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Thu Jun 20 05:45:41 SAST 2013

Now ANC wants just six provinces

SIBONGAKONKE SHOBA and CHANDRÉ PRINCE | 29 June, 2012 00:36
President Jacob Zuma speaks during the start of an African National Congress (ANC) policy meeting in Midrand, north of Johannesburg, 2012.
Image by: SIPHIWE SIBEKO / REUTERS

South Africa might - if the ANC has its way - be reduced to six provinces in the next four years.

Though the proposal to have fewer provinces has regularly been raised by party officials, it appears that it has gained increasing support among delegates to the ANC policy conference in Midrand.

According to two senior party leaders, the legislature and governance commission has agreed to:

Merge Northern Cape, Western Cape and some parts of Eastern Cape. A combined Cape could give the ANC an upper hand over the DA in an election;

Incorporate the northern parts of Eastern Cape into KwaZulu-Natal. North West would cease to exist, as the commission has proposed that some parts of this province be merged with Gauteng and others with Limpopo;

Free State and Mpumalanga will remain unchanged; and

A presidential review committee be set up to handle the process.

This proposal was put on the table by the ANC Western Cape and Eastern Cape regions.

"There was consensus that the number of provinces be reduced," said one delegate.

Eastern Cape ANC provincial secretary Mlibo Qoboshiyane said the proposal was not about increasing the party's powers. It was, he said, about addressing huge anomalies, such as poverty, unemployment and inequality.

"Eastern Cape strongly argued that the [ANC's national executive committee] set up a team of experts to start working on the renewal of the current state, including national, provincial and local level, within the broad understanding that South Africa is one, sovereign and unitary," he said.

Eastern Cape is one of the most rural provinces and has been beset by maladministration.

Last year its provincial education department was placed under national administration.

Said Qoboshiyane: "We contend that there are huge challenges in the current feature of our state and its architect frame, especially when considering issues of inequality and unemployment.

"We further proposed that such be dealt with with extreme care to avoid state instability, respecting negotiated clauses during Codesa."

But DA leader and Western Cape Premier Helen Zille immediately dismissed the proposal as nothing but "gerrymandering boundaries to ensure that the DA cannot win provincial elections".

"It would be disastrous for service delivery, most importantly. This will only make large inefficient provincial governments even bigger, more internally divided and further removed from the people.

"We will resist these gerrymandering proposals to the limit. Most South Africans will see through them."

Zille said the proposal was "extremely complex, divisive, and unpopular in the ANC".

"It has no hope of going further than an internal ANC document," she said.

The proposal was expected to meet opposition at the plenary session held last night because some party structures were opposed to it - the provincial sphere of government is used to dispense patronage.

The reassessment of the demarcation of provinces has been a continuous subject of discussion in the ANC. Its 2002 conference briefly dealt with the issue.

At its 2007 Polokwane conference there was no consensus on how to take the debate further. It was the same at the ANC's national general council meeting in Durban in 2010.

In its current policy discussion document, the ANC proposes that the government "reform, rationalise and strengthen provinces".

Its main aim is "that we have fewer provinces which are functional, effective, economically sustainable, integrate communities on a non-racial basis and do away with ethnic boundaries".

Though the plenary session had not adopted a resolution yesterday, the commission - chaired by Deputy Minister of Public Service and Administration Amanda Dlodlo - agreed on decreasing the number of provinces.

The policy conference will have to come up with answers about the powers of provinces, the nature of support and capacity building.

However, delegates want the ruling party to give serious consideration to the constitutional requirements when reducing the number of provinces.

They also want key political parties to be sufficiently consulted and allowed space to play a role in shaping provincial reforms.

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BornintheRSA

Posted 355 days ago
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Another case of levelling the playing fields by pulling down the successful ones to the lower levels. It's not difficult to fix mal-administration in the E-province and others. Just requires the political will to put the peoples' needs before those of the party.
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Gormogon1

Posted 355 days ago
Sadly, the ANC are intimidated by success. This is even more so, when the success comes from a group of woman, i.e. Zille, Mazibuko and de Lille. In my view, the ANC are already a washed-up organisation, who are now resorting to desperate measures to keep their power.

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foxie123

Posted 355 days ago
BornintheRSA - agree with you it's not difficult to fix maladministration and indeed it's everywhere whether it's government or private co. However this is not just about maladministration. There's only one problem with the ANC, they tolerate the DA too much whereas they are in power.

Gormoron1 - is it success when Madam Zille call us refugees in our own country? is it success for Tea Girl to be rented as a window dresser? is it success for Arms de Lille to give recognition award to Obama as if we don't have prominent people to be recognised?
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eyetieinSA

Posted 355 days ago
Some things will just never change, non are so blind as those that will not see, If you need a solution for SA look inwards of the ANC, - deeply, reflect honestly, make amends, change the non-service delivery by HoD's, then retrain and reaffirm the required current policy's and levels of service expected by all HoD's and then manage and evaluate those results weekly so as to ensure they follow set policy and procedures as set out by Government. These basic simple management criteria's work in the rest of the non-Communist world - eg, the majority of the world, except in South Africa where when service delivery expectations are not met we change policy and benchmarks instead of the responsible people who dont perform their duties according to required standards, and then expect success. The easiest thing is to change policies but then all that changes is policies not the people entrusted to carry out service delivery which is what the ANC promised the poorest of the poor. While the ANC have the power, they have the power to change that which is not working, and yet the ANC also has the power to change that which is working,,,,,, you are the masters of our destiny for now, use it wisely or there will be nothing left to govern. Governments first duty is to protect and care for their people not run their lives for them and destroy their future.....in doing so observe a simple fact, "its not the people who make a success of what they do that destroys a country, the opposite is true, for they when the tide turns, they leave our shores to fine alternative sands in other countries to enrich with their abilities and know how, leaving behind an eventual wasteland. Please then consider the poorest of the poor before you destroy the reasons they elected the ANC....
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Gormogon1

Posted 355 days ago
foxie123

Using ad hominem attacks and setting up straw man arguments so that you can bash them down, is not arguing cogently and smartly.
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mzansi-wanda

Posted 355 days ago
You guys get worked up easily. It won't happen. Were it implemented it would mean 3 less premiers, HOD's, Municipal Managers and other top management posts.

Do you comrades acustomed to blue lights, VVIP treatment, heft salaries and other perks that go with the jobs will easily let go of same? Already the most corrupt and ineffective province EC, is saying it won't happen on their watch.

It is not happening. Quote me on this in 2020.

l984

Posted 355 days ago
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Sounds like the comrades have given up on service delivery as a noble way to win elections - and are now all desperate and worried that the Second Transition might coincide with the Second Coming of Jesus?
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Mpiyakhe1652

Posted 355 days ago
I'd say go for it, as you long as they are willing to swallow the impact that losing such a super province might have on them Nationally.

This could prove to be their undoing!

Daffy

Posted 355 days ago
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it wont make it any different even if the were 3 provinces and were under ANC rule they would STILL be run to the gutter! put the country first in appoinments, policy discussions and governance.

truthwins

Posted 355 days ago
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It seems that everything that the ANC contemplates is based on politics and strengthening of their own political absolute power rather than what is in the best interest for the country and it's people.
Their opportunism and political greed knows no bounds, even it means reducing South Africa to another African dysfunctional state, as is already apparent on national and local level.
The ultimate agenda of the ANC to reduce the number of provinces is very clear, namely to eliminate the Western Cape for pure political reasons as the Western Province is a thorn in the ANC's side because it is the only functional province at present. The Anc's inability to emulate the WC's good track record of excellence of honesty and service delivery is what urges them to destroy it.
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Timbuck9

Posted 355 days ago
Maybe we should get a petition going for the INDEPENDENCE OF THE WESTERN CAPE!!!

A "STAND ALONE" country..... considering it is the ONLY FUNCTIONAL Province in South Africa...
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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 355 days ago
@Timbuck9

"A "STAND ALONE" country..... considering it is the ONLY FUNCTIONAL Province in South Africa..."

This is actually an idea brought forward by the Cape Party and that is why I joined them. According to the Cape Party, it is possible to establish the WC as a country on it's own and must be allowed by the constitution. If this is not done soon, well as you can see the ANC wants to destroy the WC as they are currently doing to other provinces. It is obvious that they do not respect democracy unless it suits them.

The only thing here is that we will need leaders in the WC that will cater for everyone's needs and not just one group. The DA is by far only catering for the needs of a particular group and the colored folk are been neglected as usual. The only reason why coloreds vote DA is as an alternative to the ANC.
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Rabi_DumoDiko

Posted 355 days ago
Rubish man, what has the DA changed in the western cape since taking over the ANC? I'll tell you what...the shift of priorities, the BRT has routes in affluent suburbs and non going to the townships! The DA inhirited ANC plans in CPT in particular and took over a well oiled machine... And we cant compare rural provinces to urban provinces....The economic hub province of South Africa is led by the ANC and is very successful with clean audits, so when we compare successes lets not be blind, the DA can never lead a rural district because they simply do not understand the dynamics of those areas. A typical example was a DA member of parliament's complaints about mp's buying 4x4's, he showed just the level of understanding that the DA has about the terrain which most mp's constituencies are constructed.

nghunghunyane

Posted 355 days ago
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Well if this is to be succesful i think the gauge to be used would be the merger of university, disaster, if they cant manage that, then what more can they do with provinces, clearly ANC's policy are around winning in 2014 as opposed to service delivery

deebee

Posted 355 days ago
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Yet another rearranging of the deck chairs on the Titanic! The problem is not the number of provinces - it is the number of corrupt or inept cadres with absolutely no administrative skills sitting in key positions. Appoint people who have skills and are interested in delivery - not politically connected mamparas who have their family businesses lurking in the wings. Another load of utter BS from an increasingly desperate vampire elite.

Duzula

Posted 355 days ago
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This is not the first time this issue its been rise, but how good will this be to the ordinary people of South Africa?
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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 355 days ago
Absolutely no good for the Western Cape. The WC is not perfect, as it is still run apartheid style by the DA, but the choice of the ANC is worse as their track record is showing their incompetence. Only reason ANC wants this, is more power to the ANC. What happened to "power to the people"? This is what you get if you have weak-willed citizens, you get weak leaders!

zindela

Posted 355 days ago
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"...most South Africans will see through them."

Not True, Madame Zille; most South African are instrumental in returning The ANC to power and will, it is envisaged, continue to do so until the return of The Esteemed Lord.
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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 355 days ago
Can you absolutely, truly say that the ANC is doing good for our country? I am not saying the DA is a better alternative as they are racist and use coloured people to get into power, but really, the ANC is not my idea of an alternative. There are other parties, and I , as an incorruptible person joined the Cape Party. People must really decide what they want, as their votes are destroying this country.

FUNNYBWOY

Posted 355 days ago
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ZUMA IS FILL OF IT! HE IS ONLY INTERESTED IN SAVING HIS ASS FROM 801 CHARGES. WHY IS HE LEAVING FREE STATE AND MPUMALANGA? BEC HE HAS NOT PROBLEM WITH THOSE PROVINCES. HOW IS MERGING SOME PROVINCES GOING TO HELP RURAL AREAS IN EASTERN CAPE?. 2 PRESIDENTS OF S.A COME FROM EASTERN CAPE, SO WHATS BAFFLING TO ME IS WHY IS THE STILL MUDD SCHOOLS IN THE EASTERN CAPE? SIMPLE THEY'D RATHER SPENDING MILLIONS IN QUNU INSTEAD OF IMPROVING THE AREAS OR SOME TRIBAL KING. MPUMALANGA IS THE MOST CORRUPT PROVINCE AFTER MOSHOLOZI'S HOME PROVINCE, THEY SHOULD JOIN HALF OF MPUMALANGA INTO LIMPOPO AND THE REST INTO GAUTENG THAT MAKES SENCE. WHY DOES THE ANC HAVE A POLICY CONFRENCE BEFORE ELECTING A PRESIDENT? WHY NOT HAVE COMPETITION BETWEEN ZUMA AND KGALEMA? I'M TALKING ABOUT A POLICY DEBATE. I REALLY WANT TO SEE ZUMA ACTUALLY ATICULATE AND DEFEND HIS POSITION. ANC SYSTEM OF SELECTING A PRESIDENT IS DEEPLY FLAWED AND IT IS LEADING TOWARDS TRIBALISM AS WE SEE WHAT GOIN ON WITHIN THE ANC. FUNNY THING IS THAT SOMEBODY SAID TO ME THEY REALIZED HOW PROVINCES WERE SET UP WAS TO ALLOW A XHOSA DOMINATED GORV. NOW ZUMA IS TRYING TO MAKE A ZULU GORV. POLICIES THAT CONCERN S.A CITEZENS ARE NOT PROVINCES BUT, SERVICE DILEVERY, EDUCATION, SKILLED LABOUR DEVELOPMENT, PROPER HOUSING. WHILE ON THE TOPIC OF HOUSING! SO ANC'S PLAN IS TO KEEP BUILDING FREE HOUSING WITH AN OPEN BORDER SYSTEM. AS A TAX PAYER IM VERY CONCERNED ALO WHY ARE WE SUPPORTING HIS 1000 WIVES. ZULUS SHOULD SUPPORT HIM BEC MOST PEOPLE ARE DONE WITH POLYGAMMY.

Please do not use all caps in the future. Thanks - ed

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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 355 days ago
Wow. Lots of SHOUTING.
Caps lock is the third button up on the left side of the keyboard :)

Chichi7

Posted 355 days ago
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ANC is only interested in absolute power rather than service delivery. They have failed to deliver books in Limpopo and have so many excuses as to the reason why this has not been done. They now want to merge already delivery working provinces to their non delivery ones, for what?
I seriously am no impressed with the handful of politicians that chose JZ. We an going faster than an avalache downhil to a useless country.

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 355 days ago
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Isn't it amusing how apartheid era policies are being brought in all the time? Why was the number of provinces increased to start with?

We can have only one province or two hundred provinces, until such time as the chain of command and accountability are adhered to, it will be irrelevant.
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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 355 days ago
Well, if they get it right to reduce the provinces, I hope it backfires on them. The people in the WC voted, fair and square, and now they are saying our votes does not count. Seems that "Everybody loves Coloured people", lol. We must be a great resource!

M.Siko

Posted 355 days ago
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Personally i dont believe lessening the number of provinces will make officials more effecient and effective in governance. I think the issue is the improvement of administration.
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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 355 days ago
Correct. Making them bigger (some of them) will make the governance issue more challenging, thereby introducing more inefficiency and making the current bad situation worse....

eyetieinSA

Posted 355 days ago
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Some things will just never change, non are so blind as those that will not see, If you need a solution for SA look inwards of the ANC, - deeply, reflect honestly, make amends, change the non-service delivery by HoD's, then retrain and reaffirm the required current policy's and levels of service expected by all HoD's and then manage and evaluate those results weekly so as to ensure they follow set policy and procedures as set out by Government. These basic simple management criteria's work in the rest of the non-Communist world - eg, the majority of the world, except in South Africa where when service delivery expectations are not met we change policy and benchmarks instead of the responsible people who dont perform their duties according to required standards, and then expect success. The easiest thing is to change policies but then all that changes is policies not the people entrusted to carry out service delivery which is what the ANC promised the poorest of the poor. While the ANC have the power, they have the power to change that which is not working, and yet the ANC also has the power to change that which is working,,,,,, you are the masters of our destiny for now, use it wisely or there will be nothing left to govern. Governments first duty is to protect and care for their people not run their lives for them and destroy their future.....in doing so observe a simple fact, "its not the people who make a success of what they do that destroys a country, the opposite is true, for they when the tide turns, they leave our shores to fine alternative sands in other countries to enrich with their abilities and know how, leaving behind an eventual wasteland. Please then consider the poorest of the poor before you destroy the reasons they elected the ANC....

Thuka-Thuka

Posted 355 days ago
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Aside from the politics, where's the cost-benefit analysis? Phasing out provinces will cost a fortune. Surely there are hundreds of other priority issues to resolve. Like getting textbooks to schools. Perhaps that's a bit more important than phasing our provinces. Incredible. And we're supposed to call these people "leaders"....

sistachick

Posted 355 days ago
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Welcome to Animal Farm - the more they change the more they stay the same. ANC grasping at straws it seems - want to stay in power forever no matter what it takes. It's the only way they can actually become millionaires without actually having to work - some call it stealing, they call it leveling the playing fields.

GregQuinn

Posted 355 days ago
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"It was, he said, about addressing huge anomalies, such as poverty, unemployment and inequality."

Once again the ANC comes up with an idea that will supposedly 'address' these issues, yet they can never explain 'how' or 'why' it will help resolve these issues.

Tell us ANC, please do tell us, how will this improve quality of life for people? You can't even run small provinces efficiently, now you want to tackle making larger ones?

This party makes no sense.
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IHateThem

Posted 355 days ago
It will definitely improve the quality of life of all the young men in Western Cape who are addicted to TIK and are killing each other everyday. The DA doesnt know how to solve the problem or maybe they like the status quo as these young men do not vote. Reminds me of how Australia treats Aborigines.
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Theye

Posted 355 days ago
How will the ANC adress the drug problem in the Cape?. They cannot even deliver books to 5yr olds.The only excellent work the ANC has ever done is delivering stolen money, stolen from the poor and helpless. to cadre pockets. I hate them as well.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 355 days ago
IHateThem

LOL
You obviously didn't read the interview with Natie in the Sunday Times.
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IHateThem

Posted 355 days ago
RSA.MommaCyndi

Problem is you believe The Sunday Times. I dont. I stopped my subscription a year ago and I use money I used to spend to feed a family with no means. I am here because it is free. I will not spend my money on garbage like this.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 355 days ago
Well the problem is that it was a verbatim interview so I really can't see how you could deny its veracity.

Sorry to hear of your financial woes
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IHateThem

Posted 355 days ago
Theye
A billionaire who stuffed cash into his luggage and was caught by British authorities is definitely not ANC. How many more are doing the same?

Theye

Posted 355 days ago
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It seems to be typical of the mindset as a whole. if you cannot beat them fairly, cheat.That is why as a continent and country we fail. Just to lazy and arrogant to go the whole 9 yards. Always looking for a short cut and ending up as a broken could of been

Mike123

Posted 355 days ago
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I wonder if Anarchy 'n Chaos (ANC) has ever thought about the cost and confusion caused by all these changes. As it is, it is possible for a single location to have about 12 (or more) valid physical addresses.

LiezellB

Posted 355 days ago
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Typical of the goverment wanting to waste millions of rands again - nice!? Keep on focusing on irrelevant factors - don't spend any time fixing the problems of the country. You go ANC! Show us how rediculous you are!

IHateThem

Posted 355 days ago
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Country and continent is failing. Ha ha ha! Guess who is broke and borrowing from Africa.

JanChrzciciel

Posted 355 days ago
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It will be much easier if the ANC simply banned the opposition.

Oh, this was done before by the Nats?
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 355 days ago
Hahahaha...you probably believe that hey. Last time I checked there were quite a number of parties running in elections in the Apartheid era. Sure the ANC wasn't there but for you to say that the Nats banned opposition parties is being dishonest.
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starfish_

Posted 355 days ago
Erm, the Nats did ban the opposition. If you hadn't noticed, all the other parties that ran for elections then were kind of puppet parties that pandered to the Nats. They were there for the sake of the state being able to boast a muli-party government. Those parties were not 'opposition'. They were the Nats with different names.
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RogueTrooperv2

Posted 355 days ago
@ Starfish...erm, so a party like the PFP was actually the Nats dressed up? Interesting concept just a pity it doesn't hold water.
Interesting how all other parties during that time are now considered Nats...in different clothing. Probably similar thinking to the 'Freedom Fighter/Terrorist' argument...in yesteryear the ANC were terrorists and today they are freedom fighters. Zanu-PF were also terrorists and then freedom fighter...I wonder what their label today would be?

Mpiyakhe1652

Posted 355 days ago
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They are obviously being blinded by their hunger for power,should they lose that province say in 2019, they'd be doomed, they should just scrap provinces altogether, if that's what they want to do!

staren

Posted 355 days ago
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If at first you dont succeed (in obtaining the WC).... cheat... much easier than getting off your apathetic high horses and actually doing something for the people and winning the electorate through good governance ey...
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IHateThem

Posted 355 days ago
Who said the ANC is obsessed with the WC. Its a German and drugs base. Lets see how the DA handles it. They are already crying for help. Let them sort it out.


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staren

Posted 355 days ago
“A mandate has been issued and we are ready. We will take back the Western Cape,” said Mjongile.
...

“That this is the case is not due to the DA’s strength or popularity. It is due to our own historical weaknesses and failures as an organisation since 2005 until 2011.

The sooner we come to grips with this reality, the sooner we can fix it and return the ANC to power in this province. Our strategy seeks to guide us in exactly that challenge.”


iol.co.za/news/politics/anc-vows-to-take-back-the-cape-1.1315842#.T-2X42xJ75A