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Fri May 24 02:49:11 SAST 2013

SA at boiling point, Zuma warns ANC

DOMINIC MAHLANGU, CHANDRÉ PRINCE and CAIPHUS KGOSANA | 27 June, 2012 00:02
ANC president Jacob Zuma speaks at the party's policy conference in Midrand.
Image by: ALON SKUY

SOUTH Africa has reached boiling point and needs radical policy changes to quell the rising anger of ordinary citizens.

Explaining his backing of the hotly debated "second transition" policy proposal, President Jacob Zuma said yesterday that the ANC could no longer sit back and watch its people live in squalor.

Zuma, now three years in office, confessed to sleepless nights after seeing extreme poverty.

But, he warned, South Africa could not afford to be a country of "social grants".

Yet the ANC agreed at its previous elective conference, in Polokwane, to extend eligibility for child grants to 18 years and to set the pensionable age for men and women at 65.

Speaking to journalists at the ANC policy conference in Midrand, Zuma said South Africa needed solutions to rising poverty and unemployment.

"I have paid visits to a number of areas where you can't believe that you are in South Africa. Why should I see that as the president of the country, not even of the ANC, and think that I could sleep peacefully when I know there are people who live in things you can't even describe as a house?"

As president of a party meant to improve the quality of life of the poor, Zuma said, he could not be silent on such critical issues.

"It's a very serious matter . If I didn't know, or if I had forgotten [why I joined the struggle and fought to liberate people of this country], then I could sleep peacefully. I can't," he said.

Though Zuma strongly pushed, in both his opening address and subsequent press conference, for a second transition, some ANC members remained sceptical.

They expressed a cynical view of the proposal, saying it was full of "Marxist jargon" and was just an "expression of analytical impatience" and a "buy-in" to get Zuma re-elected as party president in Mangaung in December.

The ANC in Gauteng, Limpopo, Eastern Cape and Western Cape have rejected the second transition document.

Gauteng said it was not convinced that "the introduction of this inadequately theorised thesis helps us to respond strategically, consistently and adequately to the triple fault-lines of unemployment, poverty and inequality".

Two weeks ago, Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe - widely regarded as Zuma's main rival for the ANC presidency - disparaged the concept: "Second transition! Second transition! Second transition! From what, from where to where? What constituted the first transition?

"What were the tasks of that phase? Have all those tasks been accomplished or not," Motlanthe said at a public lecture.

But Zuma yesterday dismissed the view that the document was his personal re-election agenda, saying it was the concept of an organisation, not an individual.

"If the conference fails to decide on these matters, it will be the ANC that failed . it will be a reflection of the ANC and not of an individual.

"Every day as I wake up, my worry is what do you do with the conditions of these [poor] people. And I know them. Therefore part of what these documents are [trying to do] is deal with this reality."

The prospect of Mangaung loomed large yesterday as delegates discussed policy documents in relation to the coming leadership battle.

Over the next three days, delegates will deliberate on the policy proposals. Their resolutions will be tabled in Mangaung.

Though the elective conference is six months away, the signs of division were clearly visible during the opening session of the conference.

Shortly after Zuma delivered his opening address, delegates from KwaZulu-Natal, Eastern Cape and Mpumalanga broke into song in praise of him. In contrast, Gauteng and Limpopo members were silent.

Zuma later defended the singing, saying it was ANC tradition to sing about its leaders.

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Gormogon1

Posted 330 days ago
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Are you only realising this now? My goodness, but it takes long for these issues to penetrate your thick skull.
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gwelo62

Posted 326 days ago
Zimbabwe-squared. SA is going downhill just as Zimbabwe did. Just more slowly because there is so much more to steal.

i_stub_born

Posted 330 days ago
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"Why should I see that as the president of the country, not even of the ANC, and think that I could sleep peacefully when I know there are people who live in things you can't even describe as a house?"

That's why I built my castle for the poor (busteds) across from have something nice to see and I drink champagne on their behalf every single day.....And I taught my children to do their best to be role models to the poor, so they can see they can also have weddings with Lamborghinis and french dresses sooome day........if I am re-elected, that is.........

Mike123

Posted 330 days ago
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It must be getting close to election time.

mzansi-wanda

Posted 330 days ago
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Gormogon when our Black Minister's drive around in their flashy cars, I always wonder, do these people have family in townships? There are shacks in all Gauteng townships, and most of the hourses are the apartheid era built four roomed matchbox houses. I wonder how do these people sleep at night when their faimily members never mind people unrelated to them live in such conditions.

This is beyond greed, corruption, etc, I think some of our politicians simply no longer care about anyone but themselves. It is scary to say the least.
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Mike123

Posted 330 days ago
Do you honestly think that they give a damn? I'm sure that Zuma's sudden sleepless nights are motivated more by the possibility of not being elected for a 2nd term (and then get dragged into court to face his accusers, with regard to the arms deal) , than by any real need to actually DO something for the people of South Africa.
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Black-Moses

Posted 330 days ago
@I Love the truth

I was responding to Theye who said nothing positive has been attained by ANC led government since 94. I for one am not an ANC member, yes i do agree with you on a number of issues you raised...as long as cadre deployment is an ANC policy we are heading nowhere very fast.

State embezzlement did not start in 94, it has sophistically manifested itself since the begining of time. If my memory serves me right, there are still some Kruger Rands lying somewhere in Mpumalanga, where did they from? How did they end up there? Was that not daylight robbery, just like Charles Taylor, Saddam Hussein, Mobutu Seseko in modern times. State corruption is worse than AIDS.
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UDFSupporter

Posted 330 days ago
@mzansi-wanda: Your comment reminded me how people loathed those apartheid "matchbox houses". Now everyone has the vote and very few will ever qualify for a free "matchbox house". The ANC regime can only deliver empty promises and our nation continues to breed fresh generations of illiterate simpletons who buy all the ANC's lies. Is this what we struggled for?

Les4uu

Posted 330 days ago
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"Explaining his backing of the hotly debated "second transition" policy proposal, President Jacob Zuma said yesterday that the ANC could no longer sit back and watch its people live in squalor".

There was never a "First Transition"
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Mike123

Posted 330 days ago
There was a "First Transition" - It happened when we replaced the white criminals in our country, with black criminals.
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Les4uu

Posted 330 days ago
@Mike123
This so called "First Transition" is a joke really... Zuma must stop dreaming and go back to basics... like Allowing the court the trial him for 783 charges, ANC must get rid of cadre deployment, get rid of corrupt ANC leader like JGZ783 and Inc.
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Theye

Posted 330 days ago
Les4uu - Everything abou the ANC is a joke. I cannot think of one thing that the ANC has done since the release of Mandela to make the black South African or any South African proud to be a South African.
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Mike123

Posted 330 days ago
@Theye: They got rid of Juju. We can be proud of that.
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Black-Moses

Posted 330 days ago
Theye said, i cannot think of one thing that the ANC has done since the release of Mandela to make the black South African or any South African proud to be a South African, full stop.

To a certain extent ANC brought ''democracy'' in that lies the freedom of speech. When PW Botha was the head honcho of apartheid, you wouldn't see or hear the comments posted on this web site. To date, in most undemocratic African countries you can never post any comment which is deemed anti-goverment, you disappear without trace. At least today i can gladly call Zuma a big buffoon without fear. Give credit where credit is due. Yes it is still a long way to go before each and every South African is proud to be South Afican, you included.
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chipshot

Posted 330 days ago
Theye
Posted 28 minutes ago
Les4uu - Everything abou the ANC is a joke. I cannot think of one thing that the ANC has done since the release of Mandela to make the black South African or any South African proud to be a South African.
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@Theye u must be out of your mind if you cant tell what the ANC has done since 1994, I am working in Forensics, currently occupied by whites, we are the first blacks to be trained in this field through out SA.on top of that we , blacks can stay and go anywhere anytime, previously that was not the case. Corruption is every where in private sectors whites are still earning more money compared to blacks.
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tefson

Posted 330 days ago
its 2 late for him and his friends to try and make sense to masses and the public,he is out and juju will be back pushing the reality show {nationalize the mines and repossess the land without compensation}.
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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 330 days ago
@Black-Moses

What is the use of freedom of speech if you live in a country where the government is corrupt and do not live up to the mandate given to them by the people? So far, they have only been enriching themselves, while destroying institutions, such as education, health, etc. You say, we still have a long way to go. How long do you need to destroy this country? We cannot put the same inept people in the driving position everytime and expect miracles. Without the people of this country, there would be no democracy, so the ANC must serve the people and not themselves. But I know my words are already lost on empty minds.

Theye

Posted 330 days ago
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The ANC has been living so long on the gravy train now that the president suddenly wakes up yesterday to how the ANC looting has left the nations masses poorer than ever before and then "informs" the other gravy train passengers that the country is on the brink. Well Good morning Mr President!!! We as ordinary citizens have known this for 10 years.Just shows how disgusting this ANC actualy is. It seems they only work once every four years and thats only to read from some prepared statement at a conference informing the ANC that the country is on the brink. But hey we all know the quick fix answer to that. Replace all the hard working taxpaying white males with gravy train ANC cadres.That should keep a couple of 100 000 X crosses next to our name on the ballot sheet come elections.

AfroTai-CHI

Posted 330 days ago
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"If the conference fails to decide on these matters, it will be the ANC that failed . it will be a reflection of the ANC and not of an individual".

Mr president with the amount of I this and I that in your speech??? you are just plain WRONG it is a reflection on you. Respectfully its time to move on sir.

SuiGeneris

Posted 330 days ago
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Zuma is a master at making false and unrealistic promises....[ One example is to create 500 000 jobs per year for the next 5 years ]

He is a dreamer and an idealist, but displays a total lack of ability to achieve any of his ideals.... a weakling as a leader of a country !!

Time for new blood......for the better I hope !

LindaSimone

Posted 330 days ago
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Recently there was a debate about whether or not the tax payers would "sponsor" all the president's wives, or just the first one. This debate was quickly squashed and pushed under the carpet. Maybe if the ANC government took the money we tax payers "sponsor" wives number 2, 3 and 4 with (and goodness knows how many more to come) and put it to good use, rather than supplying expensive cars, clothers, shoes, body guards, travel services, holidays etc to said wives, our president might be able to sleep better.

GermanMouser

Posted 330 days ago
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This government talks about the triple challenge, (fighting Unemployment, Bridging the gape between the rich & poor, fitting poverty), I'm really tide of this song & I thing I need a remix. This (triple challenge) song is outdated its no-longer deceiving poor people. This government needs to be ahead of poor people by coming up with more innovative lies.

This government is full of self pity & self praise they don’t address core issues, this government is pushing poor people against the wall & the coming outbreak it won't be easy to stop it, we are living in a ticking time bomb country & sings are everywhere. What I know is that poor people are very anger & they are tired to remain poor.
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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 330 days ago
You have hit the nail on the head! Anybody with half a brain should be able to hear the lies that Zuma is spewing out. How can this country be held ransom by the ANC by using the poor and ignorant? Something needs to be done drastically, as I fear we are heading for Zimbabwe, faster with each day.

Francis

Posted 330 days ago
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@ILoveTheTruth,
How can this country be held ransom.....?
The answer is simpel: BY 750.000 criminal anc members. Yes, 750.000 ARE ALL OF THEM, the rest are the sheep. 750.000 are indoctrinated by supper malice communist forces and hold
55.000.000 million ransom, Look into Wikipedia for Stalin who made an art to suck livelihood, put many on starvation and the majority without money, medical care and education and keeping the masses quit by a heavily armed police force ready to shoot to protect these 750.000 criminals.

KafreeMoneykey

Posted 330 days ago
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We shall review Section 25...this is but the only way to move forward in a true reconciliatory manner as South Africans.
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Wiseguy

Posted 330 days ago
I hope that review will bring individual rights (title deeds) to land ownership in the rural(tribal) areas too....? And that government will partnership with Tribal authorities to make certain those millions living under the tribal authorities have land of their own, in their own name !!

Or is the ANC just going to leave those millions of people and their families to remain serfs to the autocracy/dictatorship and potential abuse by their tribal rulers forever ?

If not you will create a problem, because everyone wants to own their own land(esp. those who currently have none in their name) and not be dictated too as to how, when and why they can use their land and for what ends......so if this proposed change is only focused on commercial farm and government land....you will end up with millions of more people coming out of the tribal areas to lay claim to land in their name !!! Where as, they/most already have a parcel of land to live and work on.....it just happens to be in the tribes name and under the autocratic rule of the tribal authority....which significantly diminishes any individuals freedom !
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KafreeMoneykey

Posted 330 days ago
@Wiseguy. I agree 100% with you, most people think that by reviewing Section 25 it means we are targeting whites. The chiefstaincy owns a lot of land, it becomes so difficult if you want to pump capital into the rural areas and catalise the rural development strategy.

Also, South Africans (esp. blacks) should understand that owning land and gaining from it requires commitment, discipline, dedication and focus! But we need to see and hear more from AgriSA that they are willing to drive transformation. Currently they are passive for my liking. I hope AfriForum will stop pushing their anti-transformation agenda and play the role of a civil organisation by representing all South African and not only the few.

There is anger out there and I hope most South Africans (esp. whites, and Indians in particular) will start recognising that we need to reform drastically.

As for those that are in power and are corrupt...we just managed to get 2 municipal managers to account and things are not looking good for them. Viva NGO Viva!

mcritic

Posted 330 days ago
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I am not altogether critical in this case - billions are made avaialble for service delivery but the money is not properly utilized. The ANC has to take some blame for non-delivery . The money is not spent due to incomptents appointed by local authorities - based on political expediency and corruption - largely the result of cadre deplayment.

One incident that happened recently in one Municipality is typical - there were two cadre appointments made and one of their first real actions was when he contract for service delivery was awarded to a company was to go to the owner, give him their bank account number and they told them that a letter of approval would be torn up if he does not pay a stipulated amount into their bank account. The Contractor was furious and reported them to Municipal Managment - who did nothing about it. When the info became public knowledge - they tried unsuccessfully to hush it up.

That is typical of what the situation in local government is throughout SA and then people wonder why services are not delivered. They would have to fire a huge number of cadres and appoint competent people in their place - then the situation would improve drastically and the money provided would benefit the people and go a long way to alleviate poverty and create jobs.

This should never be a racial issue and people should not blame it on one racial group or another.

One more thing Section 25 of the constitution protects everyone - not only the Whites. What would happen if somebody see your home and decided he wants it for himself at no cost - beware of that day. After all looting is common and should be avoided at all cost.

ODIN_EXPAT

Posted 330 days ago
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Big idea rhetoric ........ but as ALWAYS zero detail at all about how this will be acheived.

ANC track record:
Mbheki: high education, voters had high confidence and expectations: Delivered nothing

Zuma: Low education, voters had lower expectations Delivered: exactly what we expected nothing.

They run the country by selling minerals to the chinese and getting him and his government stinking rich. Short term benefits for very few people.

Where are the policies that stimulate real job creation?
Where are the policies that drive market and industrial development?
Where is the rule of law within government and police itself?

ANC shows an abscence of basic morals or principles in it's members and it's government.
why are we then surprised that our crime is out of control and so very vicious and cruel.

Tlatlaristo

Posted 330 days ago
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Let us be honest, very few people in south africa genuinely care for the poor or the poorest of the poor as they say. Displeasure about ANC (mis)governance is more a result of people/ the middle class fearing for their own welfare. It is more about their own comforts than conditions of the wretched of the earth...
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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 330 days ago
This is a rather "narrow" comment to make. The poor do not speak up against the corrupt government as they either do not understand the politics or do not have access to forums such as this, so they suffer in silence. ANC poor governance affects all of us. So whether middle and working class speaks out is irrelevant. You do not hear the rich and the corrupt politicians speaking out and demanding justice for all, especially the poorest of the poor. It seems that in your view you want everyone to shut-up and not criticize the ANC whether they are corrupt or not.
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 330 days ago
@ Tlatlaristo...wow, how insightful. People looking out for number one...who would have thought hey!!! Hell everybody does that...everybody, it's commonly referred to as 'self-preservation' and believe it or not has been around since the dawn of man. The difference is that most people while looking out for number one try to do it in a balanced fashion where more than just themselves benefit. This is borne in our genuinely altruistic nature, this resides in most of us hence our survival as a species BUT this seems to reside in fewer and fewer of us as time toils on and this will be the ultimate downfall that will lead to the demise of the human species for the greater part. Greed is the great corrupter and the way our leaders conduct themselves is furthering the destruction of moral and this beautiful altruism that exists in us. They are showing through THEIR actions that it's ok to ONLY look out for number one and get rich fast and never mind who you trample on while on that frought journey. The morality of society rest largely in the hands of the leaders as they are the policy makers who influence and ultimately direct the course of society and the current breed of leaders is pitiful and destructive and need to be removed and replaced by people who still believe in this country and it's people...well for the most part because remember that they will still be looking out for number one but will hopefully find the balance I referred to earlier.

sahomeschoolers

Posted 330 days ago
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It is currently almoste impossible for young people that are without matric and out of school, to get access to tertiary education or work. Unless the National Senior Certificate for Adults is introduced, any youth plan will be a failure.

bos

Posted 330 days ago
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Changing the leadership does that improve the people's live????
I have lost hope on that!!!!

Politic is just politic, people put hopes and dreams in political leadership.
Hoping they (politic leadership) can make a positive change.

When a car is faulty, changing a driver will not solve the car problems.
As a youth of this County i personal feel that old people are now lost the direction.

Most Managers in public and private sectors are in the implimatation key positions.
they are the one that are useless. i will love to see a protocal semilar to the counsellor's.
the protocal that will assist us as the people to remove the underperforming managers.

Manager must not be permanet, all of them must be on 5 years contract, no renewal.

Thanks