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Thu Jun 20 11:30:24 SAST 2013

DA says it has proof of ANC plot

QUINTON MTYALA | 02 August, 2012 00:16
Western Cape premier Helen Zille
Image by: ESA ALEXANDER

Helen Zille and Patricia de Lille say they have proof that the ANC Youth League has stoked violent service delivery protests in Cape Town.

Yesterday, Western Cape Premier Zille and Cape Town mayor De Lille lodged a complaint with the police saying an explicit threat was made in a memorandum handed to them last week at a march by the ANC Youth League, the ANC Women's League and local taxi organisations.

Both alleged that the memorandum was in contravention of the Intimidation Act.

But the ANC was quick to rubbish Zille and De Lille's claim.

Senzeni Mphila, an ANC councillor in Cape Town, said the service-delivery protests and the ANC Youth League's march to the provincial legislature last week were unrelated.

He said violence committed by angry residents was being blamed on the ANC.

"They want to twist [things]; they want to say that it's us that incited that particular violence there. It's a lie, it's not true," said Mphila.

In her weekly newsletter last week, De Lille said the violence in the Philippi area, in which traffic lights were destroyed, was motivated by the ANC, which wanted to make the city and province ungovernable ahead of the 2014 general elections.

Yesterday she said that of particular concern was a "threat" contained in the memorandum, which stated that should a "positive response" not be received within a week, chaos would ensue.

"[If you fail] to do so, the young people and the above-mentioned stakeholders will make this city and province ungovernable."

De Lille said video recordings of a protest, obtained by the city council, showed that protesters were "carefully marshalled" by identifiable individuals.

She said the city council had asked the National Prosecuting Authority to review a decision not to prosecute ANC councillor Andile Lili in connection with a violent fracas in Makhaza, Khayelitsha, in which open toilets were destroyed.

Lili said yesterday that people were within their rights to protest about the open toilets.

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M.Siko

Posted 322 days ago
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So I guess the DA can also play the blame game when their in power, its not easy to govern.
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mzansi-wanda

Posted 322 days ago
@ M.Siko, you are not allowed to say such things about the DA in this blog. You are inviting an avoulanch of criticism.

Mrs Zille and the DA can do no wrong in the Republic of Western Cape. There are no service delivery problems in the Rep. The Blacks and Coloureds of the Republic are imagining their plight. And yes, they are instigated by the ANC/YL. Otherwise they are happy.

We who visit the Rep of WC also suffer from dillusions of grandeur when we observe disparities and feel unwelcomed in the Republic's affluent areas. Nothing is wrong in the Rep of the Western Cape.
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Theye

Posted 322 days ago
It is obviously very difficult to govern if you take how the ANC has screwed up every province that they have laid their hand"s on, except the WC which they do not have. What must be even more difficult is to rule a province when you don't have the support of the power that rule the country . So if you take all this into consideration Mrs Zille is doing an incredible job of governing> You see she just does not cower to the gangster ANC youth like you old idiots in the ANC do, which resulted in the destruction of the ANC's standing in the world she takes them on with brains and beats them. You see Zuma is the King of the blame game. Verword's fault there are no textbooks, apartheids fault there is corruption, And when Jesus returns and asks why South Africa is a burnt out hole he will ofcourse blame Jesus for coming so late.
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Theye

Posted 322 days ago
We who visit the Rep of WC also suffer from dillusions of grandeur when we observe disparities and feel unwelcomed in the Republic's affluent areas. Nothing is wrong in the Rep of the Western Cape.

What you don't get is that when you feel unwanted in the affluent areas of the WC is a clear case of inferior complex. In ALL affluent areas in the world there is class distinction. I am white and not rich and I even feel them looking down their noses at me because they see i am a "nobody" (trapping of wealth) So get over your skin pal, your thinking like a loser, black or white.
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disillusionedstill

Posted 321 days ago
The Western Cape is governed by 'haves' who dump the poor out of sight and mind.

Debate is suppressed by the local media which overtly supports the DA.

The ANCYL is left only with 1976 style options.

This is the making of the DA and is like a rerun of an old movie.


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WilhelmSnyman

Posted 321 days ago
Yes, that's why the ANC shouldn't be in pwoer - they can't govern...

Duzula

Posted 322 days ago
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If your province was well govern the wouldn't be any service delivery protests, so stop doing the blame game and do your work and give SEVICES
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buddi

Posted 322 days ago
@Smaiza

Yes, I agree - they sabotaged all the hard work the Limpopo education department worked so hard for - even Angie says so!!

Look how stupid that sounds - wake up and smell the coffee!
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buddi

Posted 322 days ago
Not meant to be posted here! See below.
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BobbyBob

Posted 322 days ago
We should not take this lightly. the ANC has often threatened to make the WC ungovernable. It is the only way they can circumvent the democratic process. It is dangerous and people will get hurt.
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truthwins

Posted 321 days ago
You haven't the slightest inkling about the matter you're commenting on, have you?. You just as naive as Malema to do the ANC's dirty work for them.
Your party's smear campaign and threats will have the opposite effect than what you're anticipating.
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truthwins

Posted 321 days ago
You surely have an empty skull, totally void of even a single brain cell.

mkhusu

Posted 322 days ago
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Western Cape is just as much of a disaster as other provinces. I don't know why it's always being praised. I live in Gugulethu and I am seeing nothing being done about schools, housing or anything.
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danny.archer3

Posted 322 days ago
Everytime I go to Cape Town, I see more RDP houses alongside the N2 than I did the previous visit....so STFU.
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Smaiza

Posted 322 days ago
They want to govern SA with lies...so that they impress their business masters.

Have you ever wondering why DA alway are front to find problems in SA?

Me thinks they (DA) instituted some of the things. e.g Limpopo Textbooks, it was DA that found dumped textbooks...but the question was not asked...How did they found out? Who alert them?

They (DA) uses boermark plan but in the different way and its just people dont see..

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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 322 days ago
@ Smaiza. Really? There's conspiracies and then there's conspiracies. You have perhaps taken it a nudge too far.
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Smaiza

Posted 322 days ago
@Thuka-Thuka
Posted 13 minutes ago
@ Smaiza. Really? There's conspiracies and then there's conspiracies. You have perhaps taken it a nudge too far.

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You DA supporters thinks everything DA touches is so perfect......??????
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buddi

Posted 322 days ago
@Smaiza

Yes, I agree - they sabotaged all the hard work the Limpopo education department worked so hard for - even Angie says so!!

Look how stupid that sounds - wake up and smell the coffee!
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Theye

Posted 322 days ago
I live in Gugulethu and I am seeing nothing being done about schools, housing or anything.


You can thank your lucky stars you stay in Gug's and not any other province. In the other provinces the goverment will never get to you, in the Cape you have a very good chance of the DA goverment sorting out your problem very soon.
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BobbyBob

Posted 322 days ago
Come live in gauteng for a while, then you'll wish you were back in the WC
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l984

Posted 322 days ago
"Smaiza
Posted 2 hours ago
They want to govern SA with lies..."

Damn! For a moment there I was dead sure you were referring to the ANC and their own biggest lie of all!
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truthwins

Posted 321 days ago
The WC has a problem to cope with the influx of aliens from the EC who are fleeing to the WC in search of work and better education and health services, which are literally non-existent in the Eastern cape.
In their quest for a better life they're are overloading the education, health and other resources and services.

danny.archer3

Posted 322 days ago
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To the four idiots above, what part of "De Lille said video recordings of a protest, obtained by the city council, showed that protesters were "carefully marshalled" by identifiable individuals" did your "Liberation before Education" mentalities not understand?
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yatva_hinda

Posted 321 days ago
and somehow everyone skips this comment.
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BobbyBob

Posted 321 days ago
I dont think everyone skipped the comment. Its just that we already know it to be true, long before this report. The ANC have stated a few times that they would create chaos in the WC so that the province becomes ungovernable.

Thuka-Thuka

Posted 322 days ago
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Oh for goodness sake. We had that COSATU numpty sprouting on about bringing the WC to its knees and now they're off on one about a threat. Looks like these children also didn't get their books delivered!
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Smaiza

Posted 322 days ago
You DA supporters thinks everything DA touches is so perfect......??????
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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 322 days ago
I'm a DA supporter? Interesting. I didn't know that. Now tell me, what's my favourite colour? I have no idea and since you know more about me than I do...
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Scribbles

Posted 322 days ago
Smaiza,

The DA, or any other party, doesn't have to be perfect, they just mustn't behave like the ANC...

SuiGeneris

Posted 322 days ago
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''''''''Lili said yesterday that people were within their rights to protest about the open toilets.''''''''

And in your little mind that would also mean that they have the right to destroy !!!!!

''''''"[If you fail] to do so, the young people and the above-mentioned stakeholders will make this city and province ungovernable."'''''''

And this would be your idea of a peaceful service delivery march !!!!!

TROGLODYTES !

Desmond-ct

Posted 322 days ago
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The Madames are running scared cos they cannot deliver on their election promises. They want to the blame other people for their shortcomings and it will always be an ANC ploy. Die swart gevaar mentality resides very well within the DA even with coconuts like Patricia & Lindiwe there. They're just a front and maybe the Public Protector must investigate that nepotism or fronting!
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buddi

Posted 322 days ago
It'll take a lot more to frighten the ladies off than a couple of threats from your wonderful anc! That's all they know what to do - can't win an election so we'll make the province ungovernable; can't get away with fraud and corruption, let's kill a couple of people; can't get a high enough position in some municipality, let's kill off the opposition.
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Theye

Posted 322 days ago
hey Desmand - remind me what their election promises and where they did not deliver so I can agree with you. Or is that to much hard work. If it is to much for you to give me these details then you are just a simpleton like the youth league who throw accusations around for simpletons to suck in without having to prove it.
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BobbyBob

Posted 321 days ago
Desmond, your comment is clearly emotional, but what have they not delivered on?

KafreeMoneykey

Posted 322 days ago
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This forum is starting to be boring! No thought process seem to go through our discussions, blaming and blaming and blaming!

Truth is my ANC government that I voted for is very corrupt, individuals within our party are trying to live a middle class and high class income by looting the state and impoverishing the poor even more. To live such a lifestyle you have to work very very hard! The previous regime exploited us as black people and they are continuing to do so in some instances but the current regime is failing dismally to reverse all those ills!

Sies!
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buddi

Posted 322 days ago
At least you have faced up to the truth. Unfortunately, the anc is currently not the party we were all so excited about in 1994!
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Smaiza

Posted 322 days ago
Do you think only ANC member that are corrupt?

How many political parties do we have?

How many municipalities run by ANC or Other parties?

Which ANC policy that say ANC MEMBERS must steal taxpayers money once they hold office?

Not all people work in government are ANC members?



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RichardWoodrow

Posted 322 days ago
Well said KM
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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 322 days ago
Smaiza. Perhaps the unwritten ANC policy (courtesy of one Smuts Ngonyama): "We didn't join the struggle to be poor". Oooooh. Controversial!
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Wiseguy

Posted 321 days ago
Well said Kafree.....truth is power corrupts and bribery and greed take care of the rest!

Now if ONLY the ANCYL could take a firm stand against those guilty of self-enrichment and placing the people and the country second to personal gain......we may be in with a good chance of good clean governance going forward.....but it has to be driven from somewhere within the ANC and the YL is, in my opinion, the group who should really be holding the mother body accountable to the people and for the people!
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Whyetfull

Posted 321 days ago
@Kafree...

Your name and views do not suggest you are black. Who are you trying to fool? "To live such a lifestyle you have to work very very hard..." Do you have examples of people who worked 'very ver very hard' for tehir wealth in south africa?? Of course some have. But please do not come with teh non-sense that rich white people worked 'very very hard' for what they have. We all know that they were pushed by the system, and were given an unfair advantage for many decades...I personally believe that people should work hard to earn adecent living, it is just that I do not buy into the nonsense that the rich in this country worked extra-ordinarily hard for their wealth. South Africa is a country filled with state-sponsored looting. Apartheid did that by reducing black people to 'cheap labour' and creating an environment whereby white people will exploit this so-called cheap labour and denial of basic emplyment rights to black workers.
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KafreeMoneykey

Posted 321 days ago
@Whytefull...I am not going to entertaine your misinformed nuances. Why does my blackness matter in my comment? The ANC government which is a government I support and voted for is corrupt and I am very disappointed. My government, my ANC, has failed in such a way that they have managed to even politice the delivery of books!

Your assertion that I am not black is laughable, and the reason for that is that I do not talk well about the ANC! I AM NOT GOING TO DEFEND WHAT IS NOT DEFENDABLE LIKE THE DELIVERY OF BOOKS!

Sadly the ED does not want us to use any other language except fot the Queens language in this forum! Bengizokutshela kahle...

BokFan

Posted 322 days ago
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When you hear your anc self styled leaders talk you will hear obvious lies. You will hear arrogance, you will hear dishonesty, you will hear threats. You will also hear the anc support systems like the SABC blandly distributing these lies. You will hear the Siki Mgabadelis of this world making platforms for these lies. This means that they are also a party to the criminality of the anc and its evil structures. That means they must also be accountable for their choices.

POST94

Posted 322 days ago
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It's quite soon for the Madam to start sounding like Mangosuthu Buthelezi: the ANC this, the ANC that.

Just service the communities effectively. Then even your imaginary ANC wont have anything to 'mobilise the communities on'.

Unlike pre-94, it's not easy to govern in a free South Africa where you have to provide services FOR ALL and not the selected few.
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Theye

Posted 322 days ago
Yes , Dead right and when the ANC saw how difficult it is to govern and provide for all they immediatly quit trying and started providing for themselves

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 322 days ago
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Arguing with a fool makes one look even more foolish, because a fool has no way of knowing that he is a fool. He can never be embarrassed by himself - a fool. Instead he will embarrass anyone who is not foolish, by making him look like him. Never able to figure things out himself, he has to depend entirely on what his masters say, because they do the thinking for him. Any argument is a regurgitation of what his unthinking mind has been fed, and can never understand any different argument, even if it is true. His master's voice is the gospel truth. Anything else is treasonous, and warrants death. Hence the tendency to react with violence.
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BobbyBob

Posted 321 days ago
What ????

Whyetfull

Posted 322 days ago
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The DA must stop playing holier than thou all the time. It is becoming tiring. They project themselves as saints, yet the party is made up of rotten potatoes of teh former apartheid regime. They must own up to some of teh cahllnges tehy are facing in teh western cape and stop blaming everything on the ANC
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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 322 days ago
I think you'll find the rotten potatoes from the apartheid regime are actually part of the ANC. Led by Kortbroek himself.
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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 322 days ago
I do however agree with you on the 'holier than thou' comment.
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Smaiza

Posted 322 days ago
@Thuka-Thuka
Posted < 1 minute ago
I think you'll find the rotten potatoes from the apartheid regime are actually part of the ANC. Led by Kortbroek himself.

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DA it was known variously as the Progressive Party, then Progressive Reform Party, then Progressive Federal Party. During the 1990's was known as the Democratic Party and was renamed to the Democratic Alliance and join alliance with the New National Party (NNP) in 2000 and recently, they swallow poor Independent Democrats.
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BobbyBob

Posted 321 days ago
Whyetfull
They are delivering, unlike other parties.
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Whyetfull

Posted 321 days ago
I know the vehicle has changed on several occassions. However, the passengers remain the same. Remember the DP's memebership did not even reach 5% in the 1990s. However, immediately after teh demise of the NP, membership of the newly formed DA swelled to around 12%. Where di these people come from?? From the National party. Kortbroek went alone to the ANC. When he jumpedship, the NNP membership was well below one percent.
The DA has a promising future. Their only downfall is that they pretend that they were only introduced to SA politics after 1990, thus they have no baggage whatsoever. This is not true, and it really irritates if they want to sell themselves as virgins.
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Whyetfull

Posted 321 days ago
For me the party does not pass virginity test. Its hymen was broken long time ago...

Investor44

Posted 322 days ago
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Why do people in taxis and drivers themselves just to be throwing litter on the ground when the taxi stops ? There shouldbe fines for this . What do you think ?
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l984

Posted 322 days ago
This is what I think: Do you know when the first phase of the second transition or the second phase of the first transition or whatever will actually begin? When they manage to get the taxi drivers to obey the traffic rules on the road and drive roadworthy vehicles (which is - read my lips: Never!)
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POST94

Posted 321 days ago
How about, why do people throw litter out of vehicles? Other road users are guilty of this practise too.

It's just bad manners.
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Whyetfull

Posted 321 days ago
I agree, people should not litter. However, I must tell you, I have seen people throwing away cigarettes butts through their car windows. They do it all over, and most of them are not taxi-drivers. In fact, 995 of those I have seen are white people (esp) in pretoria east.

raborinj

Posted 321 days ago
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Conclusion

It would help for those who think the DA is just blaming the ANC for no reason to read the memorandum send to the two ladies. I have attached the last paragraph of the memo. It is the intention of the parties involved in the handing of the memo to render the province ungorvernable. Not me or De Lille and Zille who are saying that but the anc alligned formations.

"We demand that the abovementioned demands be positively responded to within 7 working days. Failure to do so the young people and the abovementioned stakeholders will make this city and province ungovernable! Amandla!!!!"

Issued by the ANCYL Dullah Omar Region on behalf of the People of the Western Cape.

July 27 2012

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Wiseguy

Posted 321 days ago
"Issued by the ANCYL Dullah Omar Region on behalf of the People of the Western Cape."......interesting, not sure a court would agree the ANCYL have a mandate from the People of the Western Cape......I thought the DA won the last DEMOCRATIC provincial election fair and square??

Arrogance>>>>some, LOL!!
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 321 days ago
There is one truth that the ANC members must learn to deal with. And it is mysterious why its elite have fail to understand, or possibly do not want to accept, or publicly acknowledge. The indisputable truth is that winning elections gives a winner a chance to control public policy-making and implementation process. The winner is a winner of the majority of those who "vote" in a particular election. It is not even the winner of those who are eligible to vote, because most do not even bother to vote. Nor is it necessarily tantamount to even those who vote, because almost half of them vote for other parties, even besides the opposition. The tiny 'majority' of the voting minority, is even far less significant when pitted against all citizens. Therefore, the notion that it has a right to rule the country, is not backed by facts, but is a result of a ignorant arrogance. To simply assume that people who oppose its wrong-doings as 'opposition' leaves us dumb-founded, because some would-be voters - like me - only voted once, in 1994. Even then, it was out of curiosity and interest in seeing the end of one-party rule. There was no doubt about a shambolic nature of a party that emerged from decades in the bushes, with the majority of its members who had never done a single thing productive, except asking for hand-outs. I sincerely hope that this puts paid to this tendency to control every life of every citizen.
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Wiseguy

Posted 321 days ago
That said, the ANCYL may well have an arguable mandate in Limpopo, Mpumaplanga, Eastern/Northern Cape, KwaZulu Natal and even the Gauteng and the Free state......they really should make their voices heard THERE(loud and clear) on the following issues on behalf of the people their:
1)Toilets
2)Housing
3)Education
4)Services(water, garbage, sewerage ect)
5)Land......the tribal authorities governing land must be repplaced with individual ownership to empower the people
6)Health care and its maladministration
7)Corruption and self-enrichment of the political elite and their family and friends
8)Illegal tenders
Not necessarily in that order and that is just the start of the list......I can provide a more comprehnsive one if they(ANCYL) wish?

Now go fulfill your mandate ANCYL!!
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BobbyBob

Posted 321 days ago
This is clearly a call to violence and should be criminally prosecuted.
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l984

Posted 321 days ago
You know, on paper and in general the comrades are all for democracy - but only as long as there is no real competition, as long as they rule in all 9 provinces, with at least 2/3 majority nationally (99.99% would even be so much better!), and until Jesus comes - and as long as someone (else) pays for the free lunch they are having and/or promising.

Anything else or less than that - and they tend to lose it completely and can resort to absolutely anything.

ppss

Posted 321 days ago
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Your problem. Smaiza, is that you don't recognise honest government when you see it. must be an african thing.

bos

Posted 321 days ago
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Politic is a dirty game,
innocent people that want to live life are being fooled by those who are in power. 8 years ago I was in Cape Town and last month I was in Cape Town. I had visited more than eight countries. just to conclude: Cape Town is well developed area I must say. But the black people and coloured people living condition is In Cape town has deteriorated, 8 years ago people lives were better 8 Years ago.
People need to look at themselves if they believe to them selves. ANC, DA, IFP, SACP and others work for one system, To take your mind on real issues that we are facing with. Issues like LAND, Employment, education, security, food, discrimination according to race, and more.

Yotywa

Posted 321 days ago
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Wasnt she having an ideal governance?

mbongwamugabe

Posted 321 days ago
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I always though Zille and her male cabinet has boles but i was wrong same like anc.
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BobbyBob

Posted 321 days ago
You rather want to see fighting in the streets?

mbongwamugabe

Posted 321 days ago
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BobbyBob
Posted 25 minutes ago

I didn't say that but if that's what you want in my soil it's fine.