Motlanthe's headache
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Deputy president Kgalema Motlanthe may have to make the crucial decision in the coming weeks on whether to challenge President Jacob Zuma for the top position in the ANC.
His name has appeared on lists discussed by both the anyone-but-Zuma and the pro-Zuma factions of the party.
A meeting of the pro-Zuma faction in Umhlanga Ridge, KwaZulu-Natal, last week discussed potential candidates for the top six party positions.
An NEC member said the six named were Jacob Zuma as party president, Kgalema Motlanthe as deputy president, Baleka Mbete as chairwoman, Gwede Mantashe as secretary-general, Jesse Duarte as deputy secretary-general and Naledi Pandor as treasurer-general.
Cyril Ramaphosa has been touted as a possible replacement for Motlanthe if the anyone-but-Zuma group convinces him to run against Zuma.
A move against Zuma could be career suicide for Motlanthe. Should he lose in Mangaung he will be out of a job in the ANC.
Though he would remain the country's deputy president, he would automatically lose this position after the national elections.
ANC members from all the provinces except the Western Cape attended the KwaZulu-Natal meeting.
The Western Cape is said to be deeply divided in its support for a Zuma second term.
An Eastern Cape representative said though leaders from Gauteng did not attend the meeting, members from the province's youth league leadership were there.
An SMS that made the rounds at the weekend had Minister of Public Service and Administration Lindiwe Sisulu, National Planning Commission Minister Trevor Manuel and Zuma's right-hand man, Ngoako Ramatlhodi, as possible candidates in the top six.
Another regional leader said there was a "compromise" line-up that would include Fikile Mbalula as deputy secretary-general, Manuel as treasurer and Sisulu as chairwoman.
As it stands, Zuma's second-bid strongholds are KwaZulu-Natal, Free State and Mpumalanga. Last week The Times reported on a meeting of the anyone-but-Zuma group at which Motlanthe emerged as a possible candidate to contest Zuma.
Prominent leaders from all over the country attended, including the leadership of the ANC Youth League.
Tokyo Sexwale will stand for deputy president against Ramaphosa if Motlanthe accepts the nomination.
Though KwaZulu-Natal is Zuma's stronghold, prominent names from the province were raised as possible top six members.
Both the pro- and anti-Zuma groups have Mantashe as secretary-general.
One provincial leader said Mantashe might emerge as kingmaker in Mangaung, depending on which side he chooses.
THE ZUMA LINE-UP
- Jacob Zuma as president
- Kgalema Motlanthe, deputy president
- Baleka Mbete, party chairman
- Gwede Mantashe, secretary-general
- Jesse Duarte, deputy secretary-general
- Naledi Pandor, treasurer-general Other options: Cyril Ramaphosa has been touted as a replacement for Motlanthe if the ABZ group persuades Motlanthe to run against Zuma
KGALEMA LINE-UP
- Kgalema Motlanthe as president
- Also likely to be in the top six:
- Fikile Mbalula
- Paul Mashatile
- Tokyo Sexwale
- Lindiwe Sisulu
- Trevor Manuel, and
- Ngoako Ramatlhodi
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Posted 250 days agom1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 250 days agoRobrt1Mugabe99
Posted 250 days ago■Kgalema Motlanthe as president
■Also likely to be in the top six:
■Fikile Mbalula
■Paul Mashatile
■Tokyo Sexwale
■Lindiwe Sisulu
■Trevor Manuel, and
■Ngoako Ramatlhodi
blahblahblahblah what a bunch of idiots only one woman in Malemas camp, paul mashatile tlitlitlitlitli Alex mafia
Makoya1zn
Darwin_Rules
And a culture that discourages it.
MicaParis
Ramatlhodi was in political dustbin and Zuma brought him back! As for Lindiwe comrades should differentiate between natural arrogance and a big name temperament (Sisulu surname) which are problems associated with Lindiwe but her and Zuma are in the same faction.
Mashatile had a problem with Zuma depriving him of Gauteng Premiership as he is the Chairperson even though he was converted into a Ministerial post still a Minister of Arts and Culture is not a better position than being a Gauteng Premier were there is lot of tenders and possible huge kick backs than in a ''very dry department'' like Arts and Culture.
Mbalula was aggrieved by the fact that Zuma made him a Deputy to Mthetwa while he was Mthetwa's senior at ANCYL and still he was not happy because he wanted Zuma to make him an SG the position which Mbalula is still immature and not mentally ready to handle (You cannot be an SG if you still chase behind ''beautiful'' school girls) Mbaluls also wanted to position himself for the so called ''The future President'' just like Malema's lusts.
Sexwale is just ambitious to be the President and think he can buy his way up through money and fame but unfortunately he failed dismally at Human Settlement as he had done nothing of essence as of sleeping in a shack one lousy night, shame on him an ANC 'senior cadre' does not behave like him! Trevor is wholly behind Zuma and his rumors are just misleading and confusing , absolute lies!
I wish Cyril Ramaphosa could be the President but unfortunately the ''reality'' is that Zuma will be elected absolutely unopposed, we will only get to 'see' Cyril but 'after' Zuma!
Robrt1Mugabe99
Posted 4 minutes ago
I wish Cyril Ramaphosa could be the President but unfortunately the ''reality'' is that Zuma will be elected absolutely unopposed, we will only get to 'see' Cyril but 'after' Zuma!
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This is a reason I support Zuma for second term, to pave way for my future Pres 2019 "Cyril", in actual fact he was supposed to be Pres after Mbeki, if Mbeki dint start all this chaos
Makoya1zn
Point of correction my comrade but Cyril was supposed to take over after Mandela but was screwed from that time. I think it's time we have people like Cyril playing a leading role in our movement to help unify our beloved ANC.
MicaParis
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That is true Comrade Mugabe, how do you know that because Mbeki kept it a serious secret!
Comrade Govan Mbeki even said it in Mafikeng Conference after Comrade Mandela stood up and say ''Comrade Mbeki (Thabo) my President'' .....that ''ANC will split under 'my son' I know him he is very selfish and arrogant''.......the old man understood his son very well and because of that, COPE was born, Govan was right and ANC nearly exploded!
Just like Malema issue, he was expelled because mine bosses and other strong business acolytes like Raymond Ackerman (Pick 'n Pay), from Anglo- American and De Beers ''instructed'' Comrade Zuma to sacrifice him or either choose between the ''total economic'' collapse or Malema, and we advised the President to choose wisely and Malema was gone!
ANC would never expel Malema but ''Real Business Elites'' (Rupert, Wiese, Motsepe, Thomas, Oppenheim, Lawal (US & Nigeria), Ackerman and Dippenaar) are the real reason why Malema is gone and unfortunately Zuma acted by majority and economic interest and...bang!...Juju was gone! Pity most of the people do not know about this secrets but they are real....very expensive news from the chambers!!
mmugabe
Posted 250 days agoPOST94
Posted 250 days agoTo me he's got nothing to lose, he's already earning a President's salary and will retire so. He must go for it but not as part of a particular factional slate. Otherwise 5 years on he'll be another embattled Zuma.
danny.archer3
Posted 250 days agoRobrt1Mugabe99
Posted 250 days agoMicaParis
Posted 250 days agoComrade Kgali is a true cadre and a compatriot who will never 'ever'' squire against Comrade Zuma in his life. The pair is indeed in the same faction that is why either of them never question or worry about each other.
In the ANC reality is that leadership contests are always about a set of interests rather than just the fortunes of an individual leader. As such Kgali will need to protect his interests by avoiding Zuma by totally not contesting him but supporting him like in 2007 as such he cannot run the risk of playing an all or nothing game that could set in motion a process that would see him lose the position of Deputy President and possible political extinction.
Unlike the ANCYL (the main cheerleaders of the anti-Zuma campaign) and other pretenders to the throne (Sexwale & Winnie), Motlanthe knows very well that going for Zuma is a recipe for disaster to kiss the ANC goodbye thereby ousting himself out of the gravy train.
While those who want Motlanthe to contest Zuma are planting carefully choreographed stories about his ”readiness” to go toe to toe with Zuma, the reality is that Motlanthe is weighing his options carefully, watching the powerful provincial elites in the party, inextricably tied to economic interests in their localities, some of whom are rallying behind him to take on Zuma but will never satisfy ‘’business elites‘’ like Sexwale and Saki Macosoma in favour of political extinction and anguish should he fail to oust Zuma which is eminent considering Zuma’s support.
Moreover Motlanthe will also have to internalise the ugly reality that it is likely that whoever replaces Zuma either in 2012 or 2017 will face the same perpetual succession dogfights, driven by the same relentless hunger for state-led largesse.
Perhaps most important, opposition to Zuma has not consolidated into a coherent faction, and comprises a swirling, confused and frequently realigning mess, still without an agreed champion.
The “anyone-but-Zuma” approach of Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale underlines this inability of the anti-Zuma camp to cohere ideologically on the one hand, and their failure to rally around an agreed slate around which lobbying can take place within the provinces.
At present any effort to unseat Zuma will have to take into account Zuma’s strength in the ANC, even if this is contested. Despite the division, Zuma has secured the numerical edge. In the biggest province (KZN) he is in pole position.
Even in contested provinces such as the Eastern Cape, Gauteng and Limpopo, he has a sizable chunk of the vote. In the Free State and Mpumalanga, he is the candidate of choice. Smaller provinces such as Northern Cape, Western Cape and North West will also be split.
While Motlanthe’s acolytes may believe contesting Zuma is doable, the deputy president is wise enough to know that gambling his political future and fortune on anything less than guaranteed victory is not only foolhardy, but could end his illustrious career in the party and the state and most important a permanent ''political extinction''.
Makoya1zn
The major blow to the ABZ will come when the nominations do actually happen because i don't see Kgali as wise as he is running against Zuma & also judging from their background of more than 40 years together.
The whole idea of ABZ campaign is just a disaste as the slogan itself says Anyone But Zuma. So in all essence even the likes of Yengeni, Manyi, Mathale, Winnie & others do stand a chance as long as it si not Zuma.
I don't see anyone with the support enough to unseat Zuma in Mangaung. Even Magashule said in his Freestate address that Zuma has dirt on most top ANC leaders from his intelligence position.
MOTLANTHE WILL NOT STAND AGAINST ZUMA & THAT IS A FACT.
MicaParis
MOTLANTHE WILL NOT STAND AGAINST ZUMA & THAT IS A FACT.'
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True Comrade Makoyaz1, One most important thing about ANC is that if the ANC ''act'' ,they always act together no matter what ever the situation, pity are those who are already out of the ''main stream'' favor but that will not haunt them ''today'' but believe you me they will never be anything of significant, most of them will end up in the back benches in Parliament and nothing less. The likes of Mashatile, Mbalula and Lamola (the small boy) must just keep quite before they are being thrown out of the country (ambassadors) or into political dustbin (back benches in Parliament) if they want any future in the ANC besides Mbalula has totally lost touch with Branches and that is very dangerous for political livelihood. They must just keep away from ''adult staff'' before they badly burn their fingers and just enjoy eating Government money and keep quite or unless they want to kiss it goodbye like Malema!
i_stub_born
Posted 250 days ago"Cadres and compatriots".......one more useless and more corrupt than the other........
My ANC..........My fission...........My vultures...........HA HA HA HA HA..........
bess
Posted 250 days agoPaul Mashatile
- R100,000 of taxpayers money spent on an office party
- implicated in the corrupt practises of the Gauteng Shared Services Centre which he set up
- implicated in the corruption and destruction of Robben Island as a national heritage site under his leadership as Deputy Minister of Arts & Culture
- part of the Alex Mafia
Baleka Mbete
- found guilty of fraudulently obtained a drivers licence
- one of the MPs found guilty in the Travelgate scandal
Lindiwe Sisulu
- consistently demonstrates her outright disrespect for Parliament by refusing to attend parliamentary oversight committees or answer their questions
Ngoako Ramathlodi
- famously said that politicians always lie
- dismissed as Premier of Mpumalanga for sexual harrassment
Kaglema Motlanthe
- girlfriend is a director of Imperial Crown Trading that tried to hijack mining rights from Kumba/Sishen (other directors included theGuptha family, Kubulese Zuma and JZ's lawyer, Michael Hulley
- Implicated in the Oil-for-Food scandal
Trevor Manuel
- Defended the Arms deal to the hilt
- Refused to consider dropping VAT on school textbooks, school uniforms and children's books.
... talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel
MicaParis
True that ....yes absolute truth..... But who said ''anybody'' is perfect? Nobody is perfect my Chief, if you can try to find a clean leader you will never have a leader because all of them have got ''blood or too much stains'' on their hands, no leader is free of dirt!
That is why God is not doing anything about lot of things because they are just ''fine'' the way they are, the World is nothing but a perpetual ''filthy'' living hell!
Even yourself Comrade Bess will never tell us how many times you cheated your partner and if you did that now tell me how many times will you accept kick backs and twist tenders if you were the President....leadership is a very tough game, ask me I know as I am already a high profile leader! Life is very...very....very ...difficult my friend and having money and power even makes it worse is nothing but a living hell......Wish to be a normal business man who can ''just eat'' and ''buy'' whatever he/she want but nothing more as ''otherwise'' you will never sleep or enjoy life and freedom until you die...Mostepe ans Zuma are not enjoying life like you might think but reality is that they are extremely suffering than you can imagine!
If people taught certain high profile people are not ''blogging'' in timelive and elsewhere.... They are too much wrong, pity people cannot read between the lines. There are certain bloggers who if they say something really happen, pay attention and watch the space, we are blogging with heavy weights around! Helen Zille might be blogging but people cannot see that as an example.....a difference is that....they never insult a living soul!
SuiGeneris
When one have NO MORALS, NO INTEGRITY, NO HONESTY....... Then just get the hell out of politics !
bess
2. am a nurse - no tenders in my job
Just a thought - saying that 'all leaders have blood on their hands' is a blanket generalisation that has no facts or statistics to back it up. Its not unlike saying All men are Rapists, or All whites are Racist, or All blacks are Criminals.
bess
If Motlanthe et al are freaked out by their leadership positions, if they can't take the heat, they must get out of the kitchen.
Good Leaders without blood on their hands - Mahatma Ghandi, Joyce Banda (newly elected in Malawi) Ellen Sirleaf Johnson, Winston Churchill, Nelson Mandela (though some would argue that), Chris Hani
Btw ... its scary to think that you are really in the upper echelons of power condisering your obviously lazy thinking which leads to blanket prejudice (all leaders have blood on their hands ... does this include you???
Am also disturbed at your poor ability to write constructive sentences and communicate well-considered, rational thoughts - do you really have the education and skills to occupy a high level job in government/politics??
SuiGeneris
No ! Clearly a fake and a troll....They are so easy to spot !
MicaParis
You will be laughed by those who have got ''knowledge and maturity''!
English have improved tremendously! Note a difference as well between media English, written academically inclined and accepted English and pure verbal and presentation English.
Most of the time when I blog I use a generally accepted English which have got all tenses and adjectives use that you might think of which in turn to a persons who does not know English will likely sound like a tongue twister because they thinks verbal English is written English, which is ''your'' main problem, sometimes I will use deep English idioms and vocabulary which makes it difficult for you because you might not easily understand and reach that level of communications.
English is all about two main folds, which are written (Academically accepted & generally accepted) and verbal (for just talking, media interviews (TV/Newspapers) or presentations) English. In South Africa academically we do not have words like ''gonna'' or ''wanna'' they are American (US) ''slang'' which is not accepted as well for their Academic reasoning.
You can also use ''ing'' as a progressive tense and or a noun in words that are not containing is, are, were and was the same thing apply to have, has and had in past and present participle tense.
Adjectives and synonyms can portray an impression that English is written wrong especially if your vocabulary and understanding are still shallow to pick up the real meaning but still if you know English you will understand at the end of the sentence that the author is indeed correct.
Written English will never sound like verbal English and most of the time a person who is used to ''writing'' verbal English will always think that correct written (academically accepted) English is wrong!
There are lot of things about English and its usage but unfortunately you may never understand those if you are good at criticizing others but very lazy to study further!
You will never understand English usage until you produces a full blown PhD thesis or unless English is your mother tongue and unfortunately you must really be born in England or you will keep on making the same mistakes like ''us'' as South African English ''born'' had since been swallowed by ''facebook and ''twitter English'' and still believe they know English but indeed are nothing more or less than ''us''!
Comrade Bess in short, ''intact'' you and SuiGeneris have got a long way to go ''if we have to talk about ''writing English''! Only RSA.Mammoc and m1si2zi3nzo4 and Mike123 (because he avoid very long sentences (another pillar of writing good English)) make sense!
Oh as for leadership, a leader is elected by the people and if they elect me why not, the reality is that Jacob Zuma became the President without even a matric as such since I have a matric for sure! I am sure I am even much better! That is reality for you not jealousy or assumptions or even media spoofs!
bess
Well spotted, Sue ... we have a troll here, albeit a very clever troll as evidenced by his/her brilliant rip-off of the English language.
Kudos to you MicaParis ... you really had me fooled.
MicaParis
It will take only heavy weight intellects to understand the ''real trolls'' in essence!
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 250 days agoSuiGeneris
Posted 250 days agoMicaParis
We do not say ''will be next president'' but in correct written English we say ''will be ''the'' next President not ''president''.....................
Let me teach you English since you are still learning! (notice present progressive tense through......... is + ing.......) on my sentence above!
The word President is a particular noun which means you can only find one State President per a country, we do not have many States President at a particular time / period per country, (that is to be precise to the issue)!
As such when we refer to particular nouns like Cows, Presidents and ''Directors'' - General/ not Director - ''Generals'' we add the prefix ''the'' in front of those nouns to clarify their particular order and those words must always start with a capital letter just like ''I'' which you must never write it in small cap as it is against the rules of good academic English writing.!
I will teach you more if I have time! I will use your own comments as an example so that you can understand even though you will never accept for obvious reasons!
Ntebaleng
Posted 250 days ago1. Motlanthe - preisdent
2.Lindiwe\Max Susulu - Deputy president
3.Jeff Radebe - SG
4.Mbalula - Deputy SG
5.Thandi Modise - Chairwoman
6.Matthews Phosa - Treasurer
This is a list that will unify the Tripatite Alliance, these are men and women who will build an ANC that is unified , these are men who can lead our movement with purpose and advance the National Democratic Revolution.This is the list that can and will never be challenged by all opposition parties. This is the list that cannot be disputed.
Makoya1zn
50% of people in ur list constitute the current top 6 of the ANC at the moment. How come are they failing to unify it now. Phosa does not deserve to be in the top 6 of the ANC be it now or the future. I respect ur point of view but it is also within mine to say Gwede mantashe is the catalyst within our movement that will help unify the ANC & without him there will be no voice of reason.
RSA.MommaCyndi
Yotywa
Posted 250 days agoRobrt1Mugabe99
Ntebaleng
Posted 250 days agoJZ has always been chaos for the ANC, from Angola to now president. When in Angola he got a lot of cadres killed, chair of KZN and MEC he got involved in dubious delas with the Shaiks, deputy president get frustrated and pregnated , paid inhlaulo for every women - get married to more women. President ANC always quelling fires, expell Malema, make ANCYL disfunctional, paralyze the ANCWL, disorganise COSAS,Zulufy the Tripatite Alliance.Make MKVA a vigilante group and lastly render the country ungovernable.
JZ has allowed the DA and FF to run the country, COSATU and its affiliates are all disfuntional.All JZ can do very well is sleep around and make more babies. Every blow of frustration by Malema JZ makes a bakes with an unfortunate women, the women he does not even respect.Just listen to JZ talk women issues and you can see how low he rates women.
Makoya1zn
You wrote: Very disappointed in the SACP and YCL, they have become praise singers. SACP says JZ has made labour to relate well with the ANC but what did that yield for the workers.
But remember my fellow comrade that when Zuma took over the counrty we were still recovering from global recession & then there was a Euro crisis. I think JZ has done more than he is given credit for when it comes to labour.
You wrote: JZ has always been chaos for the ANC, from Angola to now president. When in Angola he got a lot of cadres killed, chair of KZN and MEC he got involved in dubious delas with the Shaiks, deputy president get frustrated and pregnated , paid inhlaulo for every women - get married to more women. President ANC always quelling fires, expell Malema, make ANCYL disfunctional, paralyze the ANCWL, disorganise COSAS,Zulufy the Tripatite Alliance.Make MKVA a vigilante group and lastly render the country ungovernable.
I think the sooner people distinguish between JZ's personal life & the work he does then they will realise that he does more than he is given credit for.
As for Shaik, i think even judge Squirres said it "There was a corrupt relationship between Shaik & JZ but not on JZ part" do people need translation to this.
You wrote: JZ has allowed the DA and FF to run the country, COSATU and its affiliates are all disfuntional.All JZ can do very well is sleep around and make more babies. Every blow of frustration by Malema JZ makes a bakes with an unfortunate women, the women he does not even respect.Just listen to JZ talk women issues and you can see how low he rates women.
I don't see how he has allowed DA & FF to run the country except hearing it from u. I wonder where u got your info from coz where i'm sitting the ANC is the ruling party & will do so for a long time to come. Well he does sleep with his wives & that is within his culture but i don't think u as a PEDI will understand.
My ANC My Vision My Future
Robrt1Mugabe99
JZ was operating in Swaziland, Moz and Angola, when they realised Swaziland was infiltrated by SADF/CCBs they moved back to Angola , in those countries he was a Chief Intelligent Officer. Im telling you from experience as a man from Monguzi,Jozini,KosiBay areas nearer to Swaziland and Moz where things were happening day in /out, battle ground, there is no sound of grenade , gun I dont know.
Coming back to your point , IFP warriors , Nofomelas , Hlongwanes etc who were employed by CCBs to spy MKs killed hundreds of MKs after training on their way to SA , after JZ was appointed as CIO the death of MKs rate was low, why he was operating in SA underground and Angola, all the spies were captured and killed under JZs mandate.
Thats the reason Zuma is most feared by Buthelezi and Afrikaners , they called him cannibal, Thabo Mbeki tried the strategy to sell him out to Afrikaner community in order to believe that JZ is anti whites , unfortunately it did nt work.
Mutswana wo modimo ke a ku kgupa stay away from this you know nothing, fortunately I know what happened the death of Mxenge and dumping of his body at Jozini I was there. I know what was happening at Mahamba gate,Piet Retief,Ermelo, Bethaal, no go zone for MKs, whenever MKs were deployed SADF/SAP were already waiting , who told them nobody knew, dont make me angry with your shyte
Ntebaleng
Posted 250 days agoJZ has always been chaos for the ANC, from Angola to now president. When in Angola he got a lot of cadres killed, chair of KZN and MEC he got involved in dubious delas with the Shaiks, deputy president get frustrated and pregnated , paid inhlaulo for every women - get married to more women. President ANC always quelling fires, expell Malema, make ANCYL disfunctional, paralyze the ANCWL, disorganise COSAS,Zulufy the Tripatite Alliance.Make MKVA a vigilante group and lastly render the country ungovernable.
JZ has allowed the DA and FF to run the country, COSATU and its affiliates are all disfuntional.All JZ can do very well is sleep around and make more babies. Every blow of frustration by Malema JZ makes a baby with an unfortunate women, the women he does not even respect.Just listen to JZ talk women issues and you can see how low he rates women.
Ntebaleng
Posted 250 days agoI like your picture, Yeh Cher that was a non comptomising leader and my hero.the 50% you talk about have kept some sanity in the Alliance, all the need is support especially from the President,SG and Chair.please check carefully the people i excluded and tell me what you think.
I excluded the 3 because they are the ones who must lead and they failed to lead, instead they introduced violent factions same way JZ introduceed these faction in ANGOLA
Makoya1zn
Ntebaleng
Posted 250 days agoIt is exactly then that he got our cadres kill each other when he was in intelligence. You are a real product of JZ, a tribalist just listen to yourself.
Robrt1Mugabe99
Mgwijikhwebu
Posted 250 days agoYour anger blurrs your judgement. Hence your "analysis" has little meaning and largely firing from all cylinders with little substance. Are you an ANCYL or Malema supporter?
Makoya1zn
1. Nationalisation
2. Revolution
He walks around wanting to Nationalise & Revolutionise everything, i don't even thinks he knows what they mean. I guess the same attributes applies to his supporters.
Ntebaleng
Ntebaleng
Posted 250 days agoThere is no collective when you have dogmatic Stalinists like JZ,Mbethe and Mantashe. Come on get to grip the 3 are power mongers and distructive to the National Democratic Revolution.Come Mangaung the ANC should rid itself of the 3 and our movement will be alive again. The sooner the 3 are gone Cosas, ANCWL,ANCYL,YCL ,SACP , COSATU and SANCO will make the correct sound bites. Sound bites of revolutionaries
Makoya1zn
i_stub_born
Posted 250 days agoMy ANC............My fission............My vultures................HA HA HA HA ..........
buddi
Posted 250 days agoCharley4sure
Posted 250 days agobunch of tribalist, black elite benefiting from the oblivious leadership.
It is very disgusting to read comments from the likes of Mica Paris,
Robrt1Mugabe99, Makoyalzn, Mgwijikhwebu. Some people
must come to their sense and be sober for the sake of the
country.
Ntebaleng
Robrt1Mugabe99
We know why Zuma was pushed to be Pres and we know why we play Zumas card in Mongaung , you will be shocked that we are doing it for your interests , but for being confused what we are doing stay like that, but we know someday all SAfricans will joy
m1si2zi3nzo4
Motlanthe knows how to play this game, and has done so very well by just keeping quiet, and let Zuma huff-and-puff in his blunders. His difficulty he does not know what he is campaigning against, and therefore cannot formulate any strategy. All Kgalema has done was to wait for the right moment, and all comrades will show their hand as soon as they see their future clearly. And this cannot be in a confused and dying dodo.
MicaParis
I respect your comment my Chief in terms of the spirit and purport of the RSA Constitution (ACT 108 ).
But however learn to ''play the ball not an individual'' you will get lot of things correct.
If you really understand South African politics and most importantly, ANC Politics, you would by now know who is going to win in Mangaung!
ANC Branches will be voting in Mangaung were Zuma will be elected unopossed for varoius political reasons, some reasons are very fragile to explain but that is a ''reality'' that me, you and other bloggers cannot do nothing about.
Alternatively if ordinary South Africans like you and other bloggers were going to vote for the President, may be not even Motlanthe or Zuma will form the Prelimenary List'', personally I do not like Zuma to be the Pressident because of his literacy level but he have advisers to fill that gap and I have accepted the situation and decided to go with the ''flow'' as reality suggested in Polokwane by standing against me.
Makoya1zn
Biggest
Posted 250 days agoMakoya1zn
Posted 250 days agoLeave these people it is a matter of the blind leading the blind as far as they are concerned Napoleone once said "politics have no relation to morals" how true this is unfortunately other people don't get it. They need someone like Jesus to lead but where would they find hom/her? i helen Zille?.
These are the same people who find problem with all african elected leaders e.g Edi Amin, Fidel Castro, Robert Mugabe, Goodluck Jonathan, Joseph Kabila and others. Why would JZ be an exception to them.
But to all of u i say deal with it because come mangaung JZ will still be president don't be shocked if he is un-opposed.
Makoya1zn
Biggest
Posted 250 days agoThe ANC must provide us with capable and caring leadership or else hand over the country to the next party in line.
i_stub_born
Posted 250 days agoHow can they expect the ANC to provide "caring and capable leadership" when there is no morals nor ethics nor responsibility in ANY of them..........