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Sat May 26 13:54:55 SAST 2012

Selebi prison reprieve

KHETHIWE CHELEMU and MCKEED KOTLOLO | 05 December, 2011 00:0943 Comments

Jackie Selebi's lawyers are heading for the office of the registrar of the Johannesburg High Court this morning to ask that his bail be extended because, they say, he is too sick to go to jail.

The disgraced former national police commissioner, who is out on bail of R20000, was to have reported to Johannesburg prison at 10am yesterday to begin his 15-year sentence for corruption.

But Selebi, 61, was admitted to Jacaranda Hospital, Pretoria, on Friday, shortly after collapsing at his home in the wealthy suburb of Waterkloof.

The former chief of international policing agency Interpol collapsed after the Supreme Court of Appeals dismissed his appeal against his conviction and sentence. He was given 48 hours in which to report to prison, which expired at 10am yesterday.

Selebi's lawyer, Wynanda Coetzee, said yesterday that she would ask the registrar for a bail extension.

But she would not confirm reports that Selebi had had a stroke and would need surgery.

"I cannot confirm that it is a stroke. We are waiting to get a report from his permanent specialist," she said.

But Hawks spokesman MacIntosh Polela said on Twitter: "Selebi is not talking coherently and not participating in discussions."

Correctional Services' national commissioner, Tom Monyane, said: "We have to be considerate about this. We cannot incarcerate someone who is unwell."

He said his department could not arrest people who did not comply with a court order.

"We are not an arresting agent; we are an incarceration agent."

He said the department had not received a written submission from Selebi's lawyers or his family.

Coetzee said Selebi's family was distressed by the Appeals Court verdict.

"The family is very stressed, especially his wife, Anne, but they are all worried about his medical condition," said Coetzee.

She denied that Selebi's lawyers had asked the Department of Correctional Services for a seven-day extension to allow him to recover in hospital, saying, "That's news to me."

Sipho George Nene, South Africa's permanent representative at the UN in Geneva, visited Selebi yesterday afternoon, accompanied by Selebi's wife.

Two women, who had arrived earlier, were refused permission to see him by hospital authorities acting on the family's instructions.

When Nene left the hospital he refused to talk to reporters at the hospital's gate.

A short time later, a man believed to be Selebi's cousin arrived with other relatives and, on seeing the reporters, muttered in Setswana: "Why can't they leave us alone?"

It was reported yesterday that Selebi had had a stroke which caused him to lose sensation in his left side. It was also reported that he had kidney problems and high blood pressure, and was scheduled to undergo surgery in February.

Selebi was convicted of receiving money and gifts from convicted drug trafficker Glenn Agliotti, who at the time he referred to as "my friend, finish and klaar".

Apart from paying his medical bills, Agliotti gave Selebi R150000 and an unspecified amount in US dollars, and showered him with expensive gifts and designer clothing.

Agliotti had nothing to say about his former friend's impending incarceration .

"I have got no comment for the press, thank you," he said tersely yesterday.

Making matters worse for Selebi was Assets Forfeiture Unit head Willie Hofmeyr, who said yesterday that now that the appeal was over, Selebi would have to hand over the cash Agliotti gave him, an amount now revised up to R230000.

"We obtained a court order last year in July which stated that Selebi had to pay back the money with 15.5% interest from the date on which the order was made," said Hofmeyr.

Justice Department spokesman Tlali Tlali said the department had begun recovering more than R15-million the state had spent on Selebi's legal costs.

"We're treating the matter as a normal debt-recovery process, which will not start off by demanding [that] assets be attached. Let's not get carried away," Tlali said.

The DA's prisons spokeman, James Selfe, was sceptical about Selebi's medical condition, saying: "We trust Selebi will not contract a sudden case of Schabir Shaik-itis and that his current condition is, in fact, genuine."

Selfe said medical parole was now harder to receive after the amendment of the Correctional Services Act.

  • Selebi vowed: "These hands are clean" in 2006 following a Sunday Times exposé of the inner workings of mafia-style organisations involving senior policemen.

But Johannesburg High Court judge Meyer Joffe described Selebi as an embarrassment to South Africa and the police in his judgment in August last year.

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COMMENTS [43]

I984

Posted 173 days ago
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So many males. So few men.

Anonymousse

Posted 173 days ago
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The wheels of justice do turn...

TheLooseGoose

Posted 173 days ago
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Listeners to Tokyo Sewale's daughter Kay , between 04h00 and 06h00 daily on 702 , would have heard this bright young lady being "snookered" .

A caller , correctly in my opinion , pointed out that a man like Derby Lewis who has pulled 16 years in the tank and now suffers from cancer , will be left to die in jail , while Shaik who has a "life threatening terminal illness" drives around in a new top of the range Merc (possibly acquired from ill gotten proceeds) free to do as he pleases .

Selebi deserves no sympathy at all - he must be treated from within the walls of "Sun City" in orange garb . Just as we had black monday - saffers ought to wear orange , until this ageing scoundrel is committed to prison .

What was it that some poster once said about dogs and trees .......

pan

Posted 173 days ago
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Correctional Services' national commissioner, Tom Monyane, said: "We have to be considerate about this. We cannot incarcerate someone who is unwell."


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But you do it all the time, its just that they are not ANC connected scum, so do not get a reprieve.

Funnily enough, Derby Lewis (who totally deserved his sentence) is sicker than both Selebi and Shaik, cannot even get parole.
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I984

Posted 173 days ago
"We cannot incarcerate someone who is unwell" sound exactly like former Home Affairs minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqacula's famous sentence on tv: "You cannot simply fire someone because they are incompetent".

If this precedent and 'logic' is to be followed - no convicted criminal will ever avail himself to begin their prison sentence. Ever.

Selebi's ambulance picture - and especially the look in his eyes - shown in the news says it all.
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BornintheRSA

Posted 173 days ago
1984 - Yes, that ambulance picture speaks a thousand words. But let's not harbour on that one in case the media takes the blame.
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I984

Posted 173 days ago

@ Born, the media will only be blamed after PSG joins this thread :)
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ThePurplePimp

Posted 173 days ago
Very good point.Some are more equal than others. The Times Live can wipe all other comments and leave yours on.The killing of Hani did not damage the ordinary South African as much as the damage Selebi's protection of drug lords did and is still doing to the ordinary South African household that is dealing with drug addicted children.Selebi truly did unmeasurable damage to the country.
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BlackTsunami

Posted 173 days ago
@ThePurplePimp,

Those are wild allegations you are making. Can you provide us with hard evidence? Where is the causal link between what selebi did, and 'ordinary south africans' suffering from drug addiction? what is the actual number of people who suffered as a result of selibi's actions? Yours are just empty speculations
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ThePurplePimp

Posted 173 days ago
I have worked with the families of Drug Addicts for 20 years and the victims families of crime and the damage my friend is something you will never comprehend unless you yourself were a family member of a victim. The death of Hani was devastating on Hani's family but it faded immediatly as you moved further down to his friends and then onto those that knew him only politically. But ALL South Africans black, white, coloured and indian are dealing on a day to day basis of seeing their 12 yr old daughters walking the streets as prostitutes for a fix.Crime ridden streets where murder is our daily bread, corruption our daily reality that leaves 10's of thousands destitute. Hani was one man who gave a blurred hope of invisible things to come whereas Selebi gave us the reality of despair.
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I984

Posted 173 days ago
" BlackTsunami
Posted 38 minutes ago
@ThePurplePimp,

Where is the causal link between what selebi did, and 'ordinary south africans' suffering from drug addiction?"

The only possible explanation for such comment must be that it was a joke.
The second possible explanation - your choice of username. Have you seen tsunami aftermath pictures?

If the comment was serious - then read this:

h t t p://w w w.timeslive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2011/12/04/shame-on-those-who-sold-our-integrity-to-save-their-skins

Then (maybe, just maybe!) you will hopefully get it........?

BornintheRSA

Posted 173 days ago
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I do not know the numbers or facts but my thinking is that there must be sick, infirm, aged and terminal people in South African jails. Those who have no political influence and have to serve their time - even if in a prison hospital. This Selebi deserves nothing better. He was particularly haughty prior to and during his trial. He is a mortal like the rest of us and must be incarcerated for 15 years. If he is to be an exception, then why punish the rest. Let's be empathetic to the ill and let's be fair to all. Shabir Shail made a mockery of the medical parole board.

Mnbvcxz0

Posted 173 days ago
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Pity he is not Jackie Chan, he would have kung fued his way out of Sun City. He is not even Morgan Freeman, Morgan would have acted his sickness more convincingly. Luthuli House be warned!

TheLooseGoose

Posted 173 days ago
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I have always wondered about this police spokesperson - when he was on ETV his name was Mackintosh Nzimande - now he is Col Mackintosh Polela . Can anyone explain this .
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Mnbvcxz0

Posted 173 days ago
He's hiding his identity, he is subject to a witness protection plan?. He is camera shy? eTV could not spell his real surname? He is a double agent?
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AMS-Dammer

Posted 173 days ago
When they wake in the morning, they stretch their arms.... and say... "Eish.... today I feel like a Colonel..... no wait... a General"!!!!

Banana Republic of note!!!!!
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cj715

Posted 173 days ago
read his book, titled "my father, my monster", you will know why his surname is no longer Nzimande.
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amaKK

Posted 173 days ago
It's well publicised why this is the case. Something to do with severing links to his 'real' father for being a b@st@rd or something. It's all in his book:

'My father, my monster'
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Mnbvcxz0

Posted 173 days ago
You guys have me in stiches.

ooooooooo

Posted 173 days ago
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Selebi is but a small fish in a very big pond. The real culprits like Zuma ,Mbeki,Mahraj,Cele,Nkabinda,Joemat Petterson,Block,the Gupta family,The Shaik family,and many more are walking free and loot the state coffers on a daily basis. By putting this guy in jail they divert all the attention away from themselves. Whether he goes to jail or not will not change Outh Africa one iota. Corruption in government is a standard not the exception. Who have we got to thank. ANC.
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TheLooseGoose

Posted 173 days ago
Baas , I heard that Judge Willem Heath has madesome utterances - not seen on TL . Just checking . BTW , you seem to have neglected to mention Krecir and von Kolbatshenko (Palasolo)

TheLooseGoose

Posted 173 days ago
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No comments facility opened on the Thandi Maqubela thread - may I extend my deepest sympathies to the loved ones of the late Detective Joe Dryden - killed this weekend in a car accident . (these noises in my head keep reminding me how McApe up north , seems to have dliuted opposing or dissenting opinions , in the same car accident manner) .

Trusting this was not the case with Joe .

MisterWendal

Posted 173 days ago
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I think Sad Sack Selebi will look cool in prison-issue orange!

the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 173 days ago
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Well doesn't he look happy and smug in that second picture?

ooooooooo

Posted 173 days ago
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I must admit he does not look like someone who just had a stroke. The problem is that the symem has been broken a long time ago in South Africa and we can expect more and more of this farcicle behaviour from the ANC leadership. They say there is no honour amongst thieves and it shows.

Truth-Speaker

Posted 173 days ago
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Dear correctional services and South African courts, I'm about to be imprisoned for stealing money from the poor taxpayers of your country and the biased judge gave me a 10 years prison sentence. I hereby wish to bring to your attention that I have a terminal illness called erectile dysfunction, I know you are saying to yourselves that the illness is not life threatening and that probably most of you have it; but in my case its worse. My wife likes her sex very much and if she doesn't get it, she will kill me or better yet I will kill myself before she kills me. This is life threatening,right? Oh ya, before I forget, I paid for Zuma's 3rd marriage so you know what to do.

OTTOOTTO

Posted 173 days ago
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Eish! these people have even failed to 'spin' doctor this properly. When a convicted criminal is ill or gravely ill in hospital - police stand guard at the hospital bed with the criminal chained to the bed. The convicted criminal lies there dying or recuperating whilst the policeman/woman reads hustler or watching porn on his/her mobile phone at the bottom of the hospital bed. They leave only when a properly vetted medical practitioner (not a family doctor or his medic buddy) is attending the convicted criminal patient. That is when that last bonking incidence took place between a bored policewoman and a correctional officer. So they do in fact and on a daily basis arrest and incarcerate very ill convicted criminals. In addition correctional facilities have state of the art prison hospitals staffed by competent doctors some coming from the army. Convicted Criminal Boss of the Underworld Selebi's condition isn't that serious to deserve another day out of prison. All his previous victims are patiently waiting for him on the inside - julle met kruis-oop arms wag jou binnekant, Groot Komandant Selebi, to finish and klaar met jou.

zindela

Posted 173 days ago
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Agreed, and let every prisioner free on the grounds that they are unwell; a country-wide Inmate-Rebellion would bring chaos too; what would happen if all Inmates collectively collapsed, slurred their speech and lay, unmoving, on prison floors and in court yards?

buddi

Posted 173 days ago
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Seems like Selebi is now "finish and klaar". So much arrogance makes the fall even greater.

Rightway

Posted 173 days ago
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Selebe will be molly coddled. We all know that. He is ANC brass. The ANC know how how to look after there own. The only thing he has done wrong in their books is to be caught. If it was not for Sullavin that would not have happened. From Mbeki, Zuma and those that Bass Frik and other,s have mentioned will be making sure he is kept in the lap of luxury in the unlikely case they might be following him.

Mnbvcxz0

Posted 173 days ago
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I am feeling warm and cosy as write this comment, reminding myself that freedom is a priledge I had to work for, i.e. don't steal, don't rob, don't do no crime. I can now stand up and get a cup of coffee, or may be later. All these are nice choices I would not have had had I decided to get rich quickly.

augustrain

Posted 173 days ago
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SELEBI IS ON DIALYSIS AND NEEDS A KIDNEY TRANSPLANT_ ENEWS donations anyone?

Razzo

Posted 173 days ago
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I am an ANC member in good standing and I vote as such: I am appauled and ashamed at the pain and embarrasment Jackie Selebi has caused this country as a whole and not just the organisation. I think he is using delay tactics to delay his movement to SunCity. I think he should serve his time as he has done the crime.......sies Jackie!! We dont need role models like that in the organisation. We need honest, decent and hard working cadres and leaders who will inspire the youth to create a just society and a progressive one......

Having said that however, it is interesting to see just how everyone who is anti ANC is shouting from the roof tops about corruption and bad leaders and yet none of you ANC-bashers are calling for an open probe into the apartheid billions which were stole by the previous white masters. Everyone here speaks like a snake: "burn them, jail them lock them and throw away the keys" is what you lot shout but turn a blind eye with sealer in your mouths about billions of South african Rands stolen by your ex leaders...........what a shame!! I can see the egg all over your faces!! Sies!!!
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ooooooooo

Posted 173 days ago
Razzo it is interesting that you see people that are against corruption as anti ANC. i do not know if you realise it but you are actually endorsing the fact that the ANC is a corrupt entity. I do not disagree with you but it is interesting that you will admit on the one hand to be an ANC member and on the other that they are corrupt. What are you then????

Nobody is stopping anyone from launching an open probe into into the stolen apartheid millions as you allege. It is just that this article is about Selebi and not about apartheid millions.

AntonGoosen

Posted 173 days ago
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I hear they are already talking to Morgan Freeman to play Selebi in the movie about his life... apparently it will be titled "Convictus"...
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Mnbvcxz0

Posted 173 days ago
Nice one.

Razzo

Posted 173 days ago
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Clive Derby Lewis and Janus Walus are murderes and deserve to go to hell if you ask me. Again some of you always advance for the bringing back of the death penalty but because these guys are the right colour, you want them to be released on medical parole. Gentlemen, these are murderers not fraudsters. They pulled a trigger and killed a man, a leader and an honest South African leader.....now you would have us believe that he is justified medical parole.

This is a case of utmost national security and should they be released, I reckon hell shall descend upon our country. Comparing Derby Lewis a cold blooded killer to Selebi or Shaik, 2 thieves, is very disturbing. Shaik should not have recieved medical parole and Selebi doesnt deserve it either....2 wrongs never make a right.....especially when there is a cold blooded assasin. Derby Lewis must fry in hell!!!
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Ultimatum-1

Posted 173 days ago
Big up!
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Ultimatum-1

Posted 173 days ago
@ Baas

Glen aglioti should be the Cell mate of Selebi, I think!

Mnbvcxz0

Posted 173 days ago
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At this rate, the man is engraving his name deeply next to our historical icons and I believe he's taking the lift up to the Presidential Suite, i.e. he is our next president. Our Mandela was realesed at 72, meaning Selebi is 11 years too young to say he's too old for prison. At 76, Selebi will be released and a huge welcome bash will be held at FNB, followed by a few Codesa meetings with the then President (I think Malema) and will agree that in the past 15 years Nationalisation destroyed the country and should be abandoned. This will be followed by a premature National Elections, Selebi being voted president.

Mnbvcxz0

Posted 173 days ago
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Matthew 25: ...I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.

OTTOOTTO

Posted 172 days ago
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Groot Komandant Selebi finally spending the night in Pretoria Central Prison. Finished!