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Fri May 24 20:49:43 SAST 2013

No holy cows: ANC

Sapa | 22 June, 2012 10:29
Justice Minister Jeff Radebe. File photo
Image by: Simphiwe Nkwali

There are no holy cows when discussing ANC policy documents, the party's head of policy Jeff Radebe said on Friday.

"There are no holy cows so people, even leaders, have a right to reflect their own views," Radebe said at The New Age business briefing in Sandton.

"However, it will be branches who decide on these matters."

Radebe was reacting to reports that ANC deputy president Kgalema Motlanthe questioned the idea of a "second transition", one of the ANC's main policy discussion documents.

Motlanthe was quoted as saying: "Second transition! Second transition! Second transition! From what, from where to, where? What constituted the first transition? What were the tasks of that phase, have all those tasks been accomplished or not?"

According to the report, Motlanthe told a dinner in honour of late intellectual Harold Wolpe that the policy document was packed with "smatterings of Marxist jargon".

The African National Congress will debate the idea as the next step in South Africa's democracy at its policy conference next week.

Radebe said the second transition was about the economy and about social transformation.

"Are we saying we should not focus on improving the quality of lives of our people, are we saying let [the] commanding highs of South Africa's economy continue to be dominated by whites and males?" Radebe asked.

"The answer is no."

He said he believed the majority of South Africans would ensure that the issues of transformation and economic transformation must be a priority.

It must be a key priority for the ANC and those deployed in government, said Radebe.

ANC president Jacob Zuma has promoted the idea of a "second transition", but it has been rejected by the ANC Youth League and the SA Students' Congress, as well as the ANC in Gauteng, Limpopo and the North West.

Radebe and ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe, who was also attending the briefing, were asked whether the debate on who would lead the ANC for the next five years was not influencing policy discussions.

Succession debates have been dominating the media in the lead-up to the ANC's 53rd national conference in Mangaung in December.

Mantashe said the ANC had instructed its branches not to discuss succession or nominate potential leaders so that members could focus more on the policies.

Radebe said opening nominations so early in the year was premature.

"We still have to tackle the issues of policies, the issues of challenges facing the organisation [ANC]," he said.

"Should we not elect leaders at the end of the day when we have adopted policies, and we can look amongst ourselves at who can now take the ANC to the next level."

The policy decisions made at the policy conference will be discussed and finalised at the national conference in Mangaung.

These policies will form the basis for the ANC government's policies, new laws or amended laws.

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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 336 days ago
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The ANC isn't doing itself any favours by delaying the leadership debate. It is creating a situation where we are going to be saddled with another compromised candidate because there was no time to scrutinise the prospective candidates.

Already we have the ABZ (anybody but Zuma) call going out. Unless that 'anybody' is placed under a microscope so that an informed decision can be made, the same last minute panic decision is going to occur as what happened when they ousted Mbeki

Stirrer

Posted 336 days ago
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The ANC president generally becomes the SA president (while they enjoy franchise majority). What the ANC electorate should look for is someone capable of leading the whole country - not just a majority faction of a liberation movement gone bad!

BobbyBob

Posted 336 days ago
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Holy cows? No. Mad cows? Definately

SoisSo

Posted 336 days ago
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I hope the ANC will soon be exposed of what it really is. The organisation is like a ref bribed to fix an outcome of a match! They pose as if they are one ,in solidarity, with the poor but in fact they are just are an organisation that has evolved to comfort the people's emotions as they continue to face the realities of the past. They are entertainers, mockers, comedians and they love the spot light. Their sole mandate is to get the poor drunk in a binge of lies, to keep them in servitude to the real masters of SA.

RogueTrooperv2

Posted 336 days ago
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Holy cow?!?! What the hell is a 'Holy cow'? I heard of sacred cows but a holy cow...hmmm....seems the ANC are not only murdering the economy but they have launched a full scale war on the English language too.
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 336 days ago
English language is euorpean not african so with due respect we have right to break it into pieces, anyone who is not happy with us breaking the language must their language back to europe.
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 336 days ago
Oh really? Please explain then why English is the international language of business?
Your comment is as silly as your mindset. By the way I don't come from Europe I was born and raised in SA...so I am at home!!!
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 336 days ago
Listen my boy English will never be african whether you like it or not it european,the fact that you were born here and speak English does not give English to be african.To lighten up you my boy if you are white then you are an alien here but South African.
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 336 days ago
My boy?!?!?! You are not only dim-witted but arrogant too...not surprising because those with low emotional intelligence usually have a lofty sense of self-importance.
To return to your comment...do you suppose the Mozambicans who speak Portuguese or the Ghanaians that speak French share you sentiment re:'African languages' vs 'European' languages. You seem to be a troubled and lost migrant from somewhere other than South Africa because like me your heritage/ancestory does not lie within the borders of South Afica yet you claim this to be your home but not mine. In fact both our ancestories can be traced to SA. Do yourself a favour and research (or just read a little) about the history of the human species and more specifically the origin of the species and you will note that the Cradle of Mankind (slightly North-West of Johannesburg) is the birthplace of our species and as such every human being on this planet has claim to South Africa...that must suck for a racist of your ilk!!!
So why don't you just grow up and accept that as the Freedom Charter claims "South Africa belongs to all who live in it" and stop stumbling along in the same rut you have been for some time now. Broaden your horizon and embrace HUMANITY as a singular and not as the fragments you want to break it up into.
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 336 days ago
Portuguese or French neither of them is african you know it, the fact that my african brothers speak the language does not give them[Portuguese or French] right to be african get that in your brain cells. The rest you can just keep that to yourself i dont need it.
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 336 days ago
Hahahaha....you really are dim-witted indeed, you tend to argue against yourself...and lose everytime.
Funny how you choose to ignore the facts placed before you that effectively nullify your argument. I guess that the truth here is not convenient to you hey. You keep believing the racist lies that your small mind keeps telling you.
Hate is a cancer that eats away at a person eventually rendering them void of the capacity to love, reconcile and ultimately enjoy life. You only have 1 life,don't waste it by hating your fellow human beings because they are of a different hue to you.
LOVE AND LIVE
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 336 days ago
Oh and by the way, what is your attitude towards your 'brotherw' in the north of Africa that have embraced Islam and learnt to speak Arabic? Your response is eagerly waited...
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Tlatlaristo

Posted 336 days ago
@Rogue,

In all fairness we know that white people are not originally african, just like no black or european can claim to be originally chinese. This should not be a problem unless of course one choose to attach value to these identities. I am no European and have absolutely no problem with that. Why should you want to impose yourself on Africa??? You might have became African or South Africa, but that is purely by identification, not origination...This should not be a problem isnt it?? To invoke the narrative of 'common humanity' is very expedient because lived human history (expereience) speaks of different humanities...
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Tlatlaristo

Posted 336 days ago
Reference to south africa belonging to all who live in it (freedom charter) is a politically correct expression. And we know that politics and truth are not teh best of mates...
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Tlatlaristo

Posted 336 days ago
"fellow human being of a diffrent hue...? this is contradiction in terms. yes, maybe a human being, but certaingly not 'fellow-human being" - that is bringing it too close for comfort. you have your own plane of existence, and you have your own. why must you force yourself into my space? mine is african, yours is elsewhere, which is pretty ok. identity is not attained by forceful pronounciation, but rather through lived experience, and metaphisical identification with a particular object (in this case a geographic space called 'africa')
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Tlatlaristo

Posted 336 days ago
"They said they were not Africans, and they were not Africans, now they say they are Africans, and they expect us to join their new chorus and call the Africans". Who do they take us for? They can call themselves whatever they want, but surely they must not force us to join their chorus" (mad native)
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 336 days ago
@Tlatlaristo...I disagree, the origin of man are proved to be African...fact! You are being disingeneous by suggesting otherwise. I do however agree that the history of of man may define identity somewhat but the origin remains the origin.
I was conceived and born in Africa and for that I proclaim I am African and make no excuse for that...I am proud to be South African and by extension African. Are Europeans ONLY white people...what of those black people that are born in Europe, are they African or European. I identify with Africa far more than I identify with Europe...hell I have never even been there. How could I identify with them, I know as much about them as you do through media and movies?
This debate regarding who is African and who isn't is banal and puerile and unfortunately used all to frequently in this country and gets me riled up because it really has no relevance in the world today. Should we start rounding up the 'foreigners and send them back to their country because they aren't South African or your definition of African? Would that not fly directly in the face of what we fought for in this country i.e. the freedom of our people?
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 336 days ago
Trust me dog the man of God cannot hate anyone because the person is different from me, but i am telling you the truth that there are african languages and european languages and that is the fact.That does not make me a racist or hater the way you put it but you are free in my land to think whatever, we thought you guys democracy now you can buble as much as you want nobody cares.
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Tlatlaristo

Posted 336 days ago
@Rogue,

Your objection to the phrase 'holy cow' is childish if not plain silly. can you tell the substantial difference between 'holy cow' and 'scared cow'? can you refere me to the 'holy' which is not considered 'sacred' or the other way round??? you seem to be falling short of the englishness that you want to champion...But who give a damn about the english language anyway? language is just a tool for self-expression. It is not cast in stone, it rather, serves a functional purpose, hence it mutates...
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 336 days ago
@ Tlatlaristo...my space is Africa, I am not forcing myself into your space but you are certainly trying to force me out of mine and that I will not entertain. You preach as if you are the doyern on geographic entitlement and state your case as fact yet display a clear intolerance of those that share the space you occupy...that makes you a bigot and for that I will continue to challenge you and call you out.
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Tlatlaristo

Posted 336 days ago
the thing is human experience has never been based on human origination, but rather something else. to invoke on 'origination' when people reflect on their own lived human relations, is becoming unnecessarily abstract, and i must add politically expedient
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Tlatlaristo

Posted 336 days ago
That is exactly where the problem lies, being African by mere pronounciation...
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 336 days ago
Nobody said foreigners must be forced out of our beloved country but that is your intrepretation which got nothing to do with africans[shall i say brown people]. Don't impose your fear to us and make it as our thinking.
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 336 days ago
Hahaha Tlatlaristo...my point here is that if you are going to use a language to 'express' yourself the least you can do is use it in the correct context and to muddy the waters by saying that holy and scared are the same thing is like saying that an orange and an apple are the same thing...after all they are both fruit but we all know that they are in fact not the same thing. English like most languages evolves but the principle fundamental remain, that is it's structure so please don't attempt to 'intellectualise' the debate because that would be...well, fruitless :-)
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Tlatlaristo

Posted 336 days ago
You have nothing to fear for not being 'african'. Nobody will or should tell you to go back to europe or wherever your great great ancestors originated. however, your fear should not make us misrepresent historical and ontological facts...You are african by birth, and not by origination. Identifying with an entity does not make you all at one with that particular entity. I have many white friends, and I identify with them in many respects. However, that does not make me white...and I have no problem with it.
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 336 days ago
@mbongbwa...'brown people?!? Now you aren't black but brown...dude seriously, you are clearly uncomfortable in your own skin...quite literally!
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Tlatlaristo

Posted 336 days ago
"use it in the correct context". I like that. but surely the context is not english or european or is it? my undertanding is that context is shaped by space and participants in that space... which make ours a non-english context. in that case, it becomes understandable when we use whatever tool of analysis in a contextually relevant way.
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Tlatlaristo

Posted 336 days ago
if i was banal, i would say you are an idiot, but i am not. you syill fail to shown me the substantial difefrence between the concepts 'holy' and 'sacred'.
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 336 days ago
@ Tlatlaristo...now you are talking in circles mate and clearly not grasping the point I was making in relation to this debate. I am not prepared to go around and around with this debate either suffice it to say...let's agree to disagree then.
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 336 days ago
RogueTrooperv2

I never call myself black as i am not black but brown and african,you are the one who is white if there is any humana race who is white. i am still waiting to see the white race because i never see this characters but confused people call themself whites. There is only two colour in human race brown and pale.

SoisSo

Posted 336 days ago
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You see comedians like Trevor Noah are brilliant in taking a real serious issue and present it to their audience is a way that exposes its funny side. Well in SA they are having a hard time making comedy out of what is happening around us because you see everything is a comedy. So they have to base their comedy on a comedy, which I think it's a hard task; how to you improve on a joke? The difference between stage comedians and the politicians is that Trevor stands on a stage and has two hours to wow his audience, the ANC need a bigger stage - Luthuli House and they don't need two hours - their mockery can last up to 5 years! When Trevor gets home, he has to act sanely but no such limits exist for the political comedians; their whole lives is based on a joke.