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Sat May 26 14:04:43 SAST 2012

Mbeki now ANCYL darling

SIPHO MASONDO | 10 January, 2012 23:15
OUT OF THE MAIN SPOTLIGHT: Former president Thabo Mbeki and ANC Youth League president Julius Malema have a good laugh during the ANC's centenary celebrations at Mangaung in Bloemfontein yesterday Picture: SIMPHIWE NKWALI

The ANC Youth League is pushing for former president Thabo Mbeki to be more vocal on the economy and politics.

Speaking on SAfm radio yesterday, suspended youth league leader Julius Malema said it will ask for a meeting with Mbeki to convince him that he should become more visible and vocal.

League spokesman Floyd Shivambu said: "W e will seek an audience with him ... currently he is benefiting other countries outside South Africa. He expresses opinions about Libya etcetera but never comments about the local dynamic, be it political or economic."

There have been reports that the league previously asked Mbeki for a meeting. But The Times has been reliably informed that Mbeki asked the league to get the approval of the ANC leadership.

Malema was seen sharing a joke with Mbeki in Mangaung at the weekend during the ANC centenary celebrations.

Mbeki's spokesman, Mukoni Ratshitanga, dismissed the reports of previous attempts by the youth league to set up a meeting with Mbeki.

But he said Mbeki would have no objection to a meeting with the youth league.

"The former president has indicated that he is willing to meet any South African provided that he has time. The request will be considered like other requests."

Shivambu denied that the league had previously asked for a meeting with Mbeki: "It never happened before, we couldn't have hidden it."

Malema, who played a big part in Mbeki's firing in 2008, told SAfm that Mbeki's decision not to comment on domestic policy "is depriving us of that intellectual wealth".

"I wish Mbeki would reconsider his decision not to participate," Malema said.

Malema and the youth league also played a critical part in the 2007 removal of Mbeki as ANC president.

Malema called on the ANC's n ational e xecutive c ommittee to recall Mbeki in 2008 "or the youth league would do it itself".

This was after the Pietermaritzburg High Court acquitted Jacob Zuma of corruption charges, saying they were politically motivated. At the time Malema was a big ally of Zuma, saying the league was prepared to take up arms and "kill" for him.

After the ANC charged Malema for, among other offence s, comparing Zuma with Mbeki, last year, his relationship with Zuma soured.

He then changed his tune and said Mbeki was the best leader the ANC had produced.

Malema was quoted as saying that the only problem with Mbeki was "failing to allow the leadership of the ANC to decide on who they wanted in the leadership, and for wanting a third term in leading the organisation".

Since his fallout with Zuma, Malema has increasingly questioned the president's leadership performance.

ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu declined to comment.

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Posted 136 days ago
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From the rediculuos to the sublime. Only in the ANCYL. How can anybody take these jokers seriously. The ANCYL is like a rudderless ship in a very stormy ocean.
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BornintheRSA

Posted 136 days ago
They're just clutching at straws wherever they can. If the ANCYL membership was worth anything, they would have replaced these suspended leaders by now.
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Timbuktoo

Posted 136 days ago
What I would like to know is:

How come they still MOUTHING OFF THE ODDS..... when they should be suspended.... and MUZZLED??????????
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staren

Posted 136 days ago
And the sad part is that people do actually take these jokers seriously...
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Maxi

Posted 135 days ago
You and TimesLive take them serious and give them more attention. Every article about ANCYL is open for comments and people like you enjoy commenting about the ANCYL. This shows that they play an important role in your live. Without them live is boring in South Africa and news are not news without Malema.

Thoth

Posted 136 days ago
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When are they ever gonna learn that you can't eat your cake and have it. They have no credibility of their own, they have achieved anything worthwhile and they are like parasites that attach themselves to a host and then draw its blood to depletion. Their aim here is not to highlight Mbeki's unique intelligence and leadership but to annoy his arch nemesis Zuma. When Malema says ' Mbeki is an intelligent man, an ANC product etc" he is trying to say Zuma is dumb and a poor leader. The YL is a dead horse that will get the youth of SA nowhere really fast. Frik I like your comments, one thing people should learn is that being critical of the ANC is not one and the same thing as being racist. Most ANC critics have the country's true interests at heart and not all whites supported the Nationalist government, some even voted against it. We have true brothers in our midst albeit wearing a different skin tone. Never assume at face value that the person of a same skin tone as you is a brother.
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Thoth

Posted 136 days ago
....they have achieved nothing worthwhile.....
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Timbuktoo

Posted 136 days ago
New ANCYL Motto: "HAND JOBS.... FREE HAND JOBS"!!!!!
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Ozgood

Posted 136 days ago
Did not Malema play a part in the ousting of Mbeki?

EG Kil for Zuma, Die for Zuma!

They would make strange bedfellows.

Mbeki is no fool and probably sees through Malema
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TheUnknownTruth

Posted 136 days ago
I suggest an even better motto for the youth league. In Latin:

“Ecce, stercus pro cerebro habemus”

Loosely translated - BEHOLD, WE HAVE MANURE INSTEAD OF BRAINS!

pan

Posted 136 days ago
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When Mbeki was ousted, I stated that he could potentially qualify to run again for President as he had not completed two terms. Watch this space.
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Timbuktoo

Posted 136 days ago
Mbeki = Vladimir Putin?


ROFLMAO!!!

Cannot see Thabo in a Cammo Suit....

ROFLMAO!!!!!

SihleKam

Posted 136 days ago
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I am not so worried about fat sweaty Juju or Mbeki as they are yesterday's men. But just take a close hard look at suspended Secretary General Sindiso Magaqa behind Mbeki and Juju. Now that's a real evil hyena that's waiting to steal some meat...
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pan

Posted 136 days ago
The Daily Maverick wrote an article on Magaqa. Your analysis is spot on.
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I984

Posted 136 days ago
"SihleKam
Posted 54 minutes ago
But just take a close hard look at suspended Secretary General Sindiso Magaqa behind Mbeki and Juju. Now that's a real evil hyena that's waiting to steal some meat..."

LOL. Spot on. He is still skinny and looks hungry - that will probably change soon...
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Timbuktoo

Posted 136 days ago
One can see that the photo was PHOTO-SHOPPED.....

King_Biko

Posted 136 days ago
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Another lie being peddled by our reactionary media meant to derail the focus of the league from its call of "Economic Freedom in our Lifetime". You can say what you want but you can never wish that call away! Everyone knows that in the ANC we never recycle leaders and we do not have or lack leadership vacuum! Why are our deployed officials dragging their feet in introducing the MAT which is a resolution from Polokwane? They must meet the full wrath of our axes in Mangaung!
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BornintheRSA

Posted 136 days ago
Your last sentence about using axes is one of violence. That's not leadership.
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amaKK

Posted 136 days ago
...Everyone knows that in the ANC we never recycle leaders...

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An ANC cadre that doesn't know his party's history.

Mahabane...rings a bell?
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JamesTurner

Posted 136 days ago
You're joking right?
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SamBlue

Posted 136 days ago
"Another lie being peddled by our reactionary media " - What lie would this be, Biko? That Malema wants to have a sitdown with Mbeki? That he wants Mbeki to have more input into our political circus? Sorry but Malema was on air when he spewed his delusional rants and you're the ass that sits in front his keyboard...
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SuiGeneris

Posted 135 days ago
''''''''''Everyone knows that in the ANC we never recycle leaders.......'''''''''''

Simply because very few of them are leadership material and should never have been a leader in the first instance !

''''''''''and we do not have or lack leadership vacuum!'''''''''

You cannot have a vacuum within a vacuum !

amaKK

Posted 136 days ago
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

...until my friend becomes my enemy and then my ex-friend's enemy is my friend...

And so it goes on. The political merry-go-round.

isintu

Posted 136 days ago
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"after the Pietermaritzburg High Court acquitted Jacob Zuma" uh I think not. He was never acquitted!!! He never stood trial for corruption, the charges were withdrawn by the NPA and the Judge never made a ruling of not guilty. This misunderstanding by the man in the street is exactly what keeps ANC fat cats in power. The masses are iliterate and uninformed and therefore do not realise what the SOB's are up to.

POST94

Posted 136 days ago
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Comrade Kgalema has no chance in hell of beating Comrade JZ.But with the still influential Mbeki in the mix, things could change a bit. After all, Mbeki received 40% of the vote in Polokwane.

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Tsafendason

Posted 136 days ago
And 35% of that 40% went to Cope!!!

MisterWendal

Posted 136 days ago
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Steer clear of these imbeciles, President Mbeki!
Petty local squabbles are beneath your stature of Africa's greatest statesman!
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thabolebese

Posted 136 days ago
I'm glad that someone amongst the most is talking sence, keep it on MisterWendel, i must say though that public forum is interesting because you get to realise why even the dumbset politicians think they can think for us and still get away with it. Maybe facts are a previlage.

4Khomotso_4rom_Attridgeville

Posted 136 days ago
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That's why I am so fond of politics, you never know what twist and turn they are going to take the next day..........

It's only the foolish and myopic sector of our population that think that they will dictate who is in good terms with whom and at what time.
Go Juju go.....Mbeki is our man, all the other ''gemors'' must join hands together. Zuma, Zille Mthembu, Gwede, Lindiwe Mazibuko, De Lille... they all belong in the same pot.
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Abdulla-Saleeh

Posted 136 days ago
You are depriving some mental hospital of a patient somewhere.
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Timbuktoo

Posted 135 days ago
Atteridgeville is missing their local VILLAGE IDIOT.... 4Khomotso...

bhekiDprofessor1

Posted 136 days ago
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In politics there should not be enermies. They will pull you back whenthey think you are not implementing and towing their line. THEY SHOULD!! You dont have to be ridiculed THOUGH while they withdraw you.

"I felt Mbeki was removed harshly but he became a man".

I agree he should stay a prominent figure in you country and he still has a lot in his bag that he did not share with us and we wneed his opinions.

I still say he is an Economist and and intellectual!!
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Smeegen

Posted 136 days ago
"I still say he is an Economist and and intellectual!!"

Which was clearly indicated by his refusal to believe that HIV and AIDS were linked.
Very intellectual, that was...

NaidooA

Posted 136 days ago
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Thabo Mbeki is against nationalisation

Thabo Mbeki is against land restitution

Thabo Mbeki supports the singing of the apartheid anthem

Thabo Mbeki is just another 'jaa my wit baas' boy (the ubuntu man'

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samsam

Posted 136 days ago
certainly agree , TM is an architecture of Gear,Privatisation, Land Claim under Mbeki was very low, He does nt believe in farming as viable sector in Africa, he believes in tenders and BEEs, TM did nt prioritise Rural Dev he believes in westernise living conditions, Rural dev was prioritised by Zuma
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Gaara

Posted 136 days ago
@Samsam. please qualify your statement with facts. As far as i can see not only is it no growing but it has come to a standstill! if he indeed did prioritise it, i would like to review the results of such.
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thabolebese

Posted 136 days ago
Are you saying this because you can or you honestly believe that they are facts? No offence but please educate us further on those (with facts this time).
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SuiGeneris

Posted 135 days ago
Your comment is once again a dead give-away that you are no indian !!!!!!!

No Indian person will ever support the idea of nationalisation or land restitution !!!!!!

How long do you intent living this lie and pretend that you are who you most certainly are not !

cornelius.ncube

Posted 136 days ago
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Malema is on mission to destabilise the party,he wants to see comrades on each other's throat.Surely by going to Mbeki he knows he will get support because Mbeki was not happy to be recalled.I think Malema must be called to order and he needs to be restricted who he can speak to in the movement.The boy is suspended but allowed to soar divisions within the party.ANC is bigger than you boy respect it.Yes you really brainwashed our masses and win the hearts of the few who dont understand the movement.Mbeki you know the movement better than this youngster refrain from these meetings.IS MALEMA AN ANC MEMBER BY LOOKS OF THINGS LATE I DOUBT.Watch the space he will shock us.

Razzo

Posted 136 days ago
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Ladies and gentlemen, dare i say it: "In politics there are no permanent enemies and permanent friends....."thats just the name of the game. One does anything necessary to further ones polotical (malema accent) career.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 136 days ago
I'll kill for Zuma
I'll kill
I'll kill Zuma

The boy child does have a certain consistency. Not a pleasant one but a consistency, none the less

Gaara

Posted 136 days ago
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If i were Mbeki I'd stay the hell away from these kids.
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1tsotsi

Posted 136 days ago
Unfortunately you not... so sad!!!

samsam

Posted 136 days ago
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Gaara
Posted 16 minutes ago



reread you sentence construction I can read it

samsam

Posted 136 days ago
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Gaara
Posted 16 minutes ago



reread you sentence construction I cannt read it:: ::

nauhmo

Posted 136 days ago
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A wise man always changes his mind – and for anyone to think that Juju is no man, well!! I think Juju’s men are smart to seek audience with Mbeki, so they should with Madiba. I just hope both Mbeki and Madiba accept to hear what they have to say, then and only then – they should make a decision.

thedoc078

Posted 136 days ago
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I just wonder if he will still remain their darling once they find out that he doesn't share their views on mines nationalization, land grabs, and other stuff they advocate...

Port-Elizabeth-Rulez

Posted 136 days ago
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Oh Malema, please move to Zimbabwe, you are not going to find a leader that is going to share your primitive way of thinking here in South Africa.

RealAfricanDemocrat

Posted 136 days ago
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This picture of President Mbeki having a good laugh with Julius and Sindiso has stunned some in the ANC leadership and some Zuma supporters who are now flailing their arms in this forum. At long last Cde Julius had rediscovered the true Mbeki. The ANC Youth League should not waste time asking for a meeting with Mbeki, even as early as next week. They should also ask for a short course that Timali can organise for them to learn from his feet. These young men are hungry and thirsty for knowledge. Anyone who has attended meetings addressed by Thabo Mbeki will know that the man is a genius who thinks on his feet. I know some racist White people (and Zulu tribalists) want to tear him apart. As for White people, they hated his transformation agenda and even today convenient ignore the fact that he presided over the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth in this country. As for Zulu tribalists, Thabo Mbeki makes 100% Zulu boy look very bad, but they should not blame Mbeki for Zulu boy's shortcomings. 100% Zulu boy can only blame himself.

the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 136 days ago
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What a gigantic bowl of irony that is to swallow so early in the new year !

Bet they are all sorry they burnt all those Mbeki t-shirts now. There is no way a koki pen can make the Zuma shirt look like Mbeki ones did.

BokFan

Posted 136 days ago
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Is this the same Mugbeki wanted for bogus science crimes against humanity

And the murder of 300 000 SA Citizens by denying them appropriate medication?

To lead the tenderstruggle in Limpopo?

Alongside the thugs who held a gun to the nation's head while he was being deepsixed.

Go figgah niggah!
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MisterWendal

Posted 135 days ago
Easy does it, BokFan - no need to go around dissin' Africa's greatest statesman so early in the new year!

(Compliments of the season - hope 2012 is a good one!)

MsLee

Posted 135 days ago
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The cynicism and opportunism of politicans never ceases to amaze me. Bottom line: trust them with NOTHING!

Rightway

Posted 135 days ago
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Mbeki is out of touch with reality and is normally drunk with whiskey. How else do you describe an AIDS denialist like him. Zuma is worse. The ANC have NO leaders of quality left. They do not deserve to exist and the fact they are still here after hundred years is an reflection of the intelligence of SA where the pass rate is 30 %. We have the leaders our nation deserve idiots just like it majority citizens.