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Nathi Mthethwa denies saying 'shoot to kill'

Oct 14, 2009 5:39 PM | By LAUREN COHEN

With blue lights blazing in a convoy of security vehicles, the Minister of Police visited the widow of Mitchell's Plein neighbourhood watch member Mervyn Jacobs.


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Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa
Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa
Photograph by: Sanele Moya.

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Jacobs was gunned down outside his Tafelsig house last Friday. He was the second neighbourhood watch member to be murdered in the area in just over a month.

In September, wheelchair-bound Vincent Naidoo was gunned down while he and members of a street committee guarded a fire on a street corner, barring access to “drug houses” in the area.

Michelle Gurling and Hassiem Jansen also received treatment for bullet wounds.

Western Cape Police Commissioner Mzwandile Petros, Community Safety MEC Lennit Max and Mitchells Plein police station commissioner Jeremy Vearey accompanied Mthethwa on the whistle-stop tour to Sandra Jacobs and Suleka Jansen’s homes.

Mthethwa told Jansen that it was people like her husband who were most important to the police.

“Just down the street, I’ve heard he helped to close down a drug outlet. This encourages us and we are proud of people like your husband,” he told her.

The police minister said drugs and gangs were “killing our nation”.

He asked Jansen to pass his regards onto her husband, who has recovered and returned to work.

At a press conference at the Mitchells Plein Police Station, the area’s community policing forum chairman Michael Jacobs gave a rousing speech in which he said Naidoo and Jacobs might have been killed, but gangsters had not broken the community’s spirit.

Addressing a room full of neighbourhood watch members, Mthethwa said the “shoot to kill” message had been dreamed up by the press and were not his words.

“Police must respond with fire to criminals. We make no response to that. Police are not trained to be trigger happy,” he said.

He said laws regarding police’s right to enter premises would be changed to save lives.

“There is a lot of woman and children abuse and we can’t seek permission from abusers to enter their houses,” he said.

Petros said he had seen policemen crying at murder scenes for their colleagues.

“When you speak, you speak like police like to kill people. When you kill someone, it lives on your conscience. Police do not take the decision to kill easily.”

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Oct 14 2009 06:11:30 PM
amaKK
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Nathi Mthethwa denies saying 'shoot to kill'

Phrase probably lost in translation from Pedi to English
Oct 14 2009 06:15:28 PM
Gumdrop
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Who cares what anyone said verbatim !!

What matters is the underlying connotative message, and that message that was interpreted was "YES SHOOT TO KILL"

Why suddenly deny this now? Covering your backside because this tactic backfired when the cops murdered that woman?

You are responsible Mr Minister. I sincerely hope deceased's family is looking into formulating an lawsuit.
Oct 14 2009 06:17:11 PM
RSinangola
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Police are not trained to be trigger happy,says he.
The vast majority are not properly trained to start with, and weapons handling is something that only an estimated 25 % have managed to pass. And that really sums up the problem. Jobs for untrained and incompetent palls.
Oct 14 2009 06:28:18 PM
mbongwam
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Nathi Mthethwa denies saying 'shoot to kill'


always expected from him sies anc you taking us to the wrong direction wena maan.
Oct 14 2009 06:47:35 PM
lessmo
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“There is a lot of woman and children abuse and we can’t seek permission from abusers to enter their houses,” he said.

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But police cannot even differentiate between abusers and just law abiding citizens, they just enter. Till what point can the police start shooting? Do they know? I doubt, maybe u need to re-train them as well. You are confusing them minister Sir… wait till they shoot one of your family members who might be wearing same colour jacket as a criminal at that time.

Oct 14 2009 08:33:46 PM
hoodoo
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Times Live, you posted a story about a woman who was shot dead, ...in an apparent hijack, but her perpetrators left the scene without taking anything. You said it was a blonde haired girl who works in the township doing social work. No one has been arrested. This post was on your news page 20 minutes ago. It had two comments. It has only been on for a short while. You have made it disappear. Why?

It is amazing that you post a story that will invoke no debate, leave it on your pages for a day or more, yet discard stories which reflect our society. What's going on...where are you at?
Oct 14 2009 08:52:29 PM
Mommacyndi
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Most of the papers called it the 'shoot to kill policy' which sounds pretty much what Cele, Susie, Mthethwa and Zuma were advocating.

If we 'misunderstood' then maybe the cops did too.
Oct 14 2009 09:01:35 PM
RSinangola
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Hoodoo, blonde would indicate that she may well be white, and the township may well indicate that the perpetrators are black. So who knows, maybe someone high up in government ordered them to pull the storey before the Canadians and especially Huntley spot it...
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<br/>Dukeboy, just because the police have this tendency to employ tsotsis and gangsters, it is not an indication that all blacks, or munts as you prefer, are useless. There is a good medium sized black middle class, stuck between the corrupt and useless politicians on the one side (the self enriched political elite) and the gangster cops (the low class just above the down and outs) on the other side. And we have the same sh!t amongst the white community and all other communities in between.
Oct 14 2009 09:15:57 PM
Tackler
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Success always has a thousand fathers; failure -- as in the shoot-to-kill issue -- is an orphan. Everybody runs flat-out to put as much distance between that directive and the inevitably tragic outcome as they can.
Oct 14 2009 09:16:45 PM
Dukeboy
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Oct 14 2009 09:01:35 PM
RSinangola


Understood. Have I ever referred to you as a munt?

Your comments are always well considered, useful and civilised. Why would I wish to ridicule or be derisive to a decent member of society such as yourself.

My comments are directed at, and to, the cretins.


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