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Selebi 'evil and cruel' - Pikoli

Pikoli loses it in court over Kebble share claims:

Nov 17, 2009 10:55 PM | By SALLY EVANS

Former national director of public prosecutions Vusi Pikoli slammed Jackie Selebi from the witness stand, saying the axed national police commissioner has an "evil and cruel mind".


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OFFENDED: Former NPA boss Vusi Pikoli leaves the South Gauteng High Court, Johannesburg, yesterday after testifying against former national police commissioner Jackie Selebi Picture: THYS DULLAART
OFFENDED: Former NPA boss Vusi Pikoli leaves the South Gauteng High Court, Johannesburg, yesterday after testifying against former national police commissioner Jackie Selebi Picture: THYS DULLAART

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Pikoli defended the National Prosecuting Authority's decision to grant indemnity to the killers of mining magnate Brett Kebble, saying "you need to use criminals against criminals".

Testifying in Selebi's corruption and defeating the ends of justice trial in the South Gauteng High Court, Johannesburg, Pikoli, a state witness, told Judge Meyer Joffe that statements by Selebi in his plea explanation were "a lie".

At the start of his trial last month, Selebi said that he was the victim of a political conspiracy waged by Pikoli and Pikoli's predecessor, Bulelani Ngcuka.

Ngcuka, Selebi claimed, tried to solicit a bribe from businessman Billy Rautenbach and it was after he had learned of this that the Scorpions tried to slap him with corruption charges.

In court, Selebi's advocate, Jaap Cilliers, put it to Pikoli that Selebi confronted him in December 2005 about free shares that his wife, Nozuko Majola-Pikoli, received in mining company Vulisango, created by Kebble's JCI group.

Pikoli did not deny that his wife received the shares, but vigorously denied that a confrontation took place, calling the claim "a lie".

In his plea statement, Selebi claims that, after confronting Pikoli, the prosecutions boss "became emotional" and told him that he knew about his wife's connection to JCI and that she was his "Achilles heel".

In court, Pikoli was visibly incensed, saying: "It is the work of an evil and cruel mind that can concoct such things that never happened. It is a lie I have said the accused never, never confronted me with all those allegations you mentioned."

Cilliers told the court that Pikoli and the National Prosecuting Authority had an "ulterior motive" in prosecuting Selebi. He contended that the authority offered indemnity to a number of "criminals" in return for them saying "something against the accused".

He referred to affidavits by Kebble's security chief, Clinton Nassif, and by security company owner Paul Stemmet, in which they alleged that Selebi received bribes from the Kebbles and convicted druglord Glenn Agliotti.

"Did you discuss and decide that Nassif would get indemnity for charges of attempted murder, and the murder of Kebble, if he was willing to testify against the accused?" Cilliers asked.

Pikoli responded: "Yes."

Cilliers: "You, as well as the [Scorpions], had ulterior motives in dealing with the case against the accused, that you gave indemnity to anyone."

Pikoli: "I take offence to this; I take offence that there is an ulterior motive."

Cilliers, who called the agreement between the Scorpions and Nassif "interesting", said conditions laid out in Nassif's agreement, in which he asked for indemnity for other criminals, pointed to "ulterior motives". Nassif wanted to ensure indemnity for the three Kebble triggermen - bouncers Mikey Schultz, Nigel McGurk and Faizel Smith - as well as for his business partner, Stephen Sander.

Cilliers told Pikoli that one of the agreements that had caused him concern was one "reached with a Mr Sabatini, who was granted indemnity for unspecified offences . And the NPA agreed to that? I find that extraordinary, Mr Pikoli."

Pikoli responded that the NPA took a "risk".

"We knew it would be a big problem in terms of public opinion but, given the gravity of the accusations against Selebi, we thought that was the gamble we were going to have to take. You need to use criminals against criminals."

Yesterday morning, Pikoli testified that he had known Selebi "since my days in exile from 1980" and that it had been "painful" to investigate someone he knew well.

He said that he was the one who had confronted Selebi in late 2006. Selebi "denied any knowledge" of why his name came up in Nassif's affidavit after Kebble's murder.

"He was very convincing that he did not receive any monies. I believed him. It is the most painful thing to be investigating someone that you know. I cried tears of relief and he also cried," he testified.

Pikoli said that during a trip to Eastern Cape on police business, Selebi said to him: "You guys, why are you not dropping charges against Rautenbach?"

Pikoli responded: "Why should we?" To which Selebi allegedly said: "Because I am in possession of a letter that can cause embarrassment [to] Ngcuka and the NPA."

Selebi's trial was postponed to tomorrow to allow prosecutor Gerrie Nel to prepare his next witness, Billy Rautenbach.

Agliotti earlier testified that Rautenbach had paid him (Agliotti) $100,000 to give to Selebi, then head of Interpol, to help Selebi quash international warrants for Rautenbach's arrest.

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Nov 18 2009 03:56:38 AM
jsavo
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It took an Irish cop to bring this out to the open at major risk to himself and his family - already forgotten!
God bless freedom!.... and ur rights!!!!!
Nov 18 2009 04:13:01 AM
Ngempela
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Bra Jackie should have been custodian of an honourable office but dishonoured it because the enticement of the 'good life' was just too much for the evil that lurked in him. The taste of the good life undid whatever pretence he had to being a man of honour.

But so did the tatse of the 'good life' do to so many in the ANC, that those of us who once looked up to some of these men and women for leadership are dismayed at how easily the evil in them was stirred by the unquenchable panting for the 'good life'.

Ofcourse that is the reason there was no time to even remember to serve those who had elected them to office. The feeding frenzy instinct had dulled any care for anyone either than SELF.

Disgusting list of dishonour just keeps growing by the day.
Nov 18 2009 04:35:18 AM
Ngempela
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So what if the cop was Irish? How relevant is that by the way?
Nov 18 2009 04:39:28 AM
feelgood
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Where is Pikoli publisher to write a book about this case and make a movie. This man could take you in the world of corruption in the government. I like to see Pikoli team up with John singleton to make a movie about this case. The movie should be called "men in the hood".
Nov 18 2009 04:47:22 AM
Garrio
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In our government, the higher the position the lower the morals.
Nov 18 2009 06:14:15 AM
mcritic
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WE had the drug lord, the bimbette and the silly old goat in the bar. Then turn up the wiggle with the jiggle ala the carry on movies - the cop who wanted to get to Bad Brad's pronographic photo collection.

Then we get the phone maniacs calling each other 57 times in 8 days - the visit to the casino and the goodies in shopping.

Next we get the income levels higher than the income of the Commisisoner of Police - those mysterious payments ala the Godfather.

The conspiracy charges of Selebi is goining momentum too. Pikoli and Ngcuka has written to Tarszan of the Congolese mining scam saga to solicit a bribe - and that is why they opposed the closing down of the Scorpions - who were investigating the relationship between the Drug Lord and the Commissioner.

Now at last - the cherry on the top. Tarrzan of the Congolese mining scam fame turns up - after he allegedly gone to ground and could not be found.

This really is going to be fun. Who in Zimbabwe benefitted from the SCAM? More importantly - who in South Africa did. Nel may not ask embarrassing questions - but Cilliers may just do so. After all he alleged that Ngcuka was the mining scam operator in the Congo.

I think thie ies real stuff for a movie. It should be called :-

"Carry on up the Gravy Train" and should also feature the new Executive jet of R150 000 000.. The alternative would be "Taqrzan and the Congolese Mining Scam". A Third Possibility would be "Indiana Jones and the Police Forces of Darkness"

No - leave out the last one - that is for the Eskom Carry on film.
Nov 18 2009 06:42:47 AM
Dukeboy
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Nov 18 2009 04:35:18 AM
Ngempela
So what if the cop was Irish? How relevant is that by the way?


Just as well Selebi Chaser wasn't driven by the need to become a celebrity.

You're not going to get accolades, Paul - but I'm sure you'll have the contentment and peace of conscience knowing that you played the greater part. Recognition or no recognition.
Nov 18 2009 06:47:23 AM
cf3
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1. Criminals sleep with criminals;
2. Use criminals against criminals;
3. The SA ppl don't like criminals;

Remove criminals from the streets!

Madeinchina:
Birds of the same feather..........
Hundreds of times is this already written about the ANC criminals.

You can start preparing yourself to import Rumanians to help clean up this Ceausescu Government.

All over SA the populace is nervous and ready for "shoot to kill". This time not "some" criminals but "all" of them.

History repeats, not the French but the South Africa revolution is near.

Bring your loved ones to safety that this rotten ANC can be removed.
Nov 18 2009 07:28:20 AM
marhuleni
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Yeah right! They need to use criminals against criminals, like you in this case.
Nov 18 2009 08:22:36 AM
Straight-talk
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Selebi must be jailed....


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