ANCYL roasts Malusi Gigaba
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Public Enterprises Minister Malusi Gigaba has come under scathing attack by the ANC Youth League for telling the American Chamber of Commerce in SA on Monday that the nationalisation debate was damaging the country.
The league rebuked Gigaba yesterday, saying it hoped that the courage he had "suddenly" found to speak out on the nationalisation of mines had not been inspired by his audience.
On Monday, Gigaba, a former ANC Youth League president, said the people who were running the country understood what the "acrimonious" debate on nationalisation was doing to investment.
The youth league said yesterday that it was relieved that, at last, Gigaba, "who never held a political view on any issue before, now has the courage to speak about nationalisation of mines, though with a wrong approach, vigour and very wrong information.
"We hope his suddenly found courage to speak about nationalisation of mines is not inspired by the American Chamber of Commerce, which he unfortunately was addressing," the league said.
It also questioned Gigaba's track record when he was president of the ANC's youth wing between 1996 and 2004, claiming that he "never had any impact [or] influenced any policy shift, including on youth development".
"The only thing known about some people is government flowers, which have nothing to do with the national democratic revolution and the Freedom Charter.
"... Grand-standing and pleasing imperialists undermines people's integrity and further degenerates the little political respect comrades have," the youth league's secretary-general, Sindiso Magaqa, said.
In 2007, while deputy minister of home affairs, Gigaba was forced to refund more than R1000 of taxpayers' money after he was found to have used a departmental credit card to buy his wife flowers on Valentine's Day.
Magaqa said the league would soon ask for a meeting with Gigaba, "to take him through [the basics of] the nationalisation of the mines and its relationship [with] future investments and employment creation".
The league's rebukes were made as Mineral Resources Minister Susan Shabangu entered the fray, saying the nationalisation debate was "not taking our people anywhere". She said the country and the mining industry should instead concentrate on finding ways to eliminate the evil triplet of poverty, inequality and unemployment.
Political analyst Adam Habib said the rows between the ANC and its youth wing were becoming more "acrimonious" and this was a sign that there were divisions within the party.
"When you personalise debates, like they are doing with Gigaba, you are demonstrating acrimony.
"This is a sign of deep divisions, especially with the kind of language that is being used.
"Another thing is the way they confront this issue. [The youth league is] not trying to convince the ANC with the debate. If they were, they would not use the kind of words that they are using. They seem to be drawing battle lines."
The league yesterday accused ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu of jumping the gun regarding its position on Botswana.
The ANC on Monday publicly rebuked the league, saying its "insults" to and "disrespect" of Botswana President Ian Khama were a clear demonstration that it had "crossed the political line".
The spat followed the league's statement on Sunday that it would establish a "command team" that would promote unity among opposition parties in Botswana with the aim of regime change.
Yesterday, the league's spokesman, Floyd Shivambu, said Mthembu had jumped the gun.
"In true ANC tradition, internal discussions and consultations should be exhausted before any public condemnation is made for whatsoever reason," he said.



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khallawaya
Posted 297 days agokhallawaya
Posted 297 days agobuddi
Posted 297 days agoIn the last couple of months I have heard the president of America speak more than our own president. His silence is deafening.
Joe-Higgins
Bard
Posted 297 days agoHe said, She said type of scenario...
Like Gigaba is going to have SLEEPLESS NIGHTS now that the ANCYL have "REBUKED" him...
What the Hell does that mean?
Calmed him down? (Jesus REBUKED the sea)
Or is this just another USELESS "PRONOUNCEMENT" from the ANCYL????
"BRIBE-OR and a BRIB-EE".... Still one of the Best chirps this year!
SuiGeneris
Posted 297 days ago________________________
According to the 2011 World Investment Report, direct foreign investment into SA was down in 2010 by a staggering 70%.
FDI inflow was $1,5-billion in 2010 compared with almost $5,4-billion in 2009.
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You claim that you do this to help the poor ?
HA HA HA !
The only thing that you have done thus far was to make matters worse - MUCH WORSE - for the poor !
Let's face it malema, you only have your own selfish interest at heart - your extravagant lifestyle proves beyond a shadow of doubt that you do not care one iota about the poor !
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Hence Malema this Malema that.
We are standing by with our votes......just to try Mr Malema's walk to economic freedom....maybe he has something for us.....
Verwoed had nothing for us Malan had nothing for us Mandela had political freedom for us Mbeki had nothing Z... does not seem to have something for us.......but definitely as townshipers we vow to take our chance with Mr. Malema our future President.
SuiGeneris
Typical anti-intellectual mentality to back a losing horse !
Joe-Higgins
Please speak for yourself not for civilized, updated, smart and educated ''townshipers.'' Say me not we...you represent nobody on this forum other than your short sighted and narrow views.
Wiseguy
U sounds like ZANU-PF, u smell like ZANU-PF and u taste like ZANU-PF.........so u must therefore be the new ZANU-PF TL propoganda machine !!
No doubt enjoying the fruits of your wonderful policies along with those millions of refuguee's.
U C.I.O agents are just amazing hey? Full of inflammatory hatred and fear tactics......BORING BORING BORING!!
Got anything constructive to add to the debate?
No....thought NOT!
buddi
Did you ever wonder how much money the government could save if they - didn't spend so much on parties, cars, and luxuries for themselves; didn't accept every inflated tender to help their mates; didn't rent outrageous premises; didn't try to do us (the people) in?
G4774
Mandela fought for political freedom. But is was the people who made the difference. Black, white, indian, coloured, etc. We all made the decision as a community to change and redress the past. Because it was right.
But the economic freedom you talk about is based in greed and sloth. You believe that there is this land of milk and honey beyond nationalization where money will grow on trees and all people will want for nothing (and do nothing to achieve this). This is fantasy!
This is as economically free as you are going to get.
MisterWendal
Posted 297 days agoAfrica's greatest statesman would never have allowed this public misbehaviour of the kindergarten - they had to tread wearily with an intelligent president around!
BokFan
So TL has failed in trying to deny us our venting space. LOL
MisterWendal
;)
Danny_Archer
MisterWendal
Maybe he is allowing the kids to implode on their own - they are certainly on the right track.
Besides, they are on the offensive against everyone at the moment (anything to shift the focus away from Foolius' dilemna, I guess). Anyone commenting on their childish behaviour at the moment can expect a torrent of irrational abuse from the kindergarten. Africa's greatest statesman don't play that!
Beelzebub
Posted 297 days agoObviously fatty and the ANCYL still need to do more to totally destroy investor confidence in our country. (that is meant to be sarcasm by the way)
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We do not want jobs but ownership, and are not scared about investers, we never invited them anyway, their colonial motive put the where they are, and we careless about them.
buddi
Ownership so you can stuff it up.
buddi
G4774
BokFan
Posted 297 days agoEspecially since his remaining international mentor Senor H Chavez of Venezuela is backing off his previous demented radicalism.Now his mission urgently being shifted into high gear before its obvious in to every drunk in every shebeen in the land that he is the last madman standing.
MisterWendal
But come-on now - Africa's greatest statesman's doctrine is not anti-West - it is pro-Africa.
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Posted 297 days agoHence Malema this Malema that.
We are standing by with our votes......just to try Mr Malema's walk to economic freedom....maybe he has something for us.....
Verwoed had nothing for us Malan had nothing for us Mandela had political freedom for us Mbeki had nothing Z... does not seem to have something for us.......but definitely as townshipers we vow to take our chance with Mr. Malema our future President
the_original_MommaCyndi
SA black people have a massive amount to 'loose'. Why do you think that people from Zim, Sudan, DRC etc would prefer to take their chances with you burning them to death rather than go home?
A lot of white people have options so it won't be them starving in the streets. The majority of black people don't. You screw up the country and you can't just up stakes and leave. They get to stay here and watch their families die.
BokFan
Blacks have got nothing to lose.Go tell that to a Somali or Zim refugee numbnuts
Since your leadership has failed to give the handout you so desperately seek why dont you make a job instead. Like they do
SuiGeneris
Dead give-away about your intellect - to post your comments more than once !
We are quite capable to understand your garbage reading it once only !
Beelzebub
Nationalisation = no investment
No investment = no economic growth
No economic growth = no jobs
No jobs = no economic freedom
Well at least I tried.
In the West they sometimes try to fathom the mindset of those who live in 3rd world nations and the constant need to pursue economic policies that have been widely discredited...
... but hey, at least fatboy can live in R16million mansion.
MisterWendal
You got rid of Mbeki too early - he was onto something and given more time could have done a lot for you. But alas, faceless opportunists thought a spineless puppet would serve their selfish interests best - and that's why we find ourselves in this directionless position today. The interests of South Africa and it's people come a distant second to the unjust enrichment of a select corrupt few!
SuiGeneris
MlunguMnyama70
Forget about the past as it has no bearing on the future. The problem is that the black keep on making the same mistakes over and over again while the spineless white sit back and keep waiting to see if blacks will ever admit to their mistakes.
One thing blacks forget is that the spineless whites will eventually get fed up with blacks beating on the past apartheid, white skin colour, white intelligence, white imperialists, and white everything ...as an excuse to the lack of intelligence, that their will be a war and many lives will be lost because we all think like baboons because baboons have been voted in to lead us like baboons.
Look at Africa!!! It is corrupt to the core, full of apartheid and racism (black against black) , and when there is no food the blacks ask for help from the UN and then publically arrogantly deny ever having asked for help!!!
Come on you blacks and white!! Pull your heads out you @ss's and work together , establish another predominant black party, if it will make blacks sleep better, make sure that they are not in their arrogant 40's-50's , chose educated people (there are so many young educated blacks that speak read and write English better than all the politicians today, and get this country on its feet!!!
STAND TO GETHER AS A NATION YOU IDIOTS AND WORK TOGETHER - STOP LOOKING AT THE PAST OR THE SKIN COLOUR!!!
POWER TO THE PEOPLE
Wiseguy
U sounds like ZANU-PF, u smell like ZANU-PF and u taste like ZANU-PF.........so u must therefore be the new ZANU-PF TL propoganda machine !!
No doubt enjoying the fruits of your wonderful policies along with those millions of refuguee's.
U C.I.O agents are just amazing hey? Full of inflammatory hatred and fear tactics......BORING BORING BORING!!
Got anything constructive to add to the debate?
No....thought NOT!
Oh but wait.....now u come up with the brilliantly original "new" concept of white vs black!!!!
Don't u guys have any other propoganda tools in your box??
So far you have used:
white vs black
anti-imperialist/colonialist
destroy the west(whites)
pan-africanism before anything else
indigenization
?????
But you guys are like a stuck record and equally annoying......noise that nobody listens too after a while!!
Isn't there any original thinking going on in the ZANU-PF camp and their CIO ??? Maybe time for new leadership and direction hey?
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Posted 1 hours ago
Try reading this slowly .. it might just sink in.
Nationalisation = no investment
No investment = no economic growth
No economic growth = no jobs
No jobs = no economic freedom
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It has sank, and this is exactly what SA must be so that whites will realise that greed is K@k.
buddi
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Posted 297 days agoWe do not want jobs but ownership, and are not scared about investers, we never invited them anyway, their colonial motive put the where they are, and we careless about them.
the_original_MommaCyndi
Sounds like your are talking about re-implementing the slave trade.
Believe it or not, most people of this country just want the self respect and dignity that comes from doing a good days WORK (yes, I know WORK is a new word for you, look it up)
Beelzebub
Take a trip north to Zimbabwe to see if you can find anything worth owning.
Personally I think you are just another lazy chump who want's the fruits but doesn't have cajones for the hard yards.
Typical 3rd world mentality. That is why the african continent will always be messed up.
BokFan
dwnwitjuju
I tell you what - If I give you my house, you will lose it in 3 months because you cannot afford to pay the rates and taxes! Try getting a job, making some money, going to the bank for a bond, paying said bond, paying rates & taxes monthly, plus electricity - that's how the rest of us live. Why should you be any different?
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Posted 297 days agoIt's okay let us (blacks) suffer so that we learn wisedom the hard way.
the_original_MommaCyndi
Most black people are not ignorant, selfish, greedy fools who desire to see the country a ruin. Why should you be allowed to make our entire country 'suffer' so that you can get a bit of "wisedom"?
MlunguMnyama70
Malema
Cele
Zuma
Roux
Vavi (This was dissapointing - I really thought that he was a honest one!!!Sh1 t!!!!)
and on and on and on
buddi
PinkAndProud
You create your own suffering by continually voting for a corrupt political party. When you develop some reasoning, you might figure that one out.
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Posted 297 days agoInsulting is not helping......baba the train is in motion.
SuiGeneris
So sorry that the train is on the WRONG TRACK !
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Posted 297 days agoMost black people are not ignorant, selfish, greedy fools who desire to see the country a ruin.
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But white people are....the poverty on blacks you see arround the country is because of people like you and verwoed, who are greedy.
And yet you are in denial.
SuiGeneris
Let me help you with a starting point in your life.....
Get some educational books - plenty of them !
Then STUDY them - Don't just read them !
Do this for the next 7 years and then come back and make your comments !
the_original_MommaCyndi
Or dig the old sod up and shout at him - whatever gets you closure.
Do you HONESTLY think that white people sit around planning how to make black people unhappy? Do you REALLY think that you occupy every waking thought in our heads? Thats a little narcissistic, isn't it?
The vast majority of white people WANT black people to be successful. Not because we are nice or anything like that. Its because we love SA and would desperately love to see it flourish. We'd also like to get some value for our tax contributions - but that is a separate issue
chipshot
can't agree more, you are absolutely spot on. our roads pass through their farms & they getting rent each an every month form govenrment for the rest of thier lives hence they are against land distribution. why are they reluctant to sell their land. our beloved goverment came out with a plan of willing seller, willing buyer, but it didn't work bcoz of them.
why do we still have only 1 player at a time in cricket national team.
buddi
PinkAndProud
Regarding your cricket question, why not ask your black brother Gerald Majola this question. Ask him why he stole millions instead of using it to uplift cricket ie. his black brothers. Don't always blame the whitie for your problems boy.
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If you want something, work for it. If you clowns think you're going to have ownership over anything that someone else has worked, for think again. You want to take something from me that I've worked for? Think again because it'll be destroyed before you can get your thieving fat fingers on it.
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Posted 297 days agoIt was on the "WRONG TRACK" since malan and verwoed......so what's new?
Joe-Higgins
You are a comedy beyond human explanation.
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Posted 8 minutes ago
@Zim-Dollar
You are a comedy beyond human explanation.
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Thanks for the compliment.....I did not notice this skill on me.
But I will from now on.
Mzungu
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Posted 297 days agoPosted 3 minutes ago
You want ownership ? Are you sure ? Are you responsible enough for ownership?
Take a trip north to Zimbabwe to see if you can find anything worth owning.
Personally I think you are just another lazy chump who want's the fruits but doesn't have cajones for the hard yards.
Typical 3rd world mentality. That is why the african continent will always be messed up.
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Then you can catch the next flight to europe and leave olone.
Beelzebub
Next time you walk past a RDP house, you better recognise that it was people like ME who paid for that house. Also, next time you see a photo of Juju's humble abode, recognise that the money used to build it wasn't his money, that money came from the state purse and could have been used to build more RDP houses.
Your HERO steals from you, not from me, fool.
As for you, you contribute nothing ... burning tyres and trashed streets don't count.
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Good boy keep on doing that.
buddi
That's always the stock answer from the anc bigots.
Economic.Lieutenant
Posted 297 days agoIn an article titled, "Whites souls in Black skins", Biko says about these morons, "...[Some blacks] have been made to feel inferior for so long that for them it is comforting to drink tea, wine or beer with whites who seem to treat them as equals. This serves to boost up their own ego to the extent of making them feel slightly superior to those blacks who do not get similar treatment from whites. These are the sort of blacks who are a danger to the community.
Instead of directing themselves at their black brothers and looking at their common problems from a common platform they choose to sing out their lamentations to an apparently sympathetic audience that has become proficient in saying the chorus of "shame!". These dull-witted, self-centred blacks are in the ultimate analysis as guilty of the arrest of progress as their white friends for it is from such groups that the theory of gradualism emanates and this is what keeps the blacks confused and always hoping that one day God will step down from heaven to solve their problems. It is people from such groups who keep on scanning the papers daily to detect any sign of the change they patiently await without working for."
Steve Biko would have been ashamed of morons like Malusi Gigaba, who now have transformed themselves into being reliable pawns of white capital, and who could easily be bought by a bunch of flowers, and a brief chance to share the same platform with the Captains of the Industry.
SuiGeneris
''''''''Steve Biko would have been ashamed of morons like Malusi Gigaba''''''
Try to be among the living - today and the future !
That is what is important !
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dwnwitjuju
Get it?
Got it?
Good.
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Posted 297 days agoPosted 1 minutes ago
@ $$$$$$
Let me help you with a starting point in your life.....
Get some educational books - plenty of them !
Then STUDY them - Don't just read them !
Do this for the next 7 years and then come back and make your comments !
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That psycho is not working on me....I am far too big for your mentality.
SuiGeneris
Please enlighten us then with your intellect in the future !
Wiseguy
Different name...same old sh!t......really BORING and not worth taking to much time over.
They have FAILED FAILED FAILED, in Zim catastrophically and are FAILING their feeble power grubbing attempts here in RSA/Botswana !
To little intellect to even realize what a failure they and their policies are! Now that takes intellect to new depths....doesn't it?
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Intelect is becoming "His Master's Voice" according to you.
Wiseguy
My definition is being able to think INDEPENDANTLY and sift through all the inflammatory propoganda(bullsh!t) that people like u spew to serve ur own selfish agenda's and come up with contructive idea's that ACTUALLY work to help the previously disadvantaged and therefore the ENTIRE country ! U have yet to come up with a single intellectual bright original idea??
But in case u are still unclear here is the dictionary def for U:
–noun
1. the power or faculty of the mind by which one knows or understands, as distinguished from that by which one feels and that by which one wills; the understanding; the faculty of thinking and acquiring knowledge.
2. capacity for thinking and acquiring knowledge, especially of a high or complex order; mental capacity.
3. a particular mind or intelligence, especially of a high order.
So far I stand by my opinion of u taking intellect to new as yet unfounded depths!!
previouslycrackerr
Posted 297 days agoJust take a second look at the main story just above this one. The Somalia one with the picture. Now think about all the refugees from Africa we are akready saddled with. Especially from Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe can't feed itself. The ANCYL doesn't care that we will be forced into the same deplorabe situation in our OWN country.
The big wigs, already enjoying better things in life and surrounded by bodyguards, will not suffer the same fate. They will be living in their mansions with guards, and bunkers beneath as back ups against the potential discontent of the masses and the poor. Of which there will be MANY more than we see now. They will not have to undergo suffering for so-called wisdom. Take note, Dollarman. For you to even suggest something so horrific makes one think of how Hitler and his kind believed that they had the right to make a whole nation suffer and drag them down. All for BS like blood and fire and shyte to purify the nation.
So-called ownership does not create or assist meaningful economic activity.
There is only one style of economy that gives hope to people. The ANCYL will not manage to create a new kind of economy that has not been tried before and failed.
The ownership and so-called economic freedom we now hear about are buzz words that will not assist the unemployed. The real purpose behind the cunning plans is to empower and enrich the elites even more than they already are. THEY - the elites - will be the new owners and the new organisers and rulers who will decide what goes for whom and AT WHAT PRICE. They are the same persons with secrets of riches that we ordinary people do not have and will never have. How they can be trusted with the power they aim at is scary. Imagine what they will be capable of once they have the media and the law enforcement agencies finally under control.
However, this country consists of many groups and many political groupings. We will see how far some are prepared to go.
Speaking for myself, I will not become a refugee in my country of birth and I will not live in slavery. That is the final and ultimate position many others will also hold.
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Posted 297 days agoPosted 5 minutes ago
That is great !
Please enlighten us then with your intellect in the future !
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What is it with you, you want me to see things the white opressors way?
Sorry.......it's not on with me.
mastermindPE
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Posted 297 days agoJust take a second look at the main story just above this one. The Somalia one with the picture. Now think about all the refugees from Africa we are akready saddled with. Especially from Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe can't feed itself. The ANCYL doesn't care that we will be forced into the same deplorabe situation in our OWN country
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This is the colonists product.
previouslycrackerr
Beelzebub
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Yes, I am interested baas.
Ndlwananhle-kayi-1
Posted 297 days agoI wonder why people are not keeping their p.a.n.t.i.es ON, coz the YL is ONLY asking for a debate in the topic. I am sorry any potential investor who is fizzled by the leagues is weakling and does not deserve to be in business, ngoba unovalo entanyeni kuhle okwesele (those who can translate please do).
RSA govt has been saying it time and time again that nationalisation is not a GOVERNTMENT POLICY.
Are people aware that should govt opt for nationalisation, this would mean two things must happen;
(a) Change/ammend the Constitution, (the clause property rights Act/s etc),
(b) a tho-thirds majority in parliament would be needed to pass this into law.
Which party has a two-thirds majority in parliament?
Had South Africa had good, investigative media, credible, objective, it would have showed the PROS and CONS, what it will take to have nationalisation as Govt policy etc, but NO it will not do that, it will rather bask in this scary tactics applied in this on-going debate on nationalisation.
Our media is really something else, RSA media, show other voices of the Publici
Wiseguy
Posted 297 days agoI mean come on guys and gals......they FAILED utterly and completely at helping their own people....now what makes anyone think their policies can help our people ??
ANYONE??
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How do we trust people who think/behave this way? (hypocricy at rife).
Poverty we see on blacks today....your NP is the root cause, and we teach that to our kids.
Wiseguy
For the record.......I voted the NP out.... first opportunity I got.....and I celebrated the downfall of Apartheid along with millions of other RSA citizens and patriots. Yes we were dancing in the streets with joy.
U know what, when ur hero MadBOB bites the dust(anytime soon), true patriots who love people, put them first, respect and honour democracy, good governance and wish to see this in our neighbours aswell.....we will ALL be dancing with joy all over again!
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Posted 21 minutes ago
@Zim dollars$$$$$$
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Calling names makes you feel better and sleep well at night I suppose.
khallawaya
Posted 297 days ago.........the ONLY and ONLY REASON why the Pink Lions Plague are stirring the toilet bowl is because the PINK LION MALEMA IS ACCUSED OF CROOKERY AND SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED, even if the paralyzed Shagga Zulu stares to the emptiness of nothing........HA HA HA HA HA..................
previouslycrackerr
Posted 297 days agoThe irony of it all sometimes!
The same so-called imperialists that the ANCYL is so fond of vilifying are once again in the forefront to help alleviate misery. We don't hear of African countries taking up the role of benefactors despite the availability of very rich arable land for agricultural to many of them.
Why do I single African countries out? Because they are supposedly not the imperialists and they and some of their leaders and the ANCYL here use every possible opportunity to blame the so-called imperialists.
According to reports yesterday, that stirling example of non-imperialism Zimbabwe needs $74 m food aid urgently and the famine is set to spread in Zimbabwe. The same country that blesses our country with a daily influx of refugees. We in South Africa of all countries with imperial remnants still around.
This is for you Dollarman: Do you think the refugees coming here have been wisened by their experiences? Don't ignore this observation. You are the one who favours in one of your comments above suffering as a method to acquire wisdom. Naturally not for the elites but for the rest of us. What do you say now?
Irrespective of who causes what - and it is not the so-called colonists - how do you think those children we see in the photos of true African hunger experiences enjoy the suffering that makes them wiser and even KILLS them?
You are the pits!
@ Dollarman?
Rightway
Posted 297 days agokhallawaya
Posted 297 days ago.........From one satyr with Viagra to another satyr without Viagra:...........
""SA lends Swaziland $355m
Reuters | 03 August, 2011 10:01
South Africa has agreed to a 2,4 billion rand ($355 million) bailout for Swaziland to help the impoverished southern African nation through a chronic cash crisis.""""
previouslycrackerr
They will come to this same country where the ANCYL wants to implement their anti-imperialist and Zimbabwe-style policies.
HELL, WE EVEN HAVE TO HELP CUBA OUT.
Rightway
Posted 297 days agoOnly failures blame and live in the past. If you teach your kids the NP is to blame for your poverty. You are lying to them and setting them up for failure. The poor have always been here for thousands of years. Only a quality western education can lift them out of poverty. So that they can get a decent job when investors create more jobs.
Your hate for the white man and the West is not good for you. It will destroy you and every one you influence. Not only blacks suffered under the NP. English speakers were persecuted as well as anyone who was not of the chosen Afrikaaner tribe.
So get over it and get on with your education in a white man,s world.
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Only failures blame and live in the past. If you teach your kids the NP is to blame for your poverty. You are lying to them and setting them up for failure. The poor have always been here for thousands of years.
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"The poor have always been here for thousands of years." and it happened to be blacks......how nice is that.
dwnwitjuju
Pommie-Abroad
Posted 297 days agoThe same fools that chowed all the loot are the ones now in charge of the loan...hehehehe only in africa..
i used to love this site but jeepers has it slipped down hill quickly????? :-(
Beelzebub
Posted 297 days agoCheese and rice, you are living on this site.
Don't you have any work to do, or don't you work at all?
OR, are you employed in a government department, and given most government employees are incompetent, that would mean you are getting paid to do nothing.
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I promise you this situation is a ticking bomb.
zwelinapster
Posted 297 days agoAt this point only SPCA and their tranquilizer darts guns can help.
khallawaya
Posted 297 days ago.....and so they will remain for as long as they keep idolizing scum demagogues as Pink Lion Malema as their "saviours-for-favours"........HA HA HA HA HA HA HA....................
Rightway
Posted 297 days agoNot only blacks are poor. There are 800 thousand whites living in SA in abject poverty. What do you have to say about that?
However only a good education can help .The Jews were colonised and there country obliterated by the Romans. For thousands of they were outcasts, poverty stricken and persecuted. What is there secret. I will tell you and no it is not there religion. They became secular and educated there kid. Education is there reason for success.
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Wiseguy
There is only ONE way....educate educate and educate ur kids!
CAPICHE??
Ndlwananhle-kayi-1
Posted 297 days agoa) why do wait until people are STARVING, feed them when & whilst they are still hungry
b) Feed them with good food (not seeds), give them veggies, soups etc not SEEDS. YOu dont hear anything about Africans countries, that is bcoz, u choose not to.
In kzn alone, gift of the givers is already in Somalia
khallawaya
previouslycrackerr
Can we get the details?
The fact is that it is once more the so-called non-imperialists and non-African countries that are giving the assistance. Also on a scale that will make probably a real difference.
But give the details of the Afican countries involved and the extent of their involvement, or refer to a link where it can be found. Of particular interest is Zimbabwe's situation.
I trust you took note why I refer to African countries specifically.
previouslycrackerr
I re-read your comment immediately above.
You seem to miss the point I was making.
Let's take it a few small measures further. The same sentiment or attitude that you raise your criticism/praise about does not change the fact that the aid - AID AT ALL AND AT ANY STAGE AND IRRESPECTIVE OF SENTIMENT OR ATTITUDE - once more comes from the so-called imperialists and if one wants to rub it in deeper, the CAITALISTS, mostly the WHITE CAPITALISTS. If the attitude or sentiment accompanying the aide is open to critism, so what?
Where are the so-called anti- or non-imperialists with all the rich agricultural land and natural mineral sources with their aid? Instead they stand in the queque, in need and also ready to receive aid. Where are their brothers and sisters, the same ones who want the whole Africa to follow the same policies as our northern neighbour?
Take Zimbabwe for example.
Their big boss and his wife will probably easily be able to contribute a sizeable portion in money terms to the URGENTLY needed aid. But no, they prefer their own comfort.
See the parallel with the ANCYL attitude. Similar. We want their leader - and the other leaders in the League as more information come to the fore - to just be honest and tell us what we as a nation is entitled to know. Not even that tiny concession from him.
Makes one wonder about honesty and integrity.
khallawaya
Posted 297 days ago""""".....Granted, Miyeni writes with all the class and acumen of a paedophile peering through a pre-school fence. Therefore, whatever point he intended to make about the media’s fixation with black people and their propensity to be corrupt was throttled by his crassness.........""""""
mastermindPE
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khallawaya
Posted 297 days ago""""""Most ANC provinces would like the party's leadership succession debate to be opened immediately despite its national executive committee's (NEC) decision to ban all discussion of the matter for now.
Four provinces have come out in support of a call by the ANC Youth League and the ANC in Gauteng for open debate to be allowed."""""""(Who's the head? Julius Malema's call for the ANC’s succession debate to be opened has elicited mixed reactions from the ANC branches around the country. (Paul Botes, M&G)
............The Fat Pink Lion is doing whatever he can to distract the attention from the fact that he is SUSPECT OF CROOKERY and HE SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED.........
Rightway
Posted 297 days agoMisterWendal
Rightway
Posted 297 days agoMisterWendal
previouslycrackerr
Posted 297 days agoThe spectre of the previous Egyptian leader in a cage flat on his back in court on oxygen and criminal charges for corruption will no doubt serve as motivation. Nobody would like to be a loser, surrounded with the kind of friends we have been seeing in the ANC at various levels.
Oh well, you make your own bed, even against all advice.......
Ndlwananhle-kayi-1
Posted 297 days agoAlso, research abt which African countries (through the AU) are assisting Somalia.
dwnwitjuju
previouslycrackerr
I know of no African countries who are even giving a fraction of a fraction of the assistance the so-called imperialist, werstern countries are giving to famine countries in Africa. If you know, give the details. You made the statement that there are.
The point is that it is the so-called imperialist countries that always have to help out whilst the so-called non-imperialists make noises only. Or read "capitalist" for imperialist. Although the biggest capitlaists behind others backs are the anti-imperialists.
Whatever you may think about America, they are always the ones who have to intervened to make life better for others when the ideologues and anti-imperialists have messed everything up.
The ANCYL wants this country to adopt policies which take the capability out of peoples hands to look after themselves. We saw it in Zimbabwe. You do not get jobs out of the policies. Only the already privileged get even more privileges. Then you find, like
"Zimbabwe with all its rich agricultural land and natural mineral resources, that you are dependent on the so-called west or capitalists or imperialists. Actually not the big bosses who rule the country. They sit pretty and comfortably in their mansions with bunkers and security guards. The do nothing to assist except carrying on with their lavish lifestyles. But the ordinary people with baby's with huge outsized heads compared to thin bodies and thin, matchlike arms and legs, screaming out loud because of hunger pains are the ones who are dependent on the west and imperialists.
The same will happen here once the land is taken away from competent commercial farmers and given to the elitists to pawn with as they like. The average South African will not get land.
MrMarket
Posted 297 days agoYou might have noticed how I took 2 million jobs away from you since 1994. And I will not give them back in a hurry, you will have to get on your knees and beg and do other nasty things the way I want them done if you want new jobs. Oh, and add the 170 000 newly reported jobs lost.
Mr China invited me around and made me feel @ home and I rewarded him handsomly.
I am more powerful than any country in the world.
See how I crushed the "Great" USSR.
I crushed Zimbobwe and took all their money away.
I crushed Cuba, and made them call their worthless money the "CUC".
I crushed N Korea, and a mouthfull of meat there costs a months salary.
When I see a country filled with $$$$$$$$$$'s, I crush it.
Sorry to the innocent bystanders, but that's how I work.
Wiseguy
Sh!t....do u always have to be so dynamic, intolerant and fickle....never mind difficult to please ??
LOL
khallawaya
Rightway
previouslycrackerr
You can of course lay down different rules and interfere with the market. But you have to be very careful and circumspect and only do it to protect the very vulnerable and then the rules must be to ENCOURAGE the market to throw a little to the side for the very vulnerable. Don't try to re-invent or stifle the market. It is a cruel animal if resisted and prescribed to. But it can have a co-operative side favourable to the less fortunate if ecouraged to reveal it.
How can it REALLY benefit the less fortunate? That is up to the less fortunate. Nobody can help them if they are not prepared to take the jump and imerge themselves in the opportunities. How? Details can be worked out and leaders compelled to assist with the attributes required. The alternative would be to interfere with the market. Ouch!!!
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Posted 296 days agoAnd when I see a one sided and a race sensitive economy I crush it too.
Exactly what the boers done to African people.
Because of the boers we are all suffering (Africans) "Mr. Market" today.....so please crush it.
previouslycrackerr
Anyway, you will have to prepare for that run to the hills. The rest of the nation will be chasing you and your little gang for the kill. Little gang? Yes. Very few remaining in the ranks when destitution strikes. No jobs anymore for family or social security funds to draw every month.
See them get really angry when the children scream of pain and hunger while the children of SOME seem quite content with their existence.
Ouch!!!
MrMarket
As you can imagine I'm always very busy. As we speak I am punishing the great US of A and Europe for going against me and my forces.
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Posted 296 days agoPosted 15 minutes ago
........unfortunately @$$$$$$$$$$holes don't believe in you but in Malema's Nirvana and defend this ignorance to death.............
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Vulgar is the way to go...........you see I am better than you.
Joe-Higgins
Are you chavez?
khallawaya
Remote
Posted 296 days agoNice try!
Lootfreely house is really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days. Ignore the troll! He is just here to get you all riled up. There is no use in trying to teach a goldfish matrix algebra.
It just won't get it!
Ndlwananhle-kayi-1
Posted 296 days agopreviouslycrackerr
You are a liar.
I am afraid once again the saviours will be the west and the imperialist capitalists.
Did you read the very interesting opinion piece on the subject here on TL a few days ago? Hey? No. You did not. That was also interesting.
So I am not alone on this little page today to say to you that it is a fact that the western imperialist capitalists are once again undertaking what the anti-western, anti-imperialists, anti-capitalists are not doing despite the latters' continuous condemnation of others who at least show a caring attitude.
By the way, how do you feel about the sentiment by Dollar Boy on this page that the economy must crash even if we see the little ones screaming of pain and hunger with their helpless and definitely then unemployed parents looking on?
previouslycrackerr
Posted 296 days agoThe intensified hurah we are being made aware of is all part of an effort to draw attention away from a very serious matter. Namely the suspicion that some senior leaders in the ANC and its Youth League are not being honest with the country.
The country does not know the details of those individuals' private affairs. The country would not have been very interested either were it not for information that has come to its attention.
But now the country thinks all is not well.
All the country asks for is honesty and integrity. Two attributes so easy to demonstrate without the need for all the excuses and accusations that are taking centre stage.
Remote
"...All the country asks for is honesty and integrity..."
That is your problem right there. You see , it is not profitable.
zwelinapster
Posted 296 days agoI logged in just to say:
CRACKERR ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO CRACKERR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!