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Tue May 21 17:12:02 SAST 2013

Miners declare war

GRAEME HOSKEN | 06 September, 2012 00:1453 Comments
Thousands of mineworkers march to the Karee shaft, near Rustenburg, North West, yesterday to hand over a memorandum to Lonmin Picture: MOELETSI MABE

South Africa might wake up to another day of violence should threats by thousands of striking workers at Lonmin's Marikana mine be carried out.

Yesterday, about 5000 angry miners, armed with axes, knobkerries, poles and sticks, threatened to set alight anyone or any vehicle that attempts to enter the mine in North West this morning.

The threat was made against the backdrop of almost two weeks of violence in which 10 people - including two security guards and two policemen - were killed before the shooting of 34 striking miners.

Yesterday, miners marched on the main shaft at Karee Mine, outside Rustenburg, and gave management an ultimatum to stop all work at 1pm or face a new wave of bloodshed.

"We are here to collect the impimpis [informers]," said William Stone, one of the miners.

"We are here to collect those who continue to work. We are here to show them and you a lesson. If this mine remains open, there will be blood. We will show you how serious we can be."

The miners faced a thin line of police officers who barricaded the main entrance.

They sang derogatory songs about Lonmin management and President Jacob Zuma and his government.

"When we come back tomorrow no one must be here. Nothing must be working. If it is, we will burn everything. We will burn down the mine, those who continue to work here and any cars," Stone said.

The strikers claim they earn R4500 a month after deductions and are demanding a take-home salary of R12500.

The number of workers who reported for work yesterday plummeted to an all-time low, with Lonmin reporting a 4.5% workforce attendance at all shafts.

The Lonmin share price has shed nearly 20% in the last month, hitting a nine-year low of R70.50 yesterday.

Senior shaft manager Jan Thirion said the miners' threat was like a "loaded gun put against your head".

"They have threatened to destroy the mine and anyone working here unless they get their increases. We want peace, but it is clear they want a war.

"They have given us an ultimatum, but we do not respond well to threats. It is not something we will entertain," he said, surrounded by heavily armed bodyguards.

Striker Sisanda Ndeleni said they would not respond to calls for them to return to work. "Why should we when they [management] ignore our pleas for a living wage.

"First we want our increases and then we will return. Until then we will make sure that no one will work. Anyone who does will be killed. There can be no other way."

As peace talks, involving Lonmin, government and unions continued, Stone asked why the strikers should agree to peace. "Can you eat peace? Can you buy food and clothes with peace? What is this peace thing? We do not want peace and will not accept peace. We need our money before we make peace.

"We will continue to fight and die for our money. We are not afraid to die or to do what we need to do for our money," he said.

Provincial police spokesman Brigadier Thulani Ngubane said police were managing the situation and would deal with threats as and when they arose.

"It is an extremely tense environment at the moment, with tensions to remain high for a long time. We are appealing for all sides to respect the rule of law. Anything that does arise and is found to be threatening the sovereignty of the country will be dealt with swiftly. We will leave nothing to chance and have the appropriate forces to deal with any situation," Ngubane said.

About 30 police officers on the ground were worried throughout the day that they could be quickly overrun by the striking mineworkers. The heavily armed officers - with about six Nyala armoured vehicles and a water cannon - said tensions were very high.

"The threat here is very real. We are totally outnumbered and although we have forces on standby, there is no way they can respond quick enough," said an officer on the scene, who asked not to be named. "If they want to take us out they can. The anger and the desire for revenge is very high. They have weapons, which they will easily use," he said.

The interministerial committee on the massacre condemned statements that incited violence and caused instability. Without mentioning names, but clearly referring to expelled ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's comments, the committee said: "Those who issue irresponsible and provocative statements must realise the gravity of their actions and must take responsibility.''

Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane, who heads the committee, said: "The government has a responsibility to maintain law and order and therefore will not tolerate any irresponsible and unwarranted provocation from any quarters of our society."

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SuiGeneris

Posted 257 days ago
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Go ahead and destroy the mine as you are threatening !

That is something that you are very good at. To destroy.

But that is just how fat you are capable of thinking !

What happens after that ?

Then you sit without a job and no other mine will employ you if they know that you come from Lonmin.

Highly intelligent thinking from you miners !!!

jamesnaker

Posted 257 days ago
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Nothing but armed robbers! Shoot the lot of them if they carry out their threats. Hope Malema is among them leading this 'revolution'.
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Keith.van.Eeden.

Posted 257 days ago
Let them draw" First Blood" so the police are not erroneously accused.

Gormogon1

Posted 257 days ago
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They are just a bunch of uneducated, ANC indoctrinated troublemakers. Probably a huge chunk of them are not even affiliated to the mine; a very sad state of affairs.
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Biggest

Posted 257 days ago
"uneducated, ANC indoctrinated troublemakers"?
Thats very foolish and speculative of you. How do you draw such a conclusion? Typical of you people - when it suits you claim to have 'followers' in teh townships and villages, but when things get astray, you are the first ones to distance yourself from anything. Talk of cowards and hypocrites.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 257 days ago
I'm not a great fan of the ANC but you may want to READ the article again. Maybe pick up on the anti Zuma chanting and the calls to Holomesa to help?
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Gormogon1

Posted 257 days ago
Biggest:

Just shut-up, I am not in the mood for you today.
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Biggest

Posted 257 days ago
I am never in the mood for one-dimensional thinkers like you. Thanks to Momma for taking a sober approach on the matter.
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South_One

Posted 257 days ago
I agree with you but in a roundabout way. They are screaming for money "I want, I want" but ironically their threat is to burn down the source of that money. That's stupid and it's what we expect from the uneducated masses. The ANC has created this mass of unthinking thugs through their failure to educate the population and thus it is the ANC who have indoctrinated the miners into this moronic behavior.
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Biggest

Posted 257 days ago
reductionist thinking says: attainment of education leads to compliant citizenry and civility, meaning that people who are 'educated' are less likely to get involved in deviant socail behaviour. I think this postulation is very simplistic. On the contrary, education can lead to higher levels of consciousness, and therefore refusal to accept the status quo. The result CAN violent overturn of government systems.

i_stub_born

Posted 257 days ago
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Fat chance!!!.............Malema's courage only shows from the back rows with six armed bodyguards paid by secret admirer(s) ready to cover his fat a.rse when he retreats...........

If there is blood, he will happily return when safe to stir the sh.t again.....That is his style.......

JanssenS

Posted 257 days ago
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Can't anyone in goverment see the danger signs? Or is it me that's stupid.
Deploy the armed forces now. This is not going to go away.
Show these miners that intimidation and war talk will be met with the strongest force.
Absolutely unbelievable that this is allowed to carry on and fester.
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SuiGeneris

Posted 257 days ago
I essence they are cowards, but they are being brainwashed by a few instigators [including malema] who orchestrate these riots.

The moment that they gather in a crowd, and are armed, that is when their intelligence would tell them that they are heroes.

ByronSmit

Posted 257 days ago
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"We will continue to fight and die for our money. We are not afraid to die or to do what we need to do for our money," he said.

I thought many of these miners were striking because they were breadwinners, their family's only support, and they required higher wages to be able to better support their families. I can tell you that if I had a wife and kids relying on me, and only me, then I would be very afraid to die for "our money".
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SuiGeneris

Posted 257 days ago
Called brainwashing !

A phrase that they like to use without thinking about the implications.

Just like malema who was ''prepared to die for zuma''

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 257 days ago
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Frightening just how many laws have been broken here and nobody seems to care.

buddi

Posted 257 days ago
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Unfortunately all of the deviant behaviour that is happening in SA, from Gr 1s beating up classmates, to this, can all be laid at the door or our leader and his cohorts. There is no leadership at the top; none in the middle; and none at the bottom, and the masses are allowed to behave as they please.
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Wiseguy

Posted 257 days ago
I hear you Buddi but would add, there is leadership.....it is just deemed by I would guess the majority of citizens to have "lost its way"!

The applaudable and morally/ethically acceptable ideology of "a better life for all" has been replaced by the less acceptable ideology of "whats in it for ME".....and the facts before us point to this change in ideology of our current leaders ! While this can be argued and debated......with regards to how true it may actually be....that is the impression the public(citizens) see's, hears and is now feeling! This leads to feelings of resentment, dissapointment and ultimately intolerance with the leaders of today.

Their failures and their self-enrichment schemes are a daily reality in the news, local and international.....unfottunately, but true.
On top of this we have the tribal authorities influence and the failed tribal authorities governance model influencing todays leaders.....just yesterday, a request for another 18million from the Zulu monarch.....which he will probabely get, as he is well connected, no doubt! Yet his subjects(serfs) live in abject poverty, with no land in their name and very limited ability to get themselves out of their dire situation. But our current leaders do not, or won't see the/any solutions?? Where a win - win solution is possible. If the Zulu monarch would give his subjects a title deed for the land they are living on.....thus empowering them to be their own king of their own land....I for one would not stand against tax payers money being giving to the royal family! A simple, transparnet and fair negotiation on behalf of those who have no voice is all that is required. If he says no, then stop paying him any money!!

How many of these Marikana miners have land in their names? I don't know! But given that most of them come from the areas governed by the tribal authorities....I would guess most have NO land in their names. So these people have very very little going for them and their families. They are not afraid to die, as they have very little to live for.

But if our goverment would negotiate with the tribal authorities for all of these families(22 million people I believe) to be given title deeds in return for the ongoing Financial support of the tribal authorities.....we would have a win win win situation. The economy would boom, entrepeneurs would thrive, the people would be a hell of a lot more content and way less likely to be prepared to die for any cause.....hence stability for the entire country !!!!
A families land is their home.....and this requires unarguable, proven individual title deed ownership!
Land in their name gives them pride and a HUGE reason to live and strive to do well.
Land in their name gives their life meaning and motivates them.
Land in their name makes them a king in their own kingdom......ect ect ect>>>>>

I fail to understand how this simple but absolutely necessary negotiation is not taking place?
If you say "A better life for all".........then do it!

Mike123

Posted 257 days ago
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At the moment they take home R4500.00 a month. A lot more than many South Africans. Are they too stupid to realise that if they carry on the way they are, they will probably all be unemployed and an additional burden on tax paying South Africans? Not to mention the adverse impact their stupidity is having on an already weak economy.
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buddi

Posted 257 days ago
They don't think, they only act (violently).
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Robrt1Mugabe99

Posted 257 days ago
I wish you dig deeperand understand what is all about, you claim to be worried about their salaries whreas the is big picture you dont see
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buddi

Posted 257 days ago
Your own government doesn't understand what it is all about - please explain.

i_stub_born

Posted 257 days ago
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......And the Minstrels of Labour, Minerals, Police crawled back to their dens until another tragedy occurs........Zuma of course has no testicular fortitude beyond the sheets........No rabid Mantashe, Vavi, Jackson Mthembu to perform in front of the cameras..........No Mac's tongue twisting statements.................My ANC.......my fission.......my vultures........HA HA HA HA........
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Maxi

Posted 257 days ago
To my understanding this is a labor dispute between workers and their employers. What does ANC or its leaders has to do with this? Should they force the employers to meet these miners' demands or should they force the miners to drop their demands? Can you clarify this to me please if you don't mind.
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i_stub_born

Posted 257 days ago
To clarify your "little" understanding: -

-ANC is the party in power.

-ANC appoints Minstrels through ANC appointed Prez....SA citizens and tax-payers have to endure the appointments.

-When there is a labour dispute, there is a Minstrel of Labour to verify the labour laws are complied with.

-When there is a miner labour dispute with potential serious consequences and transnationals are involved, Minstrel of Minerals must verify that the country interests are protected when the mineral resources are exploited.

-When there is a serious dispute involving social violence and turbulence, the Minstrel of Police is there to prevent that the blood does not reach the river (a metaphore for your understanding)......

- When the volatile situation is not sorted out and is spreading to other places, the Minstrels should be applying the current laws and not showing their lachrymose masks at the memorial services and funerals.......

-Even if it is for assisting the useless image of Zuma with view to the oncoming elections and to keep duping the cadres and voters and miners, wouldn't it be "common sense" that the Minstrels and other clowns in the lethal axis SACP-COSATU-ANC were "apparently doing something" rather than waiting for fat raccoons like Malema to scavenging the carcasses ????....
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Maxi

Posted 257 days ago
Things you have mentioned in your latest comments are already implemented by the government. To help your little understanding, the government make sure that labor laws are implemented, but they have no right to interfere in salary disputes involving a private company. The minister of police has been always making sure that there is law and order. Unfortunately the situation became more violent. Can you be clear how the ANC led government failed in this dispute than mentioning obvious things?
Do not let your hatred of ANC clouds your judgement.
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i_stub_born

Posted 257 days ago
The Minstrels of your glorious ANC and the party have succeeded....

That's why there were miners killed....That's why there was a strike.....That's why Police entered without plan nor tactics.....That's why a moron like Malema is exploiting the situation in his favor.....

Why would cadres like yourself don't want to acknowledge the reality and keep on denying the undeniable.....

Your ANC is not a shadow of what could have been if ever it was. It is replete of gangsters and mafia politicos with only interest in filling their pockets "ïn the name of the previously disadvantaged by apartheid, blah, blah, blah....""


..But it is perfectly normal for you chaps, ne?........
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Maxi

Posted 257 days ago
You are dodging the point. Ok let me put it this way .....if you were the president or part of the government, how were you going to handle this situation? If you can explain fully how the government failed these miners and this labor dispute then I'll understand. Please let's go strait to the point and not go around in circles.
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i_stub_born

Posted 257 days ago
Rather than me giving you my ideas, why don't you illustrate us with what effective actions were taken by the Minstrels in question and/or other involved in this sordid affair and how come if they so did, still the outcome was and still is unacceptable.........Remember, they are ANC appointed Minstrels, along with your President. ....
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Maxi

Posted 257 days ago
Anyway I understand why you cannot come with any ideas as you are aware that every necessary step was taken by our government. You just criticise for the sake of it.
To start with, the government created an environment were labor disputes can be solved peacefully through peaceful protests. The government sent police officers to make sure all parties are safe and do not attack each other. Police officers made sure that properties were not distroyed. Unfortunately the miners armed themselves with dangerous weapons, and with the believe that they invisible and immune to bullets, they charged to police who retaliated by shooting. Government could not prevent this incident as there was no government official by then. Police officers were suprised. After this incident the government ordered a commision of inquiry to investigate this shooting.
So what's your point? What more action you expected from the government?
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i_stub_born

Posted 257 days ago
Tell us what "environment created by the government this labour dispute was such that ended in a strike. What action did the ANC government take to even reach the strike..........There is no such a thing as "peaceful protest"............not here in SA.....Who were in charge of "creating such environment"?....Were they visible in the process of "creation" ???........

Tell us why "police officers were sent to prevent attacks on each other and destruction of property" with LIVE AMMUNITION used IN WAR......How come they did not use rubber bullets, water sprays, tear gas and other means to control a crowd..... Were they trained in the handling of crowds ??.....The reports of the victims examination detail entry wounds on the back...they were shot while running away.....

Tell us who is responsible for this military action, if ultimately it is not the Minstrel of Police.....

Tell us what "implemented action" was taken by the Government through the respective Minstrels in order to get Lonmin employer with Cyril Ramaphosa on board, to get both parties into discussion looking for a solution considering that Lonmin is a multinational company......
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Maxi

Posted 257 days ago
I have a problem with your reasoning. There is no country that can prevent labor disputes or strike unless it is under autocratic government. In every democratic states there will always be labor disputes.....the strike or protest is a democratical rights of every worker.
If you were following this dispute you will know that initially police used rubber bullets and water canons, but some of them together with miners were killed by armed protesters. So were you expecting them not to arm themselves when dealing with these violent protesters?
For your information it is labor unions' resposibilities to intervene on salaries disputes. No government can decide how much a private company must pay its employees.
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i_stub_born

Posted 256 days ago
...All ANC cadres have problems to defend the indefensible and no problems to recur to half truths, fact twisting and so on.

You evade the questions....I am not talking of another country but THIS country. I haven't read of another country that allowed a labour dispute to go out of control and end up in a bloodbath and without the respective Ministers of the involved areas working towards a solution and if failing RESIGNING amid investigations, only if for personal embarrassment and not to put their government in ridicule.......And if they don't resign, THEY ARE KICKED OUT........Your ANC party rewards the incompetent and corrupt with other high posts with big bucks.............

The strike or protest is the last step in a failing negotiation, not here, the first mean to coerce one of the parties....

For YOUR information, unions could be the first ones in negotiating disputes, Government intervenes when the situation escalates or if the parties are abusing each other.....Unions here are part of the ANC evil axis. The secretary of NUM reputedly earns over 100000 bucks monthly......If they are bought, as we have been seen that nothing works in the ANC-alliance unless there is some oiling in the due pockets, then they do nothing.....Sounds logical does it not?

""If you were following this dispute you will know that initially police used rubber bullets and water canons, but some of them together with miners were killed by armed protesters. So were you expecting them not to arm themselves when dealing with these violent protesters? """

That happened before when the situation was escalating beyond control....Tell us what actions the government of your ANC take to avoid further confrontation .......Did they see what was coming ??????.........

I can imagine your comments if this exact situation would have happened in those "apartheid years"...........

mmugabe

Posted 257 days ago
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If the mine management is not cooperating i am afraid the mine workers are left with no choice but fight for their right up until the last man down mark my lips. we are tired of being slaves in our own country due to anc inability to enforce the law.
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Remote

Posted 257 days ago
What right would that be?

mmugabe

Posted 257 days ago
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Charging the future president is another way of diverting the issue, Malema is not the issue but the mine mangement who are not willing to come to the table with fair deal. I am sure the future president can answer infront of the mickey mouse judge,but zuma must be recall.
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SuiGeneris

Posted 257 days ago
''''''Charging the future president'......''''''' Are you referring to your ''hero'' malema ?

I will assume you do.

What amazes me is that you currently have a non performing president with a grade 5 qualification with disastrous consequences for this country and now you want malema who has mud for brains to be president.

Wonder what you have for brains ?
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mmugabe

Posted 257 days ago
SuiGeneris

Thetimes ED is happy to your insults towards me[son of the soil] and doesn't remove your comment.

At the issue at hand i personal never voted for zuma. President Mugabe[the father of africa,a real african icon] owe you nothing, please don't worry about his well being rather let me worry about protecting the african icon.

Malema will be your president in your life time mark my lips mate,i don't need your permission.
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i_stub_born

Posted 257 days ago
""""""Wonder what you have for brains ?""""

.......fresh soil of course..........

nehanda1

Posted 257 days ago
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It seems only us Zimbabweans understand these miners. The rest of SA dont care about its fellow citizens. £300 is nothing. Theyy would rather let these companies continue to exploit their people. Shame indeed. And they wonder why Julius Malema is still relevant.........its because when its Black people none of you seem to care!
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mmugabe

Posted 257 days ago
Please exclude me from these SA you referring to,the problem here is government who is happy to exploit worker together with pale skinned mafia's.
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Wiseguy

Posted 257 days ago
"when its Black people none of you seem to care!".......speak for yourself nehanda....or are you speaking for Mugabe too?

We are quite capable of sorting our own problems out.....in a constructive, win-win way, without destroying the country, its economy or the lives of millions of people in the process !

We have taken note of your numerous failures in Zim over the past 20 years and will be careful not to follow your terrible, traumatic, economy-wrecking example!

Hows Bob's overseas stash doing ? Is he still making so many trips and deposits in the East.....you know for each trip he makes, the poor Zim people are just a bit poorer ?
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 257 days ago
You pay your workers in British Pounds? Why?
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mmugabe

Posted 257 days ago
RSA.MommaCyndi

Mama i am not Zimbabwean like you mna wena.

Stirrer

Posted 257 days ago
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If these miners manage to secure salary increases through this barbaric method, they will effevtively have rendered trade unions obsolete! This will be a bitter blow to firstly NUM, secondly Cosatu, thirdly the tripartite alliance, and ultimately the ANC!
It is for this reason that we will probably see the ANC government siding with the mining bosses against the miners on this issue. (Besides, I'm sure that many ANC members probably receive regular tips - also known as shares, etc - from mining bosses to keep order in their mining kingdoms!)
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 257 days ago
Considering how much money mining puts into the fiscus and how much the gravy train riders are milking from said feeding pen, it would only be logical for them to side with the mining industry.

On the other hand, if murder and mayhem are rewarded with 300% increases, the country can look forward to an awful lot of murder and mayhem.

nehanda1

Posted 257 days ago
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I see how you sort your differences. 34 killed, miners charged with crazy laws. Yap ...much better than Zim. Funny isnt it that Zim miners are paid more than SA ones. yes our Gvt has its failins but it tries to stand for the poor. Unlike your government which sides with the exploitation. Support these miners and they may bring lasting change to SA. For the better n for everyone with more jobs n better PAY!!
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Remote

Posted 257 days ago
"I see how you sort your differences....."


Gukurahundi ring a bell??



You are a hypocrite

nehanda1

Posted 257 days ago
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Wiseguy...at least we know we are poor and fighting too get rich...u kno...get rich or die trying. Unlike your pres who presides a country pretending everything is okay when in some areas u got more poverty than in Zimbabwe.....shocking.
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Wiseguy

Posted 257 days ago
nehanda......we too have poor fighting to get rich.......that is not in debate! What I object to and is suggesting Zim did things correctly.....then you are either in serious denial or in the pay of ZANU-PF/CIO!

It is possible to empower and hence enrich the poor without bringing a country to its economic knee's, or displacing millions of people, or inviting famine to ones land ! Indeed it is possible without having to enrich ones leaders obscenely......as is the case with Mugabe and many other African countries leaders.

It just takes intelligence, selflessness, caring, the political and private will and the correct motivation/implementation to uplift ones fellow countrymen/women and children......and this also requires way less greed and way way less focus on the "me, me and ME" of the leadership involved......which is a common selfish human trait, that the failed tribal governance model allows to flourish and perpetuates by the very virtue of its feudal based system!

nehanda1

Posted 257 days ago
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You miss my point entirely. SA has become soo obsessed with not being like Zim such that you do not do anything about spreading the wealth. You are running away from the truth. The reason its not possible to enrich the poor without destroying the country is because of the rich. They would never want to lose their wealth and would rather see the country go down first. Every country has been through this stage. You might fight it but its coming to your back door. Its up to the rich and powerful to make way for change....you know how that usually goes. Good luck to you guys. I think Zim is now on its road to success. You will be too soon, if you have the balls or would rather still see the poor get poorer all because you dont want too become like Zim.
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Wiseguy

Posted 257 days ago
Dear nehanda,

I have not missed your point......unless you are talking to others here? If you read of have read my posts, all of them.........they are largely, virtually all to do with making appropriate changes to enable just that(but the powers that be can then choose to listen and act or NOT....that is in the hands of those elected to serve the people and country)...before we go down the Zim road of massive, incomprehsible problems for the people and country.......and where the leaders get to make trips to the East every few weeks and large deposits of the country's wealth !!
In order for them to act appropriately, they first need to get their ideologies and priorities sorted ......read my first post today and my reply to you earlier and you will see !

"I think Zim is now on its road to success"......I agree because it is virtually impossible to get to a lower base, economically or otherwise than you were recently.......so I agree with you....you guys can only come up from here.....and almost everything relatively will be seen as succesful.......just plant enough food to feed your people going forward please !! I am sure Mugabe despises being dependant on the "Evil West" for food aid.

nehanda1

Posted 256 days ago
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Its funny that Zim at its lowest is better than most African countries. Forget planting enough food. We willl plant loads of tobacco and buy all the food we need. You did not argue on Zim miners being better paid than SA ones. I think you should open your eyes..........SA is much worse already thann Zim ever was, for Black people that is. You are so fixated with trips to the east. You got a president who rapes a girl, sleeps with his best friend`s child and to you thats all good. Like I said you guys can only see the log in Zim`s eyes but missing the logs in yours!!