Zuma to hit taxpayers with R517m upkeep bill
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President Jacob Zuma is, not surprisingly, the highest- paid official in the government, costing taxpayers R200 a minute, according to a report released yesterday .
And, adds, the report, the cost of protecting and transporting Zuma, in addition to paying his salary, perks and various household expenses, will add up to R517 -million once his five-year term as South Africa's president is complete.
The cost of Zuma to the country was revealed in a report by senior DA analyst Gareth van Onselen.
Van Onselen used the Ministerial Handbook and other sources to arrive at his estimates.
Though Zuma's salary is known, many of his other costs have not been confirmed.
Van Onselen said he erred on the side of caution before arriving at the figure of over R103-million a year for Zuma's upkeep.
"Most likely, the final and ultimately unknowable total will be far, far higher," he said, adding that his estimates do not include the cost of poor decisions or action perpetually delayed.
Zuma is, in a sense, not as expensive as US president Barack Obama, who is estimated to cost his taxpayers about $1.5-billion (about R12.5-billion) a year.
However, that figure for Obama includes White House operation costs and a massive staff necessary for official business.
"Essentially I have focused on the president's running costs," said Van Onselen, noting that he did not include the official costs of The Presidency.
Russia's president ( Dmitri Medvedev at the time of the research) cost $258-million and France's president (then Nicolas Sarkozy) $161-million, according to the Korrespondent, a Ukrainian magazine, last year.
Though these price tags are higher than Zuma's, they include far more than just living costs.
And, given the global financial crisis, there are indications that many of Zuma's counterparts have started cutting back.
The president of France, Francois Hollande, has lowered his salary by 30%.
According to the website www.therichest.org, Zuma was the 11th best-paid head of state last year. His French counterpart was number five.
"Zuma's flights and the Spousal Support Unit are both excessive and difficult to justify," said Van Onselen. "David Cameron flies British Airways.
"President Zuma can also use a national carrier, if not for all flights, then for the majority. It is reasonable for the public to support a first lady [but] unreasonable to support more than one."
Zuma's expense account is almost 40 times his annual salary.
A separate report revealed yesterday that public sector employees are only about a fifth as productive as those in the private sector.
But, according to Prophet Analytics' quarterly Labour Market Navigator, even the private sector performs badly by international standards, with only 65 JSE-listed companies achieving labour productivity that exceeds employee costs.
ZUMA'S ANNUAL BALANCE SHEET
- Annual Salary: R2275802 to R2753 689
- Medical aid: At least R1.3-million
- Pension payout on retirement: About R2 753 689
- Spousal support: At least R15 517 500 a year
- Private vehicle: calculated at 70% of salary - R1 835 792, for two vehicles
- Flights - VIP Squadron: An approximate average of: R46838476
- Flights - additional: R6 331 175 plus additional cost of two planes
- Flights - VIP Protection Services: Unknown
- Flights - helicopters: At least R14.4-million
- Overseas allowances - president: An average of R25 400 a year
- Overseas allowances - first ladies: Unknown
- Accommodation - hotels: An average of R420000 a year
- Accommodation - official Residences: An average of R5.3-million a year
- Accommodation - private residences: R6.4-million
- VIP protection - An average of at least R12-million a year
- Legal costs: Unknown
- Average annual total: R103 544 233
- Approximate five-year total: R517 721 164
R200 A MINUTE ADDS UP
| Five years | R517721164 |
| One year | R103554233 |
| One month | R8 626 686 |
| One week | R1 991 235 |
| One day | R284 462 |
| One hour | R11 852 |
| One minute | R198 |


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Posted 302 days agoSindiM
Whyetfull
Makoya1zn
I agree with u 101% frankly i don't know what the running of mouth is all about. Being the head of state comes with its benefits just like every job in the world.
Scribbles
I wish I could choose not to but unfortunately we'll probably just be increasing the "living" wage for presidential wives come the next few years.
Whyetfull,
You should take the time to actually read a comment before climbing onto your soap box and wasting my time by forcing an unnecessary explanation. I don't see where I said polygamy isn't protected by the constitution or any of that other bull you're muttering about. The only fact that I commented on is how ridiculous it is that the average taxpayer has to foot the bill for millions worth of several "first" ladies. So yes, arguing against polygamy is a "non-starter" since that's not even the topic at hand.
Scribbles
It is my opinion that the president has plenty of benefits as is without the public paying for every other wife he decides to take on. If having an opinion on such an issue is "running of mouth" then pot has some news for you kettle.
Scribbles
It's not hostility so much as frustration at having to explain the obvious. For example, I never once said that the president can't have more than one wife, just that I believed he should pay for all the others minus the first. This point is crystal clear in my posts and yet for some reason I have to say it... again.
As a side-note, there are plenty of whites which practice polygamy, there are even cultures and religions dominated by whites which support it.
Makoya1zn
As long as the constitution allows for it why not?
Scribbles
Because it's a complete waste of money. We're losing crucial funding in areas such as education, medicine, etc, to pay for these wives. If he married them then surely he has the means to pay for them besides dipping into the public's purse. If not then he's just an idiot or a presidential mooch.
Scribbles
As an addition, simply because something is legal doesn't mean that government officials can go crazy wasting money on useless perks, such as TVs in their cars and other such nonsense.
SuiGeneris
Definition of ''honourable''
Worthy of being honored; Entitled to honor and respect; Honorable service to his country; Adhering to ethical and moral principles.
Do you recognize your ''honourable president'' anywhere in this definition ???
Makoya1zn
It's funny cause there is a budget that ia allocated to Education & other departments on an annual basis. So the Zuma's wives are the reason the Education department is under funded according to you? Mbeki had one wife & we still had problems with Education funding, I guess u gonna blame him(Mbeki) for having a wife.
He is dipping in a public's purse because constitutionally he can.
Makoya1zn
Do you recognize your ''honourable president'' anywhere in this definition ???
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I see it everywhere in your definition. Answered?
SuiGeneris
Answered.....In other words, you as a person are looking up to your president, which means that your moral and ethical standards are even lower than his !
staren
Makoya1zn
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.
Scribbles
Oh, so you believe that budgets are created without accounting for reserves, operatings costs, etc, and that any increases make no discernable dent to the public purse? Let me guess, you also believe that pixies simply pick from magical money trees and gaily toss all funds into the needed departments while riding past on their rainbow coloured unicorns.
I'll be blunt, we don't have an endless vault of money and the budget isn't something that is written in stone. The fact that the president has easily gone over budget is testament to this. And yet when crucial departments require such measures it takes several months of debate before any funds are moved.
This conversation is over, you're wasting my time with your delusions. And by the by, Mbeki's one wife cost us a lot less, even compared to only one of Zuma's wives.
Makoya1zn
Its the same tendencies that imperialists/capitalists like yourself that we will never agree to disagree coz as soon as person does not agree with u you tend to go pink in the face & not listen to what they are saying.
Anyways whether u agree or disagree with me i do not give a damn.
Whyetfull
There must be something wrong with your reasoning. You make so many wild claims and you seem not to have the wit to see how your claims relate to one another. You say you 'feel' that the country should only be obligated to pay for ONE first lady. Oh well, that is just your feeling. We do not run a country by feelings, but legal prescripts. Fault JZ on what he violates constitutionally and not by your 'feelings'. Imagine what kind of a country we would have if we were to run it by feelings. What you fail to understand is that your feelings are premised on what you take for granted and consider 'normal'. Why should your norm be treated as a standard?? and imposed on everybody?? That is the problem with you people. You have internalised your own values so much such that your are oblivious of other people's value systems. Until such a time the constitution says polygamous men are not allowed to stand for presidential election, your argument remains invalid.
Whyetfull
Get over you mule. The office of the president just like any other government office is taken care of through the public purse. It is part of the whole budgetory allocations. It is not your call to say take money from presidential allocation and give it to education. I can bet you have not changed your life tastes on the ground sthat there are people/ programmes 'out there' which may be under-budgetted. Why should the president of any government official change their values simply because your narrow mind find them repulsive?? Remember, JZ does not presdie over SA on the grounds of your mandate, but rather, the mandate of the majority of people who endorsed the ANC. Even if you voted ANC, democracy still requires you to respect majority decisions, and the fact that there are people who do no see life the way you do.
Bono
Makoya1zn
Typical when someone does not agree with u all u do is turn pink in the face & throw insults.
The whole lot of u are the same.
Such a shame
Scribbles
I made no "wild" claims. I had an opinion and you just told me that I can't have one, since the president can do what he likes as long as it's within the law. I wasn't arguing that my opinion trumps the law but you effectively twisted it to sound as such in an effort, I guess, to protect your president's right to splurge. I feel that as citizens it is our right to comment and suggest to our fellow citizens in an open forum our thoughts while you feel the president should do as he pleases (as long as it's within the law) and that only those which agree with him should speak. Honestly, there's no arguing with such a stance. And proclaiming that since I won't change my budget, the president doesn't have to, is ridiculous since I didn't VOLUNTEER to be a public SERVANT.
Whytefull said, "Until such a time the constitution says polygamous men are not allowed to stand for presidential election, your argument remains invalid."
I disagree since I never said that polygamist politicians cannot run, I simply suggested an alternate funding solution. This is the fourth time I think I've repeated this line so clearly this is a practice in futility. That said, like Makoya1zn I'll leave you to your rambling.
PS, Denouncing insults while insulting me in the same sentence is extremely hypocritical.
Whyetfull
That is my biggest problem. I do not see why we should look for alternative funding solutions in the presidential office simply because the incumbent is the man whose preferred lifestyle we do not approve. That is expedience, and not principle. The level of cultural intolerance in SA is scarry. People have assumed that it is either their way or no way.
Surely you have the right to express your views whichever way you like. Nobody has teh right to stop you. However, people have the right to respond if they feel that the comments you are making are unfair and prejudicial.
buddi
ChickenRunner
Wiseguy
My 2 cents worth:
We as a country, regardless of political affliliation all know we have massive tasks ahead of us.......and in order alleviate the massive levels of unemployment, poverty, corruption and mal-administration/mismanagement, health care and education problems....we NEED a president who sets an excellent example in being frugal with tax-payers money, who doesn't waste money from the public purse on ANYTHING and takes a firm MORAL and ETHICAL stand on ANYTHING that might be deemed wasteful expenditure ! The fact that the constitution allows for what might be deemed by some as wasteful or otherwise, doesn't make it correct given the work that lies in front of ALL of us.
So is our current President setting a good example in the face of the reality on the ground?? Not what the consitution allows!!! That is the question that the people of RSA need to answer?
BottomPower
Anyway, I remain committed to my views and will air them without fear or favour.
@wiseman,
I hear and agree with your point that we need an examplery leadership/ president to be precise. Ceratinly. However, the charges levelled against JZ re: his polygamous lifestyle are unwarranted. Just to make something clear here, tehre is nothing immoral or amoral with polygammy. Morality is much more complex than people think. No religion or culture has monopolly on what constitutes morality. Polygammy is as ethical as monogammy.
Mike123
Posted 302 days agoWhyetfull
Makoya1zn
Are u speaking from experience?
BAMBINA
Francis
Posted 302 days agoThe maintenance of the criminal will become the bankruptcy of South Africa.
No country can carry the cost what crime causes in South Africa and all this under the guidance and leadership of communists anc with zuma 783 as the master brain.
Brain=sawdust mixed with an invisible KZN muti.
nkosipeter
Posted 302 days agoMakoya1zn
BAMBINA
Then why is country in such a bad state of afairs, he is just living up the good life and we are paying for all his fat wives and a 101 kids (sick)
buddi
Maybe you can name a few, and we can make up our minds if you are right or wrong.
MicaParis
Posted 302 days agoIt sounds like a whisper…
While they’re standing in the welfare lines
Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
Wasting time in the unemployment lines…
Sitting around waiting for a promotion…
Don’t you know they’re talkin’ ’bout a revolution,
It sounds like a whisper…
Poor people gonna rise up
Get their share
Poor people gonna rise up,
Take what’s theirs…''
Tracy Chapman’s iconic 80s song Talkin’ ’bout a Revolution has resonance not only in South Africa but around the world as people increasingly demand freedom – whether during the so-called Arab Spring, the Greeks rising up against austerity measures or in the French choice of social democrat François Hollande.
Since 2009, ''Government'' has arguably fallen into further dysfunction. It is time sufficient political will is summoned to deal firmly with corruption and ''looting'' in the Presidency and Office of the Premiers' in our country.
If we fail to do so, poor people will indeed rise up and “take what’s theirs”, ironically it might be impossible to access the keys to Union Building for the ANC for another 100 years again in contradiction of the 100 years celebration!
i_stub_born
Francis
You are a wise person. Too wise to be connected in any way to these corrupt and dangerous anc criminals or to a capitalist exploitation mentality.
Your vision invites to believe in a social democracy. I hope you will have many followers to make this world better as time is running out.
QPCLCD308
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I really LIKE that statement Mica, a clear warning to your fat ANC cats! But however is a wish that I love to be a reality as we are tired of being led by inexperienced prisoners and exileists who does not have a clue what leadership and administration are!!.
As a DA high profile member (I mean very high profile) I feel very unhappy and shaky in my chair if ANC possesses such kind of grievous and very harmful talent which their intelligence can single handedly lead DA into political wilderness. Mica's ideas are not ANC based but are relevant to the true unity that this country is dreaming and in need of!
If ANC can be led by people like Mica, than Zuma is not lying if he is saying ANC will rule until Jesus comes back, Mica is a very dangerous hot property that I would love to steal over to the DA, she is a top notch head honcho that any political party can think of, it is very difficult to find a comrade who can easily lure and win over the interest of the opposite enemy, Mica has got clearly that skill and talent which is a powerhouse in any political platform.
l984
Are you by any chance a troll? You have been posting the same stuff for the past few weeks ad nauseaum. Funniest part is your idol Mica Paris has not even honoured you with a reply yet!
thaboramokgopa
Posted 302 days agoMakoya1zn
What else do u want to know?
Thuka-Thuka
(I think I reported your comment as 'abusive' in error. Apologies)
Makoya1zn
All i can say is Zuma did not put himself in this position but was voted by 11 million + people.
That does no sound like entitlement to me but then again what do i know i'm just as immoral & corrupt as Zuma as u people best describe him.
i_stub_born
And now is when we are certain he would have never been elected as he can not be a leader!!!!!... The man does not seem to have the ability to think beyond his zipper...............
Makoya1zn
And now is when we are certain he would have never been elected as he can not be a leader!!!!!... The man does not seem to have the ability to think beyond his zipper...............
@ i_stur_born
I did not say we elected him, I said voted that is a BIIIGG difference(sounds familar??). He was elected by a delegation which represented the voice of the branches & its members(who are ordinary SA citizen).
To say that he(Zuma) can't think beyond his zipper well that is your opinion & shall treat it as such.
Thuka-Thuka
Makoya1zn
11+million people voted for the ANC. Zuma just happened to be in charge of the train set at the time. You are most certainly correct - that is a BIIIGG difference!
how do i make this clear to you? Zuma was voted into ANC power by the branches which consists of ANC citizens who in turn voted him also in the national election.
So in all essence Zuma was voted by people of SA into the presidential post. Got it?
Thuka-Thuka
Makoya1zn
Are u from Limpopo by any chance? Because that will explain your reasoning.
In a democratic SA the majority rules whether u had a say or not, we(myself included) elected & voted Msholozi, Nxamalala into power, the sooner u accept that the better.
There is this english saying it goes something like this : IF U CAN"T BEAT THEM JOIN THEM. Msholozi 4 2nd term.
Thuka-Thuka
buddi
Funny how the people that put him into power, are now so desperate to get rid of him. 'Kill for Zuma' ring a bell?
i_stub_born
Posted 302 days agoIn the middle of a crisis for money unavailable for the needs of the country, this guy keeps on raising his salary, building his Castle of Zumanstein in Zuma-la-la-land, which we would not be surprised if it includes a private Boeing 777 runway à-la John Travolta..........
And yet poor Mr Gordhan preaching fiscal discipline to the sand in the desert................HA HA HA HA HA HA..........
Thuka-Thuka
Posted 302 days ago(I'm well aware he has loads of children so this argument also applies to Zuma)
Whyetfull
Posted 302 days agoRSA.MommaCyndi
Contrary to what you say, polygamy isn't that widely accepted or promoted within the 'culture'. Unfortunately the 'it is my culture' has been so badly abused that it no longer even makes a dent. Blaming your 'culture' on boinking your friend's daughters or building bunkers doesn't really do the 'culture' much good.
Makoya1zn
Boinking your friends daughters??
ha...ha...ha...Wow u sound like that idiot Julius Malema(no pun intended).
RSA.MommaCyndi
SuiGeneris
Not so long ago zuma and malema were birds of a feather.....so you must agree on the idiot aspect !
Makoya1zn
RSA.MommaCyndi
Glad you ain't my 'uncle'
Makoya1zn
I think u are blinded by your hatred of the president. We have 9 provinces then we have 9 premiers who employ their own people in different departments(education in this instance). Why would we have premiers then if the president can run everything.
Yes the bus stops with him but how the money is managed i mean come on that is not his job otherwise we will only need the president to run the country & fire everybody else
RSA.MommaCyndi
Whyetfull
@RSA, are you aware you cannot provide any proof of the wild claim you make above?
How do you know that 'millions' of south africans are opposed toJZ's marital preferences? The fact that your constituency (small) is not happy does not mean that majority of people are not happy. Why should your numbers count for more?? This kind of logic is sickening and I repeat, it borders of cultural arraogance and insignification of the other. I challenge you to undertake a national survey on the assertion that you make, and you will realise that you are just speaking for a few 'millions'. Remember, SA is made of 52 millions, so 2 or 3 million is still very small relatively speaking.
RSA.MommaCyndi
Whyetfull
Again, you are conflating the issues. The issue is poligammy and its permissibility in terms of the constitution and our collective psyche as a people. We are not 'blaming' culture on JZ preference for more than one wife. There is nothing to blame here. What we are doing is providing an 'explanation', that as an incumbent to the office of the presidency, JZ is entitled to all the benefits that goe with the office. If the office provides that the wife of the president is entitled to certain benefits, whoever the president comes up with and qualifies as a 'wife' in this instance, is entitled to those benefits.
The problem with our political infrastructure is that it has taken for granted the western cultural preferences - and assumed that whoever comes into those offices, will succumb to these preferences. I am no JZ fan, but what I like about him is that through his foregrounding of polygammy, he has challnged the western establishment, and exposed it for what it is. The thing is tehre is nothing 'natural' or superior about monogammy, it is just a choice amongst many, and JZ chose differently. Such are the pleasentaries of democracy.
RSA.MommaCyndi
Whyetfull
RSA.MommaCyndi
RSA.MommaCyndi
Posted 302 days agoStrange how the money never seems to 'run out' before they take the cream off the top.
Makoya1zn
The same thing applies to Gauteng & E cape
Thuka-Thuka
RSA.MommaCyndi
Who is the boss of those people?
LindaZungu2
Posted 302 days agoSouth_One
RSA.MommaCyndi
cANCerSurvivor
Telling us how much you and your family spent on laundry detergent in May would be more relevant...
nnKhula
Posted 302 days agoThuka-Thuka
nnKhula
Thuka-Thuka
mbongwamugabe
Posted 302 days agoSouth_One
During CODESA representatives debated fo equal rights. They won and a great deal of the Constitution is PFP, DP, DA liberal thought.
Makoya1zn
So i guess the NP(which dominates DA posts currently) were also opposed to apartheid regime?
The NP left the Democratic Alliance years ago. The then head of the NP, Marthinus van Schalkwyk, is now our minister of tourism, -ED
Thuka-Thuka
South_One
Top Federal Positions of the DA and what they were doing during the struggle:
Leader - Helen Zille, Black Sash and Liberal Journalist
Federal Chairperson - Wilmot James, UDF and academic
Federal Executive Chairperson - James Selfe, PFP
Leader in Parliament - Lindiwe Mazibuko, wasn't even a teenager.
staren
Posted 302 days agombongwamugabe
Thuka-Thuka
i_stub_born
mbongwamugabe
staren
Well, where and how would you like us to start making a change - perhaps by possibly voicing our objections? Thats usually where social change begins...
The definition of apathy is sitting quietly, doing nothing and accepting things for what they are, not so?
i_stub_born
........born to be rock-driller............
staren
Love the irony, the same folk who continually insist on voting/keeping the ANC in power are the same ones that then cry about the inequalities and injustices in our country... and then turn around and tell us to be pro active or leave... rich, very rich.
mbongwamugabe
I mean pro-active, not blaming others while you do nothing to change the situation. The answer is on you, mbongwa wont tell you what to do as i take no orders from human being.
buddi
When you've run out of arguments, that is always what you turn to - if you don't like it, leave. Very original!
staren
mbongwamugabe
Only if you were God boy,think or wish whatever>
mbongwamugabe
I've been accused of so many things in this website so i accept yours like other.
bugsy
PeterHarris
Posted 302 days agoMakoya1zn: You're an idiot.
How can you possibly think the DA (then PFP) was in support of the apartheid government? Is it because you simply see the DA as a white party and you vote blindly along racial lines? You're an idiot.
If a company is not perofmring, the CEO resigns or is replaced by the shareholders. This is because he/she is ultimately responsible for everything that happens to the shareholders' money, good or bad. He is completely accountable. This is why CEO's are paid so much when they do well, and why they get fired when they do not. Shareholders do not accept failure. Yet you do not realise that the same should apply to government - they are the board of our country. Why are you happy that they flutter our money (tax we pay) away on needless things? You're an idiot.
If JZ wants 100 wives, that's fine, but why must we pay for them? If I want 100 wives I have to pay for them. Why do you not understand this? You're an idiot.
Just because Zuma headed the ANC intelligence underground during apartheid and gave us the freedom of expression that we are using now - this does not mean he will be a competent president and leader-in-chief of a working democracy. In fact it means the opposite because he has this "entitlement" complex which means he thinks he can loot our money. Give him a medal for freeing the people yes, but don't let him steal poor people's money. Why do you continue voting leaders into power simply due to their struggle credentials? You're an idiot.
i_stub_born
l984
For some people getting over and beyond their own religious, political, racial, sexist or tribal dogmas seems to be a mission impossible! And the worst are the ones that mix them all up into some sickening concoction!
InExile
Posted 302 days agoWhat the miners are aggrieved about is the backdrop against which they toil They have learned that wealth or just surviving does not come to those who labour hard or achieve some sort of education.
The wealth and lifestyle of greed and opulence of the president are plain for all to see. Then follows the other members of government and then down to the municipal employees.
How did they get those positions: not through education or any competence or work ethic but simply being appropriately connected . That is to say cadre deployment. For what they deliver they are undoubtedly the worlds most overpaid people.
The next category are the tendertrapaneurs: same people keep getting the tenders same people fail to perform but payment is still guaranteed. Again you don't have to work or be educated to get a tender, just corrupt and connected.
What incentive is there for youth to aspire to education and hard work when all around them they see obscene riches flow to those without these whilst poverty is the lot of the miners and other realworkers .
How different it would be if the money spent on arms deals had been invested in delivery of quality education instead of just lowering a passmark to 30%: By now we would have had a generation justifiably proud of working at decent productive work for decent remuneration.
Verwoerd will be smiling: An ANC government ensuring they educate to ensure they fit the people for the station in life that he would have liked them to become accustomed and unable to distill the truth about their leaders utter indifference to their plight. When all else fails play the race card and all will be forgiven!
To canvas the votes of the people you have betrayed, do betray and intend to continue to betraying ought to be a crime against humanity.
Wake up Voters. Your vote was hard won. Why was it so important?: so you could get what you now have?
cANCerSurvivor
Posted 302 days agoThe constitution allows for polygamy and the perks of the presidency allow for spousal support. These are not the issues. The real problem is that we allowed a man like Jacob Zuma to become our president in the first place.
Scribbles
As for allowing a man like Zuma into the presidency, I agree... huge mistake, but there's little to do about it now. He's entrenched himself fairly well.
Polony_Lips
Posted 302 days agoI am amazed by the amount of ANC trolls that surface on these discussions when the great chief of the nations integrity and ethics and financial waste comes to be discussed.
First of all, its is the norm for a president to earn these perks, yet then again presidents in other countries actually contribute to the well being of their citizens and don't just enrich them selves and their families.
You utterances and way of attacking people when they don't agree with you is a typical of an ANC member. I also see that when ever some one disagrees with the "chief" in charge you think they hate him. As you have a democratic right to support a bunch of criminals like the ANC as leaders, I and any other member on this forum have the right to disagree with you. And just keep in mind , some of us know who you are.....
Whyetfull
Makoya1zn
Do u wear glasses if u DO wear them now if u DON'T i suggest u go see an optometrist now now now.
Firstly i never attacked anyone who did not deserve it if u can READ clearly u will see that i am being called an idiot/criminal. Why? cause i hold a different view. I never provoked or attacked anyone who did not do it 1st. Please if u don't want a reply then don't use this platform cos we are well within our right to disagree if someone is lying/un-informed.
As for u knowing who i am SO WHAT??
i_stub_born
RobtMugabe99
Posted < 1 minute ago
it so disturbing that we still see west agents dictating to us how to live our lives, how many wives you need to have, yet they divorce day in day out, polygumy is practised in middle east without any western interfearence.
South Africa will always be backward country as long as we allow these western people to dictate to us whereas Robert Mugabe has freeid the Zim completely from colonisers
i_stub_born
...Indeed, SAfrica like other Thurd World country will go backwards as the same mentality persists..........
buddi
South Africa will always be backward country as long as we allow these western people to dictate to us whereas Robert Mugabe has freeid the Zim completely from colonisers
That is the funniest thing written out of all comments! You will stay a backward country as long as you have people taking muti to make them invincible!
Makoya1zn
My man that is not funny & u are making fun of our beliefs & culture. May their souls rest in peace
TBMM
Posted 302 days agoi_stub_born
No civilized government anywhere considers allocations to the president and ministers as "entitlement" , except the corrupt ones and the troglodyte tribes with little chefs at the head and historic 'kingdoms, serfdoms and empires'.......
The allocations to government and other authorities are in relation with the economy and finances of the country in question and its necessities,,,,,,,,,except the corrupt and corruptible ones and the troglodyte tribes with little chefs at the head......For that, they create laws that allow thievery and mismanagement, appoint corrupted and corruptible officers to protect and persevere in thievery and mismanagement and create "handbooks" and "manuals" to legalize thievery and corruption............
TBMM
We should be careful of using the words like "civilised government", they all have their own dark histories and skeletons. Do you really believe that in these "civilised governments" the president is not given, as a standard, private security; a car with a driver; private flights and accomodation; e.t.c ?
"The allocations to government and other authorities are in relation with the economy and finances of the country in question and its necessities" This is a very obvious statement, but without any real substance to show that you have done any research into how they arrived at their figures, except to say that they are lower or higher. If in fact you do know something about how they arrived at their conclusions, please enlighten us. The article says that the US presidents costs include the operation of the White House, but you have no idea what percentage that actually is. You have simply assumed that the costs are in line. Let us not be misled by half truths and vague figures and assumptions.
i_stub_born
Makoya1zn
Posted 302 days agoNow i'm just gonna be blunt about this : For over 5 decades apartheid has been in existence in SA & along that period blacks were made to feel like they are less superior than their white counter parts & vice-versa so i don't expect it to change anytime soon. Even psychiatrists/psychologists will tell you that the most resistant human organ in a human being is the brain. People are very resistant when it comes to change & will try anything to hold on what they once had(dominance over blacks).
Unfortunately that era is over & there is a new sheriff in town. They complain about nepotism, if u want to see the real nepotism go to a white/indian owned company even their grand children, uncles, aunts, wives & husbands all work in the same company & yet they complain everyday without fail to us about Nepotism. Oh please!!!
You ain't seen nothing yet Land reform & nationalisation are still coming so i urge u to start preparing now. As our the late Charles Ngqakula once said "If u don't like it here pack your bags & leave".
Now i'm gonna be called a racist but honestly why would u wanna stay in a place/country if u are not happy? it makes no sense.
Lastly I love all my fellow South Africans irrespective of colour, race or gender i just don't like it when people think they are superior than others simply because they were taught to think that way.
Having said that i would like to leave u with these 6 words
My ANC My Vision My Future
i_stub_born
When you insist to justify immorality, thievery, corruption as acceptable and even desirable, contrary to anybody with two fingers of common sense, and insist that such is the credo you follow as well as the other millions of SA, then label these other people as twisted as your beliefs, and you give them the image of a corruptible, easy to buy or dupe and prone to be criminals by nature, then we know that your Party, your Vision, and your Future is precisely the opposite of which this country needs.
there is nothing wrong to uphold your opinion, to persist in believing and trying to make believe that an absurd is valid, is idiotic......Don't cry!........
Makoya1zn
We have fought white dominance & won. I know its a bitter pill to swallow. But as the saying goes if u can't beat them.......i think u know the rest i mean u are not that retarded.
i_stub_born
i_stub_born
"The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations.".....
....I'm afraid it opaques your "vision" and your "future".........
Makoya1zn
Makoya1zn
Wiseguy
What you have written is propoganaristic and does nothing for OUR future or OUR vision!
"People are very resistant when it comes to change & will try anything to hold on what they once had(dominance over blacks)."....this is an unfair statement as we ALL know the apartheid electorate voted overwhelmingly to end dominatation of one race over any other !
"if u want to see the real nepotism go to a white/indian owned company even their grand children, uncles, aunts, wives & husbands all work in the same company & yet they complain everyday without fail to us about Nepotism. Oh please!!!"......If its owned its private and they are allowed as much nepotism as they want....it is their profits and if those owners want to give it to their families they can piss their profits against the wall for all we/Jo public cares! The state/public purse is VERY VERY different......the government of the day is or at least should be accountable to the entire country and its people. No pissing of public money ALLOWED!!!
Lastly you wrote..."You ain't seen nothing yet Land reform & nationalisation are still coming so i urge u to start preparing now. As our the late Charles Ngqakula once said "If u don't like it here pack your bags & leave"."......with all due respect to the late Charles Ngqakula....he did just that didn't he? We all know nationalisation and land reform are disasterous for the people and the country......perhaps our late Mr Ngqakula, knew that as well!! But it is NOT to late to learn from the hard lessons learnt in other countries.......we need to give each and evry family living under the tribal authority land in their own name....a title deed, NOW that would be REAL economic empowerment....one that would be a win-win-win for all barring a few tribal elite.....then we would see this country take off...economically and otherwise!!!
i_stub_born
Muammar Gaddafi, Fidel Castro, Edi amin, Sadaam Husein & Hugo Chavez........It explains...Your role models...ha ha ha ha.......Guevara's tactics failed in the end......and still, he did not like blacks....
Makoya1zn
U seem like a smart guy & u seem to make sense to a certain degree. I am a bit busy this afternoon but shall repond to u the soonest i get a chance. It's good to talk with people who don't swear at u when u hold a different view. I have to say that is fresh on this platform & very much welcomed. Thank you my brother
Makoya1zn
i_stub_born
...and quite typically from your ilk, now turn to play 'victims' when the cockiness fails........ANC Youth Fleague probably........
mbongwamugabe
Posted 302 days agoi_stub_born
staren
mbongwamugabe
You guys are very much happy with the current situation because it allows you to continue looting our natural resources, that is the reason why you spend so much money to put someone like zuma heading our country. Where were you when zuma went to England to take orders from the queen just before he become the president? Remember 200 millions spend by anc in the last election campaign, who funded them? Please don't lie and said Tokyo or Ramaphosa.
staren
Where was I when Zuma went to go visit the queen? Well having tea with them naturally.
I'll just go sit in the corner and think about what I've done...
l984
Makoya1zn
i_stub_born
mbongwamugabe
This is the bed made and funded by pale skinned folks for them continue looting.
RSA.MommaCyndi
HUH?
I go to gym and come back to find you blaming me for something? What did I do this time?
i_stub_born
sean.blyth1
AbommA
Posted 302 days agoRSA.MommaCyndi
Strangely enough, we have made quite significant contributions to the world. Yes, we fight amongst ourselves but, like most dysfunctional families, we stick together when it counts.
sean.blyth1