SA govt says Libya future must include Gaddafi regime
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The South African government believes the way forward in the reconstruction of Libya must be an "all-inclusive process".
This should incorporate elements of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's regime, said international relations and co-operation deputy director-general Clayson Monyela.
Responding to questions at a media briefing in Pretoria after the cabinet's fortnightly meeting on Wednesday, he told journalists this view was consistent with the AU so-called road map for peace in Libya.
"Our expectation would be that with the imminent fall of the government of Colonel Gaddafi, you would then have an interim government or authority which would come into place.
"That authority would then begin... the process of the drafting of an interim constitution, leading to a referendum, leading to a free and fair democratic election.
"Then you start the process of stabilising the country, building the nation, reconciliation, unity, reconstructing the infrastructure, reviving economy.
"Our expectation as the South African government, consistent with the AU, is that this will be an all-inclusive process. So you will have elements of the NTC [National Transitional Council] as well as elements of the regime or government of Colonel Gaddafi."
Monyela also restated the government's position on its objection at the UN to the "unfreezing" of Libyan assets.
While South Africa was not opposed to releasing funds for humanitarian purposes, "what we have raised caution on is the releasing or unfreezing of assets to the rebels, or the NTC".
The UN had not recognised the NTC as the new government in Libya.
"You can't then ask a UN committee to release funds to a structure that is not recognised by the UN," Monyela said.
Further, the AU had not yet pronounced on the matter, but would do so on Friday following a meeting of its peace and security council in the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa.
Only after this pronouncement "can we talk about this unfreezing of assets", he said, adding that South Africa would "take our cue" from the AU.

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bonearch
Posted 274 days agoChickenRunner
Scribbles
Posted 274 days agoRevolutionalised-Biko
Posted 274 days agoBaas_Frik
Baas_Frik
fuzzypip
Maxi
Posted 274 days agoChickenRunner
Maxi
Sorry I did not get you. Can you explain yourself a bit more?
AWA
Not the same situation.
The civil war has been going on in Libya for months now.
Gaddafi wanted and still wants to kill them all.
At least read a nespaper or the news here once in a while.
Mbakh
Maxi
I am aware my friend and for your info, I am watching CNN and Aljazeera at least 4 hours a day. We had the similar situation in South Africa before our first democratic elections. The right-wingers were fighting against the then changes. There was a third force causing fighting’s between Inkata and ANC supporters. Many died then, but we managed to get over that by reconciling. We included everyone in our first democratic government. NP was represented by De Klerk in a form deputy president, and Inkata was represented by Buthelezi in the form of a minister.
buddi
Maxi
Don't tell me about Zuma. Zuma will be history soon. I am giving credit to those who made the transition period to be more fruitful.
EXITOS
Maxi
Like I said in my previous comments that things could have been worse than the post election violent if we sidelined other involved groups. I know there is already a civil war in Libya, but the situation can be worse if other groups are excluded from the transition government. Don't forget the transition government in Libya will not be the democratically elected one. So things can become ugly if other people are not represented.
ChickenRunner
Posted 274 days agoMercenary
Posted 274 days agoAWA
You only have to watch the news to see how angry and frustrated they are at South Africa for this crazy stance. Do the ANC think Gaddafi is ever going to be in power again?
Sure they want to protect their friend. but at least protect your own people first.
Follow the AU? The AU is a failed organization that achieved zero in Libya. Who the hell is going to listen to them. And how many months are they going to deliberate before they accept reality. The new government will teach the AU a lesson by not selling oil to them.
BraRed
We do not buy Libyan oil
Spitfire
Posted 274 days agoMaxi
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 274 days agoUnlike all other animal species, human beings live either by dominating others or are dominated by the others. The nation states are managed in the same fashion. We even came up with terms like democracy to camouflage our barbaric quest for domination. In the real world, you either side with the conqueror or you are doomed. The West cannot be used only to mop-up the disasters created by dictatorship only. They must intervene when these disasters are being created, and nip this African poverty-creation in the bud, before it is too late.
If the ruling party elite want Libyan oil to feed their already bulging tummies they must leave us out of it. We are sinking in poverty as it were.
Mbakh
Posted 274 days agoPOST94
Posted 274 days agopreviouslycrackerr
Mbakh
BraRed
@Post reality
As a sub-Saharan, you clearly do not understand N-African politics. Better keep quiet. Yo are more relevant that way.
previouslycrackerr
Posted 274 days agoCan't understand South Africa's position.
For the attention Maxi and Biko. Here we had elections first and only afterwards was a so-called government of national unity formed.
You two never fail to exhibit your ignorance.
MisterWendal
The fact they want to do the thing arsewise makes one suspect that there is another financial scandal waiting to be unearthed involving Brother Leader and the ANC's cadre deployees!
Maxi
BraRed
Gadaffi left overs does not represent a party. There was not a party under his regime.
However, they have to be included to ensure continuing governement.
But, like any revolutionary affair, that will not happen, hence the history of Africa.
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 274 days agoThe same goes with all the criminals he uses to siphon state funds.
diplobrat
Posted 274 days agoShongweni
Posted 274 days agobonearch
Vikingblood
Posted 274 days agoBaas_Frik
Posted 274 days agoFeelgood
zwelinapster
Posted 274 days agoWhat's the point of finally kicking out a dictator and then including his henchmen in the structures of a new fledgling democracy?
It would be like injecting active cancerous cells back into the body of a cANCer survivor.......
Beelzebub
Posted 274 days agoBobbyBob
Posted 274 days ago1 Tell the SA government to mind its own business
2 Ask the SA government why they supported Gadafi instead of the liberation struggle
3 Get rid of / jail all known Gadafi government sympathisers
Phaedioux
Posted 274 days agoTo think that Gaddafi was pushing to become the 'King of Africa'!
The mind boggles.
The UN, EU and USA are quite right in ignoring the AU and SA.
zwelinapster
Well it is never too late - now that he is free of his duties and available he might just consider taking up the position if the offer is still valid?!
Phaedioux
zwelinapster
Probably yes - if the cell's key is in the hands of AU? ;-)
Phaedioux
Not as unlikely as some people think.
The club members of the AU would dearly love for Gaddafi to serve his time in an African jail.
They would probably build it right next to a bank with an ATM?
Stompie_se_Paai
EXITOS
Posted 274 days agoThe one man who was warning us of the re-colonisation of Africa sees his country being colonised. What is worse is that no one has the gut to call the west to order. since when does the UN recognise rebels and military take overs? Then they are surprised when ppl from the middle east have a score to settle.
Phaedioux for you information, Gaddafi tried too hard to serve his nation.
Now all these greedy M***** F**k**s try to steel what rightfully belongs to the peple of Lybia.
NXA SIS
Phaedioux
Were the ANC at one time not considered to be rebels/terrorists? - they too were assisted by the West and the UN?
Are you also allowed to use double standards?
BobbyBob
Phaedioux
I personally don't give a hoot about what happened during apartheid anymore (those nasty people are long gone and are probably living peacefully in Europe or Australia) - I've put that behind me, but I sure as Hades care a lot about what is happening now!
You?
koolkoosta
Posted 274 days agoBobbyBob
Francis
Posted 274 days agoYes of course this must be included and in such a way that all corrupt despots and unworthy governments, African and other, get a needed lessen how the democratic world deals with criminals. Each and every theft must be criminalized, prosecuted and penalized.
In South Africa we can start from the president (country @ sayl) down via the ministers, public servant and no escape allowed from thieving tenderpreneurs.
molancheche
Posted 274 days agoYellowPeril
Posted 274 days agokadotch2000
Posted 274 days agoBeelzebub
Posted 274 days agobrencis
Posted 274 days agopreviouslycrackerr
Posted 274 days ago“Gaddafi elements” do not represent the average citizen/fighter who fought for and on the Gaddafi side. It is a term coined to allow core Gaddafi-ists to re-enter the political and military landscape through the backdoor.
Those who allege that the situation in Libya corresponds to the pre-94 situation in South Africa must really think readers of these pages are the stupid.
The Gaddafi-ists are seeing their backsides in the war. They refused to relinquish their dictatorship and instead opted for a power struggle by waging a WAR with tanks and air force planes against co-Libyans with terrible threats made in public against the people. Thanks to their actions they caused the killing and maiming of many. Even at this stage, with defeat and no gain facing them, they continue to fuel the continuance of hostilities. Gaddafi could have left, with his whole family and pals, if he wanted to. No, let’s go on and kill and maim. Let others make sacrifices so the dictator and Gaddafi-ists can have another few days of breathing handed to them with the blood and gore and burn wounds of the plebs.
And they must be accommodated at the communal decision table afterwards when they have finally been defeated with the blood and sacrifices of the ordinary Libyan? What nonsense! They can participate as ordinary Libyans in the elections to come - if they are not in the Hague in some prison cell or even in Tripoli in some prison cell.
v_3
Posted 274 days agoIt's not for the ANC to decide but for the Libyans, in free and fair elections.
Gaddafi himself has an appointment in court for human rights crimes.
JohnnyEnglish
Posted 274 days agodonorfatigued
Posted 274 days agoNo they did not do that - they simply locked them up or executed them - finish and klaar.
But this is what happens when a bunch like the Zumanoids are in power - criminals on the one hand and advocates of ludicrous human rights for criminals, such as those from Gadaffi's regime on the other!
BraRed
Posted 274 days agoIf you are aware of the facts then the rebels are not victorious by brute force but by the moral capitulation of the current regime employees. I.e. the military abandoning their posts amongst others, foreign ambassadors embracing the old flag etc.
To include perceived enemies is only logical.
The modern day revolution is not accompanied by rape and pillaging like it used to be 600 years ago, or in current .... Credit has to be given, apriori, to the original ANC government for that.
The current paradigm shift under the YL is of course proving quite the opposite of sense.
As is currently reported, some sensible ANC members are trying to support sense.
previouslycrackerr
The rebels are of course victorious by brute force. Shooting, bombing and burning each other is brute force.
That many surrender or flee does not change the essential nature of what is taking place. They may surrender or leave their posts out of fear for example, or a realization of how senseless resistance may be.
Thank the ANC for what?
We are hearing semantics or word play from the ANC. It arouses suspicion. No senior Gaddafi-ist or any other person that does not publicly denounce his/her connection with the Gaddafi-ists or their party must be allowed in the post-civil war negotiations. The same must apply to the candidates for political office. The rest (all Gaddafi-ists) can participate in the voting process at the ballot box as ORDINARY voters.
BraRed
Credit given to the ANC for the simple reason, that post revolution, retribution is a disaster.
It's clear that the rebels have won - for now.
After that (post revolution) is the challenge to keep civil society functioning, and history has taught us that.
The ANC has set the precedent. (or more relevenat post 94 society). ANC has the claim to this though.
correspondent
Posted 274 days agoBraRed
Political influence to get the deal etc etc bla bla
BEE has not done anything but create corruption.
The immediate post 94 beneficiaries got away with it - clean.
But looking at the even the YL and its cronies in Limpopo is too much to bear.
Sheryl Cwele is a rat, at least she had the creativity to go it alone, ie without the BEE ticket.
Having said all that...... it's still a very sad state of affairs.
Baas_Frik
Posted 274 days agoBraRed
Sub-Saharan Africa does not exist. N-Africa does not want to be associated,
Gadaafi himself said that n and S Nigeria should split.
Sudan split.
North Africa is happy. At no point do they support or associate with SSA.
RSA is irrelevant. They do not care.
Interrestelingly is that Libya has no debt, Gaddafi is no typical despot. OPff shore accounts are all related to Soverign wealth funds.
1st step from the EU. We will offer you a bridging loan, against your frozen assests.
Consider the fact that Gadaffi wanted oil to be traded - not in $'s but in golden Dinars.
Lot's to be said for that !
samsam
let me remind you the very same Madam Zille of yours went to IMF in order to deny Eskom loan what happened hehehehehehehe is anc still not recognised kwakwakwakwa
Again, the release of Shrien did you listen to the judgment go back and google it, it says " he believe SAfrican justice system is a transparent and the best in the world" kikikiki compared to the very same of yours designed by Pik Botha, Vorsters etc
henrypage
Posted 274 days ago