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Wed Jun 19 14:25:33 SAST 2013

Malema stirs the pot in Zim

Vladimir Mzaca | 26 June, 2012 00:09
Lambasting the Movement for Democratic Change, Zanu-PF's partner in the fragile coalition government, got Malema into trouble with the ANC and later formed the basis of some of the charges against him during his first disciplinary hearing.
Image by: ELIZABETH SEJAKE

Fired ANC Youth League president Julius Malema has directed another stinging attack at President Jacob Zuma - this time telling a Zimbabwe newspaper Zuma does not like President Mugabe and is not fit to be the mediator in that country's global political agreement.

"I don't think President Zuma is a neutral facilitator in the Zimbabwe problems.

"He has very strong views about President Robert Mugabe and Zanu-PF. All you see is very pretentious, not helpful at all," Malema was quoted as saying by the weekly Sunday Mail. Yesterday the Presidency dismissed Malema's claim.

Malema struck a chord with Zanu-PF supporters for his support of Mugabe's party when he visited Zimbabwe in 2010. But his published remarks lambasting the Movement for Democratic Change, Zanu-PF's partner in the fragile coalition government, got him into trouble with the ANC and later formed the basis of some of the charges against him during his first disciplinary hearing.

Since then Malema has reportedly been communicating with Zimbabwe's Indigenisation Minister, Savior Kasukuwere, whom he referred to as a close friend in the Sunday Mail interview.

Some political analysts in Zimbabwe have cautioned against his comments being taken seriously, lest they affect relations between the countries - even though he has been expelled by the ANC.

Zuma, the SADC-appointed mediator on Zimbabwe, has stood firm on the need for that country's political parties to implement a number of agreed political and other reforms as a precursor to free and fair elections - sometimes incurring the wrath of Zanu-PF heavyweights in the process.

"Malema is being used by some elements from Zanu-PF to discredit President Zuma.

"His statement should be understood on that level, otherwise it could spoil relations between Harare and Johannesburg," said Dr Ibbo Mandaza, a political commentator.

Presidency spokesman Mac Maharaj said Malema's statement was being ignored. "It has no bearing in helping Zimbabwe arrive at an election which produces a credible result - and a government supported through that electoral process," Maharaj said.

In recent months Zuma and his facilitation team have been on the receiving end of hate speech by Zanu-PF hardliners who feel his stance on polls is working to the advantage of the MDC.

Professor Jonathan Moyo, a powerful Zanu-PF figure, has even called for the SADC to recall Zuma from the Zimbabwean mission.

He also insulted the facilitation team, headed by Lindiwe Zulu, Zuma's foreign policy adviser.

Zulu said Malema's views would not affect her team's work.

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SuiGeneris

Posted 358 days ago
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Who is malema ? Yesterday's nobody !!! He can only speak for himself in his private capacity !!!
He holds no government or anc or ancyl position !!!
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Stirrer

Posted 358 days ago
Truedat, SuiGeneris!
But he is a useful idiot, available for short-term gains before being summarily ejected. Like helping to get a flawed president elected (Zuma), or helping a flawed president to remain in office (Mugabe)!
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rahima

Posted 358 days ago
He's now like that Tony E-something in Cape Town. Every week he has to say something just to show how stup id he is

Timbuck9

Posted 358 days ago
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I suppose this "BISTO KID" will ALWAYS be pee'd off, because his RIDE ON THE GRAVY TRAIN ENDED SO SOON!

He is hoping for another run in December..... then the GRAVY MIGHT GET THICKER!!!!

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 358 days ago
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It is inconceivable that anyone could be this clueless. Malema and his 'imperialist tenancies' are nothing but an embarrassment to the country. How on earth he managed to get into a leadership position is beyond belief
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 358 days ago
Hello my Zimbabwe refuge
Explain to me what do you mean when you said Malema and his 'imperialist tenancies' are nothing but an embarrassment to the country. Who is embarrassed by the truth?

Back to the topic mr Malema[the future president] is correct zuma is not solution to zimbabwe problem but obstacle to development of indigenous zimbabweans. The zimbabweans should just carry on without mediator if the mediator is zuma, only zimbabweans has solution to their problem not the outsiders amen.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 358 days ago
Hey Bong,
How goes it with my favourite alien?
You recon that it is good for any country (or individual) to dictate what political direction a neighbouring country should follow? That is called imperialism.
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 358 days ago
He just giving ideas to help our african neighbours who need assistance now seeing the zuma is ever clueless.lol. Read my last paragraph and i mean it, serious Cyndi.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 358 days ago
I have no clue why Zuma is faffing around in Zim to start with. Not like we don't pay him to do his job HERE. These SA presidents who think they are the minister of foreign affairs are irritating me. SA deserves better than to be treated like a brief stop-over between trips.

Zim has got to the point where it cannot sort itself out without help. Short of a full scale civil war, the only solution to their problems is a mediation process.
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Wiseguy

Posted 358 days ago
@Bong....the BIGGEST obstacle to the development of indigenous Zimbo's is the outdated system of "tribal governance-african style".....with its patriarchy/autocracy/dictatorial style and loyalty to the chief above ALL methodologies still in play now in the 21st centuary ??

If Zimbo's leaders were honest and fair to their "desire" to uplift/empower the "indigenous people" of Zim they would allow true democracy to prevail with its associated freedoms.
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 358 days ago
I have no clue why Zuma is faffing around in Zim to start with. Not like we don't pay him to do his job HERE.
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You make me laugh here, you forget to mention that we are feeding him and multiple wifes and millions children.
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mbongwa_mugabe

Posted 358 days ago
Wiseguy
loyalty to the chief..
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I like your thinking it's good for you not us africans. So what you saying african must show no respect for their kings and queen while whites are praying their queen Elizabeth. sies.
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Wiseguy

Posted 358 days ago
@Bong......you/we r admitedly both genaralising which isn't good, my educated guess is that way fewer "whites"(percentage wise) put loyalty to the queen above good governance and personal needs, while a much larger percentage of "indigenous africans" put loyalty to the chief/king above good governance and personal needs still !!! Yes, it is a generaliztion but one I believe founded in truth!
Secondly, true democracy and its associated freedoms prevail in Britain (your reference to the Queen I assume means Britain), while the same can not be said for Zimbo land...unfortunately !!!
By example, at the Queen's recent jubilee, there was a protest of hundreds/thousands of people calling for a republic in Britain.....on the banks of the river while she was sailing down the Thames.
Now what would have happened in deepest tribal Zimbo land if the people held a protest for democracy on the Kings?chiefs Bday ?? I would think the people would be to scared of the consequances to do anything like that??? What do you think Bong?

BTW, I have no loyalty to any Queen/King or chief....I am and remain a humanitarian.
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Wiseguy

Posted 358 days ago
@Bong....don't misunderstand me. Africans can have their Kings/Queens and chiefs and respect them as much as they want.....but they should play no role in the democratic process or governance of the people UNLESS they are elected by fair democratic processes to govern by the people. If so, they should then be subjected to re-election and if the people decide they are poor at governing, the people must have the right and freedom to vote in another governor!

As we all know, the issue of land ownership, has not been adequately resolved and is still on the table for most indigenous africans......part of this problem, and I believe a significant part are the Tribal system of land governance....where the tribe "owns" the land, but the king/chiefs/queens decide who lives where, how and why in a fairly autocratic/dictatorial fashion. The king/chief/queen can then, at a whim or for no particular reason decide/rule that Mr X must vacate his portion of land for Mr Y.......and they MUST OBEY! The laymen/peasants/man in the streets, individual right to land is very very tenuous and vulnerable! Any disloyalty to the King/Chief/Queen and he and his family will in all likelyhood have there land taken away.
So in the tribal areas of Africa there is no individual land ownership per se and individual rights are limited, in some areas severely !This is a reality that needs to be correctly fixed by democratisation of the tribal areas and instilling an individuals right to land ownership.....where nobody can take the land away from that individual/family on the basis on disloyalty.
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Wiseguy

Posted 358 days ago
Last line should read.....on the basis OF disloyalty!
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Wiseguy

Posted 358 days ago
Bong...regarding the Tribal system of land governance and "ownership"......it is unfortunately subject to abuse of power and as a result severely limits an individuals freedom. It is outdated and needs to be replaced with a new system/model that protects an individuals rights to land !

Thuka-Thuka

Posted 358 days ago
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The fact that the Sunday Mail published a comment from our resident Barney speaks volumes for the press in Zim. Rather than print articles about the dire conditions of their own people, they'd rather print articles citing numpty's views on mediation. Brilliant. Oi. Zanu-PF. Our Barney has a lot of free time. Please offer him a job. You'd be doing us South African's a HUGE favour....!
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Wiseguy

Posted 358 days ago
Malema is already in ZANU-PF employ.....the cows are just a co-payment, ;-)!

I suspect he has been in their employ for some time.....hence the ANCYL executive singing from Mugabes/ZANU-PF's hymm book !

ZANU-PF/Mugabe would like nothing more than to see RSA make the exact same stup1d mistakes they made in bad governance, not to mention the "kick-backs" for their corrupt leaders.... if the current ANCYL exec(including suspended members) ever came to real political power in this country!!
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

Posted 357 days ago
All I can say is that greatness is not defined by the trappings of office nor titles that people hold. Julius Malema's ideas are actually winning the day at the ANC Policy Conference. Hit him hard, my son! Hit them hard, my son! Zuma and his factionalists ain't seen nothing yet!

SoisSo

Posted 358 days ago
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Malema's game is simple to understand. The aim is to discredit Zuma and see him out in Mangaung, then whoever gets elected president of the ANC, together with his/her NEC, will review the disciplinary committees expulsion decision, re-instate him as the ANCYL president and then recall Zuma as President of SA based on Zuma's perceived breach of the Constitution by becoming a dictator. Well the Provinces have began a low tone grumble at the ANC's top leadership and doubts are being spread like wild fire about Zuma and Mantashe's ability to deliver on the ANC's manifestos and the Freedom Charter; Zuma and Mantashe are now seen as puppets --- and frankly this labelling best fit them as they never say anything profound when they deliver speeches. Honestly they sound stupid. Tokyo, or whoever is Anybody But Zuma will win Mangaung! Many scandals and expose's are on their way and our beloved journalists will have to work overtime following leads. Malema was kicked out because he was an expired - danger to eat- piece of chicken but now he is outright rotten and he's poisonous. He will dictate who becomes President of the ANC in Mangaung, whether we believe it or not.

Black-Moses

Posted 358 days ago
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Malema stirs pot and is smoking pot...and that's for sure.

mcritic

Posted 358 days ago
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Malema used to be anti-Mugabe initially - but suddenly changed his tune during a vist to Zimbabwe. He was likely bribed by Mugabe - the press spoke about cattle - but the truth may be probably something like $5 million from diamond revenue - which never seems to reach the Zim Government.

The first signs of his rebellion came in an attack on Khama and his proposal for removal of Khama. At the inauguration of the GNU government Mugabe chanted "Botswana OOOH - Botswana OOOH" repeatedly and it was evident that he hated Khama and would love to see him removed from power - especially after Khama provided protection for Tsvangirai when he fled Zimbabwe after the June 2008 bloodnbath. The enxt surprise was when Malema changed his tune resulting in repoeated praizing of Mbeki that was a hard Mugabe supporter all the time.

Unfortunately one thing Malema fail to understand is that more than 80% of Zimbabweans are jobless and millions are starving because of Mugabe and his policies. Number 1 in the list of policies is for Mugabe to remain in control and to fleece off everything. Mugabe today is one of the richest people in the World - whilst his people are of the poorest. Everything in Zimbabwe has collapsed - education, health care, agriculture, infrastructure - you name it and it is definitely worse than the case was in 1990.

The main problems started in 1997 - when it became evident that the population was getting tired of Mugabe and his looting cronies. When they lost the 2000 referendum, Mugabe panicked and started with his chaotic land program - also seeing an opportunity for further enrichment of himself and his cronies. They got 60% of the land taken over and the general population 40%. Every effort to do a land audit is resisted and land is beimng used to try and buy political support - but it is evident that agricutural production has plummeted and Zimbabweans now has to be fed through donations by the hated West.

Despite that Mugabe lost the 2002 election and every one since - but cooking of results became the norm. However - he was not prepared for the shcok in 2008 and thought it would work out for him if he could manage 40% of the vote - as the 15% crooked tally would acrry him through. Shock was he only got 27% and the five weeks delay in announcement of results was used to add 15%. If he got 40% the 15% would have carried him over the 50% plus 1 vote.

Why is Malema so enamoured with Mugabe? He sees opportunities for unlimited looting if Mugabe's policies are implemented in SA - and that remains the key. I would not credit anything said by him about Mugabe in any other way.
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Francis

Posted 357 days ago
Please read the "Legislature in the anc pipeline" about TRADITIONAL COURTS and you will see how close Tribalism borders slavery, more cruel and abusive than the Portuguese slave drivers ever implemented towards their African catch.
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Francis

Posted 357 days ago
Please read the "Legislature in the anc pipeline" about TRADITIONAL COURTS and you will see how close Tribalism borders slavery, more cruel and abusive than the Portuguese slave drivers ever implemented towards their African catch.
h t t p://w w w.justice.gov.za/legislation/bills/2012-b01tradcourts.pdf
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emil.loffler1

Posted 352 days ago
Yep, the African way is to criminally take from the whites and offer it to the black voting masses, in return for black votes, as all the usual corrupt, uneducable blacks posing as leaders or Presidents, such as mugabe, zuma, malema etc.