Blair slams Tutu claim that he lied about Iraq
Former British prime minister Tony Blair has described as "completely wrong" assertions by retired archbishop Desmond Tutu that he "lied" when explaining why he decided to approve the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Blair's support for the invasion of Iraq prompted Tutu to refuse last week to join a leadership conference in Sandton, to which Blair had been invited as a keynote speaker.
Writing in the British newspaper The Observer, Tutu called on Blair and former US president George W Bush to face trial in The Hague for their role in the Iraq war. He accused the two of lying about weapons of mass destruction and said the invasion left the world more unstable and divided "than any other conflict in history".
"The immorality of the decision by the US and Britain to invade Iraq in 2003, premised on the lie that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, has destabilised and polarised the world to a greater extent than has any other conflict in history."
Tutu, awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in 1984, said Blair and Bush should face justice at the International Criminal Court, in The Hague.
He questioned the different standards for bringing African and Asian leaders to justice at The Hague compared with Western leaders.
Bush and Blair, he said, had "fabricated the grounds to behave like playground bullies and drive us further apart. They have driven us to the edge of a precipice where we now stand - with the spectre of Syria and Iran before us."
In his response, Blair said Tutu was simply repeating an old "canard" about the reasons for invading Iraq when "every single analysis of the evidence" showed the country had weapons of mass destruction.
He added: "To say Saddam's massacre of hundreds of thousands of his citizens is irrelevant to the morality of removing him is bizarre".
But Tutu said the cost of removing former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had come at the expense of more than 11000 Iraqi lives since the start of the conflict, with millions more displaced.
He said the invasion of Iraq had created the backdrop for civil war in Syria, and a potential conflict in the Middle East over Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Tutu said: "By the end of last year, nearly 4500 American soldiers had been killed and more than 32000 wounded. On these grounds alone, in a consistent world, those responsible for this suffering and loss of life should be treading the same path as some of their African and Asian peers who have been made to answer for their actions in The Hague," said Tutu.
Last week Tutu refused share a stage with Blair at the Discovery Invest Leadership Summit.


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Posted 259 days agoILoveTheTruth
How do you know this?
You tend to forget about tyrants such as Bush and Blair who were responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians(including their own citizens). And it does not take a genius to see that they do this in the name of profit. They have profited from all their crimes by seizing the oil and minerals of the countries they invade and war with. Today still, Palestinians die daily because of the West support for Israel. But because they and their masters control the media, people are being fed a lot of BS.
Do they ever get tried for their crimes? No! We must stop being hypocrites, and start holding everyone accountable for their crimes. Some of these western leaders know they can get away with murder because their citizens allow it, and it is all in the name of pillage and plunder. Most European countries are rich today(and the citizens love it) because of the wealth they stole from other nations when they invade. I would hang my head in shame if I were from Europe.
SecretVoice
How do you know this??? Are you serious!!!! Go ask the Kurds about his chemical warfare against them.
ILoveTheTruth
kksonuk
Same as saying the world is a better place without Bin Laden, or the world is a better place without Colin Chauke, Or the world is a better place without Ananias Mathe.... On the same note, I think the world would have been a better place without Bush and Blair. If I were to put my view of things, Bin Laden would not have attacked US if bush was not the president of that country. I know am relating completely different people/ criminals above without relation whatsoever and out of place and that is what the war in Iraq has done to the world. It caused confusion as I seem to have confused things above.
Do U know anything about "The Halliburton". I bet you do but I would say revisit and add up things. The war in Iraq had nothing to do with the safety of the world... as much as Sadam was not the safest person to be ruled by for some part of Iraq. I still remember the million (people) march we had in London just before the war. The message was clear to both Bush and Blair that their so called evidence was wrong and the truth was that there is no such thing as weapons of mass destruction. But in their minds one thing was clear... "We kill that dude, we have our hands on oil and man we are rich". The unfortunate thing is that those of us including the Americans and British citizens who believe that the war in Iraq was for a good cause, we will never rip the benefit of it.. oil that is.
amaKK
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So is Mugabe, Al-Bashi, Blaise Campore... The list of (sitting) murderous leaders is long.
If there's one thing about Tutu, he's message has been consistent for decades. He's one voice of truth.
JoelLegodi
ILoveTheTruth
I am sure they know about it and support it secretly. Satan's greatest trick on mankind is hiding his existence. It creates confusion so that he can better control the world.
HanifManjoo
FYI
The same Muslims (Arabs and blacks) protected Jews from being slaughtered in Jerusalem.
Saladin, when he heard that (I think William the Great) lost his white horse during one of the Crusades, sent him a replacment, observing 'a noble leader cannot be without a horse'.
Besides, that history is a bad chapter in mankind's legacy; only about religious fanaticism. Even Chrsitians committed atrocities against their own, not only during the Inquisition.
As noted, we are now talking about current times of being civilised, a global village and tolerance, not the deemed superiority of one human race above the rest!
Colourless
OBigOneKenobi
mohapisepeesa
nkosipeter
Posted 259 days agoIraq is now a safer place to live in than South Africa.
uShwi-nent'encane
OBigOneKenobi
Yes, I agree - there's no way South Africa is a safer place than Iraq with the ANC in power.
Tronn
Posted 259 days agouShwi-nent'encane
HanifManjoo
What we all do not ever consider is: no Africanor Asian country ever invaded a western country on such a pretext. That alone says a lot about the murderous west and their allies.
At the end of the day, we are all 'clowns' but that does not digress from standing up for human rights! Pity that we regress into such insensitivity despite being 'religious' and 'civilised'!
kksonuk
"Just now his interference results in war between USA and RSA. "
You seem and sound very much scared of the USA!
The-Rothschilds
The middle east has never invaded the West AKA Europe????
Dude, history is alot longer than the past 350 years.
The Moors (Black and Arab Muslims from Africa and the Middle East) slaughtered millions of Europeans during their invasions of Europe.
ILoveTheTruth
Dude, we are talking about modern times in which we are supposed to be civilized, not ancient history. Geez, you guys can really keep a grudge hey? LOL!
kksonuk
Can we continue to blame apartheid then in South Africa as well?
ILoveTheTruth
"Can we continue to blame apartheid then in South Africa as well? "
hahahaha! Good point!
The-Rothschilds
That is exactly what you do, you blame apartheid for everything.........yet you don't want to hear the crimes you committed in your history, like Khoi Khoi genocide.
i_stub_born
Posted 259 days agoEddyDeepfield
Posted 259 days agoLike Iran today he wanted to obliterate Israel off the face of the earth. So the Arch should stick to Church politics and not world politics, because he cares nothing for those oppressed by Sadaam Hussein or those oppressed by Islamic fanatic Governments like Iran etc.
That in my book justifies Tony Blair’s actions. As one wise person said “Evil flourishes where good men do nothing”. Can you imagine our bumbling and indecisive President Zuma doing something in the presence of evil? He has done nothing in the presence of the Butcher of the Matabele tyrant Robert Gabriel Mugabe Savour of Zimbabwe.
ILoveTheTruth
Yes? Then how come they did nothing In Zimbabwe or other countries where there are slaughters taking place daily? How about invading Israel for slaughtering thousands of children? Do you honestly think they went into Iraq to help the citizens? Well if you think this then you are truly naive. They have a dark agenda! We all know they went in there for the oil and to setup base for future attacks. Wake up, please!
i_stub_born
Posted 259 days ago.......History of mankind is replete with examples...........
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 259 days agoJeremyActon
Posted 259 days agoThe WMD claim was absolute lies, and only an excuse to invade. (They are trying the same BS with Iran)
When we judge the leaders of other nations, thugs though they may be, we must respect rule of international law, and also recognise that nations must sort out thir own internal strife. No country has a right to invade another with military force and bombs on "humanitarian" grounds.
Sure, Saddam was harming the Kurds, but what happened to the civilian population of Iraq in the hands of the USA was MUCH MUCH worse. Remember that US NATO forces also used depleted uranium in shells and bullets, which even today affect Iraqis.
I greatly admire the stance of Bishop Tutu on this matter, especially in comparison with the fawning behavior of our government towards Blair and to the powers behind big money.
Let's face it. Our country is being run by the NWO.
ILoveTheTruth
Hehehe! Agreed sir.
And they are now concentrating their forces in the Middle East, as these guys are not playing ball with their One-World-Order agenda. I would say they pretty much have the rest of the world under their control.
The-Rothschilds
The-Rothschilds
I am not Jewish, nor do I care what you feel for Jews, considering your comments contradict your split personality.
The way i see it, is that the world of all races spat on the Jews for all their existence and now the tables have turned so the world is pooping in each pants :)
EddyDeepfield
l984
Posted 259 days agol984
ILoveTheTruth
Abdulla-Saleeh
Posted 259 days agoTruth is the war in Iraq had nothing to do with finding weapons but to remove Saddam as he was not allowing us/euro oil companies to rig oil in Iraq. Same reason why Gadhaffi was outsted.
Peopl should begging to question why when African countries are sitting on massive deposits of mineral are so poor (poorest in the world)? This is what men like Gadhaffi and Sadam where fighting against. Look at the economics of Libya during Gadaffis reign and look at them 5 year from now, there will be a massive downward change.
Iraq under Sadam enjoyed high GDp per capita, the countries urban area were doing well and people were affluent and enjoyed a high standard of living.
The-Rothschilds
Both Iraq and Libya were third world hell holes scourged with militancy and poverty. America just put both countries on the map and came them both some years of fame.
Abdulla-Saleeh
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 259 days agoILoveTheTruth
Posted 259 days agoI agree with you my friend, the biggest crooks(USA, Europe and Israel) pretend to be the heroes and saviours of the world. In the meantime they oppress, murder and steal from other countries.
Anyone with half a brain can see this!
Forgive "The Rotschild", he does not have half a brain.(and don't say because you have a full one). LOL!
Abdulla-Saleeh
Redplug
l984
While I can somewhat agree with most of your comment (except for the last sentence) - if one is to acknowledge the reality - the major attempts for domination are split between the following forces:
- USA/Britain/western civilisation
- Russia/China/communist countries
- Islamic fundamentalism
If you were to be realistic enough and accept the situation for what it is - which one would you choose? And to take it one step further - if we were to compare those countries' citizens' human rights, freedoms, opportunities and level of democracy - which ones would come first? Lastly - if one was to compare the number of citizens of any of those countries fleeing and seeking refige and better opportunities elsewhere - what would the picture look like - and mostly why???
EddyDeepfield
Abdulla-Saleeh
If one was to judge america on the true sense of democracy and human right I'd say they have violated worse than most countries, e.g. the invasion of Iraq!
And bear in mind that ameria uses democracy as a polarising factor just as the english and the spanish used christianinty. In it's true sense what was sold is not what is practised by the americans themselves, they have violated human rights in many of the countries where they have had major business relations. Their biggest problem isasuming that democracy is good for everyone and should be accepted by all.
l984
My point was that nothing and no one is perfect, and that we should accept, analyse and compare the reality as it is, choose what seems to be the best option and strive to make it even better.
"Their biggest problem isasuming that democracy is good for everyone and should be accepted by all."
I would say democracy is good for those who want and believe in their personal power as individuals, their freedom, independence, responsibility and ability to choose their fate or effect change if necessary. For those who want to be treated like sheep and oppressed or abused there are plenty other options - tribalism, feudalism, islamic fundamentalism, communism and plenty other -isms. It would only be fair though that they refrain from bleating like the sheep they are against the consequences thereof, or try not to run away into the big bad democratic western world at every opportunity.
Abdulla-Saleeh
All the systems have their good and their own flaws. And any of them can be manipulated for gain by those in a position of power, it doesn't matter what political system is applied, what matters is the people we have at the helm. If those at the helm are bad the system will be abused and will appear bad, if we have good people then they can even turn the worst of system into a good one.
l984
True. There is another just as important issue though since there are no guarantees: If the system in question does not allow the removing and replacing of the people at the top if it turns out that they are really bad - then the system is just as bad! And not all systems allow for that.
So in essence - it DOES matter what political system is applied!
Abdulla-Saleeh
Why must the family still leech off the taxpayer?
The reason why some systems do not allow the removal of leader is not the system it is the leaders wanting to hang on to pwer and plunder the resources. Any system can allow the removal of leaders, remember the rules of the systems are made by those at the top and they want to preserve what can help them acquire wealth.
m1si2zi3nzo4
Hence all cannot survive the information age, because in it everyone has access to all the information, and can manage his life according to his own interpretation of the available information, without looking up to the top. The resistance to wider use of technology is the born out of fear of loss of control by those who have self-appointed themselves as 'leaders', be it in religion, politics, economy, etc. The only honesty is in the capitalism, which does not hide the fact that it relies on domination of the market. The rest play the role of 'preachers' to those they identify as poor, and in need of their pity. They cannot explain where they get their right and power to 'preach' or rule the rest, so that we all can be preachers or rulers.
Abdulla-Saleeh
QPCLCD308
Posted 259 days agomugabe1652
l984
Posted 259 days ago... Now what would a thread like this one be without an Islamic fundamentalist ???
l984
... and what would I and my Creator be without a Prophet like yourself..?!!!
i_stub_born
Posted 259 days agomugabe1652
Posted 259 days ago..
Can our twisted Blair give us an evidence of his allegations? or just another dark and dive like all politicians do>
i_stub_born
Posted 259 days agoThe middle east has never invaded the West AKA Europe????
Dude, history is alot longer than the past 350 years.
The Moors (Black and Arab Muslims from Africa and the Middle East) slaughtered millions of Europeans during their invasions of Europe.
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Aside that........
yet. mankind benefitted with the arab influence AT THAT TIME.........There was lots of knowledge and advancement in science and respect for other cultures and religions....
....a big difference with the present time hordes of fanatic barbarians that want to go back to the cave ages and want to drag all of us along............
i_stub_born
Posted 259 days ago.....the capitas alone or the ones still attached to a body ??...............
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 259 days agoFew can still believe in their trick of shifting people from their realities and directing their attention elsewhere, where their knowledge is extremely limited, and their sense can be made only from their prodigies.
JohnnyEnglish
Posted 259 days agoHe should be tried at the Hague.
mugabe1652
mugabe1652
Posted 259 days agoeppy136667
Posted 259 days agoThere is something I just can't stand when our wealth is being measured in US Dollars and you don't find a conversion of a "R" (Rand) on cellphone calculaters and converters!
I support you Tutu....
-136667
RSA.MommaCyndi
Posted 259 days agoBlair is nothing but Bush's lackey. They both went against the UN and they both hid the reports that showed no threat but hyped up nonsense reports to convince their people that they should send their husbands, sons, mothers and daughters over to die for a personal vendetta. They have blood on their hands.
It is irrelevant if Saddam was a saint or a sinner - the truth is that the people of Iraq had their choice of self determination taken from them.
JohnnyEnglish
Posted 259 days agoPlease please please open up all your stories to comments again. Just like the old days.
Dont you remember the fun we all used to have ?
:(
devanzlive
mugabe1652
Stirrer
TimesLive doesn't like having satisfied readers and commentators ;)
JohnnyEnglish
Good to see a name from the past.
Where is everybody man ???
I feel like I have come back to town to find all my old friends have moved away !
Shame on you Times Live.
We, the people, demand a reunion.
devanzlive
Posted 259 days agoJohnnyEnglish
Pretty much sums Tony up doesn't it.