How I agree with you. This dude's ambition knows no end.

Unlike you, however, I lost all respect for him way back in 2009 over the whole leadership tussle between Mbeki and Zuma.

He is the snake that the ANC call their enemies.

Perhaps Sexwale should be warned of the ANC.

This sneaky ANC member has made lots of loot staying outside politics and in the private sector using his connections to become stinking rich on the backs of everyone else in the country.

It's now evident Tokyo is the funding behind Malama. And Malema by his own admission uses "his funds" to support the Youth League. This whole Juju episodes must be understood with Tokyo being the puppet master. One now understands why Mbeki charged him with treason before. It seems he is now up to his old tricks again.

Interest read.

Hugo Chavez springs to mind as a potential benefactor, in exchange for future favours.

it is a known fact that Julius was being used by Harare to further its own interests. Infact the ANC sent Cde Kgalema for a meeting with ZANU PF's Didymus Mutasa to complain about Ole Bobs interference in SA politics.

If there were any rational politicians left in the ANC (which I doubt) I hope that they severely punish those who testified and demanded leniency from the party for the myriad of transgressions committed by Malema. Tokyo, Winnie, Mathews, Fikile et al should see their backsides and be removed from the trough at the next conference. One can but dream...

...and has teamed up with a woman who wants to settle a score with an ex-husband


names please...give us the inside story please.

Been there, done that..... welcome to the club.

The pain and dissapointment is understandable, but perhaps you need to give them another chance post-Mangaung.

The challenge with the ANC is that it has to trim itself down to a modern political party with a clear political ideology. You cannot have a party which is everything to everybody. Unless of course you have very shrewed leaders who know how to manage such a complex organisation. The truth is the conditions that necessitated multiple ideology within the party are no longer in place, at least in their crudest sense.
Trimming down, and having a much sharper focus, I think will assist the party going forward.

Vote DA. They are transforming, slowly but surely. As more blacks come into the fold, so shall the demographic of its leadership. Watch and see. Read up on its historical roots in the Progressive Party to understand its value system.

Malema has learned from past oppressors... the bigger the lie, the more plausible it is to the uninformed sheeple.

@ MrJikelele
Such propaganda only works if the followers are EVEN more gullible, uninformed, unintelligent, delusional, myopic and uneducated than their 'leader'. If that is possible.

Fellow South Africans,

I have no doubt that you are aware of the announcement made yesterday by the National Executive Committee of the ANC with regard to the position of the President of the Republic.

Accordingly, I would like to take this opportunity to inform the nation that today I handed a letter to the Speaker of the National Assembly, the Honourable Baleka Mbete, to tender my resignation from the high position of President of the Republic of South Africa, effective from the day that will be determined by the National Assembly.

I have been a loyal member of the African National Congress for 52 years. I remain a member of the ANC and therefore respect its decisions. It is for this reason that I have taken the decision to resign as President of the Republic, following the decision of the National Executive Committee of the ANC.

I would like sincerely to thank the nation and the ANC for having given me the opportunity to serve in public office during the last 14 years as the Deputy President and President of South Africa.

This service has at all times been based on the vision, the principles and values that have guided the ANC as it prosecuted a difficult and dangerous struggle in the decades before the attainment of our freedom in 1994.
Among other things, the vision, principles and values of the ANC teach the cadres of this movement life-long lessons that inform us that wherever we are and whatever we do we should ensure that our actions contribute to the attainment of a free and just society, the upliftment of all our people, and the development of a South Africa that belongs to all who live in it.

This is the vision of a South Africa that is democratic, non-racial, non-sexist and prosperous; a country in which all the people enjoy a better life.

Indeed the work we have done in pursuit of the vision and principles of our liberation movement has at all times been based on the age-old values of Ubuntu, of selflessness, sacrifice and service in a manner that ensures that the interests of the people take precedence over our desires as individuals.

I truly believe that the governments in which I have been privileged to serve have acted and worked in the true spirit of these important values.

Based on the values of Ubuntu, the significance of which we learnt at the feet of such giants of our struggle as Chief Albert Luthuli, OR Tambo, Nelson Mandela and others, we as government, embarked, from 1994, on policies and programmes directed at pulling the people of South Africa out of the morass of poverty and ensuring that we build a stable, developed and prosperous country.

Accordingly, among many things we did, we transformed our economy, resulting in the longest sustained period of economic growth in the history of our country; we introduced an indigent policy that reaches large numbers of those in need; we made the necessary advances so as to bring about a developmental state, the better to respond to the many and varied challenges of the transformation of our country.

This is, of course not the occasion to record the achievements of government. An additional critical few are however worth mentioning. They include our achievements with regard to many of the Millennium Development Goals, the empowerment of women, the decision to allow us to host the 2010 FIFA Soccer World Cup and our election as a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council two years ago.

Despite the economic advances we have made, I would be the first to say that even as we ensured consistent economic growth, the fruits of these positive results are still to be fully and equitably shared among our people, hence the abject poverty we still find coexisting side by side with extraordinary opulence.

Importantly, we had an obligation to ensure that democracy becomes the permanent feature of our lives and that all our citizens respect the rule of law and human rights. This is one of the cornerstones of our democracy, which we have consistently striven to protect and never to compromise.

We have also worked continuously to combat the twin challenges of crime and corruption, to ensure that all our people live in conditions of safety and security. We must admit that we are still faced with many challenges in this regard.

Work will therefore have to continue to strengthen and improve the functioning of our criminal justice system, to provide the necessary resources for this purpose, to activate the masses of our people to join the fight against crime and corruption, and to achieve new victories in the struggle for moral regeneration.

With regard to the latter, our successive governments from 1994 to date have worked consistently to encourage the entrenchment in our country of a value system whose observance would make all of us Proudly South African, a value system informed by the precept of Ubuntu - umuntu ngumuntu ngabanye. Among other things this means that we must all act in a manner that respects the dignity of every human being.

We have sought to advance this vision precisely because we understood that we would fail in the struggle to achieve the national and social cohesion that our country needs, as well as the national unity we require to enable us to act together to address the major challenges we face.

Fellow South Africans,

Since the attainment of our freedom in 1994, we have acted consistently to respect and defend the independence of the judiciary. For this reason our successive governments have honoured all judicial decisions, including those that went against the Executive. This did not mean that the Executive did not at times have strong views which we would have publicly pronounced upon. The central approach we adopted has always been to defend the judiciary rather than act in a manner that would have had a negative impact on its work.

Indeed, on the infrequent instances when we have publicly expressed views contrary to those of the judiciary, we have done so mindful of the need to protect its integrity.

Consistent with this practice, I would like to restate the position of Cabinet on the inferences made by the Honourable Judge Chris Nicholson that the President and Cabinet have interfered in the work the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA). Again I would like to state this categorically that we have never done this, and therefore never compromised the right of the National Prosecuting Authority to decide whom it wished to prosecute or not to prosecute.

This applies equally to the painful matter relating to the court proceedings against the President of the ANC, Comrade Jacob Zuma.

More generally, I would like to assure the nation that our successive governments since 1994 have never acted in any manner intended wilfully to violate the Constitution and the law. We have always sought to respect the solemn Oath of Office each one of us made in front of the Chief Justice and other judges, and have always been conscious of the fact that the legal order that governs our country was achieved through the sacrifices made by countless numbers of our people, which included death.

In this context it is most unfortunate that gratuitous suggestions have been made seeking to impugn the integrity of those of us who have been privileged to serve in our country's National Executive.

Compatriots,

Again, as you know, we have often pointed to the fact that our liberation movement has always been pan-African in its outlook and therefore that we have an obligation to contribute to the renaissance of the African continent.

All of us are aware of the huge and daunting challenges that face our continent. In the short years since our freedom, as South Africans we have done what we could to make our humble contribution to the regeneration of our continent.

We have devoted time and resources to the task of achieving the Renaissance of Africa because this is what has informed generations of our liberators, even before the ANC was formed in 1912. We have done this fully understanding that our country shares a common destiny with the rest of our Continent.

I therefore thank the many dedicated compatriots - men and women - who have made it possible for us to contribute to the resolution of conflicts and the strengthening of democracy in a number of countries including the Kingdom of Lesotho, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Burundi, Côte d'Ivoire, Comoros, Zimbabwe, Sudan and elsewhere. We have also done this work conscious of our responsibilities as a State Member of both SADC and the African Union.

I would like to thank my colleagues, the many Heads of State and Government on the African continent whose abiding vision is that Africa must be free; that all our countries, individually and collectively should become democratic, developed and prosperous, and that Africa must unite. These African patriots know as I do that Africa and Africans will not and must not be the wretched of the earth in perpetuity.

Similarly we have worked to contribute to the achievement of the aspirations of the countries and peoples of the South, conscious of the need for us to act in solidarity and in unity with the billions with whom we share the common challenge to defeat poverty and underdevelopment.

Accordingly, I depart the Office of President of South Africa knowing that this country has many men and women who have dedicated their lives to ensure that South Africa, Africa and the countries of the South will, in time, manage to ensure a better world for all of humanity.

I depart this Office conscious that the sterling work done by the Presidency, the Ministries and departments, the provinces and local government structures will continue, driven by the determination to achieve the goal of a better life for all.

I am convinced that the incoming administration will better the work done during the past 14-and-half years so that poverty, underdevelopment, unemployment, illiteracy, challenges of health, crime and corruption will cease to define the lives of many of our people.

I have received many messages from South Africans, from all walks of life, through e-mails, telephonically and through cell phone text messages as well as those conveyed through my colleagues. I thank all of you, fellow South Africans, for these messages.

To everyone, and responding to these messages, I would like to say that gloom and despondency have never defeated adversity. Trying times need courage and resilience. Our strength as a people is not tested during the best of times. As we said before, we should never become despondent because the weather is bad nor should we turn triumphalist because the sun shines.

For South Africa to succeed there is more work to be done and I trust that we will continue to strive to act in unity to accelerate the advance towards the achievement of our shared national goals.

In this regard, it may be worth repeating what I said during the inauguration of the President of the Republic in 1999. Using the metaphor of the Comrades Marathon, I said then that:

"Those who complete the course will do so only because they do not, as fatigue sets in, convince themselves that the road ahead is still too long, the inclines too steep, the loneliness impossible to bear and the prize itself of doubtful value."

Once more, I thank you most sincerely for affording me the opportunity to serve you and to serve the people of Africa.

Thank you, Ngiyathokoza, Ke ya Lebogang, Ndo livhuwa, Ndiyabulela, Ndza khensa, Baie dankie, Ngiyabonga

Issued by The Presidency September 21 2008

NeoBlack I agree with you fully. No amount of intelligent persuasion will convince someone who already thinks they know what is right, even if new facts presents themselves. It’s like arguing that the traffic does not exist just because the navigator (GPS) did not mention it.

Viva Player 23 Viva :-).

Viva!

not sure why and when the ANC started hating Mbeki - can you help there? not to dispute anything you say but i guess the ANC has never been united in its whole history. each leader had its own cronies - from tambo to zuma ( not gonna mention Luthuli and back coz i dont have much evidence on them). if you ask pallo or blade or kader they would probably tell a different story about the debate environment under mbeki

‘not sure why and when the ANC started hating Mbeki - can you help there” Obviously one cannot put timeframe to words like hate, just to refresh your memory Mbeki was recalled after some dodgy copied judgment based on some dodgy obtained “recording evidence”, he was called all sort of names(snakes et-all), his mother not sparred as well, t-shirt with his face burned in public now in my books that displayed some degree of hatred towards the man and the need to remove him by hook or crook

ok. i will accept that. but if you rewind your memory a bit - he had his fair share of sheniganism when the balance of forces/power favoured him. for example if you remove the "dodgey" in the incidents you refer too - in your view were they honourable deeds or acts befitting a president?

We have heard of this “forces and faceless people” you allude to, but no proper substantiating evidence was ever brought forward, the way in which the current leadership ascended to power leave a bad taste in my mouth, if JZ had nothing to hide why go all out to stop having his day in court, and ooh, initially he said he wanted his day in court and when he was just about to get it he started singing a different tune. As a ordinary tax-paying citizen I feel violated that my hard earning money is in the hands of someone with a cloud hanging on top of his head

but some of these did not need to be paraded in public. what i am saying is that there was suffient evidence for Mokotedi Mpshe who had vowed that his decision to prosecute was unshakable - he would do it again even if you wake him up midnight to withdraw the prosecution. or you think that was also stage managed? my point is mbeki had his own skeletons just like kgalema and tokyo and majali regarding alleged violating UN resolutions in Iraq

"did not need to be paraded in public" if not how am i suppose to make an informed decision when casting my vote, all i hear about the current leadership is their unshakable need to get close to the state resources and loot as much as possible, Mbeki might have skeletons in the closet but he spend the his term in the office governing the country and not putting out fires, with JZ forget about governing the country thats the last thing on mind, the administration cannot even put out fires in time, all we hear is the need to follow due process while our people go hungry while the gate keepers loof the coffers in day-light

loof = loot

Tazzman - i am not trying to compare this admin to the preceeding admin lest i also be charge like malema (and cry like a baby when DC suspends me). realistically and honestly speaking- do you think unemployment and poverty has just arisen under the JZ admin?

by skeletons in mbeki's cabinet - i meant things like unemployment and poverty. cde mbeki created a few billionaires and the economy grew for, i dont know how many years, but every year jobs were losts and poverty grew.

@Tazzman, my man Mbeki spent some of his time in office also putting out fires.

1. Arms deal well he had selective amnesia about meeting the arms dealers in France but the High Commissioner’s diary proves that he did meet them. When the tender had closed, he re-opened it and I wonder why. Let’s just hope that the Commission of Enquiry into the arms deal does give us the answers that we as a country have been looking for and those found to have done wrong get prosecuted.

2. His AIDS /ARV stance well that created an estimated 350,000 skeletons in his closet due to his intellectual debating skills. While people were dying he was busy debating intellectually whether ARVs should be rolled out or not. To make matters worse his alternative together with that of his then Health Minister made us the laughing stock of the world.

3. His stance on Zim, well we know what has become of that country and how we as a country under his leadership added fuel to the fire.

Having said that I’m not pro Pres Zuma nor am I pro Pres Mbeki, I just thought that I should say my two cents worth in this debate between yourself and Noms :-).

On the contrary me think we should be comparing the administrations, that is only yardstick to determine how we are doing as a country, you are right to point out that all this socio-economic challenges were also present during Mbeki's tunure, but the real question we should be asking ourself is what has the current administration did since they recalled Mbeki, remember this is the admininstration the promised us: free basic services, 5mil job opportunuties, improved health services, improved housing delivery but all they managed to do since they came in was to: perpertuate a culture of tenderpreneurship, allow corruption to eat out morality, award midiocracy, redeploy rather than solve, spew in the face of the electorate(especially the poor-ala R100m party celebrations, so called kissing conference etc)

@ PSG, I'm not saying Mbeki was not putting out fires, all i'm saying is when you have an administration that delivers a 2hour judgement to suspend someone calling for a robust debate on the country's burning issue(s) and on the same breadth spend less than 5 minutes to tacitly imply that it has fired some of the ministers you really have your priorities mixed up, why cant we channel the same effort and vigour to corruption, mal-administration, mis-management, accountability etc

Tazzman - i agree. there hasnt been much done especially to help the poor economically. not sure how much time you need for that - you cannot blame these guys for their job targets becoz after making those commitments THe Whole World Went Bankrupt. no single economy has managed to create jobs (save for china) in thelast 3 years. give credit to blade and aron motsoaledi - they making inroads in their respective sectors.gugile is also promising with land reform. as for wastefull expenditure - there is no excuse, people should have been fired. let me tell you my view - collapse provinces (not to spite Zille) and service delivery will improve by 30% immediately. we need a strong competent centralised admin in this country then things will move quickly. that is why national treasury and auditor general works - now joined by home affairs. just waiting to get a competent defence minister

Tazzman Tazzaman my man, under Pres Mbeki corruption was managed and hidden cleverly by those in power unlike the current administration which does things in the open without any vaseline . Let me give you two classical examples of what I mean.
1. Remember Andile Ngcaba the DG of Communications, he’s one of the richest man in SA through his involvement when he was the DG of the very same Government department that he was the CEO of :-).
2. Then came Lindel Shoppe (DG of Communications after Andile Ngcaba) if you go to the declaration book of the Gauteng Legislature she has business interests worth more than R200m and if you follow closes you’ll also find that that her businesses also got contracts from the very same department that she used to be a DG for.
Pres Mbeki’s administration also promised most if not all of the things you are mentioning about Pres Zuma’s administration.

@ PSG - It always puzzels me how most people never forget to mention the HIV/Aids issue when talking about Mbeki, I fully agree a lot of lifes could or should have been saved by the "miraculous" ARV's, but what is talked about now is that people continue to die now though we have a huge ARV's roll out, poor Mbeki continue to be blamed for life-changing decision taken by private individual on thier own accord, Mbeki might have been wrong in his stunts but that was not a licence to people to stop using their brains

@ PSG - holla skhokho!!!! i get the sense that the TAZZMAN is trying very hard to support or defend Mbeki or at best do a Mbeki versus Zuma analysis. the issue here is about discipline and the ANC Youth League officers. i still dont understand why people feel malema is being disciplined by zuma and not the anc? like you i am not a zuma or mbeki person - i am an anc cadre who wants an efficient clean anc that can bring more hope to the marginalised people of my country. malema has called for the real leaders of the anc to stand up and defend it - i am still wondering defend it against who?

@ Noms - I never buy an argument that tends to shift the responsibility towards factore beyond our control like "global economic meltdown", in fact it is used as a scape goat for everything, people need to be held accountable for their promises, if you meet me and win my heart by promising to marry me, dont come back to me and say reason i cant marry is bacause all my father's cattle we struck by lightning, as a man you have to devive and plan and make sure you honour your commitment. Come 2014 they(rulling party) will take the 2009 manisfesto change dates and parade it again like its going to work next time around. As for Aaron and gentleman is making good inroads hence my argument about some level of teriary edecucation before you get elected to the highest position in the country, i honestly dont know how the idea of collapsing provnces will help us, sometimes is not about the car its about the driver and you can try and panel-beat the car as much as you like you will still get the same results as long as you have the same driver in the same dirt road

@Tazzman, people still remember it coz it was history in making. He could have saved hundreds of lives had he said yes let's roll it out even when presented with facts by Doctors that ARVs do save lives, he still wanted an intellectual debate on the matter.

Had he taken that stance right from the beginnning I wonder if our mortality rate due to HIV/AIDS would be where it is today. We can only speculate on that :-).

TAZZMAN - i hear you about education (which rules the malema, mbalula tokyo and kgalema unless they run to unisa fast). my arguement with provinces is simple - like i gave you departments that are managed from pretoria - if they have the right people they can come up with a plan and implement and take flack or credit depending on the outcomes. currently province have their own rules, targets and politiking to do - which in most cases other conflict with national or overlaps with national. by driver i assume you mean officers not organisations? besides they cost us more money for nothing - so collapse provinces and get competent ministers and DGs and everything will fall into shape quick - except for poverty and unemployment; that may take some time. you can get hamilton or fellipe etc but if you give them a tractor, they will never win formula 1

@Tazzman you are contradicting yourself my man.

This is what you wrote earlier ”Mbeki might have skeletons in the closet but he spend the his term in the office governing the country and not putting out fires, and later you wrote “I'm not saying Mbeki was not putting out fires, all i'm saying is when you have an administration that delivers a 2hour judgement to suspend.”


Now which is which my man?

@ Nomakaanjane, Holla Skhokho sami. How are you mfana.

Tazzman is really trying hard to defend the wrongs of Pres Mbeki and measure them against the current Pres. Wrong is wrong finish and klaar.


Mfethu ngibusy ngifunana nesithuthu. My Minister of Finance ngoyitshela sengisithengile :-). I can put up with the couch for 2 or 3 days ha ha ha!!!

Okusalayo ngobe nginaso :-).

@ Noms - I'm not in any camp, never was and never will, all i'm concered about is the voiceless and marginalised poor who are being coerced to vote the same party, cross thier fingers for 5 years hoping for a different results. Mind you the rulling party relies on the illiterate majority to put it back in power(hence the current sorry state of our education system), i bet if we were to have a separate ballot from the registered tax-payers we might get a different results

eish my Groot B - i think you are taking a very simplistic view of SA in 94. to tell you what we had then - all the former homelands and self governing territories were a mess, the black part of the then RSA was was a bigger mess, the economy was in a very big mess, policing and the justice system was a total mess etc. which part of RSA had that great nation?

@Beelzebub I think you would make more sense quite than saying anything. Least u can afford to talk about class and refer to others as bigots and uneducated. Your education and class is not doing us any good.

"... so vulgar and so racist they offend...across colour spectrum".

You know that is not entirely true, but for some opportunistic reason, you throw the assertion in. Yes, the ANC is far from ideal. It is very much on the backfoot at the moment. However, that does not mean other people should suddently present themselves as holier than thou, and assume moral high-ground.
It is very 'courageous' for any white person in south africa today to charge the ANC of racism.

howzit Rasco - missed the content of the article perhaps? read again

Me too, I think you should read the post "again".

LOL, Sure am still. i had to punish these people (Times) for downgrading the site. I liked the first one. Anyway what is your original ID.

Your vote?

Sure I knew just that I didnt want to guesse. So, did you miss me my old friend? Mina i did, LOL

But that does not mean we are friends unless you have changed.LOL

I dont know what makes you angry or who you fighting, but if it the Black brother than i'm on his side.

Now what you say?

wake up dude - malema and tokyo own lands in the most expensive areas of this country. they are the last people to help you on that one - they have high walls and bunkers to keep the likes of you away !!! bwahahahahahaa - get an honest revolutionery then we will all support you - not malema not tokyo not their projects

Juxwale - there is nobody that does not agree with you that things need to be done to enhance economic opportunities for everybody in SA. The Government has pumped billions into community development programmes - but a massive amount of that has been looted by the likes of the PURPLE PIMP. The problem is that demagogues have a way to convince people they are there to support them - while they loot resources themselves mercilessly..

Mugabe is a massive looter, Chavez is another one - Gaddafi probably the biggest crook ever. That is not western propaganda - it is given fact. Malema got hold of money - enough to want to rebuilt his home in Sandton. If he was interested in the poor would he wear writwatches costing R250 000 and designer clothes that the fashion police should ban - bright purple suit costing probably R50 000. Live in Sandton in a house costing R3 500 000 and having the house demolished to build a R16 000 000 one.

Come now sir - lets agree that Malema sell his sole for money and while drinking imported French Champahne and Johnny Walker Blue - mouth something off about the poor - what a farce.

And those African countries who chose not to reconcile are war zone hell holes........that is why we find these immigrants risking their lives jumping over fences into 'reconciled" land. Use your kop you dom kop.........the ANC was never going to allow South Africa to become a DRC hell hole.

sorry mate - you sound like way back in the 17th century, in this day and age we talk about accountability and transparancy. you cannot preach what you don't live - that is exactly why politicians take advantage of uneducated people - they tend to be hoodwinked into your proposed philosophy quite easily. sorry mate influence is won on the pricnciple not stolen wealth. read history and you will see who the real revolutionaries were and what they owned.

Land is going to be redistributed in such away that comforts investors and satisfies the landless..........that is what the ANC stands for.

RIP sir

Poverty knows no skin colour. With the millions of poor blacks there are 800 thousand whites. Malema admitted that he is against the rich whites only. That is Marxism. I want what you have got. Give it to me now or i will take it with force. It is not workable. Never was. Never will be. There will be civil war. That is why Malema has been silenced. The ANC are doff but not that doff. So go and get an education work hard and earn money to invest. That is the Capitalist way.
Reward for skills and capital investment. Take that away and the economy collapses like Zimbabwe. But you know that or are you like Malema still a learner of what makes the world go around.

Whenever I see Black and White people fighting I back a Black brother. It by default I cant help it.LMAO

how so? it should be easier now than then?

True that may his sould rest in peace.

Condolences to his family and friends.

As for TL censoring our comments or blocking them all together, the Info Bill will give them a taste of their own medicine.

So much for freedom of speech ect from these media houses yet they see fit on cencosring us.

Well said.