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Sat May 26 08:42:42 SAST 2012

SHOOT TO KILL: INSIDE A SOUTH AFRICAN POLICE DEATH SQUAD

STEPHAN HOFSTATTER, MZILIKAZI WA AFRIKA and ROB ROSE | 11 December, 2011 01:1693 Comments
Members of the Cato Manor organised crime unit celebrate just hours after killing five robbery suspects on the N3 highway near Camperdown on January 21 2009. The members with visible faces (not blurred) are, from left, Captain Eugene van Tonder, Captain Mossie Mostert and Captain Anton Lokum

THE Sunday Times has uncovered evidence of an alleged "hit squad" operating in KwaZulu-Natal under the ultimate command of the province's Hawks boss, Major-General Johan Booysen.

The Cato Manor organised crime unit in Durban has allegedly committed scores of assassinations, some in retaliation for suspected cop killings and others related to ongoing taxi wars.

Booysen was previously the provincial head of organised crime. Suspended police chief General Bheki Cele caused a stir among provincial top brass last year when he unexpectedly promoted Booysen to head the Hawks in KwaZulu-Natal, even though his unit had courted controversy through its disproportionately high kill rate of crime suspects.

Cele has been blamed for fuelling the killings of taxi bosses by making inflammatory remarks. According to court papers filed by taxi bosses fearing assassination at the hands of the unit, Cele reportedly said, speaking at the funeral of a slain police taxi task team investigator Superintendent Zethembe Chonco: "If SAPS members cannot arrest suspects and they feel that their lives are threatened they must take them to the nearest mortuary."

Police in KwaZulu-Natal, and the Cato Manor unit in particular, have been doing just that.

Official figures from the Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD) show in the past three years KwaZulu-Natal police killed 527 suspects during the commission of a suspected crime, an escape, an investigation or arrest - by far the highest in South Africa. The Cato Manor organised crime unit accounted for 45 deaths.

The ICD confirmed this week that six members of the Cato Manor unit had been investigated, some of them for killing suspects.

Captains Mossie Mostert, Eugene van Tonder and Anton Lokum and the late Warrant Officer Rakesh Maharaj are among those being investigated. None of them could be interviewed by the Sunday Times this week, according to police spokesman Colonel Jay Naicker.

The Sunday Times has, during an investigation that began last year, obtained testimony and copious evidence from dozens of people about the killings, including hundreds of death scene photographs and expert ballistics reports.

Three senior police officials, a pathologist and a ballistics expert who examined the images concluded that they appeared to have been executions. None would be named.

The Sunday Times has also interviewed several taxi industry bosses who claim to be assassination targets of the unit, and witnesses of at least two killings who refuse to make sworn statements to the ICD because they feared they would be killed.

Suspicious police killings linked to the unit include:

  • KwaMaphumulo taxi boss Bongani Mkhize, killed on February 3 2009 on Umgeni road after he took out an interdict in a bid to prevent police killing him;
  • KwaMaphumulo taxi boss Lindelani Buthelezi, whose wife says he was "executed by police who entered my home";
  • Sandile Kinglock and Musa Qwabe, both suspects in the murder of a Durban lawyer, killed by police on September 14 2009 in two separate incidents;
  • KwaMaphumulo taxi boss Magojela Ndimande and his bodyguard Sibusiso Tembe, killed on the N3 highway at Merrivale on September 16 2008. Witnesses say the police fabricated claims of a shoot-out;
  • Five robbery suspects shot on the N3 near Camperdown on January 21 2009, which police followed with a drink-fuelled celebration;
  • Four suspected cop killers massacred together on a mattress in a house in Inanda on April 13 2009; and
  • ATM bombing suspect Lebogang Ranyali killed on March 27 2009 in Pinetown.

In an interview with the Sunday Times this week, Booysen denied any knowledge of a hit squad. "I would strongly disagree with you. Their lives were at stake, they defended themselves in a shoot-out," he said.

He said it was unfair to brand the unit a hit squad because of its high kill rate of suspects, given the high number of violent criminals arrested by members. "Cato Manor only investigates murder, armed robbery, ATM bombing, serial killing and serious rape cases," he said. "They made 437 arrests in the last two years. The facts are, they do arrest very violent people."

Last month Colonel Navin Madhoe - an officer in the provincial procurement office charged with trying to bribe Booysen with R2-million to drop a R60-million corruption case - gave the Hawks boss a memory stick, hard drive and two CDs containing hundreds of photographs showing what appear to be gruesome killings of suspects at the hands of the police.

The images included several post-kill celebrations of members of the Cato Manor unit. In an affidavit, Madhoe says Booysen asked him to get the CDs as they contained "incriminating evidence of serious crimes in a unit under his direct command".

The Sunday Times has obtained the photographs.

Asked if he believed it was callous to hold a party after killing suspects, Booysen said there was nothing wrong with police enjoying "social events".

The Camperdown images show close-ups of three of the suspects shot in the head. "That's troubling. With head shots you want to look closely for evidence that suggests execution," said a senior pathologist. "You would expect [many] more body and limb shots."

This was confirmed by the ballistics expert and two senior police officials, who said head shots of fleeing suspects were "highly unusual".

The experts all referred to images of weapons in several of the killings, including those of Qwabe, Ranyali, Buthelezi and Mkhize, as "highly suspicious". They cited unusually clean guns in pools of blood and improbable positioning of suspects' fire-arms.

In court papers ballistics expert Kobus Steyl - a former member of the ballistics section of the SAPS forensic science laboratory with 19 years' experience - concluded in two of the cases that "the shooting of the suspects, as alleged by the police, is questionable in regard to the self-defence scenario".

Although questions were put to individual members of the Cato Manor unit about their role in the killings, police spokesman Naicker said the policemen "cannot speak" as the ICD investigations "have not been finalised [and] we don't want to compromise [them]".

In September, the South African Communist Party's provincial leader, Themba Mthembu, issued a public resolution calling on the government to launch a judicial commission of inquiry to probe the Cato Manor "death squad".

"The Cato Manor squad is the new Vlakplaas, they operate in the same style," he told the Sunday Times this week, referring to the apartheid-era unit led by Eugene de Kock that assassinated opponents of the National Party government in the 1980s.

"We strongly believe that the duty of the police is to investigate and arrest suspects. But this unit has been killing more suspects than putting them behind bars. "

Booysen said he would have "no objection to something like [an official probe] - it may prove once and for all that the picture created about Cato Manor is totally wrong".

"You weren't there. I wasn't there. Let's allow these cases to be investigated by the ICD and let the prosecuting authority deal with it in the appropriate way," he said.

- investigations@sundaytimes.co.za

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LehlohonoloGumede

Posted 167 days ago
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Criminals must be stopped by all means and taxi owners must not be allowed to control this country. I am still a supporter of Cele, he was a man for this job and law and order would prevail under him at the end.
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Francis

Posted 166 days ago
You put the decision: who, how and where to MURDER in the hands of CRIMINALS, in this case the SAPF?

From the 180.000 SAPF are + 10.000 under investigation for all types of crimes.

Sorry but I feel the same about SAPF as I feel for gangsters. I AVOID THEM AS THE PEST.
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RyanRankin

Posted 164 days ago
i am so disappointed with this article...General Boosyens team has done a magnificent job preventing many a dangerous criminal from repeating their offences, the picture and accusations obviously stir emotions but i wonder if putting up pictures of the crime scenes where innocent people were slaughtered would change the publics mind ??? i have no faith in Dept of Justice prosecuting criminals but these policeman ensure justice is done !! ..they are called SVC...thats what they investigate Serious and Violent Crimes that no other unit wants to handle, because other policeman lack the training, motivation and experience...having witnessed one of the crime scenes that were mentioned in the article its a sight that will live with me for the rest of my life and i applaud this unit for their results !!
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MartinBarrios

Posted 164 days ago
"Hit Squad" post videos on bringvictory .com
Not for sensitive viewers.
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XolaniZiqubu

Posted 160 days ago
You say taxi owners must not be allowed to control this country but this death squad infamously knwn as Kito in Durban also makes hits for taxi owners. Do not take the handfull of criminals that they have exicuted as good work. They have killed as many innocent people as they have exicuted criminals. Most people have only just realised these people exist but we have been living in fear of them for a long time. They do not care about guilt or innocence. They have killed a school boy sleeping in his room cause they thot he was someone else.

Yes i am sure a lot of people think they kill criminals but no they do not. They are killers and they need to be stopped.

I984

Posted 167 days ago
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And I suppose we have to be worried about all those cop killers, armed robberies suspects, ATM bombers, taxi mafia bosses, throat slitters and etc violent criminals ???

Sam247

Posted 166 days ago
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Cele for SA President ! Hawks captain for YL president. Id vote for that.

Gaara

Posted 166 days ago
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They are killing dangerous criminals? I see nothing wrong here. You realise how many crimes they have prevented by taking these people out? the number of police killing in this country sugeest a lack of respect for the law in this country. clearly criminals feel they can kill a cop and get away with it.that should never be the case.
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gustav.franzsen

Posted 166 days ago
Wait 'till they 'suspect' you, or someone you care about, has committed a crime. THEN you will understand what is wrong with this Apprehender+Judge+Executioner picture.
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dougodurban

Posted 166 days ago
The Police were doing this as far back as the 80's, throwing known scumbags off the Paradise Valley Road bridge. A couple of men were convicted, but at least 1 got away to the UK. But they were doing the world a big favour. If justice will not prevail, who can blame vigilantes.
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Donkey69

Posted 165 days ago
Pathetic that sunday times blured out all the other guys and identified 3 police guys. As if they are not targets all ready.
They doing one hell of a job and atleast we know that one department is doing their job. They are working with the most dangerous criminals and not with petty criminals. They deserve a hero status!
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XolaniZiqubu

Posted 160 days ago
They are not killing dangerous criminals only. they take bribes from dangerous criminals and they are responsible for a lot of deaths of innocent people. The sad thing is that they know they are above the law and you are encouraging the killing of many innocent lives.

gustav.franzsen

Posted 166 days ago
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All gangs wear some kind of uniform ... this one wears blue ...

ianm.anning

Posted 166 days ago
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Leave them alone. Let them kill off the baddies. Remove the death sentence and you get this result. Gustav, I'll take my chances

AllistairMpike

Posted 166 days ago
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I really don't know what some south Africa citizens want when police don't deal with criminals they have a problem with SAPS when they deal with criminals head on they have a damn problem this unit eliminate this dangerous criminals so that law abiding citizens can have a peaceful life in this country I don't care if they kill a criminal in my family or my self if I am a problem to society let them deal with it criminals are evil they kill and destroy they have no mercy I support this unit they are men enough than those that sit complain and criticise
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AllistairMpike

Posted 166 days ago
Criminals fear the police now not police fear criminals how many police died how may children are orphaned how many children and woman are killed and raped by this criminal what must be done for people to realize criminals are making our lives hell I wish the media can stop making an issue about this I as a citizen support this unit they are real men they need not to compare this unit with the vlakplaas unit this are real men that protect me and you from this evil criminals
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Francis

Posted 166 days ago
Allister, all over the world is the police used as the dogs, the last rescue of a failing government.
They killed on instruction of Saddam, Khadaffi, etc. and they will kill for this criminal corrupt and thieving anc government too.
As per SA constitution: The police must serve the citizens, not the criminals.

SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
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Only degenerate retards would be okay with this! Do the advocates of this have any idea the social damage which is being caused to society here? Why stop there? Why not condone all levels of police brutality. How do you people know whether the suspect killed here were in fact responsible for the acts they were accused of? Wake up fools! Trying to justify these heinous crimes as necessary to ensure our own safety from criminals is terribly stupid! We are in far greater danger from our own police forces than we are from criminals. Take a look at this:

multimedia.timeslive.co.za/videos/2011/03/catz-police-raid-shocker/

South Africans are not safe anywhere from police. They always seem to arrest the people that they have gratuitously brutalized. Look at the two sisters who were allegedly raped by police! No one tells the police to stop the brutality! Look at this terrifying statement in the article! "gave the Hawks boss a memory stick, hard drive and two CDs containing hundreds of photographs showing what appear to be gruesome killings of suspects at the hands of the police." When did this become okay or acceptable? Wake up sheep! Stop blindly swallowing the nonsense being fed to you by politicians "shoot to kill" etc. Our darn civil liberties are being eroded at an alarming rate in this country! Police forces have always attracted semi literate bullies with authoritative personalities who desire to beat senseless anyone who does not quake in their presence! The law makes it impossible to defend ones self from police brutality. Assaulting a police officer means that if a police thug intends to beat you up and you disarm him, you have "assaulted a police officer." If you are not shot on the spot by his backup, you will be convicted. We have a looming crisis in this country. Not only has it been proven that our police believe themselves to be a law unto themselves with the sheer numbers of police involved in crime, we have an ignorant society cheering them who have not a clue as to the amount of damage they are causing by condoning such criminal behavior! Wake up fools!
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amos.k

Posted 166 days ago
Beleive there are these squads in most provinces...surely there is one in Gauteng...remember the TV program 3rdDegree...the execution of the young man returning home from a party. Shot and killed because the cops thought he was a suspected hijaker driving a stolen vehicle? This youngster was driving a car fitting the discription of one driven by the crimenals.
I agree wholeheartedly with sentiments expressed by gustav.franzsen ..
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
As citizens we seriously need to do something about this. Our police appear to be the biggest offenders and most corrupt members of our society at the moment. The picture of the guys cheering and drinking next to a weeping relative in the "Cop says bribe charge is bid to shut him up over KZN hit squads" article is disgusting! Its clear that these guys consider themselves a law unto themselves. South Africa is facing a crisis! There is no way that a society can be supervised and "protected" by the likes of these guys. State backed brutality ALWAYS ends in disaster! I implore the media like the Sunday Times to keep exposing stories like these and to keep putting pressure on our politicians to intervene! My fear is having one of my children or family members mistakenly caught up in something like this and ending up as a silent statistic as per the previous example of the youth driving home.

There is simply no way that this can be acceptable in a supposed civilized society, let alone a country which claims to adhere to UN mandates and policies.
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Joja

Posted 166 days ago
The only fool here is you. Our society needs extreme action taken on criminals. They operate with impunity. F--- civil liberties! What good do they do when a criminal gets away with murder?
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Joja

Posted 166 days ago
<i>My fear is having one of my children or family members mistakenly caught up in something like this and ending up as a silent statistic as per the previous example of the youth driving home.</i>

Obviously not a silent statitsic though. They'll get life if found guilty. Why do I have to live with my house permanently locked?
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
@Joja, the only Fool is someone like you who stereotypes and categorizes all SUSPECTS as criminals! Do you know for a fact that some of the people executed were in fact CRIMINALS and not innocents? You can try as hard as you like, condoning the execution of people will NEVER fly, particularly at the hands of a corrupt police force!
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Rightway

Posted 166 days ago
SpelJammer

Stop being so naive and foolish and idealistic. We are in a war against criminals. In any war there is as the Americans say" collateral damage". Our Justice department is good on paper but useless in practice. Even a blind man can see that.
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
No Rightway, you stop being so incredibly darn naive and ignorant! Our crime levels are the perfect facade for our police and politicians to hide behind blatantly criminal and illegal activities. Again i ask, what proof do you have that all of the suspects executed are in fact criminals, just what?? Look at the photo that i have made reference to the crying relative (a women). What necessitates such cruelty? How are they any different from the people that they claim to be protecting us from? By perpetuating violence we are doing nothing in terms of reducing it. Part of why we are such a lawless society is because police under the apartheid regime were never respected as they were seen to be some of the most violent members of society. If this is the type of South Africa that you condone then we face a terribly bleak future!
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ndzab'dlayena

Posted 166 days ago
Spelljammer, V.3 and Gustav
Your sentiments will only appeal to the noisy apologetics and the untouched greenie beanies... you don't know how to be heldup in your own hard earned car, by a pistol wielding youth, I now walk with a limp, whereas I used to be a healthy marathon runner, only to have my passion cut short by a mad cellphone mugger (shot!). I have buried a number of friends, and colleagues,I am in a vicinity of more than 20 young widows..all through crime..(husbands mugged and shot dead) as I write, I have to catch 3 Taxis to get to an ATM.The problem with the report, and your comments is that you mix issues of rights with responsibilities including the rule of law.. If you were to ask me..Criminals are a menace..your pious approach to justice and everything else..ends only on placards and paper.including campaigns to highlight what you are so eloquently advocating, I should also asume you have a cushy job, and live in a boomed off suburb. Freedom, and rights have one common problem, they appeal only to the mind of the one who has never suffered the brunt of criminality..
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
No ndzab'dlayena, you're eye for an eye mentality is part of the problem we face as a society. Look no further than the Kangaroo courts employed in townships where many innocent people are savagely killed based on suspicions of crime! I am not dismissing our levels of crime or violence. What I do take exception to however is when people condone the behavior of executing suspects by people who are entrusted to protect us by a force which continuously demonstrates itself to be non partisan and corrupt. How do we know that the use of such squads will be used responsibly? Look no further than the Chanelle Henning hit, look at who was involved here. Do you have any idea how many police have been implicated in serious criminal activity in the last MONTH alone? What makes them decide who lives and who dies when their very members engage in the very practices that you seem to believe are exclusive to people outside of the police services. Where does the buck stop?
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Gaara

Posted 166 days ago
How nice it must be to have never been a victim of crime.
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MikeChandler

Posted 166 days ago
SpellJammer, you are 100% correct. Those opposing you have little idea of the difference between the rule of law and law of the jungle. The problem is that when those who shout, scream and swing from the treetops for the law of the jungle themselves become its victims it's too late. We can only hope that none of their family members is ever unjustly accused of being a dangerous criminal by these cowboys, and then gunned down in cold blood in the name of "justice".
Violent criminals are barbaric. We do not need to turn our police into barbarians to deal with them. The law needs to be enforced ... in the name of the law and not barbarity. Law is about discipline and order in the faces of those who are undisciplined and disorderly.
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Archibald.Delaware

Posted 165 days ago
I actually think death squads are quite a good idea. Just think of all the dangerous criminals they will remove from society, something which our justice system cannot do. These criminals will continue to kill many more innocent people that what these death squads will. Virtually all victims of these criminals are innocent people whereas most victims of these death squads are guilty and deserve to be put down. Whether we have these squads or not, we will lose innocent lives. However more innocent lives will be lost without them than with them.

BenNel

Posted 166 days ago
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Wild South

v_3

Posted 166 days ago
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The vigilantism in the above article and posted comments is alarming and a sign of the breakdown of law and order. This is matched by the mob violence against alleged criminals and the proliferation of gated communities, reaction units, etc for those who can afford it. Sadly, the ANC has abused the rule of law when it comes to their own crimes and punishment (Shaik, Zuma, Hlope, Selebi and the appointment of Simelane and Heath) resulting in "ordinary people" - the street - loosing faith in the police. Without the co-operation of these people, and with witnesses to frightened to come forward, policing is impossible.


The ONLY alternative to the Nats' apartheid or the ANC's kleptocracy is the Rule of Law. And yes, people we don't like, including the mobsters, taxi drivers, drug dealers, rapists, et al, DO have rights which the Law must respect. (This is not to rule out proper investigation and prosecution, which implies recruiting good cops). Otherwise we are locked into an increasingly vicious spiral.

MphoRase

Posted 166 days ago
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Wow i thought most countries had death squads

PrasadoDaniel

Posted 166 days ago
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Yellow sensation seeking newspaper, bravo.. and pictures and names wow.. spill for all to see ...walking targets now by the scum around.. , idiots this people need to do their work... with the high level of crime its natural the police will retaliate , do you post the suspected criminals heinous acts, murder rape with pictures and names ?? you don't tie the criminals hands, but gladly do so for the police..
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
Stop trying to defend the indefensible and stop talking nonsense! Executing suspects is not the mandate of police officers! This is not the way to resolve our crime situation! You do not commit a crime to solve a crime. This is the path they have chosen, now they have to deal with the consequences of acting illegally! They only have themselves to blame!
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GotterdammerungSA

Posted 166 days ago
@SpellJammer

I think you miss the point here - what if the investigative team got it wrong, what if these policemen are not guilty as alluded to? What if there is higher than normal fatality rate because these policemen are targetting hardened, violent criminals only who will not surrender easily?

If they now get killed, what would your response be then? Oops?

You are of the mistaken impression that we actually have rule of law in this country
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
Have you read the Broken Blue Line report detailing the involvement of the South African Police Force in serious and violent crime in South Africa? The article claims that several witnesses approached the paper and the journos viewed images of this. Ill say it again, if the only way that our Police are capable of combating crime is by executing people then we have a serious problem on our hands! For your sakes I pray that non of you are ever caught up in any of this. It never ceases to amaze me how people dismiss the exclusion of others liberties until their own are affected, then its an entirely different story.
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GotterdammerungSA

Posted 166 days ago
@SpellJammer

Once again you miss the point. I do not for one second doubt that many SAPS officers are involved and entrenched in criminal activity.

If you have a look at what happened to the ANC's security apparatus and where they are now, taking into consideration of what they did for a living, it is a given that the SAPS and armed forces are mired in criminal activity

My point was this, and I suspect @PrasadoDaniel's as well, is that this article is taken as honest truth and fact when it is not. What happened to the premise of innocent until proven guilty? This report placed these police officers in harms way without proving their guilt

Another article in this self-same newspaper alreay casts doubt on the veracity of the allegations and trust me, been there, done that
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 166 days ago
SpellJammer

... and publishing their names and photos has helped in which way?
You seem to be going a little bit 'Judge Dread' yourself. They haven't exactly been charged in a court of law but you seem to be advocating that these cops should be targeted for annihilation.
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
I havnt jusdged anyone. I am merely referring to the following:

"I can tell you the photographs were stolen from police," he said. "Anybody in possession of them, is in possession of stolen goods."

But he could not explain why a charge of theft or possession of stolen goods in connection with the photos was not added to Madhoe's charge sheet when he was arrested."

Rather dubious no, what about:

"Booysen said the Internal Complaints Directorate (ICD) was investigating some of the killings linked to the photographs he obtained from Madhoe.

"The photos are the subjects of investigations by the ICD and the Hawks," he said.

ICD spokesman Moses Dlamini confirmed that the directorate, which deals with complaints against the police, was investigating members of the Durban organised crime unit."

The last time I checked papers generally always publish the names of suspects in articles, unless protected by the courts etc. The sheer numbers of people condoning such behavior, never mind proving innocence etc is what I take exception to. If true, it is most certainly not okay, not by a long shot!
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 166 days ago
SpellJammer

Na doll. You have sat on your jury of one, used a single piece of reporting as evidence and found them all guilty as charged.

The guy with the photos was trying to bribe the cops. He isn't the most credible witness. Its also a bit difficult to charge someone with theft if there is no evidence that they were not GIVEN that information

I also doubt that there is a cop alive who hasn't been investigated at some stage. If a suspect suggests that they weren't allowed to go to the loo within 5 minutes of requesting it, there is an investigation. If a cop fires a gun or loses a bullet, there is an investigation

Oh, and it is against the law for the media to publish the names of suspects. They may only publish the name AFTER they have made their plea in a court of law.
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
Mommacyndi you clearly are a very selective reader, at what point did you miss all of this in which I stated

"As mentioned before, I am challenging the stance that the existence of such units is perfectly legitimate and acceptable, not the article per se. I also believe that I provided sufficient, logical and objective evidence as to just why i am so skeptical about the police having such powers."

It never occurred to me that Selebi had answered to a court prior to the media highlighting his transgressions. That certainly is news to me LOL.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 166 days ago
SpellJammer

Yes. But by that comment, you are making the assumption that such units ARE a fact and not just a media myth.

They may be a bunch of cowboys who have watched Judge Dread or High Noon once too often but this may well be a storm in a teacup. Either way, posting their pictures and names is not something that I approve of
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
"Yes. But by that comment, you are making the assumption that such units ARE a fact and not just a media myth"

No, the comment "I am challenging the stance that the existence of such units is perfectly legitimate and acceptable" refers to the condoning of suspected criminal elements being assassinated. Nothing less, nothing more.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 166 days ago
.... and that relates to the posting of the pictures and names ?

OTTOOTTO

Posted 166 days ago
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Some people have no idea how the criminal underworld of taxi bosses work _ Cele is the right man to destroy this network. I would have liked him to move on onto drug gangs after this before they put breaks on him. South Africans have too many rights like a spoilt child, when all the rights are dished-out they cant choose which one taste better. Many taxi bosses are criminals.

Bellend

Posted 166 days ago
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When the criminal Justice system and the Police have broken down to the extent that nobody trusts them or actually believes they work then vigilantism will take over.The fact that so many Readers support these actions tells you of the failures in both the Police and Courts.Thes people merely replace the criminals they have murdered and pose a danger to Society in that they may eventually become little more than a criminal gang themselves if not already there.Cele and his comments reflect the position of a totally ignorant fool unable to see the outcome thereof.All the big talk sounds great but at the end of the day the Courts sit in judgement not a few henchmen masquerading as Police.

Rightway

Posted 166 days ago
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We live in South Africa. The most violent country outside a war zone. Desperate times require desperate measures. Maybe this the African solution. However it is a short cut to good police investigations and prosecutions. So even the police do not trust the justice system. Too many crooked cops taking bribes. Too many incompetent cops. A least this group makes things happen. We are not in the civilised West. Maybe the wild west when criminals where ruling. So reserve your judgement like Confucius said "Walk in my shoes before you make judgement".
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
One does not need to live in the "civilized west" to know that what you are advocating for here is total BS! Look at what is happening in Mexico with retaliatory violence between police and gangsters. Innocent bystanders get caught in the crossfire. What we need is GOOD police work to put these guys behind bars. What sort of message are the police sending to society here? Shall we all become vigilantes and start murdering people suspected of crime? One does not need to walk in anyone's shoes to know that this is retardation of the highest order and terrible damaging to society as a whole! I have zero respect for the police in light of recent events! Absolutely zero!
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NevillePaynter

Posted 166 days ago
Yup! get out the box of matches, old tyres and plenty of petrol......

NevillePaynter

Posted 166 days ago
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One day I was picked up from Alandale Prison in Paarl by the SAPS as they wanted to search my house in Franschhoek. On the way there I was in the back of a Golf with the child lock on and two armed SAPS members in the front. All according to procedure.

But on the way back I was given only a driver. I automatically went for the back seat, but he told me I could sit in the front seat, which I did. Then on the way he turned off at Wemmershoek to go and visit somebody. He left me alone in the car for almost half an hour. I stayed put and just admired the mountains and the sense of freedom. When he finished his visit he continued the trip and dropped my off at Alandale.

Two weeks earlier I had been taken to the District Surgeon in Paarl for an examination. I was left alone in the waiting room for a while.

I realized afterwards that they wanted to to make a run for it so that they could shoot me. There's no other explanation, other tan utter negligence. Who on earth leaves a prisoner unguarded?

the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 166 days ago
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I'm wondering who thought it was a good idea to publish these pictures. Surely it is endangering the cops,

GotterdammerungSA

Posted 166 days ago
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Since my comment was not posted, and I don't know why not, simply this

The article is sensasionlist - too many loose threads and unanswered questions.

To the investigative team - I'm disappointed in you, usually your work is of a much higher standard
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ndzab'dlayena

Posted 166 days ago
GotterdammerrungSA, thank you...Sunday times have really outdone itself by receding to a level far below what we know it to be...anyway..they define themselves as antiestablishment...they would rather we be terrorised by these gun totting madmen and youth, than have these scums eliminated..or do they receive some of the spoils?
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
The article does say that the journos physically viewed the images and that several witnesses approached the paper to corroborate the story. One of the implicated even admitted to receiving a disk with the images to the paper. If that is considered sensationalist then..well ja. What I do know with certainty is that it is true the ICD will do its utmost to make this matter disappear because there are probably several squads of this nature operating on a provincial level. SA is seriously starting to scare the living sh%%% out me.
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GotterdammerungSA

Posted 166 days ago
@SpellJammer

Google: Goldstone Commission - read up about Yankee Unit

Same type of set-up - overwhelming evidence until it was examined closely and it turned out to be a molehill

That is why my stance is, let's see what more comes out and whether if any further action is taken
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
As mentioned before, I am challenging the stance that the existence of such units is perfectly legitimate and acceptable, not the article per se. I also believe that I provided sufficient, logical and objective evidence as to just why i am so skeptical about the police having such powers.

pan

Posted 166 days ago
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I refuse to comment on the actual story until more information is available. This is the usual half@ssed reporting, with a blatant agenda (sell newspapers as the interim financial results wer so bad), that completely omits half the truth.

At a moral level, I am with Gustav and spelljammer. The police can never be judge, jury, and executioner.

I do think people support this because they believe that the courts are failing us though.

pan

Posted 166 days ago
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Bellend
Posted 1 hours ago
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When the criminal Justice system and the Police have broken down to the extent that nobody trusts them or actually believes they work then vigilantism will take over.

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This is the crux of the matter right now. The rise in street justice is alarming. So much so that no one in diepsloot even reports crime anymore, they just sort it out themselves, and that is most worrisome. That cops MIGHT believe they need to operate at this level is truly frightening.

Siinudeity

Posted 166 days ago
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THIS. IS. BULLLLSH!T!!!

HOW F***ED UP IS YOUR COUNTRY WHEN YOU HAVE POLICE ASSASINS RUNNING AROUND KILLING CRIMINALS?!
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 166 days ago
We have always had them. Just now they are not legal.
The more things change, the more they stay exactly the same
i.e. Same sh!t, different day.
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Siinudeity

Posted 166 days ago
Hey MommaC. Yeah, I would have expected something like this during apartheid. Ironic how school inspectors were let go, and training colleges, because they were seen as vestigates of apartheid...

But deathsquads remained?!
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 166 days ago
:) yea, but they re-named them. In truly radical, revolutionary style
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Siinudeity

Posted 166 days ago
Dunno wether to laugh or cry.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 166 days ago
Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and you cry alone

.... it also doesn't do any damn good to cry as you will be dehydrated within a week if you cry over it all

the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 166 days ago
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"KwaZulu-Natal police killed 527 suspects during the commission of a suspected crime, an escape, an investigation or arrest - by far the highest in South Africa. The Cato Manor organised crime unit accounted for 45 deaths"

.... pretty damn incompetent 'death squad'.
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GotterdammerungSA

Posted 166 days ago
Considering that their "target" audience is the extremely violent they don't really "hit" the spot
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 166 days ago
Yip.
Frank (was it?) who, a couple years ago, single handedly off-ed half of the Mpumalanga comrades when they were having their political differences had a better strike rate.
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bcb

Posted 166 days ago
Need we say more. Do we actually have experts giving their opinion here or some half twits, just like the ''suspected'' criminals are innocent till proven guilty, shouldnt we award the same rights to these fine officers?
Oh sorry, law abiding citizens dont have any rights only criminals do!
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GotterdammerungSA

Posted 166 days ago
@bcb

Who exactly are you to question my knowledge on the subject? And to answer your insinuation - yes I have first hand knowledge of this type of witch-hunt. It almost ruined my life because the liberals in society did not wait for evidence, they immediately assumed

AnotherTaxPayer

Posted 166 days ago
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We need a squad of those guys to "investigate" farm murders in SA. Oh and investigate people who refuse to sing the "shoot the boer" song...Some criminals will never stop commiting crime until they are dead. Some criminals can't be rehabilitated by any jail. That's why SA had the death penalty to legally stop them from murdering our citizens.
Nowadays we need mob style hit squads to perform these tasks as government is too slack to take control of the levels of crime in SA.

omni

Posted 166 days ago
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This is the way the 'real' world works, hidden from millions & millions of us plebs. From lowly street gangsters to high profile business and governments, this is it, bloody and violent. But hidden behind an illusion.

POST94

Posted 166 days ago
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The picture tells a story. One wonders how many gun shots were fired in the air during this party. Some of them were probably on call and imagine how they re-acted. More work for the ICD.

ooooooooo

Posted 166 days ago
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International research findings (Sherman, 1998) points out that a "growing body of research suggests that police legitimacy prevents crime." Police legitimacy becomes established when the public perceive the police to be responsive to their needs, when they see offenders treated respectfully, and when police engage in 'problem orientated policing.' The converse is also true, that when the police are unresponsive, disrespectful or engaged in activities for their own benefit, they are actually contributing to the crime problem. They fail to be a deterrent and may provoke rebellion or vigilantism. Thus, ensuring proper respect for civilians would be a useful objective for the Police. Street policing and interaction with the public that is conducted in a polite manner builds police legitimacy amongst the public.
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
Great post Baas Frik. Such a pity that so many simply do not appreciate this or see the dangers in condoning such inexcusable behavior. At the end of the day, they are curtailing their own liberties and bastardizing the very concept of human rights ( a concept they will throw in your face the minute their rights are impacted) by condoning such behavior.

DaveRankin

Posted 166 days ago
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Justice is supposed to be dispensed by a duly constituted impartial court operating under a number of checks and balances. Whether or not this is working in South Africa is a different discussion.

Nowhere in (event the best) justice system is the media intended to be anything other than the reporters. Reporters are not judges, not advocates, not attorneys, not anybody properly appointed to ensure that justice is properly dispensed.

Yet the media has donned the mantle of prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. There are no rules of evidence, no presumption of innocence, no reasonable doubt. Then they have the gall to point fingers at the cops. Pot, kettle, black - make a sentence.

If there is a hit squad, that is what the ICD is for. Use it. If not: journalists have a number of rules to follow before printing a story. This takes time. A policeman in a situation where deadly force may / may not be justified has to make that decision in split seconds and with the adrenaline pumping.

This may come as a surprise to Sunday Times, but crime is not an acceptable career option. Not at any time. Not under any circumstances. SAPS is understaffed, underequipped and underpaid. Within these limits they are expected to maintain law and order. And if they "party" after a violent episode, there are thousands of former soldiers and polimen around that will tell you that you need to let off steam afterwards. It might not be pretty, but it's real life.

bluewhite1

Posted 166 days ago
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cato manor you're heros in the sight of many south africans and know that you have support. You guys are in the front lines makeing this country safer for us to live in. There are way too many bleeding hearts in this country that sit on the sidelines and judge. You guys carry on the good work carry on fighting the good fight and everytime you look at a criminal in the eyes before executing him know that thousands of "real south africans" will celebrate with you.

p.s Theys should sell cato manor figurines at toys are us!!!
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
To redneck degenerates this may be the truth yes, to those of us with a modicum of intelligence, the police allegedly engaging in these activities are no worse than the criminals that they claim to be protecting us from.
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GotterdammerungSA

Posted 166 days ago
Redneck degenerates??? So if somebody does not agree with your point of view they must be rednecks? "modicum of intelligence"? By your posts you seem to be a very judgemental personality that does not allow for different viewpoints who has an overstated opinion of himself. You remind me of some commentators from about a year ago that got some serious bloodied noses

Don't you have a bunny somewhere that needs hugging?
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SpellJammer

Posted 166 days ago
No no GotterdammerungSA, get it right, you lads are are the "broederbond" who have mind farked yourselves into the belief that violence and the suppression of civil liberties is the answer to everything, not me. Not judgmental at all. This idiocy needs to be treated with the contempt that it deserves! Not only did this thinking create a stuff up of mega proportions in the previous regime, you now want to drag it into this one under the bastardization of "everyone approves". We dont! When will you learn that attempting to socialise people like animals is the furthest thing from civilization and only alienates people and causes more harm than good!

Bobojanmyliefde

Posted 166 days ago
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This is a corruption and adulteration of the justice system. Who decides who is guilty or not?, is it not the courts through trial and examination? They are acting exactly like the America president Obama when he proudly announced 'we have killed Bin Laden', when was he tried and found guilty? They are establishing a crazy precedence for any mad man in society to follow. Crazy justice. Courts are here to protect us from mob justice.

ArnoldKunene

Posted 166 days ago
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The South african justice system protects crimanals more than any one else giving them previleleges like seriously how many south african house holds can afford 3 square meals a days and university education? Crimanals deserves what evers coming to them some of us work hard to earn a living while scumbag do everything thats coming to them

CrackerCraker

Posted 166 days ago
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Wait a second.

If you as a criminal or anybody else have a suspicion that someone outside the official judicial system is coming for you then you surely have the right to take extra-judicial measures to defend yourself. Let's be careful here with our concepts and the consequences. You will have a rock solid defense if prosecuted for killing a policeman under such circumstances. All this is leading to a situation that we do not want. But so we continue to pay the penalties for the ANC government's failures.

NOBODY wants the situation we find ourselves in.

What caused the situation. Most of us think it is the procedural failure of the legal system. I will think very carefully for example before I will tell the police that I saw a crime. Why not? Why waste the days and effort while cases are postponed because of police inefficiency and lawyers / accused taking advantage of the slack rules regarding representation, etc. Just deciding out of the blue that you are not happy with your lawyer and there you get another postponement. Wear the witnesses down and hope they become unavailable. And the lawyers. Playing the same game. Why must cases always be postponed to accommodate them?

Bugger (f.ck) the useless application of the legal system by the equally useless / incompetent so-called incumbents.
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Francis

Posted 166 days ago
CrackerCraker,
May I assimilate all the above to: we live under a: FAILED GOVERNMENT?

Francis

Posted 166 days ago
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With all the info available, I must say: YES. This ANC government has reached the limits of acceptability and must be rejected.
Please help to change and let us insist to hold a REFERENDUM for an earlier election.

ill23

Posted 165 days ago
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if you are doing something wrong, there should be some recourse? there is no talk in this article of innocence?

We sleep calmly in our warm beds, while the men who care about society actively patrol the wall. With out these men our beds dont appear so warm, without these men we would have to face the realities of the men they "handle". The men that patrol for a mere pittance, have to endure the horrors daily, maybe this makes them more effective. When you do not do your job for money, you must do it for something, and that is what all the idiots slamming this dont get, these men do this for "you".

To the people that are afraid of our police? Why? What have you done?

This makes the point that without the men that stand on the wall with guns between the law abiding and the ones who have no law, we are all upcoming victims. For this protection and the role that these individuals play in the welfare of myself and my family, I do not want to know what they do on the wall, I just want them to prevail.

To the newspapers and sensationalists, and the argumentative griefers possibly a move to europe would be in order, there you can hide behind health and safety, and public rights of criminals. Look at the london riots, and how long they took to get under control.

For me I applaud you guys that stand on the wall, I wish I could pay you more. I wish people would stop hating you, and see the value that has been brought and the lives saved by your actions.

Native-to-Africa

Posted 165 days ago
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The double standards in SA never stop, so killing a suspected person is regarded as ok if your a SAPS member. I find it very disturbing to see the SAPS act in such manner ie if you partake in such things you shouldnt be a SAPS member, for you are abusing your power, I for one would love to see these guys getting trialed and convicted and sent to jail with their suspected fugatives.......Ja what a bitter taste it leaves to see that the Valplas has a new face and agenda plus supported by ANC government

johnsmith

Posted 165 days ago
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For the enlightened read the adjacent article in the printed version of the Sunday Times. It will become clear that this is a attempt to discredit Booysen, because he is investigating certain individuals for corruption. Unfortunately the three investigative reporters have been hoodwinked into becoming the advocates for Panday and Madhoe who are being investigated.

This supposed Death/hit Squad does not hide/dispose of the Bodies as is common practice of hit squads the world over. All the shootings that have occurred have been reported and investigated by the relevant authorities in order to maintain a clear and transparent professionalism by the SAPS

MosheAmoils

Posted 165 days ago
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WELL DONE to these guys!!! we should have squads like these in every province and every city in South Africa!!!
Criminals out there need to feel the same fear as they have oppress onto all us innocent people trying to live a peaceful and safe life in SA!!
The goverment has failed us, atleast this death squad give us hope that there is some justice being served out there!!!!
Cele and Booysen I raise my glass and salute you all!!!!

bobskibuilder

Posted 165 days ago
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Well at least they've got the right name - "Organized crime". Seriously though, is this really a police unit, or a South African Village People reunion with guns? They look very close...

kitshoff

Posted 163 days ago
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This article was a last attempt from Panday and Mahdeo to get the spotlight off themselves and to try and discredit Genl Booysen because everything else that they have tried to get off their case had failed! One wonders if the reporters excepted some kind of bribe to write such a one sided story!
If anything ever had to happen to me or my family, I would want this unit to investigate the case as they seem not to be influenced by politics or bad press but just do good Police work!!
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!

BarryPotgieter

Posted 161 days ago
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WELL DONE Guys. KEEP UP the GREAT work you are doing under very serious conditions and DANGERS to yourself and your Families. Your life is hanging on a string with every breath you take as the Criminals and crime Bosses surely have put you guys and your Families on there hit list. a Great pity that you have identified yourselves through the Media as you now have endangered your Families as well.

technotronic

Posted 95 days ago
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youtube.com/watch?v=lHXVIC7oPW4&context=C358bec4ADOEgsToPDskIcMBtdAA2CJuMey6mqamTO
expain this video of "GREAT work you are doing under very serious conditions and DANGERS to yourself and your Families." inside cato manor ....torturing the suspect Barry