Furious Cele vows to settle political scores
A defiant Bheki Cele made it clear yesterday he was out to expose ministers who conspired against him, a judge he claims was pressured to find him unfit to hold office and, ultimately, a president who erred in firing him.
While Cele said he would "shut up" - after holding a dramatic press conference in Pretoria yesterday - he signalled his intention to launch a court case contesting the findings of an inquiry headed by Judge Jakes Moloi that recommended he be dismissed as national police commissioner.
His usual outspokeness and confidence could at times not mask the deep anger he felt after President Jacob Zuma's announcement on Tuesday that he was fired.
Cele said he would go to court to have Zuma clarify which specific findings of the report he had relied on to arrive at his decision.
"There are mind-boggling aspects of [Judge Moloi's] decision, which are hard to fathom. I want the court to declare the entire Moloi report legally unsound. The consequence will render Zuma's decision unlawful."
Asked if he would accept his post back, Cele said: "I loved my job, but I am now 'unfit' and if I am 'unfit', how can I go back? I now have to move forward. I love politics and politics loves me. I will go home and think about what is next."
While he has asked to be left alone to rebuild his life in KwaZulu-Natal, it was clear from his statements yesterday that Cele intends to settle scores.
He accused anonymous ministers of having met Judge Moloi before the inquiry began.
''I have minutes of a meeting Moloi attended with the inquiry's prosecutors and others. They contain the names of a minister and ministerial representatives.
"During the meeting, additional charges against me were pressed for. These were taken to the president, who refused to entertain them," Cele said.
"Why, if this was an independent board of inquiry, was Moloi meeting people who were later tasked to persuade him to rule in their favour? I confronted a minister linked to the Moloi meeting and we are now 'comrades'.''
Judge Moloi said last night he did not have time to argue with people who did not know what they were talking about.
Cele was careful not to blame the ANC for his fate, saying: ''I will never abandon the ANC. I will die an ANC member. Even if I die and am told to join another party, I will rise and join the ANC again so that I can again die an ANC member.''
He said his legal team would challenge Moloi's report, in the Pretoria High Court, and vowed to report Moloi to the Judicial Service Commission.
''It is not a challenge against the president. On Friday, I left a meeting with Zuma feeling warm. Our relationship is like that of a CEO . I just hope he has insurance."
Asked about his relationship with Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa, Cele said: ''I have nothing to say to him.''
He insisted he had not resigned and had not received a golden handshake.
Two damning public protector reports on Cele's involvement in controversial police headquarters leases totalling R1.7-billion led Zuma to appoint the board of inquiry headed by Judge Moloi.
But Cele hinted yesterday that the inquiry was launched after he had insisted to Zuma that the Special Investigating Unit investigate the SAPS supply-chain management services for multibillion-rand fraud, and he had ordered the arrest and suspension of police crime intelligence chief Lieutenant-General Richard Mdluli.
''It was like so many other commissions of inquiry that are rigged,'' Cele charged.
''Dirty tricks were used. There were individuals who courted corrupt politicians, who put themselves before service delivery. These political overlords have betrayed the cause of the ANC.''
Cele said: ''I am a soldier and will be back. Even if it bankrupts me, I will expose the abuses of power. There was a persecution [of me] with no evidence to rely on.
''Attempts by my legal team to challenge the lack of evidence were denied, with Moloi saying a criminal investigation against me was warranted.
''I was thrown into the inquiry deliberately to be humiliated, with Moloi abandoning his oath to pursue the plot to get me out of office.''
Cele said he was concerned about how Zuma had come to his decision to fire him: ''How can I be unfit to hold office if the president has praised my crime-fighting abilities?''
The public protector had found that he had not signed any lease agreement, did not have a relationship with Roux Shabangu - the owner of the two buildings the police tried to lease - and there was no evidence of corruption in the culmination of Shabangu concluding the lease agreements with the Public Works Department, Cele said.
''The one adverse finding the public protector made against me was deliberately distorted to make a case of corruption. The finding was that I failed to ensure the lease agreements . were preceded by proper supply-chain management processes within the SAPS and were put out to tender.''
Cele said he would question the public protector over her conclusion on this issue.
He had initially welcomed the idea of the inquiry.
"My lawyers were going to cross-examine the witnesses.
"My court battle will lay bare the monumental errors of fact, logic and law that litter Moloi's report,'' Cele said.



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Posted 341 days agoBornintheRSA
KafreeMoneykey
That is spot on! Everyone knows everyone's closet and dirty linen!
BradPeng
Timbuck9
Posted 341 days agoWe do not care where you end up, might be a Car Guard at the Union Buildings, or a Toilet Cleaner in Tuinhuis..... but where ever you end up... it must be as FAR AWAY from the Tax Payers money!
You are a SERIOUS PIECE of RUBBISH and WE, the Tax Payers are THRILLED to see the BACK OF YOU!!!!!
SecretVoice
BornintheRSA
dexterlogan
Posted 341 days agoMakoya1zn
Makoya1zn
Politicallycorrect
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It's pathetic how these politico's suddenly develop a sense of righteousness the minute their comrades turn on them. My advice to the Cowboy, go stick your head where the sun doesn't shine.
Makoya1zn
Posted 341 days agoTake them down Cele
bugsy
Makoya1zn
Stirrer
Posted 341 days agoMakoya1zn
Posted 341 days agoSecretVoice
dexterlogan
South African voters still think about politics personally. It's time to change that mind set and think about politics economically.
Makoya1zn
dexterlogan
Makoya1zn
RSA.MommaCyndi
Posted 341 days agoCele does have a point. It is curious that none of the investigations bothered to follow the money trail. Roux must have paid someone a kickback or bought them a house but the investigators either can't be bothered looking or they don't want to know the answers.
Makoya1zn
Posted 341 days agoStirrer
The other alternative is that Roux is an ANC benefactor (getting inflated public income and covertly passing the difference over to the ANC)!
Makoya1zn
Makoya1zn
Posted 341 days agoSo i think it doesn't take a genius to figure out who got JZ cleared. The problem with JZ coming into power is that he owes it to so many people who worked dirty & tirelessly to get him there. So honestly speaking he owes them, i just think he is caught between a rock & a hard place.
RSA.MommaCyndi
Ngcuka and McCarthy both denied that the conversation took place and they both requested that they be allowed to hear the tapes for themselves. Suddenly the tapes disappeared. The legalities of using evidence that is illegally obtained and a plagiarised judgement (which didn't even stand up when it was originally used) is also very questionable.
This is the danger of having a compromised president. It is not what you know or who you know - it is what you know ABOUT who you know
Makoya1zn
Posted 341 days agoImagine the President involved in a plot that would have brought the whole goverment to its knees.
RSA.MommaCyndi
The problem is that if the conversation was between Ngcuka and McCarthy then why would letting them hear their OWN conversation be a compromise of National Security? JZ's lawyer heard the conversation and the country didn't turn to dust. Heck. Mbeki was the president and he wasn't allowed to hear the tapes so one has to wonder just how they decide on the level of security access.
Until we have a 'Watergate' type outing of all of these intertwined plots, they are simply going to keep forcing compromised candidates into the presidency to cover them up. I don't particularly want to see our government brought to its knees but if they have to keep putting in candidates who's hands are dirtier and dirtier in order to keep the secrets - it is likely that the country will be brought to its knees. That has far more serious ramifications
m1si2zi3nzo4
And we call a 'democracy' a system where criminals simply shift and replace one another from power, when their mercenary actions get threatened with exposure, leading to loss of power.
UDFSupporter
Posted 341 days agoI sometimes think that all ANC politicians were simply born crooked and that they must have emanated from a defective gene pool. But hell, there are just so many other ordinary South Africans who have the exact same attributes. Greed at all costs; zero accountability; no remorse for crimes committed against the poorest of the poor; heads-in-the-sand mentality about employment and the ability to implement solutions to our country's "challenges".
Makoya1zn
Posted 341 days agoIt is easy crying foul when things don' go your way right?. It's only the begining there is Nationalisation, secrecy bill, amendment of the constitution & many more to come. I wonder what u will be saying then. Brace urselves. The struggle of OR Tambo thats's what i'm giving you. my ANC, my Vision, my Future. By the way who is better to lead this counrty DA, COPE or IFP or pleaseeeeeeeeee
SecretVoice
BTW why are you continually changing your name. Who are you hiding from?
Makoya1zn
Makoya1zn
Posted 341 days agom1si2zi3nzo4
Francis
Posted 341 days agoBy now 2012, we will never forget that there is no honour between criminals!
That's why they wish to act in secrecy like rats. And hopefully, like rats they soon will hide in sewers before being eliminated the kadaffi way.
Makoya1zn
Francis
When referring to your friend kadaffi, zuma and ilk, I expect that history books will mention them like they do with the great Roman Emperor Caligula. Celebrities who miss one of the five are the colours in the books and make reading less tiresome.
Makoya1zn
Posted 341 days agoRSA.MommaCyndi
Conversations can be taken out of context and whole sentences can be left out to make them sound like something they were not. Without access to the evidence, the defence is left with the impossible task of trying to prove a negative.
RSA.MommaCyndi
(was originally for the media muzzling bill but it could relate to the tapes too?)
Makoya1zn
As Al capone once said: Politics have relation to morals
RSA.MommaCyndi
That is going from the sublime to the ridiculous as if a person is not entitled to defend themselves and ANYTHING that could prosecute someone is taken as unchallengeable due to a level of security (that even sitting state president cannot verify) - well then Zuma should be in jail as all accusations are automatically true. Therein lies the dirty great hole in your argument.
No argument was put forward as to why the information was a matter of state security and no verification was made as to what form of a threat it would pose. Hence it has to be assumed that the secrecy act was invoked purely to prevent Zuma from making good on his promises to 'not go down alone' and 'spill the beans'.
Makoya1zn
Maybe u can tell me just 1 country that does not have protection of information Bill. People are not accusing the Bill itself just the PUBLIC INTEREST clause on the bill of which it will be difficult to decide which information is of public interest hence the delay but believe me it will come into effect & I for one can not wait for dat day.
Who do u honestly van run this country better than the ANC? You know we as people have a tendency to complain & whine instead of appreciating what SA has achived thus far in just under 2 decades compared to 5 decades of Aprtheid when we were treated even less than human beings. I may move forward but i will never forget what our parents had to go through in those trying times in fact i'm bitter about it.
But i don't blame people its in their nature. The people of Israel turned against Moses after he had rescued them from Egypt so why should i expect u to be different.
buddi
Makoya1zn
Makoya1zn
RSA.MommaCyndi
.... and what were they supposed to base their case on? Tapes that could not be heard and had already disappeared?
Don't try to muddy the waters by hauling out the apartheid card or the Witgevaar card. Nowhere did I make this into a political issue. Yes, it is about individuals within a political party and their factions but this is more than the ANC or DA or any other party. Just in case you are of the belief that Mbeki was a DA member, may I remind you that he was the head of the ANC so it was an INTERNAL problem and had nothing at all to do with Verwoerd, Malan or any other person who was morse dood at the time.
Makoya1zn
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RSA.MommaCyndi
Theye
Posted 341 days agoMakoya1zn
I think he was the best police commissiner we have had since 1994.
Next we are changing the economic policy, we are are adopting 'GEAR' policy. My ANC, my Vision, my Future. I won't lie to you under the ANC ruling i have succeeded in life, so can anyone blame me for that. I am content with them in power till JESUS comes back.
danny.archer3
Posted 341 days agoSoisSo
Posted 341 days agoMakoya1zn
Economic emancipation at all costs even if it means we have to change the constitution itself with the majority we enjoy.
SoisSo
Posted 341 days agoConradp
Posted 341 days agodanny.archer3
Makoya1zn
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 341 days agoIf its not apartheid, racism, etc, something else is always to blame, other than the person who gets paid for doing it.
This can be attributed to decades of life in exile, where some other states had to take care of the elite, without them lifting a finger.
Makoya1zn
Who is to blame for that let me guess The ANC lol, U people will say anything to ndiscredit the movement but hey i guess its the freedom of expression that the ANC gave you. I rest my case
Wiseguy
In fact, your alluded suggestion, that someone/something must be to blame to them going into exile in the first place, while correct, is indeed further/additional evidence of this diagnosis!!
We need leaders who will take resposibilities for their own actions and who will put the people(ALL the people) first in government!!
Wiseguy
In fact, your alluded suggestion, that someone/something must be to blame to them going into exile in the first place, while correct, is indeed further/additional evidence of this diagnosis!!
We need leaders who will take responsibilities for their own actions and who will put the people(ALL the people) first in government!!
Makoya1zn
I'll listen on the radio lol. Answer me then we'll talk.
Wiseguy
You see what you in the ANC so often tell us is that so many bad things are the 'blame' of Apartheid and its consequances......and I/we agree with you, but what you so conveniently forget to mention is that we are all victims(every single citizen of RSA in one way or another) of this Apartheid mentality and its consequances. As such, we need a leader in RSA who can set an example to us ALL, as to just how we can slowly grow into a non-racial, tolerant, non-discriminatory society, with equal opportunity for all, while respecting and upholding the law and the constitution!! OH and equal opportunity means NO racism, nepotism, cronyism, favouritism or tribalism, btw!!!!
Big ask, yes I know, ;-))....but nothing wrong in striving for perfection is there?
Now answer me this....why do you want to listen to the radio?
Wiseguy
Rule 1: Do no harm ( which includes corruption, stealing, nepotism, cronyism, tribalism, racism, sexism, mal-administration, greed, and all criminal offences ect ect)
Rule 2: Do good (which includes setting an excellent example of non-racism, hard work, tolerance, understanding, respect, helping the people in numerous ways, growing and building the country and its people ect ect).
Makoya1zn
My question(u did not seem to get) was who would u like to lead this country(a person not a type).
What u have described to me is an Idead candidate or should i say a perfect person but in reality no leader will ever be like that ever(worldwide).
To be a president means u have to make or take decision not to please a few but for the greater good of the country. I think our GOV does make that decision at the moment if not why would JZ be at Union Buildings, people have spoken & ANC almost got 2 thirds majority. Unless u tell me the votes were rigged or something. To me the people have spoken, 11 millions South Africans have spoken.
To me democracy is where the majority rules & i think in SA we have that at the moment. Unless ANC losses elections i will always believe they are doing a good job. Democracy is not only an opinion of the minority but that of the majority. If u think 11 million voters are all stupid then i don't know who is clever. I do agree ANC have their weak side but so is everyone else that means there are bound to be problems because individuals work for GOV & u cannot help what an individual might/might not do. All we have to do is to fire those corrupt individuals which i think they are doing. Since 2010 more than 185 GOV members who were corrupt or not doing their jobs were fired, to me this shows commitment from GOV to speed up service delivery & get rid of corrupt individuals.
Once again i'll listen on the radio.
Makoya1zn
Wiseguy
Now who do I want....hmmmm, u see the problem is, even as a fairly well informed member of the public, I just don't now enough about our potential leaders to make any sort of informed decision. Often, thanks to the media, all we get is bad publicity about them and their potential replacements! And it is difficult to them decide on anyone capabilities or integrity for that matter?
It would be nice if there was more public debate, as in, if potential leaders would debate certain issues in the publics eye.....then we would get a better understanding of them and gauge one against the other and see how they stand on certain issues....... Like they are made to do in the USA and UK.
As it stands now, it is really only about 1000 ANC delegates who actually decide who will lead the good ship RSA......hardly democratic, I may add, and potentially open to abuse, just given the small numbers involved ??
We should consider a seperate presedential election, as they do in many other countries, where the entire country votes, with several public debates between candidates, which whould give us ignoramuses a chance to better judge the person and their merits or demerits, as it is!!
OK, I will now leave u to your radio?? whats on??
Wiseguy
Ok, so why listen TO the radio??
Oh and excuse all the typo's in the previous post.....my hurrying!!?
Makoya1zn
U see public debate doesn't prove who's better than who but all it proves is who can lie & talk better. If that was the case JZ would have gotten about 20 million votes(the man is a great speaker). Look at what happened to Senator McCain against Obama he was outtalked but Obama is failing USA dismally.
I am a 2nd year student through UNISA(political Science) & the first rule of politics is promise everything & deliver what u can. Politics have no relation to morals hence its not for the weak & faint hearted.
For the 3rd time i will listen ON the radio not TO the radio. was supposed to be a joke but i guess u left ur humour in bed this morning