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Sat May 25 22:30:59 SAST 2013

Murray's supporters speak out

Jackie May, Andrea Nagel, Andile Ndlovu | 23 May, 2012 00:41
"The Spear" by artist, Brett Murray, on exhibition at Johannesburg's Goodman Gallery. PICTURE LAUREN MULLIGAN
Image by: LAUREN MULLIGAN

William Kentridge, artist, in his affidavit supporting the gallery's application:

The themes and symbolism employed by Brett Murray in his work are typical of the themes and visual language employed by many fine artists in Africa, Asia, Australasia, Europe and the Americas.

It is a global, modern language ... penises, in the age of Aids, when explicit sex education for primary school children is de rigueur, are a dime a dozen.

Murray made no attempt to make an image of President Zuma as a private man with a personal life. The genitals in the image are worn like the coat of Lenin - almost as a badge of office.

Pippa Skotnes, professor of fine art at Michaelis School of Fine Art, University of Cape Town:

This furore shows an embarrassing naivety about the role of art in society. From Shakespearean society (Queen Elizabeth I was reported to have chastised her jesters for not being hard enough on her) to northern Nigerian drama to Yoruba masked festivals, in which jesters were engaged by the royal court in the role of satirists, it has been a global phenomenon, understood by those in power as important, to satirise and poke fun at political figures and leadership.

Anton Kannemeyer, fine artist, sometimes called comic artist:

I think [Murray is] an excellent artist doing valuable work with his current (and previous Hail the Thief part 1) exhibition.

Well done to the ANC and Jacob Zuma for furthering and propelling Brett's career into superstardom.

Wayne Barker, fine artist:

Through ignorance of both art and its power, the ruling party has created a monster. The work has been taken out of context and called racist and pornography.

Gareth Cliff, 5FM DJ:

Art is not only about pretty pictures; often, the best art is provocative.

Part of being an adult in a constitutional democracy is that people will say or do things you might not like. If someone promised you that you would never be "disrespected", they were lying. You also have no right to be offended on behalf of another person. If you start with that, the controversy mostly melts away.

We don't need to go into the president's character, his past, race, or even a debate about artistic or moral freedom.

If you believe in freedom, you can't allow someone else to censor things for the rest of us.

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GreenRoom

Posted 367 days ago
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The sketch depicts moral repugnance at the conduct of the subject . What is being fudged is that disapproval for the conduct of Jake Z , is being misinterpreted as hatred for the person .

Play the ball , not the man is therefore the correct interpretation and if the ball is defective in any way , criticism of the defect , is perfectly normal .

Sgodiphola

Posted 367 days ago
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William Kentridge
Pippa Skotnes
Anton Kannemeyer
Wayne Barker
Gareth Cliff
Did you see that, all the supporters of the portrait are white. Maybe its a white thing to understand this sort of paintings. Amazing!!!!!!
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VirginiaMacKenny

Posted 367 days ago
In the gallery application a number of black artists and academics also support the rights of freedom of expression. Don't jump to conclusions that this is a white against black issue. Please also note that the man who first defaced the work was white. Think about the issues more deeply and don't go the easy route.
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Maxi

Posted 367 days ago
VirginiaMacKenny
Everyone support freedom of expression. Here we are talking about the portraint in question.....the way our president was depicted.
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lerumo-la?

Posted 367 days ago
The fact that the DA and most of the white ppl from CT are supporting the painting says a lot. Did these ppl thought about what this painting will do to his grandchildren and the entire family? Put urself in their shoes, what if it was ur father or grandfather that was depicted in that manner.This is going to cause a major destruction to the young ones in his family, it's unAfrican 2 undress an elder in public, that's what we were taught when we were growing up, let's tolerate and respects each other's cultures, ppl must not impose their cultures on us. One can observe that ppl are still bitter, we have not yet forgiven each other and therefore this country can not be called a rainbow nation coz we are not. The freedom of expression does not mean that one must disrespect other ppl and their dignities, it does not mean that one must suffer at the hand of another. If we have a problem with the ANC, why not engage the party, if you have a problem with a man marrying more than one wife, why not engage those ppl to try and understand where they are coming from? African cultures allowed black ppl to have more than one wife, why is it that ppl from other races find it hard to accept cultures of other ppl? we have accepted ur cultures and we have forgiven you 4 the suffering we experienced at the hand of a white man during apartheid and we will continue to treat any person irrespective of the race, language as one of our won. That portrait is not only a disrespect to the Zuma family but to the entire black nation. It must be condemned and more especially the people which have published it to the public domain, i wouldn't have a problem if it was displayed in Brett's house or an adult shop, but for it to be publised in the national newspaper, it's disgusting, it's disrespectful and racism. City press must be banned in our streets for exposing our kids to pornography and disrespecting our black community and cultures.
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AshneSegal

Posted 367 days ago
Please stop going the racist route - so what if they are all white - and if they were all black, what's the difference - art is art! Get a life!
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Mugabe99

Posted 367 days ago
when are they going to paint these following murderes with blood intheir hands:

PW Botha
De Klerk
Vorster
Treunitch
Verwoed
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clydebv

Posted 367 days ago
Mugabe99

Go ahead! See if I care.
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Romy

Posted 367 days ago
You can add to your list:
The black artist, Ayanda Mabulu. He first painted Zuma with a naked penis two years ago, and he has come out strongly in support of Brett Murray. He told the Cape Times "The ANC are dark and illiterate. They must go back to school and come back tomorrow. Art does not know colour or race, as it speaks a universal language. If a president disrespected the people he or she was supposed to serve then there was no other way of depicting that president".

The black author, Ndumiso Ngcobo, who said "The defacing of the painting is just the largest farce in the orgy of stupidity, hysteria and general absurdity of this entire unnecessary episode".

The daughter of Oliver Tambo, Tselane Tambo, said "So the Pres JZ has had his portrait painted and he doesn't like it. Do the poor enjoy poverty? Do the unemployed enjoy hopelessness? Do those who can't get housing enjoy homelessness? He must get over it. No one is having a good time. He should inspire the reverence he craves. This portrait is what he inspired - shame, neh".

7000000

Posted 367 days ago
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Advocates of apartheid what can we do that is your opinion gentlemen! I think the ANC could have done the President and the party a great favor should they have kept quite about the whole issue. The could have taken it as a political criticism and swallow their pride by taking it like political hero in a political game. I agree with the support that the above Comrades are giving to Murray they at list with all of us have freedom of opinion and expression. That is justice even if it means being weight against another right to human dignity! The Judicial authority have got a huge mountain to climb as far as the Jurisprudence of right to expression and Dignity are concerned which one is more heavier than the other! I totally condemn the two Comrades who defamed the painting , that is a property of another person it must be respected, well I think they did that out of temporary anger at the heat of a moment.
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 367 days ago
Well said but how can you expect these anc muffins to keep quite, they deserve everyshit coming their way.

Ijooo

Posted 367 days ago
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It is not surprising that teh supporters are all whites, and yet they insist that this has nothing to do with race. The problem here is the persistent tendency of our fellow whyte people to universalise their tastes. It may be hunorous to them for whatever stupid reason they will advance, but certainly it is offensive to others.
As much as artists have the right to freely express themselves, people have an equal right to respnd in a particular manner. It is ridiculous of Gareth Cliff to say people have no right to be offended. Who the hell does he think he is? Bestower of rights??He is certainly not a referent of our collective morality...
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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 367 days ago
The supporters are all South African. Who cares what colour they are? it seems that it is you who wants this to be a race issue.
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SlipperySlope

Posted 367 days ago
“You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police. Yet in their hearts there is unspoken – unspeakable! – fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts! Words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home, all the more powerful because they are forbidden. These terrify them. A little mouse – a little tiny mouse! – of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

Winston Churchil - another white guy

Damaria

Posted 367 days ago
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I'm not a JZ fan and think his term has really done damage to this country. But, disagreeing with a man politically is not justification for publicly damaging his dignity and insulting Black South African men in the process ( because in a sense, Black South Africans see the insult to Zuma as the insult to all Black men. If he, powerful man that he is, can be publicly exposed like that, how can they be safe from such damage?)

If The Spear was really art and sattire, ordinary South Africans who are not politically invested in Zuma would be falling over themselves laughing. Responses so far do not include laughter. And lest someone claim that it's because South Africans don't appreciate satire, keep in mind that we laugh with Zapiro all the time. So we do get it. When it's well done and it hits the mark.

Sadly, this artist most South Africans have never heard of will now be propelled into superstardom not because of his talent and skill, but because he insulted Zuma. I think that is the bigger crime, actually.

donorfatigued

Posted 367 days ago
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"Part of being an adult in a constitutional democracy..."

There you have the problem - a nation populated largely by persons of a child-like mentality, understanding little.

JoePublic9

Posted 367 days ago
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Everyone trying to make this about 'race' is in denial. Your president is a philanderer. Deal with it.

If you had to ask any foreigner what they know about Zuma they will mention his personal sex life, not any political policy of his. If you want to be a president, your personal life need to be beyond reproach. When you stop acting like one you become fair game, just ask Bill Clinton(note his skin colour).

What did the ANC think would happen when you nominate someone for president that knowingly has unprotected sex with someone that has AIDS? Yes I'm sure Zuma's family is hurt and offended, but Zuma should have considered the potential consequences before sleeping around.

Yes this whole debacle is hurting our country's image. Who is to blame? An artist reflecting the world around him or a country unable to elect a suitable president?

OTTOOTTO

Posted 367 days ago
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Since we are a free for all society articulating our freedoms and constitutional literacy. Can Murray and all his artistic regime send me pictures of themselves, their fathers / mothers /grandfathers and or grandmothers so that i can make portraits of them with hanging genitals for my artwork and public exhibhition. If they cant then i will grab any figurine image of their resemblence and paint hanging genitals. Maybe for starters to my collection paint ET, dKlk Zl hanging it all out. That should be fun.
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SpotLight

Posted 367 days ago
Yes it would be fun. And guess what all your heroes (ANC) that died, died for that exact reason to allow you that freedom to do as you please. if you found out that all these grandfathers and grandmothers of these artist were diving into bed with friends daughters and sons while married to 6 wives and having 13 children out of wedlock and then jumping into bed with Aids sufferes KNOWINGLY without a condom. You would be quite in your rights to paint something like that to warn unsuspecting victimes of these peoples crazy and dangerous lifestyles. thois is what this painting was a bout, my opinion, a dangerous and carless man who cannot control his most basic urges is running a sophisticated economy BEWARE!! this message was especially for people like you who blindly vote with your heart and not your brain

SpotLight

Posted 367 days ago
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You just don't get it do you? I don't feel sorry for your naivityI just feel very sorry for this country that have people like you actualy being allowed to vote. So Closed, narrow, blind.
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 367 days ago
Voting is a human right anyone who is against it have no role in our lovely africa, shipout to europe where corruption is an investment. Africa our land, eish as if i care what they do about zuma.

up_onthewall

Posted 367 days ago
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The painting called "the Spear", the main focal point, the genitals of a man in power, idealy meaning genitals = the Spear? The Spear used by Zulu warriors to fight battles, and win many through the use of the Spear. JZ a Zulu Man, yet no battles are now fought with actual spears the battle for power is now being fought through the use of another kind of "spear". South Africa is poverty stricken, WHY? #1 No jobs available, #2 Housing project failures #3 Goverment grant failures in saying that, the more children you have the more the goverment will grant... So have more children, you will get more money, because there is no work, you dont have a house... its a vicious circle let me add #corruption etc the list could go on and on, BUT, the battle is still being WON! WHY, more children, more people, more voters, they will grow up brainwashed by our ANC and their parents to believe that the white man will always be a racist and they will strive to make sure that the struggle will never be forgotten, and will continue to vote for a goverment that fails to deliver on anything, therefore winning the battle! Maybe not with a real Spear! but definitley the another form of a "Spear" - The Spear!? We could interprut this painting in many ways, all relating with the cultural views of black South Africans... Whether its disrespectful, maybe! But that "spear" is metaphorical for their passage / right to power and "freedom"! Be it in his own capacity or that of millions of South Africans one way or another - The Spear is being used to win the battle and to ensure, the ANC remain in power forever!

SpotLight

Posted 367 days ago
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Ayanda mabula
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ChickenRunner

Posted 367 days ago
what a morally screwed up country - country without morals has no shame, sic!

SpotLight

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Ayasnda mabula

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Posted 367 days ago
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Ayanda Mabula