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Sun May 19 17:36:24 SAST 2013

'Zuma, take secrecy bill to the Concourt'

THABO MOKONE | 30 August, 2012 00:27
President Jacob Zuma. File photo.
Image by: HALDEN KROG

Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe will advise President Jacob Zuma to refer the Protection of State Information Bill to the Constitutional Court for certification when it comes before him for enactment.

Speaking to the Parliamentary Press Gallery Association in Cape Town last night, Motlanthe said asking the highest court in the land to pronounce on the constitutionality of the bill before Zuma signed it "was the way to go".

"We would not hesitate to say to the president 'Refer it to the Constitutional Court for certification'," Motlanthe said.

His comments were made as the ANC in parliament showed signs of buckling under the pressure being brought to bear regarding the bill. ANC MPs yesterday said that they had made three crucial amendments to the bill.

The ANC has scrapped a clause that gave municipalities wide-ranging powers to classify information.

The ANC also dumped a clause that sought to criminalise the publication of information related to the functioning of security agencies such as the National Intelligence Agency.

Finally, it deleted a line that would have made the bill trump the Promotion of Access to Information Act. This sub-clause was widely branded as unconstitutional by organisations such as trade union federation Cosatu and NGO Freedom Under Law.

In a presentation to the multi-party ad hoc committee processing the bill in the National Council of Provinces, ANC MP Sam Mazosiwe described the proposed amendments as a "major leap forward".

"We are tabling an amendment that excludes municipalities [from classifying] documents.

"We are saying that this is a major leap forward [compared] to what we originally had. We believe [in taking] into account the views of the public and also the views of the committee in so far as making sure that our democracy prevails in all of our activities," said Mazosiwe.

But civil society group Right2Know was not satisfied with the proposed concessions, saying they were an inadequate response to fears that the bill was designed to prevent the media exposing corruption in the government.

Mazosiwe said the ANC had also decided to scrap the contentious section 49 of the bill, which sought to prohibit any disclosure or publication of matters relating to the National Intelligence Agency or other state security agencies.

Section 49 was criticised as an attempt to hide the activities of the state security apparatus.

"We are proposing that this proposal be deleted completely in the bill," Mazosiwe said.

But Alison Tilley, of Right2Know, said that though the deletion of section 49 was a "significant gain in terms of transparency" she was worried that the ANC was still not prepared to act on the calls for the inclusion of a public interest defence in the bill.

Opposition MPs said the proposed amendments were "a step in the right direction".

The amendments were agreed to in closed discussions between the ANC and a small group of MPs from the DA, COPE and the IFP.

The bill was passed by the National Assembly in November. Almost all the opposition MPs voted against the bill and a smattering of ANC MPs abstained.

The National Council of Provinces' ad hoc committee has until September 30 to report back to parliament before the bill can be finalised.

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SuiGeneris

Posted 262 days ago
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Secrecy = to hide / to conceal ..... For what reason would the government try to conceal something from the general public and the media other than matters of national security ?
Shouldn't the government be open and transparent about all matters that concerns the general public ?

Duzula

Posted 262 days ago
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Why go all the way to ConCourt, what's all that you really want to hide?

ZENETH

Posted 262 days ago
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Comrade Kgalema did not say 'we'll ask Zuma to take it to ConCourt'. He said they'll ask the President.

So if it reaches the Presidency before mid December 2012, President Zuma will take it to the ConCourt. But if it's after December 2012, your guess is as good as mine.

mugabe1652

Posted 262 days ago
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The fact of the matter is media in our beloved country do need to be control a little bit, they are careless and full of evil agenda that will take our country to the wrong dierction. Thetimes is living example they[thetimes] wrote lies about the future president and later wrote apology article where comments were not allowed.
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Gormogon1

Posted 262 days ago
If TimesLive tells lies, then why are you here? Go and write on the Sowetan forum, and stop writing drivel here where you are not welcome, you silly troll.
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MicaParis

Posted 262 days ago
Comrade Mugabe

Do not you think that ''everything must be bare'' in terms of the spirit and purport of the constitution on transparency?
A media being ''controlled a little bit'' as you alleged will mean cowardice on part of the Government, especially if there is nothing to hide for real.

We have an obligation to respect the freedom of expression and speech as enshrined, in terms of the constitutional means and such respect should also be directed to internationally acclaimed institutions such as the Transparency International who are vocal on pure fundamental rights and corruption issues among others.
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mugabe1652

Posted 262 days ago
Gormogon1

You must be really stupid to ask me that question. Don't you see that i am sharing my views here? Dictating to the son of the soil is just silly of you ma.
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mugabe1652

Posted 262 days ago
MicaParis

If the media were fair and accurate on their reporting then we wouldn't have to want them to be control but as long as they still have their evil agenda against africa then they will be control. Why the British want to arrest Asenge?
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QPCLCD308

Posted 262 days ago
mugabe, why do not you compalain about the media when they report abot Terblanche but reasoning along certain issues clouded by seggregation.
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mugabe1652

Posted 262 days ago
QPCLCD308

Teleb!ch deserve everything that come his way besauce of his stupidity.

MicaParis

Posted 262 days ago
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I wonder if the Bill will pass the constitutionality test, my knowledge of law suggest that the Bill will at list be 60% unconstitutional against the constitutional jurisprudence and essence.

Political wish and instructions does not surpass the wrath of the law as such the law will prevail through constitutional supremacy in terms of section 2 of the constitution.
I complained about the privacy and transparency issues in support of the freedom of expression and speech, against the Bill from its originality whilst it was still a green paper.
The Bill is absolutely ''strange unnecessary phenomenal legal initiative''.

If that Bill have to pass the constitutionality test of validity, than the constitution will have to be amended or at list be ignored, thereby rendering the constitutional validity absurd.
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QPCLCD308

Posted 262 days ago
Mmmmm.......fair enough.

QPCLCD308

Posted 262 days ago
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The ''Spear'' is thinking upside down and must be recalled ...when.....NOW.
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mugabe1652

Posted 262 days ago
You are the last person to tell us that wena mlungu>

mzansi-wanda

Posted 262 days ago
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After reading the impugned sections and comparing them to similar sections of Australia, US and UK, I am of the view that it will not pass constitutional muster.

However, the need for this Bill for protection of the state against foreign espionage cannot be gainsaid.

Editor kindly invite legal fundis to write on these issues. Your writting exposes your lack of depth in the subject matter and equally exhibits a bias. The least our people deserve is to be informed sufficiently on the matter to formulate their views.

i_stub_born

Posted 262 days ago
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I must understand that "foreign espionage" (coming from Zimbabwe, Namibia, Swaziland and the Antartic bases surely), includes the secret deals, tenders, ANC business, Minstrels deeds and travels and also the internal espionage market with ANC municipalities, mayors, MECs and other subaltern amoebas activities to "protect the taxpayer and voters from their own greed"................

Wiseguy

Posted 262 days ago
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Is there ANYONE in this country(RSA and its citizens) who supports this BILL.....excluding the political elite and their connected cronies and families(for obvious reasons)!

ANYONE??????
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WhatTheHack

Posted 262 days ago
Wiseguy where you at the protests which were organized by different organizations when this bill came out? If no shut up if yes see you at the next protest.

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i_stub_born

Posted 262 days ago
......for sure!!........the horde of brainless ANC cadres and fans (Youth Fleague and Friends of the Purple Fatso included)......just read their torpid comments like the 'solied-son-of-the-solied-soil-under-the-soiled-sun' and others in this regard...........
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mugabe1652

Posted 262 days ago
i_stub_born

Listen here my boy i am the son of the soil finish and klaar and you are what you were born to be, don't blame me if it was my choice i won't allow breath on your soul.
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i_stub_born

Posted 262 days ago
...aw!..c'mon!.......nobody blames you for being the soiled son...it is only natural...with so many cows around........
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mugabe1652

Posted 262 days ago
i_stub_born

Whats your blood issue?
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i_stub_born

Posted 262 days ago
....nope!....why would I have issues, especially, especially with you?.....Nah! it's just polite concern for your wellbeing....stay out of the sun, it might cake your soled soul........
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QPCLCD308

Posted 262 days ago
Aaaaa, I_star_born, do you even bother to argue with mugabe, c'mon be serious, please do not compromise your thinking.

mugabe1652

Posted 262 days ago
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Black people are worse off than they were during the apartheid years, expelled ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema said today
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PEOPLE THE FUTURE PRESIDENT IS TALKING YOU MUST LISTEN TO HIM NOW.
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Wiseguy

Posted 262 days ago
Mugabe, he, Malema, is one of the BIG reasons people in general and the so-called "blacks" specifically are worse off today than they were previously. Note I said ONE!

You see the militant shoutings and screams that eminated from the YL under Malema's watch led to another huge and ongoing "brain drain"(of ALL creeds and colours) on this country and hence resulted in a shrinking tax base. So the result of his actions and words are one of the MAIN reasons, we the people are worse off !!

Less money.....less brains to help........NOW you must say thank you to Malema and his YL colleagues under his watch for this amazing job!! NOT!!!!!!!
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i_stub_born

Posted 262 days ago
"MALEMA ARRIVES TO AURORA MINE


"MALEMA ARRIVED IN A MERCEDES-BENZ VIANO dressed in a white shirt, black pants and his trademark beret."


It is owned by President Jacob Zuma's nephew Khulubuse Zuma and former president Nelson Mandela's grandson, Zondwa Mandela. (notoriously whites)........HA HA HA HA HA HA......
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mugabe1652

Posted 262 days ago
Wiseguy

Bla bla bla with no evidence of your allegations toward future president.
What actions are you referring to? Point it out so that we have proof here, please don't provide me with hearsay from media who has their evil agenda.
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i_stub_born

Posted 262 days ago
....and what is Malema going to do??........Khubuluse is three times bigger, in fact, khubuluse could sit on Malema and finish his sorry "used condom" existence...........
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mugabe1652

Posted 262 days ago
i_stub_born

Put people like you in their own place.
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i_stub_born

Posted 262 days ago
.....oh good!...I see you followed my advice and kept in the shadow and remain fresh soil.....or was it another cow ???....HA HA HA HA............it was getting boring, we needed more of you.....