So who is going to name the first black person and produce the signed visitors permit given to Jan van Riebeeck on 6 April , 1652 . The locals did not have calendars , a written language , the wheel , but rather copied construction of their abodes from the birds . Even black US minister Dr David Manning says so on TV that the African Black Man never even built a seaworthy ship .

Now with tears in my eyes I ask visionaries (Aubrey Masango 702 Talk Radio) to admit that there was no such thing as government or recognised civilized leadership or recorded history in Africa hitherto Oom Jan . I guess the truth just hurts when the myth about 87% and 13% is exploded by hard facts .

I have said in other forums before , that there is going to be a backlash from those who suffered propaganda to be their educator , when they realize they have been conquered by disinformation .

Zuma had better clean up his act and give the population the free education he promised , the referendum on the death penalty he promised and an education free from manipulation which currently dresses up intellectual barefootedness as some form of enlightened purity .

Well said @ Greenroom...

Only thing the ANC can brag about is their "PROMISES"

Made with good intentions, but nothing forthcoming.... only more PROMISES!!!

But why shud he resign... He only spoke the truth. In fact if you go and spend some time at UCT's anthropology dept, you realize the the Western Cape was in habited by mostly Khoi.... Or coloured people. It would seem that the entitlement mentality is so deep rooted in our ANCsheeple that it even seeks to defy history. Trying to wrewrite history with name changes might be at your power, but history will remain history, and fact remain facts

Problem with Mulder's drift is that the undisputed immigrant happens to be wh1te (Malay and Indian indentureds et al follow).

Depending on the date, the blacks are probably really Ugandans (if one stretches parochialism, Eastern Ugandans).

So, other than a handful of Khoi, virtually everybody has to go.

Given that the entire SA population is not much different to some Chinese cities, or not effectively much more than Sao Paulo, maybe the problem is that we have too much land?

Why not get Auction Alliance to manage a sale of this excess, say, to the Dutch or British Royal Family?

I see no evil in Mr Mulder’s comments. Individually, I will fare no better in securing a prize able piece of real estate if I carried around a History textbook that proves that my ancestors owned the land before the white people; who are now occupying it.

History is not a contract; for example we all know that historically black men were the back bone of the mining empire but I cannot go to Anglo and say ‘ hey look you are rich because my forefathers were treated like slaves in your mines’. The courts will laugh at me and the government will ridicule me. Cyril Ramaphosa will say ‘you are naïve, absurd and ridiculous’, which would be true.

So whether we agree that the lands belonged to blacks or whites, who took it by violence is of no relevance. What is important is that the land is in white hands and this won’t change no matter how many history libraries and meseums we create to make ourselves feel good.

So go on Mr Mulder and state history as you understand it, because it does not matter in the grand scheme of things and it is hypocritical to crucify you. Look at the ANC of today; it has produced volumes upon volumes of plans and I have read them all.

The RDP, GEAR, New Growth Path, Constitution, 2030 Plan etc and at the end I cannot carry the copies of such plans to the Union Buildings and demand that by the end of the day I should be employed and generally have a better life than when I walked into the State Buildings.

They will show me the door and call security. Mulder is better because he is distorting the past, but the ANC are distorting and manipulating the present and the future through promises that are never meant to be kept.

Well, well. This is a touchy point. When the European settlers came here they found the African settlers who were moving down central Africa. The were settling in the eastern part of SA and had not yet gone much further than the Fish river at that stage. Some where in the North of our country. The Drakensberg has lots of Bushmen paintings. The discovery of gold on the Reef led to a demand for labour and hence that settlement. The Black tribes fought each other and did a good job exteminating the Bushmen who were here before them. National Geographic has done research and, according to them and there "genographic project", all of mankind originated from africa. The Great Rift Valley, to be exact. I am an African, I was born here. This earth, Africa and South Africa is my home. So, you could say it also belongs to me. No man will take away my property without me fighting for it. The constitution should allow me to protect my life, family and property with any means at my disposal.....cos that 's what I will do.

Mr. Mulder is correct, South Africa is a country of settlers
from various racial groups and no single race owns it.
People should learn to live together.

If Piet Mulder’s logic is correct, and I hope it is correct, 60% of the land should therefore belong to the African settlers. Whites must therefore take possession of Mulder’s 40% in the Karoo and the Cape. We have no problem with that. Blacks will take possession of KZN, Mpumalanga, Gauteng, Free State, Limpopo and NW. T

his is a matter that calls for a celebration, there is no point sweating over this, it greatly empowers the Black people. Imagine 60% of the Land! Blacks currently own less than 13% of the land and an additional 47% will be greatly welcomed.

We should go as far as partitioning the country into two time zones; the Black Southern African Time Zone, where all blacks will be living, and a White Settlers South Western Time Zone.

We should go ahead and have two flags; one for the Easterly Black Zone and the other for the Westerly Settler’s Zone.
Why not just give the WC and the NC a Sovereignty status? When are the whites going to move to their 40%? Do they need some assistance? I can’t wait!!!

''''''''Blacks will take possession of KZN, Mpumalanga, Gauteng, Free State, Limpopo and NW'''''''

Significant that you chose to have the most corrupt provinces !

There were people in South Africa from as soon as it became possible to speak of such a thing as a person. That goes back to about somewhere between 150 to 200 thousand years ago.

There was no continuous occupation of South Africa, or any particular region of South Africa, by any one identifiable group, from then until now.

Thus, of any particular group of people, it must be said that:
1. They were not the first people to get here.
2. That they were intrusive into South Africa, that is, they came from elsewhere.
3. That there had already been people who lived here before they got here.

That applies EVEN TO THE Bushmen/San.

It is therefore indefensible to claim for any racially definable group of people a morally justifiably right to
land ownership on the grounds of being the first to occupy the place. (Or alternatively, nobody is indigenous to South Africa).

In this, I find myself unwillingly and wantonly (in that it is probably a deliberate misinterpretation of his intention) agreeing with Jean-Jacques Rousseau, in asserting that the person with a moral right to the land is the person most capable of cultivating it.

If the earth belongs to us all and no one owns anything, it goes without saying that I can walk into Mr Piet Oosthuizen's farm and help myself to his sugar cane, orange fruits, wood, water, grass, horses, pigs and he should not see any offense.

The problem is that everything has been fenced in, and any fruitage that Mr Oosthuizen's farm produces goes to market at prices that only the rich or employed can afford. You'd say ' Mr Oodsthuizen spent labour and capital on his farm'. Why don't I also have a farm to also spend my labour and capital?

This situation, about who was here first, is such a weak and watered down argument and are being used by those who claim to be here first simply because they have no better argument to use.

All over the world ownership just took a natural course as those who developed the land and country obtained the deeds for the land that they developed.

If you want to use the argument of ''I was here first, therefore it is my land'' then no white person in for instance, America or Australia who own land, and have the legal deeds documents to proof that, could be the rightful owners of that land !

Blacks were here first period. Whether they have a legal claim to the land as a consequence is a topic to be considered by PhD Professors in a Philosophical lecture. Blacks don’t own the land just because of ‘the first come first served’ principle; blacks lost all the intellectual wars that lead to whites taking the land as a trophy.

Blacks must now first in the same way as the whites fought when they obtained the land. They must unleash a stream of terror on the whites; in the same manner as an English soldier would walk into a Zulu hut where a pregnant mother was delivering to kill the mother, and child. Blacks must use all sorts of violence to gain the land that was lost because of violence. If this is what whites want, then I doubt that blacks don’t know how to fight.

We should learn from history, not use it as a pointy stick. This goes for both sides of the debate.

......you can have all the land on Earth......it is as useless as if inhabited if you don't work on it....

At the end of the day, the cheap political excuse of "I was here before you" does not hold in this age. Other powers come into play and dominate the game............

This is not about land, this is about who gets the profits. Without profits, land or any factor of productions is meaningless.

And to generate profits, you need more than land, you need to know how to balance your expenses and how to generate optimal revenue given the environment you operate in. Farming is not like retail or wholesale where you put a finished good on a shelf, tag a price to it and convince someone to buy it. Farming comes from decades of experience, knowledge and dedication. To have dedication, there must be a carrot at the end of the tunnel because there is no such thing as a free lunch and anyone who tells you different is out to cheat you.

the problem is propaganda

land throughout the world has been used as a political tool to score votes. The value of land has been over exaggerated by political movements like the ANC and ZANU PF, creating this fictitious scenario that all poverty problems will be solved should the land be brought back to the people.

Zuma was right when he said that it was a matter of life and death for something (the land issue) because the ANC has created this monster on purpose and has delayed the process on purpose because without land, the ANC doesnt really have much to offer the voter, well it certainly has no service delivery track record that can be positively correlated with the budget of 20 years of tax income.

@EJW, A white man taught me nothing, nor to read nor write....Did a white man teach me how to read write my own mother tongue ? Fok NO he did not so dont bull**** me boy.

NOTE: The whole issue of land borders around the principle of freedom and fairness. The South Africans of European descent can be said to have arrived on SA shores about 1652 according to their history. The blacks on the other hand were here about 300 years earlier. The argument about who came first is rather pointless. The most important thing here is that Mr Mulder is insinuating that the Khoi and San might somehow be non-Africans or that the white immigrants own the land in the Cape. Of course Mr Mulder knows he is lying and frankly this argument is more about the retention of priviledge and wealth at the expense of others, rather than a rational discussion based on facts and principles.

The Principles that apply in this particular instance are these:

1. ALL land, space, time and all in it belong to God/universe and mankind shall share.
2. Truth is authority and not vise versa.
3. If all diplomatic avenues have been exhausted (and they must be), then war is justified.

(Think)ROLES REVERSED: Before I discuss the principles let me make a point: If blacks had the capacity and had gone to Europe and done the same things that our white countrymen did (occupying land by forces and legislating racism) they would not have lived to tell about it once the while majority came to their own. And the argument that land was not occupied is lame. Comparing our situation to that of the US red Indian would also be very incorrect.

So to wrap it up: If whites consider themselves African and the principles above to be relevant then land will be shared amongst the all the people. A plan will be devised that does not include paying for land that our forefathers died for you to get. Paying for the land is an insult to our people and this is why the ANCYL has called for redistribution without compensation, of course there will be compensation for assets on the land and for investment made but THERE WILL BE NO PAYING with limited resources that are desperately needed to uplift society. The insults will stop IMMEDIATELY.

Failing all of this then principle 3 will take its natural course. No state has a right to interfere in another sovereign state's matters, so any western intervention will result in a global race war. And it shall then be proven that whites are about world domination and the annihilation of blacks. This is something the capitalists do not want - and that is good.

I also hope that Mr Mulder or Dr Mulder does not have a Phd. as that would be such an embarassment to true scholars world wide.

BY SHARING..I mean the land will be distributed to ALL SA citizens in a controlled manner and this means whites too.

@ ZULU WARRIOR, They dont want to share i tell you.....Like they explained about the AVATAR, they didn't want to negotiate, The Planet of the APes era is coming i tell you and one more thing if they continue to take our land this world will end up like the Movie " 2012 "

It seems Mulder should resign - on principle. How can he remain in cabinet after all the back-stabbing he has received from his so-called "colleagues"?

All he has done is to state a historical fact. For the most part, both the black and white factions owe their "land ownership" to a historical "right of conquest", much the same as the modern Israelis in respect of Palestine. Whether that "right" is still good in today's law is not clear, but if the Whites' right in SA is cancelled out, then so is that of the Blacks. Give all the land back to the Bushmen and Hottentots (or whatever is their current flavour-of-the month politically correct name happens to be).

The Universe, or closer to home, the galaxy is a vast open space. It stretches out for eons of light years and Science say it keeps expanding. There are also parallel universes to add to the mix. Therefore limitations and scarcity of anything exist because man has not begun to see himself as a universal creature, mainly because our collective intelligence has not fully grasped an existence without scarcity and poverty.

I like white people’s ambition to dominate the world and so on but I fail to understand why, given their claimed high IQs, they cannot build space ships of sufficient power to traverse the open space at speeds far in excess of the speed of light.

They could travel to other galaxies and to the edge of the universe. In fact they could even build a time-travel machine and occupy Southern Africa two days before Blacks begin the down ward migration, totally annihilating any arguments as to who was here first.

PE Rulez, your comment is noted - there is such a thing as records and witnesses... commercial farmland and land previously owned by others that was paid for as you state CAN be paid for, but this excludes the bulk of the land that was set aside for white ownership. The sins of the apartheid regime are not for us to bear - we are already paying debt we knew nothing about that was entered into by the Afrikaner government. Blacks will not be insulted. Find a solution with us or you shall have you war EJW. There is no middle ground unfortunately.

South Africa is a great country. Viva!

We are a sick nation indeed, and it is worrisome to see the young generation entertaining the wrongs of the past and division. Do you guys care about the future of South Africa? Do you think we can build our nation while continue to be divided? We are living in the same country but we cannot accept each other. We cannot continue marginalizing each other. Without addressing the hardships felt by the masses we are inviting a more unstable South Africa. Who thought Zimbabwe might become what it is today? If we do not believe in sharing we will get what we deserve in the future. Instead of commenting to what is written in this article we prefer to attack each other. Remember a hungry person is an angry person, and the more marginalized the more dangerous he becomes. So my advice is, let’s stop talking about the past and adopt solutions to our future South Africa.

I would like to know from Mulder why he is not getting the land audit completed ?

Either he doesn't want to know the answers or he is too hung up on history. A full land audit is the only way we will ever know if the transformation of land ownership is coming close to being achieved.