Where was the AU when Gaddafi was bombing people, attacking protestors with tanks and automatic weapons? Paying "lip service" to their brother leader with platitudes and offers of weapons? South Africa supplied the sniper rifles being used today by Gaddafi loyalists to kill anything that moves on the streets of Tripoli. The truth is the AU missed an opportunity to take the innitiative years ago and reject Gadaffi from membership to the AU for not complying with AU rules regarding democratic process. Get your own house in order Mr Motlanthe. By the way they are not "Rebels" they are "THE PEOPLE".

The world will never take the AU seriously until they have proved themselves to be a cohesive and trustworthy entity. Their track record and specifically the involvement of South African leaders in resolving issues in Africa has been incredibly poor. The Ivory Coast, Zimbabwe and Darfur issues are cases in point. The famine in the horn of Africa and the AU's inability to deal with it is another example. Mr Motlante you African leaders are big talkers but with no action.
Your opinions matters nothing at all. You have to earn respect and currently nobody in the world respect you guys because of your poor record.

I am no Gaddafi fan, but in reality the NATO forces are not solving absolutely nothing in Libya. Their intention is very clear..regime change. This is the begining of another Afghanistan. Ordinary Libyans will feel the pinch in the long run and turn on their masters again [NATO].

SA is out of touch on Libya. The rebels are people rising up and removing a dictator and oppressor who after 42 years has not delivered or developed his citizens. Kind of like our ANC and other African so called leaders.

If it was not for NATO Gaddaffi would still be in power. This is a warning to African Dictators big brother is watching you.

The VEEP's comment is a good soundbyte.

Naturally, since it emanates from a profoundly tarnished source i.e. anc and au policology it will be discarded with the contempt it almost deserves.

Just because the anc and the au have spent the last decade plus defending and comforting anti-west tyrants at very opportunity does not mean that those winning this war should do so with impunity.

My respect, by and large, though goes to the Libyan people who have managed a tremendous liberation without descending to Sarajevo or Beirut style insanity.

So thanks for the comment Mr Mothlanthe. When we have finished spitting and laughing we'll give it some serious thought.

I have a better idea. Lets investigate ANC/AU and its 'quiet diplomacy'. Lets investigate the documents they keep secret from us on the 'free and fair' elections in Zim. Lets investigate why the AU/ANC recocgnises Bob as president, even though he lost the elections.

NATO doesn't just talk and talk and do sweet nothing like the useless AU.

Probe the African Union for supporting a dictator who has more human rights violations than anybody else, instead of supporting the people who wanted to get rid of him. I just hope that the new government will show South Africa the cold shoulder. But then one cannot expect that the organisation of African dictators will side with the people.

Im sure 25 years ago he would of welcomed NATO involvement here in SA......

New Rule: Never eat cereal when reading comments made by members of the AU (you try laughing and eating at the same time)

If Motlanthe and the useless AU had any say, then Libya would still be under the rule of a dictator (african solution). Supporting dictators is what the AU does, period. The AU finds it most offensive when a dictator is overthrown, especially if help was given by western nations.
Let's face it, in Africa all western nations are good for, is financial hand outs & food packages.

If only he would be as outspoken about the criminals in his own government.

Does our government ever consider the people in these matters? They dont. It was the Lybians who asked for help in establishing a democracy. Nato helped. The Lybians will be gratefull.

It seems our guys prefer the Thabo initiatives, which brought misery to the DRC, keeps Bob Mugabe in power, leads to unresolved political leadership issue in Kenya, muddled Ivory coast where the now deposed "leader " was to be accomodated, before the French sorted it.

No, the SA initiatives only benefit the rulers already in place, no matter how demonic they may be, how traumatic their rule is for their own people. SA does not seem to consider the populations, the people be d#mned!

How can the deputy president get his knickers in a bunch when the president signed the resolution supporting the strikes? Consistency is very important. Similarly, make sure you read and understand the thing before signing it. I also agree with RedCoat - the people of Libya (for the most part) want a regime change. So why is it their opinion doesn't matter? How is this not OK, but the removal of the Nats via this means (if employed) would've been totally acceptable. Both are equally despicable, right?

Can you imagine what would happen if the NATO would request a probe of the killings of Blacks by the ANC in the name of the struggle against Whites? Russia and China's roles would have to be probed too, including the much vaunted Cuito Cuanavale.

This party is too old to understand issues of domination. Its policy formulation is self-centred and misguided, because of its tendency to think on its feet. This is why it changes its views and policy like the wind. It continuously fails to consider that democracy has its own established rules and processes. To develop your own African democracy, because you want to lay hands on its benefits, is the source of this instantaneous expressions that lacks predictable sequencing.

Will Mothlante urge the International Criminal Court to investigate Gaddafi for killing his own people? Would Mothlante even urge the ICC to investigate Mugabe for doing the same?
Let's face it, the issue here with Mothlante is race, he is annoyed because white nations took action, where black nations prefer to do nothing.

so much bigotry on these comments..! gosh people attack the opinion made not the person or his ethnicity..! so much hatred...

Probe Nato commanders, Motlanthe urges court:
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I guess it must be really painful to see Bother Leader running and hiding in holes like a rodent

What about probing Mugabe's commanders who sent an onslaught that killed white farmers in Zimbabwe?

What about probing those ANC generals who allowed Mugabe to get away with it?

Africans are all trying to play the victim now that NATO sorted out their problems once again.

The ANC is sour because they have lost a friend in libya, now they are going to be dealing with a new libya who does not lick african liberation movement a55!

Just another example of the inherent anti-west bias of the ANC.

Without the actions of NATO in bombing Gaddafi's forces to heII and gone, we would by now be seeing the results of a virtual genocide by Gaddafi against his own people!

Without air interdiction, Gaddafi would most certainly, as the Libyan ambassador to SA said yesterday, have killed hundreds of thousands of 'rebel' supporters.

As is quite normal for the ANC, they are again on the wrong side of history as a result of their anti-western, communistic and totalitarian ideology.

Nato had "violated international law . they had a regime-change agenda".

Isn't this more or less what the youth league wanted to do in Botswana?

You and the one showerhead voted for the Resolution 1973 to bomb the innoccent peoples of Lybia and regime change! In normal democracies people like you would resign without further are do for bringing shame in your country! The AU leaders have lost the plot all togethor and the only thing they know is to massage their bellies and egos! What we need to bring back is a man of astute and who will stand his moral ground no matter what! We need Mbeki and we need him now for us to take back the African agenda back into the top of our priorities!

Furthermore we call on the masses to raise a vote of no confidence on the current crop of the leaders of this country, the bringing back of scorpions and the re-opening up of the Arms deal probe! We were mislead by them to support their narrow political ambitions to cling on to power no matter what! Today they want to silence us for speaking truth to power! They will never win and like the rabels of Tunisia and Egypt we are not afraid of taking the fight back to the streets if needs be to win the ANC we know back!

Seriously guys lets stick to the context here, since its attacks in th Balkans NATO has lost all credibility, also remember NATO was created by the West to further its foreign policy of corporate warfare.

The UN resolution did not give any power the right to go beyond implementing the no fly zone, thus far the west has trained rebels who have no record of leadership and provided it with military support so that it does not get its hands dirty Rebels have also confirmed that only NATO and its allies will be beneficiaries of Libya oil!?!

The US has the worst record when it comes to human rights, it has also started over 66wars in the last century which included assinations yet everyone of its leaders has escaped any sort of investigation...the UN, IMF and World bank are just arms of the West.

Obama gets a Noble prize yet he has not delivered on one of his promises to the world or his peole...lets start using our brains and not cut out from western media when putting forward an argument

Motlanthe would do much better to call for a probe of the arms deal... Hypocrite!

Awesome argument using my quotations remote and appropriate name my friend, so give me some of Obama's achievments thats made him so deserved of this award offcourse a comparison with lets say the other nominees such as Piedad Córdoba or the DRC's Denis Mukwege...what cause his black lmao.

And as you seem to know little about facts, lets hope something happens so that the media can discuss how th UN was founded, i would ask but you not really a fan of my own sentences

Probe the Arms Deal first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the kettle calls the pot black!
No pun intended with black!

Rightway......if big brother is watching us......who the hell is wathcing big brother, hheh????

Our so called South African "leaders" should rather keep quiet than comment on organisations such as NATO. All they do is embarrass intelligent South Africans with their stupid utterances.
At least NATO's current objective is to let Libyan citizens have an opportunity to determine their own future. Not like some other countries in Africa where South Africa and the AU have had every opportunity to improve the lot of their citizens and failed dismally.

Guys lets be truthful here yes Gaddafi needs to be overthrown but NATO has no moral credibility at all. There is no way with all the tribal identities that exist in libya you can say now that Gaddafi is gone true democracy is gonna flourish there. I foresse another iraq or afghanistan type of situation in libya that country will never be stable ever again, and yes maybe a civil war amongst the NTC might happen.

HA HA HA HA HA HA............I'm having fun with the kretin-kadres!!!!!

...................The largest organized crime syndicate claiming for justice???????.........HA HA HA HA HA HA............


.......Zuma didn't read the UN memo's part saying there would be bombing involved, but he said yes....busy as he was planning his 'erectioneering campaign' or worrying about his wives directorships.........nor his assessors (w w w.mg.co.za/zapiro/fullcartoon/3523) were alert enough........

.....Only now that the African Medal-Exchange Club is losing the main benefactor, they become visible with the most abject demonstration to save face.....but knowing the impossibility of it becoming anywhere real...........ha ha ha ha ha...............

........And Mbeki's "quiet diplomacy" (shhh-shhh, don't make noises while I strangle you, just die quietly please!), the one who never met an HIV infected earthling..........(who says there is a problem in Zimbabwe???).......is going to succeed with Gadaffi & Co..........HA HA HA HA HA HA ........

...........and on Mothlante's visible attempts at leadership:

"""""........I have considerable respect for the deputy president of our country, Kgalema Motlanthe; he is a decent man. But I was puzzled by his call for ethics to be taught in our schools. That is probably a good idea in a normal society. The problem here is that they are already being taught ethics - by their political elders. When they read in the media one story after another about corruption, they are learning ethics. When they see their parents and siblings trashing the streets of our major cities, they are learning ethics. When they see youth leaders besmirching the reputations of leaders of this and other countries, you better believe the children are learning ethics.

You cannot inject ethics into children by preaching it through the school curriculum, no more than an alcoholic parent can effectively teach an observing child about the dangers of substance abuse. The more powerful curriculum is what children learn about values through everyday observation.

When riotous youth pillaged the shops and destroyed vehicles in major cities in the United Kingdom, starting in north London, the British prime minister returned from his vacation and walked into the middle of a street outside his residence to condemn what went wrong, and to announce what would be done to correct the social delinquency on display in the streets of his country.

When the same kinds of public violence were executed by the Samwu strikers, not a whimper was heard from our leaders.....""""

(today's "Lethargic leadership to blame")

Comrade Kgalema, are you competing with Malema to chase foreign investment away?
Even if Gaddafi has funded your party.

You would strengthen you case if you reminded the world of the free and fair elections Gaddafi has won.

Lets look at the issues at play: Libya is not a signatory to the ICC, nor is the US so enforcement of the Statute of Rome depends on Security Council resolution or the fact that the persons charged with the offence is a resident and/or citizen of a signatory. Gadaffi can face charges arises because of the Security Council resolution the prospects of a resolution against NATO on the whole is the same as the prospects of honesty from the Presidency.



NATO member states all have military disciplinary processes and accountability structures - let us not forget that Parliament toasted Blair on Iraq and a bunch of half-baked (mind the pun) hairy dudes and dude-etes hauled flower power against the Vietnam attrocity. That is what differentiates bad but somewhat democratic states from undemocratic dictatorships ruled by "big men" who terrorize disent and generally make the world a worse place. It is inevitable that the civil society movements within NATO states will speak up against the stupidity and callous behaviour of their governments than the yes-men lets support Brother Leader mentality plaguing Africa.


The problem is not Motlanthe's statement that the court must show the "wherewithal to unearth that information and bring those who are responsible to book" but rather the general generally corrupt relationship between South Africa's head of state and Gadaffi-mania and the AUs consequent support for dictators. If South Africa had an honest approach to the matter our High Commissioner to the United Kingdom would seek assurances from the Ministry of Defence as to investigations on military misconduct as well express its hope that the British public will hold their government accountable for any and all breaches of international law.



The ICC prosecutor should be appraised of offences within the courts jurisdiction and if those offences are not being prosecuted\investigated in the domestic courts cause such prosecution or investigation to take place. However for South Africa to behave as blatently dishonestly as it does on foreign relations is disgusting and makes legitimate criticism of NATOs conduct less powerful, similarly the political agenda persued by certain interest groups is as comical as it is idiotic: For one thing the ICC deals with war crimes not interpreting UN statutes ... ICC and ICJ and PCA different bodies ...

Motlanthe wake up for Christs sake. Why do you think no one takes African leaders seriously anymore? During the Libyan situation you have embarrassed yourselves globally.

Kgalema Motlanthe is a doos just like all the other ANC leaders.

And the relevance of sub-Saharan leaders is what exactly ?


How much did they pledge towards the Somali's famine ?

Even less of a joke, is how much did they actually contribute ?


So, why would Motlanthe even try to raise a voice. With what authority ? AU ?

Remember Gadaffi was until 2 months ago the King of Kings of Africa.





If Motlanthe wants to be relevant in international politics, he should start by stuffing a corkscrewed orifice silencing device in the YL's most embarrassing voice-box.

If you want to be relevant in international affairs (or AU) for that matter, then wipe the sh!t fom your shoes before entering the house, SIR.

Chuck me Farly.