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Thu Jun 20 03:19:27 SAST 2013

Zuma sticks to judicial review

CAIPHUS KGOSANA | 16 March, 2012 00:22
President Jacob Zuma. File photo.

President Jacob Zuma has once again defended the proposed review of all Constitutional Court decisions while attempting to allay fears that his party intends to change the constitution.

"We are not intending sitting every day to change the constitution, not at all. We could have done so if we wanted to. We have got enough majority to do so," Zuma told parliament yesterday.

The constitution can be amended by a two-thirds majority, but some sections of it require a 75% majority to be amended. The ANC came in just shy of a two-thirds majority in the last general elections.

Zuma recently called for the top court's powers to be reviewed, sparking a widespread outcry that the constitution was under threat.

But his office later clarified his remarks.

Justice Minister Jeff Radebe has announced an 18-month study of Constitutional Court decisions by academic institutions.

But experts and commentators have questioned the government's motives.

Asked if he would accept a similar review of the executive and parliament by the judiciary, Zuma said such a situation would be untenable.

"You cannot compare in that way to say simply because the government, which is governing, wants to do certain things then if that is the case it means the judiciary also has a right. They are not a government. We must make that distinction. You cannot elevate people to doing the task they are not supposed to do," he said.

Zuma has previously warned the judiciary not to try to co-govern.

Earlier this week, Constitutional Court judge Zak Yacoob spoke of the judiciary's relationship with the executive and legislature, saying that the only talking that could be done with the judiciary should be about "budgets, facilities".

"I would assume that this cannot be intended to mean that the executive and the legislature should be able to discuss matters of importance with the judiciary directly and outside a court hearing in an effort to influence it. If this is what is meant, I would find it difficult to agree," Yacoob said in a speech at the University of Cape Town on Monday evening.

Yacoob spoke of the divided judgments that the Constitutional Court has handed down - an issue described by Zuma in November and last month as a bad reflection on the court.

Yacoob said: "I would be perturbed indeed if 11 judges of the Constitutional Court agreed with each other judgment after judgment, year after year.

"This would be an indication of a judiciary that is not sufficiently representative and lacking the strength required for true independence and impartiality."

Yacoob said that though he did not oppose changes to the constitution, it would have to be done with the required number of votes in the National Assembly.

"We must have the courage to change our constitution when we need to and the wisdom to know when change would be unnecessary, counter-productive or negative in some other way."

When the ANC released its discussion papers earlier this month in preparation for its June policy conference, it omitted a number of contentious issues covered in drafts.

Most prominent were changes to the constitution contained in a version of a document presented to the ANC's national executive committee last month.

In that document, the ANC argued that, though the constitution reflected the party, there were aspects based on "sunset clauses" introduced to satisfy minority groups.

"There may, therefore, well be elements of the constitution that require review because they might be an impediment to social and economic transformation, such as the narrow mandate of the Reserve Bank or the relationship between, and powers of, different spheres of government," the drafters wrote.

But, in the version released for public comment this week, all references to constitutional amendments were removed.

Other ANC leaders, including the party's secretary-general, Gwede Mantashe, have lambasted judges of the Constitutional Court, suggesting that they are "being driven by selfish interests and [are] threatening the stability of the government".

C orrectional Services Deputy Minister Ngoako Ramathlodi warned in September that the ANC's negotiated settlement had taken power from the executive and legislature and given it to the judiciary and Chapter 9 institutions.

Zuma said he would appear before the commission of inquiry into the arms deal if asked.

Responding to a question from COPE MP Papi Kganare, Zuma said he expected everybody subpoenaed to give evidence, including himself, to do so.

"We have set up a commission and the commission will have information before it and it will have the kind of people it will be able to ask questions, and those people will have to go to the commission.

"It could be [COPE leader Mosiuoa] Lekota or Jacob Zuma who was deputy president and is now president. This is a commission of this country that must get the truth. Whoever will be called by the commission will go," he said.

Its terms of reference empower the commission, headed by Judge Willie Seriti, to subpoena witnesses, and to search for and seize assets.

Those who refuse to appear before the commission face a fine or imprisonment of between six and 12 months.

Zuma was non-committal when asked by DA parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko if he would release the final report of the commission in full.

"Out of respect for the commission and the responsibility which attaches to their work and deliberations, I will not predict or prejudge the future.

"I will be guided by the recommendations of the report, including whether it should be made public .

"To do otherwise will be to unfairly prescribe to the commission the manner in which its recommendations should be framed," Zuma said.

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stub_born

Posted 460 days ago
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.......Like in any typical third world banana republic, the ANC diktators use the Constitution as a 'sacrosanct' roll of toilet paper, always ready to wipe their faces.......and suitable to their needs......"I want to be the president-for-life of my kraal, and then my children, and the children of my children. I can make it legal my way. ...... That is MY democracy, and it is MY constitution, and I can change it if I want to".............

"""""We are not intending sitting every day to change the constitution, not at all. We could have done so if we wanted to. We have got enough majority to do so," Zuma told parliament yesterday....."""""""



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Horus

Posted 460 days ago
Good point Biz
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inkunzi

Posted 460 days ago
NONSENSE!Constitutional amendments happen everywhere, including the US. Why shouldn't SA amend it's constitution? Banana republic my foot...
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Timbuck8

Posted 460 days ago
The plan is to CHANGE the Constitution PRIOR to the Secrecy Bill being passed.... so when the opposition takes the matter to the Con Court.... the ANC will be SMILING...SECRETLY!

Stub_born... you called it correctly.... DIKTATORS!

BornintheRSA

Posted 460 days ago
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Sorry Mr President, your past antics give me no reason to trust your motives on this one. Only after changed behaviours of the ANC government have earned the trust of the public, may you then raise plausible requests to improve the judiciary. For now, it is interference of the judiciary.
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nkosipeter

Posted 460 days ago
Correct. For starters Zuma's government would do well to implements the Constitutional Courts decisions.

They should review WHY they have not implemented some of them and are dragging their heels on others.

Until such time Zuma's utterances sound dangerously like Mugabe-speke.

Horus

Posted 460 days ago
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I thought we have the most progressive and most equitable constitution in the world. What is Zuma trying to achieve by reviwing the constitutional court, whose powers are derived from the 1996 document? Cyril Ramaphosa guided the preparation of the document and Mandela signed it into law; and I don't see why the current ANC should turn its back on our founding liberation fathers. The ANC can amend its constitution as they please but please leave the Constitution out of your confusion. Zuma must go and change his Will and leave our constitution alone.
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Vision2030

Posted 460 days ago
That was just your thought. Other people think differently. Stop invoking on the persons of mandela and ramaphosa. The point is south africas constitution was nothing but a bundle of compromises. It was convenient for power balances of the time, now things have changed. The ANC has a mandate to govern the country. The only way to stop this is create a counter-majority which will allow you to shape the country as you deem fit. Thats democracy 101 dude.

It is unjust to want to force-feed majoity of south africans with the constitution that does not serve their interests.
Although skeptical of the ANC, I agree with them on this one. The Constitution of South Africa need to be reviewed to start to reflcet the values of the numerical majority.

waterboy

Posted 460 days ago
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Yes this is it this is what will make more people on the ground distrust the ANC... NOT unfortunately the common man is too ignorant, reliant on and unknowledgeable to the real ways of the ANC. Watch and see as our own idoit put the same fool back in power to rob us even more.

Zuma and his crownies have gone from street Tsotsi to Blue collar Mafia bosses. Just like the five families in New York we have the Zuma's, Gupta's, Cele's Sekwale's and Shaik's ruling Mzansi with a pistol and a briefcase

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 460 days ago
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Apartheid used bullying and brute force to get its way. Now we are bullied, cheated, manipulated for individual gains. There is no consideration about the future, because change will happen only when "son of man comes", and everything is done to ensure that.

ZamaMofokeng

Posted 460 days ago
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Like any other profession (except the media) were have independent reviews. We as auditors are reviewed by IRBA. They randomly come along for reviews. Mostly is about the quality of the work that we perform. We never complain because we trust that we have done our work according to standards (IFRS, ISA or any applicable)

Now, why is the judiciary whining if the ruling party wants to review their work if they know that they have done nothing wrong? Buggs me.

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Scribbles

Posted 460 days ago
ZamaMofokeng,

I disagree with the analogy seeing as the government isn't independent and has already shown itself to have a clear stake in the matter.

A more accurate analogy would be that of a single business and the South African Revenue Services. Should said business find fault with SARS, does this suddenly entitle the business itself to review and change the current service to suit their own needs?

Should a media outlet be allowed to review and change the Ombudsman if they disagree with a ruling?

Should a criminal syndicate be permitted to review and change a law enforcement agency if they have an issue with them?

And so on and so forth...

Also, it's not just the judiciary that's whining, it's the populace who have already seen our countries laws flouted to suit the people on top. Zuma's own history with the law has been littered with controversy and now we're going to allow him to lead the charge, or "review", against the constitutional court?
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Stirrer

Posted 460 days ago
If there must be a review, fine. But the problem will be who will do the review?
In your profession, the IRBA does the review - no doubt consisting of experienced professionals whom the auditors trust.
In this case, a couple of left-wing ANC cadre-deployees will probably crack the nod as reviewers of the learned judiciary. Also, how can a review of al decisions be made in eighteen months? A single case sometimes takes the judiciary years to reach a conclusion.
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Vision2030

Posted 460 days ago
The thing is judges do not have inherent power and monopoly over wisdom, except the one granted by the populace in a democratic polity.
Judicial review is a normal process, and it happen all over the world. It is wrong to assume that judges are min--gods and that their work is always above board.
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CrackerCraker

Posted 460 days ago
@ Zama...

Maybe if we could be informed what the problems and suspicions against the Concourt are we may be more agreeable with a so-called review.

Your analogy is not accurate. If for example a review of your profession is aimed at prescribing to professionals to change the application of their skills and independence and to change the relevance and value of your profession you would be very unhappy.

The review we hear about is about adjusting the legal system to the ruling party's ideologies.

A review of the role and influence of the Concourt can be easily done by a session or two by competent law professionals, and in a very entertaining and interesting manner with notes like we see handed out at all seminars.

What extra is this review supposed to determine and achieve?
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ZA_Mercenaries_Ltd

Posted 460 days ago
@Cracker Exactly. It's more like the board of Teazers telling SARS that they don't agree with their findings of tax evasion because the method they use infringes upon employment equity rights of women to be strippers.

Note to self. Never allow self-owned company to be audited by whatever company decided to employ bright-spark Zama Mofokeng.
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ZA_Mercenaries_Ltd

Posted 460 days ago
* don't agree with their findings of tax evasion because the method they used to investigate them
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ZamaMofokeng

Posted 460 days ago
People, government official are not responsible for anything that you see around you. Experts are the ones responsible. Trevor Manuel had experts working under him when he was Minister of Finance. His job was just to oversee the implementation of government policies. He didn’t get his hands dirty. He had experts and academics working under him.

The ANC will not be responsible for the reviewing of the con court, expert will be. ANC is government and government does not do anything, they delegate.

Review does not amounts to change. Making noise before the review suggest something sinister is already happening. Let us be fair on this one.
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Scribbles

Posted 460 days ago
ZamaMofokeng,

There’s enough to infer sinister undertones and there’s nothing unfair about stating such. It’s also disingenuous to suggest that “government does not do anything” or that delegation somehow ensures neutrality. Hopefully the government doesn’t resort to such a defence as it’d only add to the notion that our country lacks proper leadership while suffering from entrenched cronyism.

stub_born

Posted 460 days ago
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....What the ANC through Zuma and his 'understand-you-poor-peasant-this-is-good-for-you' analogies and parables, is trying to justify their real motives to change the Constitution to suit their greed and lusts so it can be "legal thievery with impunity".
A revision and amendments would be desirable and could work in other societies, given or taken more or less fairness. In SA, where the aptly labelled organized crime syndicate in power shows complete disregard to ethics, morality, accountability and responsibility; and it is trying to silence the free press; and it is trying to engulf into their pestilence the judiciary system so the absolute corruption is firmly consolidated........they pretend to convince the nation as Zuma convinced the poor bas.....peasants living in shacks across his fairy tale erected palace, that they must feel proud of it, that he gave them a nice view from their one no-glass windows in their one room cardboard walled dwellings.....and they believe it !!!.........

the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 460 days ago
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President Zuma,

Maybe if you stopped making silly mistakes, the Con Court wouldn't have to rule against you?

Seriously dude, get some decent advisers who are actually literate enough to actually read the constitution. Some of the mistakes you have made have been just straight up unnessesary.
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Vision2030

Posted 460 days ago
Dont you think it is improper to call a head of state 'dude', irrespective of the views you hold about him.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 460 days ago
Sorry. should it have been 'dudette'?
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ZA_Mercenaries_Ltd

Posted 460 days ago
@Mom How about simply "dud"?
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Vision2030

Posted 460 days ago
dud is ye and your folk
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 460 days ago
LOL!

A dudette is a camel's tottie, although this would not be far off the mark.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 460 days ago
No! You can't be serious. They actually have a specific name for a camel's ,,,, ummm ?
LOL I thought only humans gave them names :)

Vision2030

Posted 460 days ago
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"We must have the COURAGE to change our constitution when we need to, and the wisdom to know when it is unnecessary to do so..."

For me that sums it up. I think it erroneous to imply that the ANC has no right to change the constitution. Of course they do, provided they have the required 2 thirds majority. Constitutions are man-made documents, therefore, changeable as long as you do so constitutionally. I understand the anxiety, however, there is a strong case for the claim that some of the provisions of the constitution are not progressive.

The thing is the ANC has managed to get the majority behind its cause - hence its earning of the right to govern. Minotity parties must create their onw majorities if tehy want to shape teh country according to tehir tastes. It is a fair political game.
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Stirrer

Posted 460 days ago

"The thing is the ANC has managed to get the majority behind its cause..."

A shrinking majority at that - hence the decision to act quickly!
Naah - the dude * and his fellow dudes are getting worried about that reducing majority!

*Jeff Bridges??? -ED

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Stirrer

Posted 460 days ago
Don't be silly, ED - not Jeff Bridges.
The dude I was thinking of is more along the lines of one of Brenda's Big Dudes!
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ZA_Mercenaries_Ltd

Posted 460 days ago
@Vision2030

"The thing is the ANC has managed to get the majority behind its cause - hence its earning of the right to govern. Minotity parties must create their onw majorities if tehy want to shape teh country according to tehir tastes. It is a fair political game."

You haven't got a cooking clue what constitutional democracy is, do you? The ANC having a majority, doesn't mean they simply get to do what they like. That's what the CONSTITUTION is for. If you don't like it, tough titty. That's what the ANC AGREED to at CODESA.

ZA_Mercenaries_Ltd

Posted 460 days ago
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The Nkosi of Mzansi has spoken. You must listen and obey like the Zulus of old who starved to death because Shaka decreed that no seeds should be sown or crops harvested for a year following his mother's death.
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Vision2030

Posted 460 days ago
Noape, you dont have to 'listen and obey'. You can talk back, but that does not mean that the fact that you raised your voice, your way should be the order of the day. Democracy is about mobilising people around your cause. If you are unable to do that, then you cannot expect to impose your views on others as that will constitute dictatorship.
Use the open space that democracy has cretae to advance your ideas (if u have any) and stop crying foul all the time.
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ZA_Mercenaries_Ltd

Posted 460 days ago
@BlindasaBat2030 You're right. Shaka mobilised the entire Zulu nation around mourning for his mother....on pain of death.
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Vision2030

Posted 460 days ago
democracy and respect for majoritarianism was first introduced in SA public discourse in 1994. prior to that rulership was by self imposition on others. i guess that expains why those who ruled by default before 1994 are so anti-thesis to the democratic process.

Mr.Opinion

Posted 460 days ago
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Shower

stub_born

Posted 460 days ago
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"""""""There is massive maladministration in South Africa because of unethical leadership, says Public Protector Thuli Madonsela.""""""

.........I cannot think of something clearer and simpler to understand........

You don't need COURAGE, you DO need MORALITY and ETHICS.. You DON'T need CROOKERY......

.... " YOU HAVE EYES, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY SEE. You have ears, but you don't really listen " Mark 8:18............
(The overzealous and obtuse on both sides of the religion wall please abstain to comment on this part)

CrackerCraker

Posted 460 days ago
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A review of the Concourt's role and influence can be had by all at an interesting and entertaining seminar presented by high level lawyers/lecturers in law. They are available. Many of them. And notes/workbooks can be distributed as is the practice at seminars all over. Questions will also be allowed and properly answered by REAL experts.

It is not just a review the ANC has in mind. Recall the argument - again referred to in Parliament yesterday by the State President in response to a question on the subject by Bantu Holomisa - about conflicting decisions by the courts. What has that to do with the issue of a review unless the aim is a drastic change to the legal system incorporating a new hierarchical court system?

It is difficult to put a different construction on what is taking place.

Recently the MInister of Justice stated on 702 that we need a broad, societal debate about the transformative nature of the judicial system. You have to connect that remark to what we are fed about the review. Of course the Minister could not help to refrain from a bit of propaganda. He added as an example for inclusion in the debate the throwing of someone into a lion den/enclosure. We all know which matter he referred to BUT he omitted to state that the accused in that case - WHITE, of course, hence the reason for the example one suspects - was not found on appeal to have thrown the victim into the enclosure while the latter was still alive. Check out the race of the actual killers in that matter.
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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 460 days ago
We have a system of appeals due to the very fact that the law can be interpreted differently and that evidence isn't always permitted in one court but will be by another. Our Constitutional Court does not have just one sitting judge. Once you get as high as the Con Court, you have a panel of judges. Is Radebe now claiming that only one judge on that panel makes the ruling and the others just snooze through the process?

Twisting the facts of the Scott-Crosley (?) case doesn't help your argument either. The appeal went through as there was no evidence to prove that the guy was still alive when he was thrown into the lion enclosure. The farm worker admitted to having killed the man before the white dude had even arrived. That is why Scott-Crosley was ONLY convicted of tampering with evidence and not with the murder itself. If you take issue with that then blame the police and pathology labs for not faking the evidence you so desperately wanted.

Maxi

Posted 460 days ago
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After this entire hullabaloo from opposition parties, especially DA, and media over Zuma's intension to change the constitution, when are we going to learn that this is just a political ploy to taint our current government? This started during elections campaigns when DA was trying to scare eligible voters from voting Zuma into power. Since Zuma came to power no changes were done to our constitution, and I believe the constitution will be left unchanged when he leaves office on 2014.
Also the constitution can be amended to suit the needs of majority. ANC has been mandated to rule by the majority, and if there is a need to amend the constitution they are compelled to do so to satisfy the masses. This is a normal practice around the world.
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Oshmax

Posted 460 days ago
Its not normal practise around the world. The failure of government delivery has nothing to do with the constitution. It has to do with government incompetence and corruption.

JZ is treading a very dangerous course. We should be vigilant. If we are not we will find ourselves robbed blind, with a destroyed economy.
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Maxi

Posted 460 days ago
Oshmax
A constitution is a man drafted document, and every country can amend it if there is a need. Even developed countries have been amending their constitution.
I agree that our government still needs to do more, but I do agree with you that it is failing. Unless if you can come with valid reasons to prove me wrong.
Our economy has been doing well since ANC took over. Who is your source of information?