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Sat May 26 14:26:07 SAST 2012

Zuma unveils massive industrialisation plan

SIBUSISO NGALWA, SIBONGAKONKE SHOBA and THABO MOKONE | 10 February, 2012 02:30
President Jacob Zuma gives his State of the Nation address. File photo.
Image by: ELMOND JIYANE

In a speech designed to appease both business and labour, President Jacob Zuma placed significant emphasis on an infrastructure plan to reindustrialise South Africa.

Zuma announced the government's investment plans for the next seven years, which will span the provinces.

The plans include:

  • R300-billion in capital projects investment by Transnet, of which R200-billion will go to rail projects and the rest to the improvement of ports;
  • Expanded rail network in Mpumalanga and Limpopo to take the transportation of coal off the roads and onto rail;
  • An R83000 subsidy to help low-income earners qualify for home loans from banks;
  • Spending R300-million on the building of two universities, in Mpumalanga and Northern Cape;
  • The implementation, in April, of a R1-billion fund to promote access to home loans; and
  • The phased development of a 16million-tons-a-year manganese export channel through the Port of Ngqura in Nelson Mandela Bay.

Zuma said this would include developing the Durban-FreeState-Gauteng industrial corridor, which will promote the movement of goods between Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal.

"The market demand strategy will result in the creation of more jobs in the South African economy, as well as increased localisation and black economic empowerment. It will also position South Africa as a regional trans-shipment hub for sub-Saharan Africa and deliver on NEPAD's regional integration agenda," he said.

The projects, said Zuma, would drive job creation.

"The massive investment in infrastructure must leave more than just power stations. It must industrialise the country, generate skills and boost much-needed job creation," he said.

He announced plans to integrate rail, road and water infrastructure in Limpopo to promote mining and unlock the province's rich mineral belt of chrome, platinum and coal. In Mpumalanga, coalfields will be connected to power stations, and the iron ore railway between Sishen, in Northern Cape, and Saldanha Bay, in Western Cape, will be improved. North West will benefit from the improvement of 10 priority roads and a dam will be built in the former Transkei to expand agricultural production.

He said the port regulator and Transnet had agreed to an arrangement that would give exporters of manufactured goods reduced port charges to the tune of about R1-billion.

"We have also been looking at the necessity of reducing port charges, as part of reducing the costs of doing business. The issue of high port charges was one of those raised sharply by the automotive sector in Port Elizabeth and Uitenhage during my performance-monitoring visit to the sector last year."

Though admitting that his plan for creating half a million jobs a year had failed, he said that 365000 jobs had been created last year - resulting in the reduction of the unemployment rate from 25% to 23.9%.

"This is the country's best performance since the recession in 2008," he said to applause from the benches.

Zuma said most of the new jobs were in the formal sector, such as mining, transport, community services and trade.

Of the R9-billion jobs fund announced last year, Zuma said over R1-billion had been committed to businesses.

He said R1.5-billion was approved for 60 companies to promote job creation, through the Industrial Development Corporation.

Zuma seemed more confident delivering his fourth State of the Nation address. Previously he hardly digressed from the written text. But last night he appeared to be having fun as he cracked jokes about Bafana Bafana's woeful performance and the need to keep fit through regular exercise.

Low-income earners, between R5000 and R15000, struggling to get home loans will benefit from a fund from which they will receive an R83000 subsidy from provincial governments to help them get a home loan.

This would cater for a significant number of citizens who do not qualify for RDP houses to qualify for home loans from banks.

"This fund will start its operations in April, managed by the National Housing Finance Corporation," said Zuma.

Zuma did not say when the construction of the new universities in the two provinces would begin.

Security was extra tight for the speech, with hundreds of policemen and task force members stationed around parliament.

Several streets adjoining the parliamentary precinct were closed to traffic as early as 11am and barriers were set up along Plein, Roeland, Spin and Adderley streets.

Zuma's procession started from the heart of Cape Town in Adderley Street, proceeding up Parliament Street into the precinct.

It involved a mounted police escort and a military ceremonial guard. The route to parliament was lined by the defence force.

The red carpet stretched from the Slave Lodge to the National Assembly building.

The president was received by an imbongi (praise singer) at the gates of parliament and by another at the entrance to the National Assembly chamber.

There was a national salute by the ceremonial guard of the SANDF, a military band, an air force fly-past and a 21-gun salute.

There was civilian participation in the walk by the president, who was accompanied by parliament's presiding officers and the secretary to parliament, from the Slave Lodge to the saluting podium in front of the National Assembly building.

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BornintheRSA

Posted 106 days ago
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What about fixing the now broken health system - something which the "needy" need most? What about fixing the schooling systems - something our children need most? These are just more opportunities for public officials to enrich themselves and for tenderpreneurs to rub their palms with glee. The future looks great for them.

SecretVoice

Posted 106 days ago
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The plan announced last night is a very sound one. It will definitely get the economy going. The big question however is where is the money going to come from ?
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MisterWendal

Posted 106 days ago
All government expenditure generally comes from the taxpayer.
It will therefore be another case of the taxpayer bending over again!

pan

Posted 106 days ago
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No mention of small business and entrepreneur development, the ONLY way to create massive amounts of jobs.

This centralist attitude of the ANC is killing the country.

deebee

Posted 106 days ago
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I would echo the concerns above - whislt it's great to have all these plans, will they implemented speedily, efficiently and cost effectively? History doesn't suggest they will, especially if the Media Bill is allowed to muzzle digging up dirt on the connected elite.

But, let's be positive: at least the plans announced make economic sense. Unlocking the wealth of Limpopo and Mpumalanga, and especially through getting trucks off the roads, should be a massive boost to creating world-class mining infrastructure in the north of South Africa and that in itself creates many opportunities for entrepreneurs and small businesses, especially in the services sectors (hospitality, logisitcs, housing, small-scale farming and the like, if managed properly). Integrating these into the developments in Botswana, Mozambique and the Copperbelt provides a much needed regional boost to trade, investment and sustainability as well.

Agreed on the need for a massive overhaul of education and healthcare - but essentially all you really need is competent people who have a passion for these, not cadres deployed as a payback for supporting a particular candidate.

bis-k'hallawaya

Posted 106 days ago
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Politician: "If you elect me, I will give you jobs and your own roofs, and food on your table".....

Sheeple: ..."Yeeeeeeeessss"........

Politician:....."When you elect me, I will build schools, hospitals, roads, churches".......

Sheeple:..."Yeeeeeeeeeessss"..........

Politician:...."I will build a beautiful bridge over the river..."

Sheeple:...."?????........But....but we don't have a river!!!""""

Politician: ......."Never mind!!.....I will build one!!!!"............

bis-k'hallawaya

Posted 106 days ago
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.......Nasty question SecretVoice's one:....where is the money going to come from?........

I'll give him/her a nasty hint:......You'll need mandarin to read the instructions.........
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JamesTurner

Posted 106 days ago
Hahahaha! Top marks bro! Haha!

Nightjar

Posted 106 days ago
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RE. at least the plans announced make economic sense....
Specially to the comrades who will skim off 20 - 30%.

RE. Politician: "If you elect me,............
Can also apply to preachers: "If you keep paying me 10% of your income (tithes) I promise you happiness after you die."

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Dr.Zeek

Posted 106 days ago
Yes, but even the Church took only a tenth - this Government takes more than HALF!!!!

POST94

Posted 106 days ago
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Well done Mr President. Some idiots dont comprehend the simple fact that the SONA is a condensation of a plethora of departmental business plans. Just because an issue didnt receive a mention in the SONA doesnt mean that it's not on the strategic and business plans of the individual departments. The Minister of Finance's budget speech will be informed by these plans including the Madam's.

SuiGeneris

Posted 106 days ago
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You are going to need a few geniuses to implement all this but they have all left the country !

Oh, I forgot, you will import them from Cuba !
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SuiGeneris

Posted 106 days ago
......and China ?
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Sganga

Posted 106 days ago
Your so called geniuses are unemployed overseas & wants to come back! maybe you should also join them!!

Feelgood

Posted 106 days ago
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This country needs to promote a class of risk takers to start businesses in SA to create wealth. The government can't create wealth the people should be encouraged to go out and take their chances. The government in SA will have to change the labor laws so SA can compete with the Asian countries like China. Zuma whole speach was about shipping the natural resources out of SA but, nothing was said about promoting manufacturing in this country.

Gaina

Posted 106 days ago
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Talk, talk, talk, we have heard it all before, he is just creating more opportunities for his mates to put in tenders to enrich themselves. Why allow the infrastructure to go to wrack and ruin in the first place.

danny.archer1

Posted 106 days ago
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China is going to own our asses...

l984

Posted 106 days ago
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Focusing on industrialisation and improving infrastructure is good and is crucial if one wants to liven up the economy, reassure investors and businessmen, and create jobs and revenue. The thing is - no deadlines were given, and no mention on how exactly would all those multi-billion projects will be financed. No mention was made about the total failure in certain provinces and departments which necessitated the unprecedented intervention and take-over by the national government. Not much was said about improving the disintegrating state health and education systems either.

POST94

Posted 106 days ago
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It gets quiet scary for the former colonialists when China is beating them at their own game. What makes it worse is that, business fronting legislation or not, the black tenderpreuners will now replace the corrupt white business people with the Chinese business people. Why not?

China has just funded the new AU Complex in Ethiopia to the tune of more than a billion US Dolloars. And your guese on who designed, project managed and constructed the structures is as good as mine. Sounds familiar? That's what funds like DFID do on regular basis: create opportunities for the British technocrats under the guise of helping out developing nations.

These Chinese are briliant copycats!! I love them.

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l984

Posted 106 days ago
"It gets quiet scary for the former colonialists when China is beating them at their own game.
the black tenderpreuners will now replace the corrupt white business people with the Chinese business people. Why not?
These Chinese are briliant copycats!!"

Just take a look at what our commissar POST94 is celebrating (by the way we missed you yesterday on the 'secret tapes' thread) - revenge, mediocrity, piracy and re-colonization.

If the chinese (which are even more greedy and ruthless) do 'beat the former white colonialists at their own game' - guess who will be suffering again - if not even more this time?
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 106 days ago
You don't travel much, do you?
Take a short turn around our continent and just see how 'loveable' the Chinese masters are.
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l984

Posted 106 days ago
P.S. ... And this time the danger and the potential repercussions will be much greater because of ideological and political reasons. What goes around comes around.
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staren

Posted 106 days ago
Yeah, they're (communist china) also pretty good at illegal foreign occupation, oppression, torture, murder, indoctrination, dogma and warmongering - your kind of people?
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staren

Posted 106 days ago
timeslive.co.za/world/2012/02/10/china-probes-fake-eggs

Enough said. lol
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POST94

Posted 106 days ago
We'll stick with China. The Chinese will never be worst than the former colonialists and apartheid masters (now subtle racists).
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l984

Posted 106 days ago
@ staren

h t t p://w w w.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2012/02/08/beijing-gives-microbloggers-notice

h t t p://w w w.timeslive.co.za/world/2011/12/23/china-dissident-jailed-for-9-years-for-subversive-essays
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staren

Posted 106 days ago
Oh really?

The Chinese have been responsible for more than a million deaths in Tibet alone since 49. How many were the Nats responsible for between 1948 and 1994 for example?

I can fully appreciate your resentment toward former colonising powers and the apartheid regime - in fact Id be surprised if you weren't - but do yourself a favour and actually do a bit of research on Communist China and the regime you are referring to.

And no amount of past injustice perpetrated by one group of people justifies or excuses PRESENT and FUTURE injustices by another.

And saying you rather favour the chinese because of some injustice committed by some colonising nation in Africa a few hundred years ago, and becasue of your own personal resentment, is childlike to say the least.

If we applied your logic, we should then stop trading with the US because of their treatment of the native Americans, the Portuguese and Spanish because of their treatment of the native south Americans, the Russians because of the pogroms, the Germans because of the concentration camps... and yes, wait for it, Communist China because of their treatment of the Tibetans...

Really.
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staren

Posted 106 days ago
Thanks 1984,

its absolute madness!

In fact I would almost go so far as to say that Communist China is the diametric opposite of just about every notion, ideal, and concept that post-apartheid SA (as defined the Freedom Charter and even the ideals that the ANC's charter) represents...

nsukuangel

Posted 106 days ago
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As much as I dont like our current government, and all these corrupt officials, I have to say the ideas are correct, and all we need is the will power to execute these plans, and we all know that Mega Infrastructure developments are given to the WBHO, G5, MURROB's of this world i.e. All world cup stadiums, Gautrain, Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project, OR Tambo International Project, King Shaka International Airport, Kusile and Medupi Power Stations, Nelspriut Highway Improvements, and the list goes on and on,references please visit wbho.co.za, g5.co.za, murrob.co.za in their completed projects side, so before we all start with our racist utterrances. So my black brothers and sisters will only get the smallest piece of this big cake and that is a fact. So in other words a black man must just remain poor then the maniority will be happy with the government, as we all know who owns the above mentioned companies.
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POST94

Posted 106 days ago
Well said. But they just cant stop sneering and chewing to pieces the very same hand that feeds them. :: ::
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Mike123

Posted 106 days ago
All we need is the will power to execute these plans, AND the money to pay for them!

Of course the ANC has been talking about increasing VAT by 1%, which is bound to make COSATU feel warm and fuzzy.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 106 days ago
So it is about what colour the tax payer is? Does black tax money spend easier than white tax money or maybe less black tax money is stolen than white tax money?

The tender process includes BEE and AA points (not so?) and it is supposed to include things like social responsibility of the company (not so?). Well then maybe you should be shouting at the sods who sell their souls to the highest bidder by taking kickbacks.

Mike123

Posted 106 days ago
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I read his entire speech, and can find no mention of pigs flying in the middle of July.

POST94

Posted 106 days ago
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Well said. But they just cant stop sneering and chewing to pieces the very same hand that feeds them.

Spitfire

Posted 106 days ago
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This goofball is like a one string banjo - same old chattering year after year and nothing happens! He is a complete failure - if he had spoken about the REAL state of the nation and listed the myriad problems from corruption to the continuing collapse of the entire infrastructure, he would have had to babble on for several weeks - non-stop. What a clown!

CrackerCraker

Posted 106 days ago
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Articles like

h t t p://w w w.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120209152810.htm

Hydrogen from Acidic Water: Potential Low Cost Alternative to Platinum for Splitting Water

should serve as a reminder to the government and the rest of us that the endless procrastination caused by the likes of Cosatu and Julius Malema is costing us dearly. Some treason charges against the Julius Mlalemas for economic sabotage should be instituted.

The world will not wait for us to benefit from our resources.

LouLou

Posted 106 days ago
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Wouldn't it be really wonderful if we knew HOW, WHEN, BY WHOM and WITH WHOSE MONEY these plans were going to be put into effect?
Wouldn't it be wonderful if it wasn't going to be the same band of beneficiaries who were going to benefit from these plans?
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the majority of the country's citizens were to benefit rather than a select few?
Wouldn't it be wonderful if promises made by the "talking head" were actually realised without any hint of corruption, backhanders, shoddy workmanship and we saw an upliftment of the mojority of people in this country?
Wouldn't it be wonderful if ..........we could live in a functioning country with a functioning government with a functioning president?
We can all dreami suppose.

the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 106 days ago
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At least he is on the right track. That stupid concept of 'creating' jobs out of thin air was laughable at best. I just wonder how Eishkom is going to cope and how much the tenderpreneurial markup will be on everything.

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 106 days ago
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The cynicism is understandable. We have been through the RDP, GEAR, ASGISA, JIPSA, BEE, BEEE, BBEEE, and we survived. But we definitely cannot survive "massive industrialisation" in an Information Age. The old industrial capitalist and the state mental patterns are a problem for the New Economy, where the capability of their companies to leverage opportunities and manage risks have become the main economic value drivers.

Even the hardcore capitalists realise that physical and financial assets yield at best an average return on investment. The Information Age thrives on invisible and untouchable values, but unfortunately our traditional accountants are not able to capture, measure and report on intangible assets.

But the icing in all this dumbness is the killing off of the coal trucking business, where the connected elite have been making a killing in supplying Eskom with coal. This, only to revive the dead railway lines, and the ageing train making industry? Heyi Madoda! I could not stop laughing when the president said "siyasebenza la". What? He surely needs some schooling in capitalism, particularly about the circulation of capital, and the tricks of trade. Is it the 'silly' season yet? or the only among the ruling elite? It could be a campaign with 2014 in mind.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 106 days ago
Europe and America have discovered first hand how dangerous 'cyber' money actually is. I'll stick to old fashioned tangibles any day.

Our economy is largely minerals based. They are large, heavy and need transportation. Using the roads is not a good plan as the trucks chew up the roads and cause untold horrors with the traffic (you should have seen the N1 South this morning! Met eish!). If we can get those very large goods moving quickly, cheaply and efficiently from one end of the country to the other, we gain. We also have a huge glut of unskilled labour. If we can get them smelting and making something saleable then it is a huge burden relief for every tax payer.

I do, however, agree whole heartedly that we should be racing towards the information age. At the moment we are crawling along like a herd of turtles and are being overtaken by everyone. Not good.

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 106 days ago
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As it is, we are stuck with physical assets like the ghost trains and towns. Our fathers died pushing around the railway 'troks', a concept of the 18th Century, of mass production and mass distribution.

What is even more strange is that we are the fifth in Africa in terms of broadband, but we want to 'colonise' Africa by spreading our tentacles with the oldest and slowest form of mass distribution. We need to come up with a plan of what to do with the white elephants we are about to create.

Mokonyane fantasized about building new "mega metros" during the electioneering, and no one took her seriously because it was not worth spending one's thought on it. But the sooner we stop fantasizing the quicker we will start dealing with reality. Just try to do the most basic things, and leave the other stuff to those capable of doing it.

Xhoxhorotto2X

Posted 106 days ago
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SONA was very well planned, an excellent event! And I whole heartedly look forward to the next one! The force fly-past was particularly spectacular, and I just loved the beautiful African fashion. I did have a good chuckle at the sight of the blue train party's ruler in her hideous so called "fashionable" coral attire "resembling a Cape Town sunset". That provided for some comic relief.

What an absolute brilliant man, our President Zuma is. He was so stately, punctual, and highly intellectual in his address. And his vision of an overhaul of apartheid infrastructure is genius! If we get this poor infrastructure upgraded, there will be housing and public services for EVERYONE come 2014!

MoBlaq

Posted 106 days ago
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Cde President - talk is cheap, we need action ASAP. It's been 17 years since the new dispension and Black people are still living in absolute poverty. The economy hasn't transformed a single bit and these state of the nation addresses are fast becoming high sounding bluffings.
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Xhoxhorotto2X

Posted 106 days ago
Oh please angel pie! Where have you been the past 18 years??!

The "Black" middle class is on the rise, and Black millionaires are on the rise. The days of white supremacy are over. The economy has made an entire 360 since 1994, when the country was in fact bankrupt after the apartheid state wasted all the money on segregation. South Africa's economy has never been better than now, thanks to President Zuma. And all targets of all previous government SONA's have been met by the way.
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MisterWendal

Posted 106 days ago
Xhoxhorotto2X
Posted 19 minutes ago
"... South Africa's economy has never been better than now, thanks to President Zuma."

You're joking, right?
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Xhoxhorotto2X

Posted 106 days ago
@MisterWendal

As a matter of fact, not at all. You see, after apartheid ended and Government took over from the dictatorship of the NP, the country was bankrupt, and had massive international debt due to the fact that all state funds were spent on segregation and apartheid, as well as useless military expenses and international trips aimed at convincing international investors not to pull out of South Africa because of its barbaric practices.

The democratic government, in only 2 years, completely turned this around, and today we are in a position to overhaul the entire failing infrastructure, supply Government grants to previously disadvantaged, as well as stage huge international events such as the 2010 Soccer World Cup. All this was not possible pre-1994
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cANCerSurvivor

Posted 106 days ago
"...useless military expenses and international trips aimed at convincing international investors not to pull out of South Africa because of its barbaric practices."

That sounds like whats going on over the last 10 years actually, don't you think?
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Xhoxhorotto2X

Posted 106 days ago
@cANCerSurvivor

Thank you for missing me :) I appreciate it. I missed coming here too, helping people who do not understand, or have a clue about politics.

I do however disagree, and have to add that over the past 10 years, especially since 2009, investors have been flocking back to South Africa, and that the economy has been growing (as you will see in the explanation in my previous post here).

Please join me in being optimistic and loyal towards our Government, and country. Together we can build a positive future.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 106 days ago
Xhoxhorotto2X

I have proven you a liar about the 'bankrupt' issue at least a half a dozen times and you still come looking for more? Are you a masochist or do you just have the memory of a goldfish?
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Xhoxhorotto2X

Posted 106 days ago
@the_original_MommaCyndi

Oh dear, and how have you "proven" this? Please enlighten us all.

If you cannot add facts, or an explanation to your debate, it is meaningless, and you're wasting your time.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 105 days ago
aah so it is the goldfish defence.

The ANC report on the financial situation in the country when they took over stated:

“South Africa reduced its total disclosed foreign debt to less than US$20 billion in early 1992, down from nearly US$24 billion in 1985, according to the South African Reserve Bank. Currency fluctuations brought South Africa's international debt back to US$25.8 billion at the end of 1993, including rand-denominated foreign debt, and that figure continued to increase in 1994.”

Now in an addendum to that it was noted that the Reserve Bank was holding US$28 billion in bullion reserve (and no, that isn't chicken stock).

SA did have a major forex problem but to state that it was 'bankrupt' is just showing that you are completely ignorant of the meaning of the word. To re-educate you (until you forget yet again) to be bankrupt is to owe more than you own. Now even without the bullion reserves, the country's assets (both here and abroad) were worth more than the debt.
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Xhoxhorotto2X

Posted 105 days ago
@the_original_MommaCyndi

Again, an argument without fact my dear.

Prove then that the assets were more than the debt.

And as a matter of fact, bankrupt can also mean that there are not enough funds to cover basic expenditure, and supply sufficient public services and infrastructure.
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CrackerCraker

Posted 105 days ago
@ Xbox...

You of course appreciate that, according to your definition of bankrupt, that SA under the present government must also be bankrupt. The non-payment for services and all the other problem areas like hospitals, housing, schooling, etc. YOUR logic and distortion of the truth. You never fail to show your ignorance and inability to think your arguments through.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 105 days ago
???? are you saying that the official financial report to parliament is not factual or are you saying that you cannot add and subtract ????

If a company or a country cannot furnish their immediate debt then that is called a 'cash flow crisis'. Should it not be resolved then the company or country is considered to be insolvent. It is only once legal proceedings take place, and the matter is still not resolved, that the word bankruptcy is mentioned. Nobody was considering suing the country for the debt and if they did then the bullion (still not stock cubes) would have been used, either as collateral or as payment.

If you are going to argue then at least have a nodding acquaintanceship with the accounting terms and find a calculator if your ability to subtract is so poor
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 105 days ago
No you didn't.
You waffled on about how you couldn't subtract two digit numbers.

SA was in a cash flow crisis due to two banks who decided to call in the loans. The terms of the loan agreement were argued and they backed down but demanded a stepped up payment plan. there wasn't any problem with paying the loan but that would have meant dumping gold which would have forced the price downwards and that was not in the country's best interest as gold was our primary export. The fact that our (then) minister of finance was a dufus who had gambled on futures in order to try and get forex is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that SA owned more than it owed,

By the way, have you any idea what our country's current foreign debt is? It is quite scary

CrackerCraker

Posted 106 days ago
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Just one more myth to the list that SA was bankrupt.

South Africa was NOT bankrupt in 1994 or before then.

At least some honesty in the comment above. HUGE amounts of money was indeed spent to make separate development work. That's fact. But it failed, and not for lack of trying by the NP.
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Xhoxhorotto2X

Posted 106 days ago
@CrackerCraker

If you want to start a counter debate, then please give some evidence, or at least try an attempt at explaining your reasoning. Why do you say that it is a "myth" that SA was bankrupt by 1994?

It is true that segregation and apartheid did not fail because of the NP, in fact, it failed because our struggle heroes fought against it, and won. With the backing of the entire international community. The other day I couldn't stop laughing when I saw an old clip of the apartheid government rugby team playing in New Zealand, and how the residents there cursed and hackled the mono-racial rugby team and the SA "government". Hilarious. Just shows that the whole world was against the NP.

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 106 days ago
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Lazy thinking. Many manufacturers did not like industrialisation, but it was a paradigm shift. You were either in or dead. The same with information age. The world's problem is trying to use the advancement in technology in the archaic industrial age equipment. Like they in the Law of Variety "only variety absorbs variety".

Simply merging new technology in the brick-n-mortar industry won't work. The world crisis is the born out of the old capitalist greed. Capital simply intervened and usurped the function of circulation of value, without adding any to it. Now the world is beholden in capitalism, house, car, clothes, food production. Yet capital adds no value to the use-value of commodities, and has no interest therein, except "profit". Hence it roams around seeking to "profit" (meaning cheat) from the poor people it has stripped of any capacity to produce even for substinence.

What beats me is the failure of this state to understand that the most exploited people are those previously deprived of creditworthiness by the previous system simply because of their skin colour. These have had to start working to build their families after 1994, and to get loans from capitalist - to run their nuclear and organic families - an apartheid phenomenon. These are the hardest hit by the new state capitalism. The old capitalists have caused the credit crunch, through lending to people who cannot afford home loans.

Our capitalists are colluding with the state in lending the meagre taxpayer's money to the people who can barely afford it. The same state will increase the interest rates, and allow the old Mr capitalist a right to "repossess" all those houses within five years' time, and resell the same to another batch of new "owners". If there is any former "Black" person whose property or vehicle is fully paid up, he must have joined the elite capitalist (because he can influence the fleecing of the destitute).

CrackerCraker

Posted 106 days ago
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You make the statement so you give the evidence that SA was bankrupt.

SA was NOT bankrupt. It is a simple as that.

It is a myth, like so many other lies being manufactured.
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Xhoxhorotto2X

Posted 105 days ago
@CrackerCraker

Just a quick note: By putting your words in Caps, doesn't make your argument truer. In fact, it shows your incapability to formulate a debate on an intellectual level. I already gave the evidence in my explanation, but you clearly did some "selective reading" and your "brain" omitted that part. Or you clearly cannot read. Go back to my argument and read it this time, then respond to me.

CrackerCraker

Posted 105 days ago
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SA was NOT bankrupt. That is how simple it is.

You don't seem to appreciate the meaning of evidence.
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CrackerCraker

Posted 105 days ago
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See my comment above. According to your definition of bankrupt the country is currently miserably bankrupt.
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Xhoxhorotto2X

Posted 105 days ago
@CrackerCraker

Just a couple of corrections my little cupcake, it is Dr. Rotto to you. That aside, there are no "problem areas" within South Africa's Healthcare, Housing or Education. More people than ever before now have access to FREE healthcare at clinics and national hospitals than ever before, millions are spent on housing (and new infrastructure development as pointed out in SONA last night), and more scholars now have access to education (primary, secondary, as well as tertiary) than historically in this country, where previously this was only allowed to the privileged minority white kids.

So please do not even come with your tired old rhetoric about service delivery. Open your eyes and start paying attention to what has been happening around you the past 18 years, and leave your pre-1994 nostalgia behind.