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Thu May 23 12:52:45 SAST 2013

Don't spare the rod, say pupils

KATHARINE CHILD | 04 July, 2012 00:12

Image by: BAFANA MAHLANGU, Sowetan

Soweto pupils yesterday called for sterner action against classmates who drink alcohol or use drugs at school.

They say more discipline would help to reduce the gangsterism and substance abuse problems that plague many schools in the township.

They were speaking at the second annual Soweto Learner Summit yesterday, an event hosted by the Gauteng department of education. It was attended by a few hundred pupils.

MEC for education Barbara Creecy said she was particularly concerned about Soweto schools because only 67.6% of their students passed matric last year in contrast to the Gauteng average of 81.1%.

Creecy called on Soweto pupils to "turn around the system in Soweto" by urging their classmates to arrive at class on time and conduct themselves responsibly .

"Can you get the message across to your peers to come on time to school?" she asked.

Pupils argued that discipline was needed.

They said students sold drugs on school premises, and two pupils said they knew of teachers who bought cigarettes from schoolboys.

Protea Glen Secondary School pupil Victor Mathunwa said he believed that "more discipline at schools would improve learning".

"Students gamble during teaching time. They even bet on soccer games at break," he said.

Siyabonga Secondary School pupil Lwanda Gawulekhaka called for corporal punishment to be reinstated to stop drunkenness and late-coming at schools.

Jabulani Technical High School pupil Hlalanathi Dlamini said teachers were unable to control older pupils, those 20 or older.

Dlamini also called on the department to implement better monitoring systems to ensure that teachers did not miss classes or arrive late.

Creecy said a plan of action would be formed to deal with students' concerns.

She said district education officials would make weekly surprise visits to Soweto schools to make sure teachers were in class.

She said the department was working with school governing bodies to help them take responsibility for discipline at their schools.

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BornintheRSA

Posted 323 days ago
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In the ' 60 's and '70 's, getting caned at school was all part of the day - for misbehaving, not having done homework, for too long hair, smoking, whateve - even a bad-moody teacher. Sometimes it was embarrassing, sometimes it made you the ‘hero’, mostly it was something you wanted to avoid. Looking back, none of us is any worse off for it. Probably more attuned to discipline and respect for elders and oneself. Bring it back.
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Loggenberg

Posted 323 days ago
"Don't spare the rod, say pupils"
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Kinders so na aan my hart. Klink soos my laities

Daffy

Posted 323 days ago
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I would agree with you @BornitheRSA, but the curent crop of teachers are merely jobseekers who have no passion and love for their job! as you know when you are not happy wit what you do you take it out on your job utensils PC, Chairs etc the current learners face injuries that cannot be called corporal punishment. and the manner the Education department and SADTU treat culprits shows how learners have turned to be the way they are. we were caned by our parents and made aware that it was becasue of our misdemeanures and not becasue they hated us1 but todays teachers brutally beat up learners and never feel remorse at all!
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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 323 days ago
@Daffy

I agree with you, so the solution would be is to send them to the principal's office for a good caning. When I was at primary school, the teachers did not cane but sent us to the office if we misbehave or did not turn in homework. I also advise that the school advise the parents hereof and ask them to be present during punishment, if they should agree. It should be left to the parents to decide whether they want their children punished in this way or not, and not the state.

zindela

Posted 323 days ago
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A few strokes with a light malacca cane worked wonders before corporal punishment was abolished in schools. However, its effectiveness was only as a result of the high levels of discipline that existed within society at that time. Caning troublemakers today would, I feel, only marginalise them further. This is because they have no standard to measure their ill behaviour by; they cannot see the actual error of their ways and so corporal punishment is, therefore, no longer a viable option.
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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 323 days ago
I believe the cane makes you see the error of your ways. The standard should be, knowing the difference between right and wrong, and this must be taught and instilled in children not only by parents but all adults role models.

Punishment is a universal occurrence and should be no different in schools. I would say that a major reason for today's ill discipline is the fact that corporal punishment was can(n)ed.

muk1

Posted 323 days ago
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Canning worked well in the 1970s when I was in school. Times have changed and pupils are longer afraid of the teachers. Corporal punishement will only work in schools where discipline already exists and only a few misfits needed panel beating. We even had a teacher pulling our sideburns as punishment and girls were pinched on their thighs. Looking back; nobody reported the teacher 'cos he was trusted with no signs of malice towards us.

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 323 days ago
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We had Mrs Armstrong as our headmistress and never was there a more appropriate name. She had a swing on her that would make Nadal envious. She was also the only person in the school who was authorised to give out corporal punishment.

The problem is that today, the line between a good hiding and vicious battery has been crossed too many times by the schools. I'm not sure that I'd be comfortable with this unless we had responsible principals.

Then comes the problem of the parents !!!!!!!!!!
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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 323 days ago
"She had a swing on her that would make Nadal envious. "

:) - I also remember how creative some of us were when we knew a caning was on the way. One boy put a small cushion in his pants, and the sound was so hilarious when the first blow landed, I still laugh when I think about it. The principal then told him to take of his pants and the cushion fell out, hahahaha! Some of us screamed, some cried and the brave ones did not even flinch. Today, I will not hit my children, as a good talking to, using examples and consequences normally do the trick. Children will be children and we must not deny them their childhood.

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 323 days ago
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No child does what his parents disapprove of, explicitly or tacitly. Most parents would rather keep quiet when a child says or does something wrong, out of fear of not being 'cool'. He rather leaves the 'uncool' stuff to educational institutions. Our deeds and utterances spur our children, purposely or inadvertently. When we glorify physical 'heroes' and 'victories' that destroyed other human beings, we are telling children that brawn is more superior than brawn. Remember, all the stuff kids do, is what they learn from their parents. They can never imagine anything different from what was brought to their senses. Of course the world they live in, is different from their parent's world, and the tools they use are advanced. But its only the form that is different, but not the content, or the thought behind the act.

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ILoveTheTruth

Posted 323 days ago
Agree with you. In most cases of ill discipline in children, the parents are directly to blame. Some parents, especially single mother's give their children too much rope and not enough guidance. I have seen a case where a father(because his father did it to him) treats his son so bad, the child has little or no self-esteem, and has turned to drugs.

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 323 days ago
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"brain and brawn".