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Sat May 26 09:12:46 SAST 2012

It's my call, says Protector

CHANDRÉ PRINCE | 03 February, 2012 00:51
Public protector Thuli Madonsela. File photo.
Image by: SHELLEY CHRISTIANS

Public Protector Thuli Madonsela has accepted full responsibility after her 23-year-old son crashed her luxury state-owned vehicle into a wall early on Wednesday morning.

Apart from offering to compensate the owners of the property whose wall was damaged when her son, Wantu, crashed into it, Madonsela said she would also subject herself to internal processes, even if punitive measures were to be imposed.

"I will submit myself to internal processes regarding the use of state vehicles in line with my terms and conditions of my employment.

"I have already made contact with the owners of the affected property and agreed to compensate them for the damage," Madonsela said, adding that she expected the law to take its course.

Madonsela was not a passenger at the time of the accident.

Wantu did not sustain any injuries and reported the accident at the Garsfontein police station.

Yesterday, Wantu told a radio station that he crashed the car while swerving to avoid a dog.

According to regulations, the only time anyone else may drive a state-owned car is when the person authorised to drive it is a passenger.

Wantu claimed he did not have his mother's permission to drive the car at the time.

"I took my mother's car and her private petrol card. I bumped into one of my friends, who needed a lift home. On my way back, I avoided a dog on the road and swerved into a wall," he told Eye Witness News.

Wantu said he immediately informed Madonsela's VIP protection and security detail.

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vatiekakie

Posted 113 days ago
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I don't think this was the first time Madonsela's son was driving her government car, we found out because of the accident. she should know better.
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Mkhambathi

Posted 113 days ago
certainly, but what I like is the response from her rather being hard headed and arrogant
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CowTeng

Posted 112 days ago
DONT DUMB DOWN NOW WILL YOU. She doesnt have eyes in the back to watch what her kids are doing all the time. KIDS BEING KIDS! How do you know it wasnt the fisrt time? Are you the father now cause we know the mother didnt know or give permission and she wouldnt have.
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horse1#

Posted 112 days ago
Even so, she is taking full responsibility for this. Unlike others in government, who will do everything in their powers to prove the contrary.

BornintheRSA

Posted 113 days ago
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Well, this sort of thing happens in the best of families every other day. Just happens to be that this family is high-profile. It will probably not happen again in this particular family. Let the mother pay for damages and let's get on with real issues.
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RedCoat

Posted 113 days ago
As long as she deals with it the way any other normal family would have to. ie, lawy a criminal charge against her son so the insurance will pay out, or carry the full costs of all repairs to both the property and the vehicle. This is the only way she will save face.

An do do think she has to save faceconsidering who paid for the vehicle and covers the insurance......
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RedCoat

Posted 113 days ago
Horrible typing this morning, my apologies.
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 113 days ago
As you admit, it "happens in the best of families every other day". But it remains corruption when done onto the tax payer, particularly a myopic one. It is worse when done by the very person who is supposed to "protect" him from the state corruption.

Corruption is corruption, whether it is stealing a pen, or stealing a vehicle for personal use. The taxpayer pays for those vehicles to serve them, and not for ill-disciplined kids of corrupt administration to drive around having fun, whilst bullying our own poor ones.
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buddi

Posted 112 days ago
1. He reported it to the police immediately.
2. How is this corruption?
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InExile

Posted 112 days ago
The first part of this sort of thing does happen in most families. The second part, which is how this family dealt with it, Yes that only happens in the best of families.
A 23 year old, presumably licensed driver, did not have his mothers permission to drive the car: A family misdemeanor. As for their handling of the matter after the accident both mother and son get close to ten out of ten. I could do business with people who front up that honestly in those circumstances. Taxpayers have thousands more things to worry about before fretting over this one.

vatiekakie

Posted 113 days ago
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it's her work car paid for by us the tax payer, it shouldn't be used by the rest of her family. it is the same as stealing office supplies for your children. fraud I say.
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Mkhambathi

Posted 113 days ago
I'm sure she's aware of that, even the family members are aware hence the response that she takes full responsibility and the law must take its course, what more would you ask for?
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CowTeng

Posted 112 days ago
DONT DUMB DOWN NOW..."I took my mother's car and her private petrol card. I bumped into one of my friends, who needed a lift home. On my way back, I avoided a dog on the road and swerved into a wall," he told Eye Witness News. PLEASE!!!

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buddi

Posted 112 days ago
@vatiekakie
You are so high and mighty. Have your children never done anything to disappoint you? Fair - he shouldn't have taken the car, but he did and it turned out wrong. Its the way it is being handled that is relevant here.
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swona1

Posted 112 days ago
i like the way she's taking charge and responsibility to the situation, she is willing to pay, not with tax money but money she works hard for, we overlook this kind of things always in our lifes, and i was one of those who made noise about this, but now, I think I must give her a break. she's wrong, and she's learnt from this, I move on!

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 113 days ago
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Madonsela's real character is coming off the woodwork. The vainglory could not be sustained because it is built on a society hankering after something even with the remotest indication of standing up to corruption. The corrupt state enjoyed this pretension as it was the only "success" it could brandish to the myopic public.

Not very long the skeletons of Waweth will resurface again, and once the color of the stain stick it stays for keeps. Defenceless individuals are yearning for protection whilst she is using their tax money to lend credence to her corrupt political masters.

Interestingly, the same media bent on raising her flag is mum about the journalists who faced the raw state's violence, and even imminent death, by informing the public about the real facts.
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CowTeng

Posted 112 days ago
DONT DUMB DOWN NOW WILL YOU. She doesnt have eyes in the back to watch what her kids are doing all the time. KIDS BEING KIDS! Oh! On the othat long winded issue, what society? The one in Australia. the last time I checked she is living by our values and Constitution which is an expectation of/from you as well. Its called good CITIZENRY!
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buddi

Posted 112 days ago
@m1si2zi3nzo4
I ask again - how is this corruption?
Meaning of corrupt - willing to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
I could name a whole lot of government officials who subscribe to the above.

ooooooooo

Posted 113 days ago
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Almost every boy one time or another steals his parents car. It is naughty but it is nice. I know I did and I also pranged it. Took me a while before I could sit properly though. My dad gave me a good hiding and paid the damages.
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 113 days ago
"His parents' car". not a taxpayer's car. Come on, Thuli, give the whole d$5* show off. It's not the first, nor the last time you have abused the tax payer's money. People must get out of their comfort zone. This is no different from what Cele, Nkabinde and Shiceka did. If the "public protector" is also involved in this practice, who will protect the public from her?

Society is in a mess, because it thinks in pockets; "If I am opposed to corruption, and I like Madonsela, therefore Madonsela is opposed to corruption. This basing of ethics on personalities has done so much harm to society. We are bleeding to death because we tend to shoot ourselves on the foot. For our own sake, we should condone it no further.

The next thing the already burdened taxpayer will get is a half-hearted "apology", and never his hard-earned money back.
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buddi

Posted 112 days ago
Compared to the billions that other officials are squandering through looting and fraud and mismanagement this is really peanuts.
While that doesn't make it right, I don't think we can totally blame Madonsela for this - I'm sure her son is aware that he isn't supposed to drive her car, but did it anyway. At least he has a licence! There are many under aged, unlicenced children that have done far worse. He damaged a wall, while some of them have injured other drivers.

SuiGeneris

Posted 113 days ago
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''''''''''I have already made contact with the owners of the affected property and agreed to compensate them for the damage'''''''''

Trying to sound as if she will stand good for the damage out of her own pocket...... Well, you have no other option as to pay for all the damage as the insurance will not pay out in the case where the vehicle was used by an unauthorised person.
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 113 days ago
How about resigning? I did it when the state compelled me to enforce a policy in violation of the constitution. And she failed to protect me, changing excuses after excuses.

This "contact with the owners" sounds like the old practice of leaning on people, to hide the truth from coming into the public. Why do we only hear about it when it is out in the open.

Scribbles

Posted 113 days ago
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Before I comment, I want to know one thing; is Madonsela paying for the damage or the taxpayer?
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SuiGeneris

Posted 113 days ago
Indirectly, even if she pays out of her own pocket, you as taxpayer who pays her salary, is the one paying for the damage !
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Scribbles

Posted 113 days ago
Ha, it sounds as if you want her to hang either way but there's a big difference between taking a cut out of her own salary, which will "directly" affect her, and having the taxpayer foot the bill. In the latter's case, life goes on as usual and she feels absolutely nothing.
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 113 days ago
Scribbles, South Africans are so immune to corruption, that all you need is to shout "anti-corruption", whilst your hand is deep in it. People have been wondering why Min Radebe addressed the yet another of the umpteenth anti-corruption" gathering. They refused to connect Thuli to him, just because he was behind Simelane's appointment, and advocated strongly for Hlope's re-appointment.

Play politics, much as you may, but remember that politics produces nothing, but misery. It is the bent back that produces value, for all of us, including the politicians, to enjoy life. It is granny's pension money, who can no longer walk, that keeps the likes of Thuli in the pound seat.
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OTTOOTTO

Posted 113 days ago
There is an old saying; 'if it is too good to be true than it probably isn't'. She will definitely make good on her promise from her own salary which she has honestly earned, but she is not the culprit here - Wantu will escape and go on to do the worse.
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Scribbles

Posted 112 days ago
M1si2zi3nzo4, I apologize M1si but I'd be lying if I said the first paragraph of your comment didn't go right over my head. I take it you were implying that there's a seedy link between Radebe and Thuli but not much more. Could you elaborate on the link?

OTTOOTTO, Escape? I can honestly say that what he did is not an offence subject to jail time. I know because I'm familiar with several people (one an actual friend while the other an employee) who have done the same; literally driving a car through a wall. In the end, the worst has always been a fine as well as the payment for damages. The company had to pay for the employee, despite having bugger-all to do with the incident. I can vouch for the fact that neither the employee or my friend are deviants, they're both actually good people who just slipped up. That said, I feel that what we should be concentrating on here is the reaction as opposed to the possible malevolence of Madonsela's son.

Still disappointed but all I want to see now is the letter of the law followed with the assurance that every penny comes from Madonsela's own pocket. I doubt it will which will inevitably make the Public Protector a self-righteous hypocrite in my eyes but I'm willing to wait and see before making such an accusation.
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OTTOOTTO

Posted 112 days ago
@Scribbles. Argument granted. My gripe goes deeper than just this headline. Every household has rascals of less or more magnitude but the Madonsela escapism escapes me because of the values in my house. I have four girls over 20 years and a son 18. I am no longer responsible for their actions_this is a red line in my house. Each one faces full consequences of their actions. I have finished all my parental duties as commanded - teach them so that they may know the right way to go. I regard 18 as the ledge from whence they go and start the go tuition classes at age 8, 10 years ahead. Not all of them are angels, one married and three in university, son is 1st team captain doing grade 12. I have not had a single visit to a police station nor any other parent knocking at my door because of my children. I am not responsible for my children when they reach their adult age to vote. This is where I have a problem with the Madonsela rascal (the act of stealing mom's car and petrol card, it also doesn't sound like an isolated incident, he must have done it before and mummy approves - only this time he bungled and that is the only reason we hearing about it) the escapism and other parents who covers up the ills of their children to rot the rest of society. No wonder then that they turn-up later in numbers as corrupt government officials or ANC members.

OTTOOTTO

Posted 113 days ago
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Alice in Wonderland is in fact Alice. Funny how these things come back to bite your behind, like Tutu and son, Trevor. Sounds like most households have these renegade children - shaming their righteous parents. It doesn't make sense to fight corruption in the world while it festers in your own house. Its worse when parents are covering up the rot because Wantu's next corrupt stunt will be definitely be more than stealing super mommy's government car and petrol card. Wouldn't be surprised if he is not smoking weed already, drugs or a Malema foundation style tenderpreneur sleek. Gee, love my day job.
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Scribbles

Posted 113 days ago
Er, suddenly her son is a druggy and her house is festering with corruption? Overdramatic much? If this is what you think after such a minor stint then I can only shudder to think how you perceive Zuma, Mandela, Cwele, etc. You must absolutely despise them, right?
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OTTOOTTO

Posted 112 days ago
My point exactly, I mean look at what Khulu-obese Zuma gets away with more corrupt than anything you can imagine and not paying miners for years whilst parading the ill gotten wealth - sickening to the gut!
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SuiGeneris

Posted 112 days ago
Scribble

Haven't we all had enough of the abuse by people working for government ?

Abuse of government funds, corruption, government and police vehicles used for private purposes, flying the president in his private jet, shadowed by two other planes.....and, and, and !!!!!!
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Scribbles

Posted 112 days ago
OTTOOTTO, glad to hear we agree. Still think you're being a little dramatic with the doom-ridden predictions however. :P

SuiGeneris, I can't even being to describe the weight I feel in my chest every time I see the word "corruption." I certainly have had enough but it hardly matters, there's nothing we can do but debate on it. I'm simply trying to be objective on events while I wait to see which side the scale will inevitably tip.

uShwi-nent'encane

Posted 112 days ago
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God damn it Ms Madonsela, God damn it! With you, no amount of apology or cooperation could be enough. Your position demands a foresight to distinguish between wrong and right. And family members should be cognisant of your responsibility and what is expected of them to help you deliver on your mandate. I’m so angry and disappointed at you right now. Having said this, I remain a supporter of your office and appreciate your efforts. However, let this be a lesson to last you your whole career at the helm of the Public Protector’s Office. My confidence in you is not a blank cheque.

Razzo

Posted 112 days ago
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The day Thuli gets sympathy from me is the day she runs after the crooks that stole and sold off our gold, diamonds and platinum and made trillions which they hid via offshore accounts and opened up banks and other companies in SA. Some of these monies were also borrowed as "apartheid loans" from IMF and World Bank is being paid for by you and I SA's taxpayers......Sies!!!! Thuli then says she doesnt have the money to investigate all these and the media cowers in covering this story AS MUCH AS IT SHOULD but instead will highlight all other "forms" of corruption in our country.......All Corruption is bad: be it ANC, DA or Apartheid era. People must fry for it but let us be balanced and not have a vendetta against one section!!!

We see you Thuli, we see you!!! Now ofcourse, we see you cant even protect us from your thieving son. 2 wrongs dont make a right.....Just because you all stole your fathers vehicles at some point in your lives, doesnt make it right for this 23 year old twit to do the same. Imagine if you or this moegoe had killed someone..........and then what??!!

I applaud the work Madonsela had done, but I loath the fact that she has let the biggest scum off the hook with our trillions. Deal with them too, and then you will get my full respect coz right now it just seems as though you are only chasing after one section of people and the publicity is causing you to forget about the other wrong do-ers.

buddi

Posted 112 days ago
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By reading some of the above comments it is obvious that our public protector is not liked by all.
I, however, differ. Taking this whole incident, and ONLY the incident of her son taking her car, I think she is handeling it excellently! And that after all is what counts.
How many of you have been told regularly what is wrong and right, but still break the rules?
How many of you/us have children who, no matter how much you teach them right from wrong, still take a chance? I would probably have to say - all of you/us.
This is a minor incident compared to what some politician's children are doing.
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bis-k'hallawaya

Posted 112 days ago
....Of course she is not liked by all.......I would say the ANC satraps are regretting she was put in charge, as she is uncovering all the putrefaction brewing under the carpet with cadre deals, cadres appointments and so on.....

..It is logical that all the sanctimonious hypocrites now are shrieking about corruption on this incident. Same would have happened if she had dropped a piece on paper on the street and she could be accused of littering..............
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uShwi-nent'encane

Posted 112 days ago
@buddi

I agree with you to a point, furthermore, I’m reluctant to make any comparative analysis on this case because that’s where the problem is. Every public office bearer use a similar “false” defence: focusing on the significance of an individual case in relation to those of their counterparts/colleagues. Such an approach, however, deprives us of an opportunity to identify preventative measures going forward. If her family members are not allowed to drive her working vehicle, she needs to ensure that it happens as stipulated. I expect nothing less from her as I would of any other person, provided it’s within the terms of employment.

I also don’t think her response was adequate. Here we are talking of an adult male, who should be taking full responsibility and facing the might of the law (this is basically theft). And in that regard I expect her son to also present himself to a nearby police station. Who must ensure that this happens on our behalf, as a public and taxpayers? It’s the Public Protector.

bis-k'hallawaya

Posted 112 days ago
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........How come all the supporters of the ANC and Juju and extras have become all of a sudden 'defenders of truth and honesty???????'......HA HA HA HA HA.......

At least Madonsela has not recurred to the typical excuses/justifications so loved by ANC hypocrites: "there is a racist conspiracy against her and her family"...."the apartheid agents are plotting against her".........HA HA HA HA HA........

vatiekakie

Posted 112 days ago
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doesn't Madonsela have a luxury car of her own that her son could have stolen? if she doesn't, then she should buy one pronto!

horse1#

Posted 112 days ago
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Come on guyz and girlz. Stop speculating and commenting on issues if you don't know the facts. Resigning, m1si? This matter is not so damning that she should resign. I admire her for doing the right thing - and that is to take responsibility.

staren

Posted 112 days ago
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Love the fact at least someone in the public office is prepared to take responsibility for their mistake/actions - regardless of the fact that her son shouldn't have been in possession of the car, this woman is a breath of fresh air from the rotting stench that we find ourselves surrounded by....

vatiekakie

Posted 112 days ago
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as a good parent, she should have made sure the car keys are not easily accessible to her delinquent son. she should have locked them up somewhere or left them with her bodyguards.

e19870731

Posted 112 days ago
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It's very unfortunate that Mandosela's reputation is tarnished by her mischievious son, ultimately this is an offence as the car could not be driven without madonsela's passengership, so she should face the music accordingly

Selftaught

Posted 112 days ago
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Mkhambathi
Posted 3 hours ago
"certainly, but what I like is the response from her rather being hard headed and arrogant"

It's not as if she had a choice since she has made so many enemies out there (powers that be). Her son offered an interview to her favourite radio station, her mother's mouth piece, voice of reason and her mentor radio presenters.
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Quickie

Posted 112 days ago
which radio station?
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Selftaught

Posted 112 days ago
Talk radio 702

vatiekakie

Posted 112 days ago
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the whole thing about her son taking the car without her permission is just a story, just like many people lie to insurance companies. I am sure the boy has been driving this car for some time with her knowledge and that of her bodyguards. how come nobody saw him 'steal' the car? and yet when he returned he was able to "report it to the bodyguards" who had miraculously appeared. the boy was doing what he does all the time, only this time he had an accident.

vatiekakie

Posted 112 days ago
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and oh, when you see a dog, you hit your breaks, you don't swerve while maintaining the same speed. maybe the boy had been drinking 'tea' just like judge Motata.
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OTTOOTTO

Posted 112 days ago
Your thread of insight is bang on the mark. The naughty boy has been using her car all along, she knew about it and probably been sending him on errands, her vip protection team knew about it, she approved it until the crash. If she ever told the police and her government bosses that she authorized it she would slide into the piggy trough so quickly nobody would recognize her let alone keep her job. Like a good agent she knows all the rules of dipping your hands in the till and getting away with it. She is a bright advocate, media savvy and not a dumb arrogant like Cele. That's why she's come out so quickly onto the podium.

Quickie

Posted 112 days ago
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Madonsela is a responsible citzen. Her demeanor is very admirable, unlike other politicians we know. I mean both ANC and DA - because as far as I am concerned DA politicains are not morally superior to those of the ANC. They are former NATS and CPs so they cannot be 'born-again' all of a sudden.
Its all rotten.

ooooooooo

Posted 112 days ago
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When I read the comments on this report it is clear to me that South Africa has a long way to go as a people. We are looking at every opportunity to crucify one another even the good people.
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Sabz

Posted 112 days ago
So true hey!
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No2DA

Posted 112 days ago
even= ever.

By the way I am black/ African, hence my name - No to DA.
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No2DA

Posted 112 days ago
eish, I meant I am NOW black.... hence my name.
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ooooooooo

Posted 112 days ago
Talk about an identity crisis?? Eishh!!!

vatiekakie

Posted 112 days ago
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there are no holy cows here!

fuzzypip

Posted 112 days ago
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The son should be prosecuted and the law must take it's course although Madonsela has to be applauded for her honesty and integrity in dealing with this matter.It must surely be an embarresment to her but she held her head high and did the right thing even though it may be a black mark on her career.The country is crying out for people of her caliber.

Quickie

Posted 112 days ago
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People in this forum have no life. How on earth do you get preoccupied by a story of someone' son who happen to hit a wall with his mommy's car?

Are you people ever productive at work? You say people are lazy, but what about you. Talk of hypocricy
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l984

Posted 112 days ago
This incident is a golden opportunity for some much awaited and needed smear campaigning and tarnishing the image of the Public Protector as she seems to have ruffled a few feathers...

On another note - this is a forum and in all likelihood you will find here people (most of them individuals in their private capacity - except for the paid stooges and plants) posting comments. Just like in restaurants you will find people eating, in banks - banking, in malls - shopping etc.
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CowTeng

Posted 112 days ago
OUCH LOOK AT THE MIRROR BUDDY!

bis-k'hallawaya

Posted 112 days ago
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The Daily maverick publishes this column with some paragraphs the usual pro ANC sanctimonious hbypocritoons prefer to ignore. To them this is dedicated:

""""Mistakes and bad judgement calls happen. BUT AS JUDGE NKOLA MOTATA, ROBERT MCBRIDE, AND JACKSON MTHEMBU HAVE SHOWN US, IT IS WHAT COMES NEXT THAT REALLY COUNTS. With more than enough enemies out to get her, Public Protector Thuli Madonsela has shown that, in the face of calamity, she can be a model of accountability""""

""Robert McBride was driving home from a Christmas party when he rolled his state vehicle while drunk. Instead of taking the high road and coming clean, he staged a cover up with fellow metro officers. It is this action that shamed McBride and led to a charge of defeating the ends of justice, in addition to a drunk driving charge. McBride was convicted on both charges." (Legal expenses paid by the tax-payer of course)

"""".....A year later, Judge Nkola Motata was on his way home from drinking wine with a friend when he crashed his Jaguar into the wall of a house in Johannesburg. Despite being a judge, Motata didn’t do the honourable thing. Instead Motata drunkenly appealed to bystanders to help him get off the hook: "All of you, let me tell you, my brothers and sisters – these people should not catch us. Let us live, we are the majority and this is our land. It is not the land of the boers, even if they have big bodies. South Africa is ours, we rule it," he slurred.""""(Legal expenses paid by the SA tax-payer of course AND his salary religiously)........


and to the credit of Jackson Daniels Mtehmbu who must have an epiphany moment:

""""Jackson Mthembu has also had his troubles with drinking and driving, but unlike Motata and McBride, handled it completely differently. The African National Congress spokesman was driving under the influence in Cape Town in March 2010 when he was arrested. He continued doing his job in a professional manner while in police custody, handling a matter regarding Julius Malema and granting comment to Sapa. Mthembu pleaded guilty, was fined and expressed the right kind of remorse: "I'm sorry for what I have done. I'm sorry for letting you down," Mthembu said. It was a statement that won him sympathy, respect and forgiveness."""""