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Sat May 25 14:27:11 SAST 2013

'Angie doesn't listen'

KATHARINE CHILD, MSINDISI FENGU and PERTUNIA RATSATSI | 10 July, 2012 00:21
Basic Education Minister, Angie Motshekga. File photo.
Image by: The Times

South Africa's education system is spiralling out of control and failing millions of pupils.

From failure to deliver textbooks to unpaid bills and corrupt education officials, not much has been achieved since 1994.

Former health minister Barbara Hogan yesterday added her voice to the growing list of critics lambasting the failures of the country's education system.

Speaking at non-governmental organisation Equal Education's national conference yesterday, Hogan yesterday urged young people to mobilise and "start holding government accountable", adding the 1976 Soweto uprising showed pupils' strength.

"It cannot be said that just because things were bad in apartheid doesn't mean we cannot say things are bad now. Democracy always has to be strengthened and fought for," she said.

"Rather than just holding marches, marches and marches, students need to find much more innovative ways of organising. If money is not flowing properly [in an education department], they need to go to the financial office and demonstrate."

Hogan's comments come two weeks after Justice Minister Jeff Radebe called the non-delivery of textbooks to Limpopo schools a "national shame" - and on the day that saw several dramatic events unfolding in education.

A Limpopo clerk was arrested for dumping hundreds of textbooks as the national department prepared to defend itself against a lawsuit brought by nine members of the African Publishers Association to stop it from delivering books not selected by schools.

The association claims in court papers that catalogues had been sent to schools by publishers for teachers to select those they wanted. But when the national department took over, it wanted to supply the schools with its own choice of books.

The matter was removed from unopposed motions to allow the department time to file opposing papers.

In Eastern Cape, the provincial education department - which is under administration - took over the ordering of textbooks after Section 21 schools defaulted on payments to service providers, leaving it with a bill of more than R120-million.

SA Booksellers Association president Simphiwe Molosi said though he welcomed the department's plans, he was concerned about its procurement processes.

"We would not like a situation in which fully fledged booksellers are going to be put out of business. This is our main concern. We know about sinister forces that normally operate in Bhisho. Our fear is that we don't want to see catering people delivering books," Molosi said.

The DA yesterday said an inspection at a warehouse in the Port Elizabeth district had revealed that thousands of textbooks were being returned by schools.

According to DA Eastern Cape education spokesman Edmund van Vuuren, Xhosa pupils had been sent Sotho workbooks, while Afrikaans- and English-speaking pupils had received Xhosa workbooks.

"A lack of consultation from the national department's side and a chaotic workbook delivery process by the provincial department has led to hundreds of schools in the PE district alone being left without any literacy and numeracy workbooks for children in Grades R to 7," Van Vuuren said.

"Once again, the education department has put the future of thousands of children at risk through this blatant disregard for their education needs.

"The books that have been ordered are only applicable for this year, meaning that public money will also go to waste."

Pupils attending Equal Education's first national congress in Johannesburg this week had harsh words for the Minister of Basic Education, Angie Motshekga, saying she did not care about them or education .

John Orr Technical High School's Grade 8 pupil, Bahle Lolwana, said: "The minister is not listening to us. She doesn't care about other people's needs."

His brother, Bathandwa, called for Motshekga to step down.

"She should resign. I think the minister thinks we are a bee buzzing in her ear. What we want are minimum norms and standards. She promised us that."

Said Grade 12 pupil Nontsikelelo Dlulani of Westridge High School in Mitchells Plain: "She doesn't care how we feel and is not taking our rights into consideration."

Yolanda Fani of Luhlaza High School in Khayelitsha, Cape Town, said: "She doesn't know how we feel. Her children were in a good school. She doesn't want us to have a brighter future. Today, I want the minister to be accountable."

At the end of the congress tomorrow, pupils will decide on whether they will call for officials involved in the Limpopo textbook scandal to resign, according to the NGO's general secretary, Doron Isaacs.

He said they would also call on President Jacob Zuma to appoint a judicial commission of inquiry to look into the Limpopo textbook scandal.

There are at present three separate inquiries into the saga.

Isaacs said: "A judge must look at what went wrong with delivery. This may seem like a serious move but nothing is more serious than millions of learners without textbooks. The government needs to answer what went wrong and why this happens. If it doesn't move to answer questions, we will lose confidence in it." - Additional reporting by Sapa

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BornintheRSA

Posted 319 days ago
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Angie Motshekga is the accountable head-honcho and her team has failed. She must go. Many professional academics have the necessary management and business acumen to do a better job. Appoint a pro to look after this important service.

Daffy

Posted 319 days ago
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and the African child suffers ...need I say more? the disatvantage of being a majority is being taken as canon fodder when things go bad you the first to feel it.
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Timbuck9

Posted 319 days ago
Problem with the CURRENT Education Dept is ANGIE AND THE ANC!!!!

Then again.... the ANC are breeding their voters "ILLITERATE" for the 2014 elections and BEYOND...
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Loggenberg

Posted 319 days ago
Daffy, Are you counting the cost of your X (vote). Is it expensive or still affordable?
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philnike

Posted 319 days ago
You get the government you vote for, mate !! Choices, choices - keep on making the wrong choices and you will always be used as voting fodder only to be discarded afterwards.
It is not about the colour of your skin, but who actually cares about really doing great things for our people to uplift and give value to the people of South Africa- not just to use as a means to line their own pockets and then to discard their voters as they see fit.
Government should be serving the needs of our people and develop this country to be the best it can be which could be some of the best in the world.
Are they ?
Judge for yourself and then put your X next time at your own peril .......again .......

radkomenchev

Posted 319 days ago
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wonder if her family's kids went without textbooks
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BAMBINA

Posted 319 days ago
not a chance I can asure you that everybody in the ANC government kids and grand kids are well sorted, who care's about the rest not them, they are there for only one reason and that is to enrich themselves and to hell with the rest, keep them illitrate to they keep following like sheep
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 319 days ago
Don't be silly. Top dollar private schools aren't at her mercy.

I still maintain that politicians should be forced to live in the poorest areas of their constituencies, make use of public transport, hospitals and schools. Then maybe they would stop with their pathetic ivory tower mentality and wake up to what real life is
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Jimbo56

Posted 319 days ago
While proportional representation no doubt has its advantages in principle, its single biggest drawback (at least as implemented here) is that there is no such thing as a constituency MommaCindi. No politician, other than at municipal ward - local election- level, is accountable to ANYbody since they just get in (or not) based on their position on the party list and how many seats the party won.

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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 319 days ago
No politician, other than at municipal ward - local election- level, is accountable to ANYbody..."

Pardon?
I think you may have missed the whole concept of democracy being 'of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE and for the PEOPLE'. Politicians are paid employees of the PEOPLE they are not gods and godesses or King Mswathi
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Jimbo56

Posted 319 days ago
I suspect you know what I meant MC.... but sorry for my choice of words. Not accountable to anybody at the constituency level, because there is no such thing as a constituency, unless of course one takes the nation as a whole to be the constituency which would be an unusual but I guess perfectly valid use of the word.

But since our politicians are not voted for as individuals, but rather placed by the party on the party list and the party is voted for, SA politicians are only accountable to a faceless mass of people not to a known group of people with a localised geography, the more traditional use of the word constituency. They don't see themselves as accountable to a body of voters, since they were insulated from the election process as individuals by being on the party list. If you're at position 175 and the party wins 175 seats, you're in. If they win 174, you're not. You didn't have to go campaign against other candidates in a known area.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 319 days ago
Maybe that is the problem. We don't have a say in who we hire so they somehow think they own us. Maybe it is time that they did have to punt for their positions. That may even make them understand the concept of being held accountable for their actions (or more appropriately, their inactions)
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Jimbo56

Posted 319 days ago
MC I'm absolutely convinced that's the problem.

PR sounds great, and certainly does away the gerrymandering that goes with one electee per constituency no matter how many electors are in that constituency - rural vs urban inequalities come to mind on that score. But PR brings with it its own problems, in our case this total lack of accountability.

radkomenchev

Posted 319 days ago
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these fools spent billions on a 30 day soccer party-yet they are incapable of educating their children--let sepp blatter help out

JoeV

Posted 319 days ago
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The woman is simply not competent. This is one of the most important departments in government and our equally incompetent head of state puts an amateur in charge
Get rid of her immediately and put a professional into the position.
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BornintheRSA

Posted 319 days ago
Plus the social grant and travelgate fraud stigmas attached to her......... A person that can not be a good example to scholars.
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Black-Moses

Posted 319 days ago
This woman [ Angie ] is not the only one who is simply incompetent. Take a thorough look at the whole mafioso [ government ] you won't be surprised. Fish rots from the head downwards. Get rid of them through the ballot box Bra Joe.

Timbuck9

Posted 319 days ago
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This is the caliber of the Zuma APPOINTEE'S!!!

Everywhere she goes... there is CHAOS!!!

Corruption Rules in South Africa!

CecileKiley

Posted 319 days ago
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Ya ... hold THREE separate enquiries, but you STILL don't deliver the books. What a WASTE of taxpayers' money

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 319 days ago
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I wonder if someone could tell me how government is supposed to work?

I was under the impression that our MECs were answerable to our Minister and it was up to our Minister to ensure that the MEC did their job. At the moment, it seems like the Minister has ZERO authority or accountability and her only duties are to make excuses, sleep in parliament and spend obscene amounts of taxpayers' money.

AfroTai-CHI

Posted 319 days ago
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My only fear is under the ANC government the minister will not be indeed fired and left to hang out and dry, SHe will probably be "reDEPLOYED" in another portfolio. The thought makes me cringe.

CecileKiley

Posted 319 days ago
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I agree with many of the above comments. For the past week it's occurred to me that the ANC's hidden agenda MUST be to keep the masses uneducated. Why else would this matter not have been resolved already?
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KafreeMoneykey

Posted 319 days ago
"the ANC's hidden agenda MUST be to keep the masses uneducated"...Oh please!

@CecilKiley, can you please call Waterstone College in Kibler Park and ask them how do the managed to turn back scores of black children and claimed that there is no space but then managed to accept white kids where the space suddendly was available? You may want to try this with many more other so called white schools...Why is there a push against integration?
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KafreeMoneykey

Posted 319 days ago

Dear ED, @Timbuck9 comment is insulting and I take offence. Can you kindly remove it? Its actually perpetuating the apartheid mentality that blacks are less of a human than whites. I do not want to start stooping to end up hurling unnecessary insults on this lovely forum of ours.

Agreed -ED

KafreeMoneykey

Posted 319 days ago
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Angie must go...
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Smaiza

Posted 319 days ago
Do you know OR understand the South African Constitution?
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KafreeMoneykey

Posted 318 days ago
@Smaiza. What is your point? What does a South African constitution have to do with a removal of a person politically appointed? The ANC can recall her anytime, the ANC can recall anyone for that matter...
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 318 days ago
Smaiza

?? they can fire the President but they can't fire the Minister of Basic Education ??

BAMBINA

Posted 319 days ago
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i think that we should go the same route as USA the people should vote in the President (best person for the job) not the ruling party, that way if you don't perform you are out

GermanMouser

Posted 319 days ago
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I know that Zuma won’t fire this Basic Education Minister, it doesn't matter how mestap Education system is, Zuma needs votes to Mangaung. They have already found an escape boat to defend themselves, that defenceless administrator who must take a fall for everything that this Minister failed to do. By the way I’m not surprise.

Poor people must just forget about getting better life for all, there is no better life for all it’s about whom do you know. There will never be a better life for all as long as we still have stupid things like these happening. Basic Education system stinks.
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KafreeMoneykey

Posted 319 days ago
@GermanMouser. It is not only the Basic Education system that stinks, South Africa in general is drowning in a sea of malfeasance and corrupt activity! Blacks in government are in cahoots with whites who won the supply chain and they dress it up so nicely...only the government officials get caught! We need to extend the net wide, there are so many Jacky Selebi's and Aggliotis out there...

Sta_Brown

Posted 319 days ago
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Now they want to go back to the Old Education system, getting rid of their stupid OBE... My question was, why change it if it's not broken. Was the old Education System failing us? Is this new stupid system(OBE) that we want to introduce going to help us, compared to international standard, how is it..... The answers was positive to them, so they decided to feed black people a garbage

Who are they goin to blame now, apartheid was not part of this...
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SuiGeneris

Posted 319 days ago
''''''''Who are they goin to blame now, apartheid was not part of this......'''''''''

No-one is to blame - One can not blame those who are unconscious !!!

Francis

Posted 319 days ago
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@KafreeMoneykey
Do you mind that I answer your question why black school children are send away at Waterstone College?
The answer is simple: SCHOOL FEES".
The yearly fee for a grade 11 is R 42.030 and for grade 12 R 40.440.
If the parent doesn't have a yearly income of respectively R 1.260.900 and R 1.213.200, this parent is legally entitled to apply for EXEMPTION FOR PAYING SCHOOL FEES to such an extend that:
Parents earning below respectively R 420.300 and R 404.440 DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY SCHOOL FEES AT ALL.
For an income falling in the " State Table" (maximum-minimum yearly salary) the Exemption for paying school fees must be legally applied by the school according the South Africa Schools Act 84 of 1996.

Since 1996, the "elite schools" misled, threatened and manipulated court cases by specialised lawyers to squeeze the school fees out of the parents not to keep the level a quality academic tuition but to maintain the superficial label of "the haves".
More middle class ppl became informed about this abusive mentality from these model C and Gazetted schools and approached the Courts successfully.
CALS (Centre Applied Legal Studies) can inform you about the legal way to go without throwing your money away on lawyers fees. (Google CALS)

Going further with my answer.
Due to the decline of education in South Africa, black middle class ppl sent their children to the prior 1994 white schools and many of these schools raised their fees to ridiculous levels what created the opportunity to "select" their learners. This time not by colour but but by the INCOME/STATUS of their parents.





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KafreeMoneykey

Posted 318 days ago
@Francis...Thank you and well said.

In this instance I am talking about the exclusion of individuals from well paid parents. Not all was lost though as the other high calibre "Catholic" schools in Mulbarton and Glen Vista accepted the black kids with no issues at all. They are in their Grade 11 and rank within the top performers in their respective schools. There were all sort of excuses given when they were declined.

@Francis...I need here more of your views on other topics! I really enjoyed your commentary

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Francis

Posted 318 days ago
KafreeMoneykey,
Although I have a sweet taste, this bloody government obliges me often to eat pickles giving my reactions a not too diplomatic feeling.
And to compliment you,
like food, I met here in South Africa (beautiful country!) a wide diversity of people, from supper excellent and honest to.... better not to tell at a first contact.
If you wish, my hatch is wide open and I am not bothered with some draught. We can also go on a more personal manner via my email: fcve4u@gmail.co
I believe that nothing cannot be solved.

Smaiza

Posted 319 days ago
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Too much opinions leads the nations to nowhere.

Section 100 of the South African Constitution state that, when a province cannot or does not fulfill an executive obligation in terms of the Constitution or legislation, the national executive may intervene by taking any appropriate steps to ensure fulfillment of that obligation.

The Minister has intervene since the province did not have funding or budget and they use the national budget to buy textbooks... I dont understand why you people want the Minister to be axed.

Most South Africans dont understand the South African Constitution and how it works...

I wish the Government can scrap the Tender system and start its own bookshop or use government printing to produce books for schools since it makes them to fail cause they to do business with ghost or certain parties agencies.

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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 319 days ago
Does section 100 mention anything about the Minister or NEC needing to make sure the ish doesn't hit the fan to begin with?
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Smaiza

Posted 319 days ago
@ RSA.MommaCyndi

Please read the constitution first before you criticizes other people's comments.

People like you and the fellow commentators claim to be educated but never bored to read the constitution and understand it very well.

You also failed to analyzed a simple scenarios... I always read your comments you always attack without asking what went wrong...
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 319 days ago
Where did I attack or criticise? I asked a question.
Are the Minister and the NEC supposed to put in measures to ensure the ish doesn't hit the fan or do they just wait until it flies all over before they are allowed to do anything?
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Smaiza

Posted 319 days ago
@RSA.MommaCyndi

The constitution section 92 does say that the Deputy President and Ministers are responsible for the powers and functions of the executive assigned to them by the President, but their power in provincial level are limited hence if the province fails section 100 will apply.

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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 318 days ago
Thank you.

I am completely confused by this all.
Over the weekend Doc Aaron had an interview and it appeared that the ministers have very little power over executive decisions within provinces. Now my understanding was that the various MECs were directly under the relevant ministries and they had to implement systems according to the ministerial directives. i.e. the chain of command had the Minister at the head.

Is it political sensitivities that create the problem where the National Government is reluctant to monitor and enforce at Provincial level or is it a system shortfall?

Rudeguy

Posted 319 days ago
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@Smaiza

You are as ill informed as the rest of the ANC supporters out there.
You cannot and will not believe that they are the most uneducated corrupt and useless bunch of morons, that are purely in government to enrich themselves and their equally useless friends and families.
Wake up and smell the coffee!
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Smaiza

Posted 319 days ago
I put facts not insult..........as your name says..... Im going to Vote for ANC and you can keep voting whatever party other than ANC that is your choice.....

The is no policy in the ANC that say people must still....there are people including (DA, IFP, COPE) doing it at their own will and some of the are being arrested...Its not ANC doing corruption but people...

ANC just guilty for issuing Tenders to people that we think they will assist in good governance and service delivery...
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Polony_Lips

Posted 319 days ago
@smaiza

U mustn't sniff the Zinger sauce on your KFC its messing with your brain.... First of all, ANC supporters will vote for a potato if it was placed on a poster with an ANC logo... You're sheeple... All led by your nose and your comment shows you know no better.

If something doesn't work, you give someone else a chance to fix it..... Not you lot... No !!!! U keep the vote ANC needless to say that they are the most corrupt buffoons under the sun.

The education system...... screwd
The police........ screwd
Medical and health.... screwd
Local municipalities.... screwd
Housing..... screwd

Who runs it all..... Ummmmmmm ANC cadres ! And you vote for them because the offered you a Tshirt, a braai pack and promised you a job ! U have no vision.... You're stuck following those who want to enrich themselves
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Smaiza

Posted 319 days ago
@Polony_Lips

Hows going to fix the things you mentioned above?
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SuiGeneris

Posted 318 days ago
Why is it necessary to fix everything that the anc touches ???

If they were competent, it would have been done right in the first instance !

How much money, time and and energy are wasted because nothing gets done right the first time and have to be done over and over !!!

Time for you to accept the fact that they cant fix things or get anything to work properly because the majority are beyond incompetent !!!

GermanMouser

Posted 318 days ago
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ANC is not the problem,

but the leadership within; Let’s face it, revolution is coming & there is nothing we can do to stop it as long as we still have egotistical Ministers who don’t listen to any one, whose incompetency doesn’t allow them to even take a constructive criticism.
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Tokolosh

Posted 318 days ago
You are correct - revolution is coming!!

The country must be saved from the old revolutionaries (current ANC) and it will be called the second revolution!

Sta_Brown

Posted 318 days ago
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@Rudeguy

You really took after your name and sound just as stupid

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