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Tue May 21 19:02:49 SAST 2013

Zuma feels the heat as Mangaung nears

AMUKELANI CHAUKE | 11 September, 2012 00:14
President Jacob Zuma. File photo.
Image by: LAUREN MULLIGAN

Mounting disapproval of his leadership yesterday forced President Jacob Zuma to defend himself, saying he could no longer sit back and allow his critics to exaggerate the weaknesses of his government.

Zuma - who has been under siege because of his style of leadership of the ANC and of the government - yesterday deviated from a prepared speech to lash out at commentators whom, he said, continued to say that the government had not done enough to improve service delivery after 18 years of democracy.

Opening the SA Local Government Association's special national conference, in Midrand , Zuma said critics should, when denouncing his administration, balance their views with the progress the government had made.

"I know that we in government, because we know we have a very big responsibility, we are very timid, we are very shy to tell what is happening.

"And we then create a space that those who are critical, they look like they are telling the truth that nothing has happened.

"I hear every day all these clever people are saying that nothing has happened in this country. Nothing; no delivery, nothing. For criticism to be respected, it must be balanced, it must be objective. It cannot be one-sided," he said.

His defensive flare-up was the second in recent months.

In May, he gave his detractors a piece of his mind when he spoke at the congress of the National Union of Mineworkers, at which he said: "I know what I'm doing. I didn't get here by mistake. And that is why I am not going to be diplomatic on matters of revolutionary principles. There is no diplomacy required."

His outburst came on the same day that one of his ministers, Paul Mashatile, called for "radical change" in the ANC's leadership .

Speaking at the ANC Youth League's 68th anniversary celebrations, in Johannesburg, Mashatile said: "We must renew our leadership and make sure when we elect leaders in Mangaung . that we bring in the new generation of leaders."

Zuma told councillors and municipal leaders that people judged the government's performance by their first-hand experience of municipalities.

He said some critics often took advantage of his humble nature and sensationalised their critique on the government.

"The criticisms are as if nothing has been done, and it is unfair to the government.

"All I am calling for is balanced reporting about the progress we have made. That's all."

A report released by auditor-general Terence Nombembe in July paints a grim picture of South Africa's municipalities.

The damning report found, among other things, that 70% of all audited municipalities had incompetent officials and that most used outside consultants to balance their books despite municipal employees being paid to do the job.

Nombembe said that politicians seldom took his recommendations seriously, and that political leaders and officials were not held accountable for poor performance.

On the day the report was released, Minister in The Presidency Collins Chabane said it was time to evaluate the link between service-delivery protests and badly managed municipalities.

According to media reports, the latest research by Municipal IQ has found that service-delivery protests are on the increase, with 113 reported in the first quarter of this year alone.

Zuma's leadership style has come under severe criticism both from opposition parties and faceless ANC leaders.

ANC leaders have questioned his fitness to lead the party for a second-term based on back-to-back crises under his watch.

There is now an "Anyone But Zuma" (ABZ) campaign led by ANC members determined to oust him at Mangaung.

Among the issues that have embarrassed the party is his reluctance to suspend or sack Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga for of her department's failure to deliver textbooks to schools in Limpopo and other provinces for over six months - a crisis that has led to multiple investigations and lawsuits.

In May, Zuma was grilled by MPs about his failure to intervene in the suspension saga of the former police crime intelligence boss, Richard Mdluli.

He has also faced censure for a number of controversial appointments he has made, including that of Menzi Simelane as head of the National Prosecuting Authority.

Simelane's appointment has been overturned by the Supreme Court of Appeal.

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AfricaRevolt2011

Posted 252 days ago
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President Zuma, the ANC is limping from one crisis to another under your watch, and to suggest that service delivery is exceptional in this country is indicative of the fact that you have lost touch with reality and the mandate to lead the ANC. Don't confuse service delivery in his country with what is happening in Zumaville or Nkandla. The ANC and its structures are more fragmented and disillusioned like never before and even Cosatu is starting to pay the prize for blindly following and defending your incompetence. Municipalities have disintegrated and provincial governments have collapsed, and not even your office can give unqualified reports about how they spending tax payers’ money. Your political ambitions continue to dictate our national agenda. The health department in the EC and many in other provinces have collapsed but you are reluctant to intervene in case you loose their support for Manaung. The only service delivery you might be referring to must be the enrichment of the few close to your course at the cost of the poor. Your handling of the Marikana tragedy is an indictment on your legacy and you conveniently deferred the problem by appointing a commission of enquiry to activate the sub-judice rule to absolve those close to you to account to this nation. It is time history be kind to you and you are ousted in Mangaung for the sake of the ANC, this country and its people
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SecretVoice

Posted 252 days ago
Perfect summary of Jacob Zumas Presidency. History will show that his tenure as President caused more harm to South Africa than any President before him.
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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
,,,,,,,Not to worry!!..........It is a fact the cadres (who can read) and ANC voters (who can not read) never read History and never learn anything from it either............

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 252 days ago
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I actually believe that this is what Zuma thinks is reality. He isn't even in the country enough to know what is going on and his ministers simply lie through their teeth in their reports to him. Why else would he always be 'shocked' when he has reality pushed into his face?

The slippery slope was started by Mbeki and Zuma has thrown grease on the tracks. Unless we get some form of accountability in all the spheres of government, we are headed for freefall.
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SecretVoice

Posted 252 days ago
Enjoy the fall. I hope you have a parraschute.
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Stirrer

Posted 252 days ago
Easy now, MommaCyndi - lay off Africa's greatest statesman already!
;(

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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 252 days ago
Africa's greatest statesman ?
You mean the best Minister of Foreign Affairs we ever had?
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Patsekg

Posted 252 days ago
I agree with your analysis of Zuma's leadership. Unlike others who try to blame everything on him while failing to point fingers at the ministers and premieres responsible. I personally understand that as a leader, Zuma must shoulder the blame, but we must be very careful in our analysis as it seems there are some premieres and ministers who are not doing their work properly just to subotage or make his leadership look bad. If Castle Mathale has presided over the collapse of Limpopo's budget, what does that has to do with Zuma's leadership? I don't hear people calling for Mathale's resignation but everyone is calling for Zuma's head. We forget that the same Mathale will be around after Zuma is gone and the looting will continue, which tells me that Zuma cannot shoulder all the blame alone, he has appointed people to do the job but they are failing him. Though i must agree some of Zuma's appointments were so dissapointing, something which has led to him being criticised and rightfully so.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 252 days ago
Patsekg

One of the first things one learns in business is that you delegate authority but you can never delegate accountability. That is why people in business are VERY careful about who they employ.

If you employ a Grade9 dropout to do your tax returns, you can hardly blame them if SARS comes to arrest you. Same thing with ministers, premiers and local MECs.
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BrianKemp

Posted 252 days ago
I think you might be a little late for the parachute. Freefall is already in place.

SuiGeneris

Posted 252 days ago
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Enlightened thinking !

Next president = Anyone but zuma !
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SuiGeneris

Posted 252 days ago
This was meant for AfricaRevolt.

i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
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"""""I know that we in government, because we know we have a very big responsibility, we are very timid, we are very shy to tell what is happening."""""""

......Not because he is in Spain, the Spaniards won't notice the spear on top of his shoulders without supporting balls to complete his personality...............
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 252 days ago
I like the part about 'shy'. Compared to the energetic passions and generous sentiments he aroused when singing "Umshiniwam" after he got the highest post, this differs significantly.

SecretVoice

Posted 252 days ago
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The picture actually says it all.

Stirrer

Posted 252 days ago
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Cool picture - right up there with that one of the sober judge!

Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
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You may not realise it now for the future greater good of SA JZ must get the 2nd term. We cannot any longer have people selling our movemet for their benefit. It all started with the Mbeki ousting, now JZ who says whoever comes after him will not suffer the same fate of factionalism by these power mongers(Phosa, Malema, Tokyo & the rest).

If JZ get the 2nd term which i fully believe he will then these power mongers will realise that our movement is not for sale & this may lead to an end of this new sick factional tendencies within our movement. People tend to under estimate JZ & that is often their downfall, Mbeki can attest to that. As JZ often says i quote "The ANC is like an elephant it does not react quickly but when it does, it crushes you".

Come Mangaung JZ will still be the president of the ANC & soon after that the ANC will take shape coz all these people who conspired to have him elected in 2009 & turned against him now will be gotten rid of. Only then we will begin to see the ANC finally getting back to its best & serving its people. We will have the likes of Motlanthe, Ramaphosa, Mantashe, Manuel etc playing a major role in re-uniting the ANC.

Under estimate JZ at you own peril.

I thank you
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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
......HA HA HA HA........

What "greater good for SA" ........to endure the same bunch of corrupt and fraudster politicians versus another bunch of corrupt and fraudster politicians...............

...and to agree and to accept them with glee means "to be clever" too..........ha ha ha ha......
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@i_stub_born

Fortunately we members of the movement will decide & u will have no choice but to deal with it.
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SuiGeneris

Posted 252 days ago
makoya

''''''Fortunately we members of the movement will decide & u will have no choice but to deal with it.''''''''

The unfortunate part is that the the people of SA will be the losers in all of this.

The fortunate part is that your self-destruction is evident in every move that you make.

Karma is very patient !
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Robrt1Mugabe99

Posted 252 days ago
Well said my com , its good to see that there are ppl in the movement who can analyse the current situation of the movement at greater scope.

Some ppl are in the movement to enrich themselves , with no regard of the movement as long as they solicit tenders for themselves nothing more, where on earth have you seen a person being fired for wrong doing coming back to oust the Pres , does it mean he is the only person born for a specific position throughout this big movement and is untouchable.

I support JZ to clamp down his authority and I m quiet convince JZ will not let the ANc out to scavangers/hyaenas like Malemas,Mashatiles,Cele,Yengeni etc that I m quiet certain Zuma will nt do that to sell the ANC. Zuma was endorsed by Madiba to be watchdog of the ANC , I put my finger crossed never never that happened JZ will hand over the movement to Cyril Ramaphosa as responsible person who was supposed to take over from Mandela.
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@Robrt1Mugabe99

Yes my comrade, it is sad that people out of our movement are quick to comment & criticise without knowing the history & the mandate of our movement. When i say JZ must retain his prsidency for the greater good they are quick to criticise not knowing what i mean about this. But i guess u can neva understand how the ANC works when u are not in the movement itself.

You must also remember that the same people who criticise on this blog are not ANC member so their criticism is not constructive as they would like to see the demise of our movement. Trust me these people are clever & that is why they want JZ removed because things will get even worse if he is removed & they are counting on that to gain votes for their respective minority parties eg DA, FF+ etc & all these other useless excuse for political parties.
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ZENETH

Posted 252 days ago
Well said Comrade Makoya. President Zuma is not the best leader we've had. But the only way to deal with these powermongers is to retain him as ANC President for another term. The Polokwane revolution was the first step and it was achieved by a fractured coalition with one aim: to remove Comrade Mbeki and his cohorts. Now it's time to cleanse the ANC of the parasitic remnants once and for all.

But to achieve that Comrade Zuma really needs to up his game particularly in the public's eyes. Otherwise we'll have to re-introduce the two centres of power: Zuma leading and building the ANC from the Luthuli house while someone more capable runs the country as RSA President. This arrangement works well in India and China.

So the ABZ may be right as far as the country is concerned. But we dont need the divisive Tokyos and Phosas running our ANC.
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Robrt1Mugabe99

Posted 252 days ago
@ZENETH
Posted 6 minutes ago



Another brilliant idea "Anything But Kgalema" (ABK) with cyril ramaphosa we have trust
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Patsekg

Posted 252 days ago
Makoya1zn, your comment is one of the best comments I have ever read in a long time. I waited so long to see if there's anyone out there who really understand and see things the way i see them and finally you came with this comment. One thing that a lot of people out there fail to understand is that the problems that the ANC is facing today are caused by those that want to seize it from Zuma for their own personal gain. I still refuse to believe that Zuma is a weak leader, though his personal life has done more damage to his presidency, the man has tried everything in his power to unite the ANC. The biggest mistake that Zuma did when he took power from Mbeki was to bring back to life those who were dead politically during Mbeki's tenure as president. Mbeki did not sideline these comrades out of hatred, he knew that they will work against him instead of giving him support in order to build a united ANC. Now these people are holding secret meetings to oust Zuma so that they can take over. Zuma's leadership style is good, the only thing he needs is to work with people like Trevor Manuel and Pravin Gordan, people who are not there to fight for positions, people who will never stab him at the back but who will work to serve the nation. Mbeki managed to lead South Africa successfully because he worked with people he could trust, and managed to sideline those he did not trust. That's why he led South Africa comfortably without any problems. He did not have to deal with traitors from inside, while Zuma is dealing with opposition from inside his own organisation. These are the people who think he owes them for the support they gave him during his troubles with the law, and they feel he should repay their support. If you can pay a very close attention to the things he is blamed for, you will realise that there are people who should be carying the blame for those things and not Zuma. eig, Castle Mathale should carry the blame for the collapse of Limpopo's budget, but people call for Zuma's head, why?
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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
"""""""Fortunately we members of the movement will decide & u will have no choice but to deal with it."""""

.......That sums up the ANC hypocrisy when they refer to the "mandate that was given by the (gullible) people to them"...........
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Robrt1Mugabe99

Posted 252 days ago
@Patsekg
Posted 16 minutes ago

"..........Mbeki managed to lead South Africa successfully because he worked with people he could trust, and managed to sideline those he did not trust. That's why he led South Africa comfortably without any problems................"
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geees which part of the world you come from, damnit, what is this:

1) crisis what crisis
2) garlic and beetroot
3) wife and husband in the same cabinet( Nqakulas)
4) appointing Min who are nt known who was this lady of Agriculture
5) crime where is crime " people can whinge and whinge and until they leave"
6) Power shedding by eskom
7) ngconde balforu with Bosasa scandals


tjoooo
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@Patsekg

Thank you comrade, When Moses freed people of Israel from Egypt they turned against him & surely this was to be expected to happen in the ANC as well, that is just pure human nature. But if people want to criticise they must have valid points to argue so that we can engage them.


On this blog i have been insulted by people like secrete voice, mike, I sturborn etc just because i hold a different view to them. We cannot all think/feel the same way coz if that happens it means someone is lazy to think. The ANC is my religion & nobody will separate us. I do not support an individual but the organisation as a whole. I support them for what they have done, for what they are doing & for what they will do in future. SA is one of the best countries in the world & world cup soccer fans who came to SA can attest to that. So i ask why is SA made to look like such a bad country?

Our budget speech allocation transparency is said to be the best in the world. So i ask what is so bad about SA?. Our elections are said to be the best in the world, so i ask, what is so bad about SA?. We have freedom of expression which i'm currently exercising now. So i ask what is so bad about SA?.

I know we as human beings are all selfish by nature thus we tend to focus more on what we DON"T have rather than what we have. Until such time you learn to appreciate the good that SA has to offer you will forever be angry & bitter.

My ANC My Religion My Home
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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
"""""".......On this blog i have been insulted by people like secrete voice, mike, I sturborn etc just because i hold a different view to them."""""

..........wrong boetie!.........nobody is insulting you.....you are a self-made man............
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staren

Posted 252 days ago
Guys, i hate to break it to you, but no one actually cares about "deeper understandings" of the movement, or the dynamics, history and intricacies of the ANC - the average tax payer cares about delivery and performance, and under Zuma's guidance, I'm afraid it has failed dismally.

All we hear is talk, talk, talk, and more talk but see virtually no action. Honestly guys, people are sick of hearing about theories, plans of action, divisions, factions, transitions, and the rest of the flowery revolutionary rhetoric that you and the ANC are so fond of - they want action, delivery and performance.

Really the difference between theory and practise is practise, and the ANC has a long way to go to bridge that gap.

So please, if you are going to give them your vote, before patting yourselves on the back for having a deeper understanding of the movement, please at the very least, make them actually work and deliver something for it...
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@staren

I guess u cannot see what u don't want to see. But from what i see a lot has been done.

Giving shelter to over ten million people. Six million
households have gained access to clean water since 1994 and
electricity has been connected to nearly five million homes.
- In 1994, only 62% of households had access to clean drinking water – today 93% do.
- In 1994, only 50% of households had access to decent
sanitation – today 77% do. Municipalities have gone a long
way towards eradicating the bucket toilet system in formal
settlements.
- In 1994, only 36% of South Africans had access to electricity
– today 84% do.
- Today the majority of our people are provided free basic
water and electricity.
- Student loans are being converted into bursaries for successful final-year students who qualif 4 fanancial aid
- Students in further education and training colleges who qualify for financial aid are now exempted from paying fees.
- In addition to meeting basic needs like water, electricity and
housing, the programme has built and revitalised many clinics, hospitals, and schools. It has brought more tarred roads, streetlights and sporting and recreational facilities in
many communities.


I guess in you eyes this nothing or u just choose to be ignorant.


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staren

Posted 252 days ago
M
akoya1zn
Sure, I'll grant you that the majority of South Africans are probably in a better place than what they were 20 years, however achieving some of the basics of what Government is EXPECTED to do is not an accomplishment. Its like saying we came second in the race, but meanwhile it was only a 2-horse race.

There are still HUGE inequalities in this country, with the majority of the population living below the breadline, and the fact that we STILL have schoolchildren learning under trees 18 years in, is a huge indictment in itself.

And no, apartheid and Verwoed is not a valid excuse - the Israeli's for example, had full nuclear and military capability less than 20 years after the worst genocide the world has ever seen, which in itself just goes to prove the value of national priorities - something that we at the moment appear to be dismally short of.

Really, if the ANC govt spent a quarter of the amount of time on actual administration that it spends on petty politicking and self-enrichment, and actually deployed competent, qualified, and ETHICAL people, we would and COULD be in a much better place than where we are now...

politicalagent

Posted 252 days ago
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it was first Mbheki now its Zuma. I wonder who's next.. cause i know he will go through the same thing..... thats your politics for you

Mike123

Posted 252 days ago
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Over five years ago, smart South Africans said that having Zuma for president was a bad idea. Five years later the cadres are starting to wake up. Perhaps in future you idiots would do well to listen.

SuiGeneris

Posted 252 days ago
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''''''''because we know we have a very big responsibility, we are very timid, we are very shy to tell what is happening.'''''''

Timid = Lacking in self-assurance, courage and bravery.

Which means that you and all of your ministers are not fit for the job. Get out and take up knitting classes. It might suit you much better !

artemo2

Posted 252 days ago
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Malema for president!
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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
...HA HA HA HA ...............the litchi on top !!.......
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SuiGeneris

Posted 252 days ago
Shame, you must be on a slow and painful suicide mission.

WhatTheHack

Posted 252 days ago
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@Robrt1Mugabe99 and Makoya.

What has Zuma Done since becoming president?
What has Zuma Done since becoming president?
What has Zuma Done since becoming president?
What has Zuma Done since becoming president?
Just name one thing that stands out. I personally do not think any person who does not understand the basics of economics can/must lead our movement
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Robrt1Mugabe99

Posted 252 days ago
What has Zuma Done since becoming president? - clarified the issue of garlick and beetroot

What has Zuma Done since becoming president? - crime was reduced

What has Zuma Done since becoming president? - fired corrupt power mongers who today turn against him the likes of cele,Malema, Shiceka, etc

What has Zuma Done since becoming president? - secured Nkosazana position in AU, forge relations with Bricks

Just name one thing that stands out. I personally do not think any person who does not understand the basics of economics can/must lead our movement- blutty ignorant,silly,stupid fool, the Infrastracture Dev for SADEC region is on the card which will create huge job opportunities and improve the GDP of the SADEC region with Middle East and China wena stupid, secured loan with IMF for medupi power station, $2b loaned to Greece as form of investment and securing jobs in the fabric industry, SKA , Zumaville I know with this will rant like mad dog

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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
HA HA HA HA ........

What has Zuma Done since becoming president? - clarified the issue of garlick and beetroot...........and replaced with a shower to prevent HIV.......

What has Zuma Done since becoming president? - crime was reduced ...........and replaced with the "involuntary exchange of your money and goods for a bullet" and the fraudulent deals of police commissioners with unscrupulous businessmen........

What has Zuma Done since becoming president? - fired corrupt power mongers who today turn against him the likes of cele,Malema, Shiceka, etc ..............and replaced them with rewarded with "redeployment" to other bug buck posts equally corrupt cadres, but loyal to Zuma.........

What has Zuma Done since becoming president? - secured Nkosazana position in AU, forge relations with Bricks..........now there is a woman in charge of the Exclusive Medal-Exchange Club for African 'Leathers' .............the only "Bricks" I know are the ones inside the heads of the gullible ANC voters..........
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SuiGeneris

Posted 252 days ago
''''''What has Zuma Done since becoming president?''''''

Nothing of significance !

He himself said that he is timid ! Which boils down to being indecisive !
He is incapable of making his own decisions and that is why he always have to appoint a commission of inquiry to establish who farted too loud !

The most significant thing he did was to sue Daryl Peense for his accidental spilling of his drink on zuma.

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 252 days ago
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I first suspected senile dementia, but now I would add schizophrenia. Descriptions are plenty, but there are few, if any, that can accurately fit a man who can use taxpayers' money to turn a village into a 'city'. Have his communist advisors deserted him already?

MzukisiMhlifili

Posted 252 days ago
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JZ's leadership have failed this country but empowered Nkandla township(Capital of KZN). The oust is not a personal attack but a business attack that will provide endurable benefit to the poor citizens of this country. I cant wait to see his face after Mangaung
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Mgwijikhwebu

Posted 252 days ago
@Mzukisi,
Don't worry, he is coming to your province soon to build you and your people your own version of Los Angeles or London.

By the way, have you forgotten that Zuma has prioritised rural development as one of the 5 key areas for SA government to focus on during his reign? Isn't KZN one of the country's most rural provinces together with Limpopo and EC? By the way, PMB is the capital of KZN in case you didn't know. Stop feeding us with ANCYL language and thinking here. Stop being jealous, your time will come.

Nkwenkwe...

Mgwijikhwebu

Posted 252 days ago
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To all Zuma detractors, haters and self-appointed critics, he will always be incapable of doing any good and achieving anything of substance for the greater good of the SA society.
Hence, it is of no use and waste of time and energy for anyone to even try engage these hollier-than-thou crowd of howlers.

For those who care to listen: All that Zuma was saying, in simple laymen terms, is that the ANC run government has done a lot for SA citizens since assuming power in 1994. He even "advised" these expert arm chair critics to judge ANC's performance over the 18 year period against the achievements by African governments being led by other liberation movemnets in the continent.

Yes corruption has dented ANC's image, but that still does not take away its achievements: Economic growth, Black Economic Empowerment (not referring to equity ownership deals awarded to the politically connected few), RDP and peaceful transition to name a few.

Zuma has achieved a lot. No need for detailed explanation on that fact. Evidence is there for those who care to take notice.

Most of these detractors are the same howlers and cry babies who will be shouting at the next ANC president (assuming JZ is booted out) immediately after the 2014 elections. In their eyes, the ANC has not done anything good and positive in SA. In their eyes, the ANC has only achieved to implement reverse discrimination (AA), escalate levels of corruption, worsen the health care system, etc.
Honestly who cabn take these "angels" seriously. Zuma and the ANC are here to stay.

Viva Jacob Zuma Viva!!! Viva Second Term Viva!!!
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 252 days ago
I doubt if anyone would concern himself with "detracting, hating" or even liking a fast-approaching octogenarian, he knows a rat's tush about. But we are damn sure when an uneducated and aged man messes our lives, and lies about his mess. He would have been the last person to ask, given a right to run our politics. But he was foisted upon us by people who largely pay for his upkeep, and that's where we come in. Remove him from our public space, or excuse us from paying for his mess, then you will never hear from us. We may even love him, as a grandfather, who knows? But he would have to "detract" from our lives, first.

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 252 days ago
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"damn sure to be"

Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
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Yes Zuma is no angel just like the rest of us. His GOv has its flaws just like the democrats in USA & the conservatives in UK. But to say he has done nothing for SA is just being plain ignorant, childish, stupid & lying.
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Darwin_Rules

Posted 252 days ago
Maybe he is the devil you alluded to earlier in this discussion. By the way, do you believe everything you read in books?
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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
.....where in other countries that is the exception, here in South Africa, it has become the rule..........
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jamesnaker

Posted 252 days ago
Absolutely right! To say Zuma has done nothing for SA is incorrect.
The ANC has done absolutely nothing for SA except *&%^% it up!

This has nothing to do with Zuma, he is a product of the ANC who believe it is their right to loot the state coffers and who will never be able to take this country forward. This they have shown over the past 18 years.

At least in the US and UK things still work in spite of the politicians because people have the intellect to vote differently for the right reasons. In SA the masses (such as yourself) are too uneducated and so they will vote ANC over and over and over to keep the 'ancestors happy' and 'Madiba in good health'. Then the masses protest when things do not improve. You cannot expect different results if you keep doing the same thing.

Stirrer

Posted 252 days ago
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The transformation of the ANC from a leading liberation movement to a failed political party was remarkably swift. Having proudly voted for them in the first democratic elections, and giving them the benefit of the doubt by again voting for them in the second, I reluctantly had to reconsider in the third elections.
Others are still giving them the benefit of the doubt, even as we approach the fifth elections. It just takes longer for some to see the light - but I guess we have to live with it!
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staren

Posted 252 days ago
The sane voice of reason...
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mmugabe

Posted 252 days ago
You are one of those who voted murderer[Mandela] in high office,shame on you muffin. How can i trust you people of South Africa ? Where were you when our relatives killed in Transkei because they disagree with ANC in the 90's not to forget the massacre from Gatsha towards my people.

mmugabe

Posted 252 days ago
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Well done to the photograph who took the picture,this exactly how gedleyikekisa zuma look like when he is faced with critics. The fragile president[zuma] must tell the nation why must we lie and say everything is hankey dorry in our soil. Under administration there is more service delivery than ever before,police are killing citizen with no fear E.G. Thathane was killed in public by the police and again 34 miner workers were brutaly killed by the police and not even single police man is arrested. etc the list is endless under this zuma character.

WhatTheHack

Posted 252 days ago
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Robrt1Mugabe99 no one in their right mind thinks Zuma is fit to run this country. He can run you and everyone illiterate in KZN as for the rest of us ABZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Robrt2Mugabe99

Posted 252 days ago
when he was fighting aprtheid where was your father, why didnt tell him no you dont want his contributions
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Darwin_Rules

Posted 252 days ago
Building a better future, like generations before him.

Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
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@jamesnaker

LOL, why such hostility Sir? Careful not to let your face turn pink, i know your kind. Also be careful of those sugar levels, they are not good for u as a diabetic .

For u to say i'm uneducated just makes me laugh. Do u have to be pink to be considered educated?. You & your Boeremag crew come on this blog with your apartheid tendencies & expect us to lie down & take ur sh#t.

Everyday on this blog i disagree/engage with people like Mommacyndi, m1si2zi3nzo4, SuiGeneris & others who atleast engage me on an intellectual level which u fail dismally to do. But then again one needs a brain to be able to engage intellectually & for that i'm sorry for u.

But maybe i'm quick to judge u without understanding your background. Were u abused/molested as a child?. I'm just trying to understand where your hostility or bitterness comes from. Is it a hereditary desease u were born with?. Are u a cross dresser? Do u like other men?

Sort out your pathetic excuse of a life & tell me when u are ready to engage with me.

I Thank you SIR.
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WhatTheHack

Posted 252 days ago
lol pink face
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WhatTheHack

Posted 252 days ago
lmao
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Darwin_Rules

Posted 252 days ago
@Makoya1zn

Now that is a really intellectual reply. Didn't Matthew write

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
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Darwin_Rules

Posted 252 days ago
Or was that some other book you were quoting when you told the Moses story earlier
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 252 days ago
I may have missed these 'fights' you mention. But I don't remember, nor am I interested in, "fighting" with anyone. I am sorry to have 'engaged' you in a fight, without knowing you. I don't remember reading your comment before, except today. I would like to read all views expressed by everyone, but time does not allow me. But, as I have stated before, such views are those that are independent of political or economic leaders. I know various authorities to consult when I need empirical facts about anything. Similarly, I engage people who add value to my intellect, directly. In this forum I need difference, not 'fights', and these must contribute to my growth, not propagate other people's views. Agreements assuage one's feelings, but contribute nothing to personal growth. O-elethu abakhi lutho.

I hope you will lay down your arms, and add individual and original views to the forum. You will not find me wanting in reading your points, but proxy views.
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@m1si2zi3nzo4

Read carefully this is what i said in my previous comment & it was not directed at u.

THIS IS WHAT I WROTE PLS READ AGAIN SLOWLY & CAREFULLY THIS TIME

Everyday on this blog i disagree/engage with people like Mommacyndi, m1si2zi3nzo4, SuiGeneris & others who atleast engage me on an intellectual level which u fail dismally to do. But then again one needs a brain to be able to engage intellectually & for that i'm sorry for u.
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jamesnaker

Posted 252 days ago
Wow your 'intellectual' response certainly makes me have new respect for you!
Sorry to have touched a nerve, I do however notice that you have not been able respond with anything sensible.

What could anyone expect of a product of the ANC's failed education system?

truthwins

Posted 252 days ago
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Why should government be shy to make their achievements known?. The truth of the matter is that the ANC wouldn't hesitate for a sec to advertise their achievements if there were any.
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Biggest

Posted 252 days ago
Only nincompoops like you will assert that there hasn't been any positive achievements since 1994. It is like an impala saying the strides of a cheetah are not that impressive, if you get what i mean.

Biggest

Posted 252 days ago
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For a change I agree with JZ. The ANC has many weaknesses, but on the whole it had changed the lives of South Africans (black south africans in particular) for the better. The severity of criticism levelled against government is often motivated by factors (political) other than actual performance. It feeds into some people's paranoia and hatred of this government to say it has done nothing positive since 1994.
I am glad that even the Institute of Race Relations acknowldges that government has on the whole doen well to improve the conditions of the poor. If I were to adjudge their performance, I would score them at 60% - which is still not good enough for an ambitious country like ours. Do they need to be voted back into power in 2014? In an ideal world I wouldn't say so given their score-card, but I know majority of South Africans will give them an endorsement. As an elite, I would like to see other parties close the gap with the ANC so that we could have a more accountable government.
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
I agree with you 100%. Atleast someone here comes with facts not their wishful thoughts.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 252 days ago
I think that (like the liberation struggle) the people of SA did more for themselves than the ANC did for them. In the past 10 years, I haven't seen much political will being extended on improving SA as a whole.

That is not to say that the ANC's manifesto is not good (it is fantastic) but the whole system seems to have become hijacked. If we could get some of the many really brilliant people in the ANC out of back rooms and DOING, we would see a great leap forward.
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@MommaCyndi
Theses are the stats from SAIRR unless u want to disagree with them. But people have their own opinion about how SA is run instead of looking at these facts:


The African National Congress deserves more credit for improving the living conditions of poor black South Africans, the SA Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR) said on Tuesday.

"The ANC may be accused of a lot of things, but the data we have published is unambiguous that the ANC and the government it leads deserve considerably more credit for improving the living standards of poor and black South Africans," SAIRR deputy chief executive Frans Cronje said in a statement.

He agreed with statements made by President Jacob Zuma that South Africa had outdone other African countries in terms of service delivery.

Zuma spoke at the SA Local Government Association's (Salga) special national conference in Midrand on Monday.

Cronje said: "A myth has taken hold in South Africa that service delivery was a failure; however research we have published over the past several years suggests that this is not the case."

According to data published by the research and policy organisation between 1996 and 2010, the number of families living in formal houses had increased by 89.9 percent.

In the same time period, access to water and electricity in households had risen by 127.9 percent and 76.6 percent respectively.

"Increases of a similar magnitude are true for all 15 service delivery indicators tracked by the institute," said Cronje.

He said service delivery successes contributed to the number of South Africans living on less than US2 (R16,44) a day declining from 12 percent in 1994 to five percent in 2012.

He said service delivery protests across the country were not a sign of the government's failure to deliver.

Instead, the successes of service delivery had raised high expectations which could not be met because of shortcomings in the school system and labour market.

On Monday, Zuma said non-delivery of services had to do with problems created and inherited from apartheid, when large parts of the country had no form of local government.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 252 days ago
Yes, I did read that.
Still maintain that not as much has been done as should have been. Too many errors, bad planning, corruption, nepotism and plain wastage has taken place. A lot more could have been done.

All those ridiculous election time promises don't help them much either
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jamesnaker

Posted 252 days ago
Makoya,

Maybe you should pull your head out of your backside and take a drive around so you can see the reality and not the fiction that you chose to read.

On your trip start with Hillbrow which was a perfectly functioning suburb, then make your way to the Johannesburg hospital which was the best in SA pre 1994, then come back and tell us what you saw...:-)
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@jamesnaker

Why don't u take a drive to Soweto, Mamelodi, Umlazi, KwaMashu, which used to be a dump prior 1994 & tell me what u saw maybe then i will do as you say.

I choose not to see SA as u do but as how locations were prior '94 compared to how they are now.

I told u to stop coming here with your Boeremag tendencies but it seems u don't listen. Get your head out of the gutter boet.
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@MommaCyndi

LOL, u are a very hard woman to please neh? lol
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 252 days ago
jamesnaker

In all honesty, comparing pre 1994 with now is like comparing chalk and cheese. Whole different set of priorities and a whole different set of challenges.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 252 days ago
Makoya1zn

:) not really. All I want is the best.
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Biggest

Posted 252 days ago
corruption, nepotism, bad planning are serious blemishes. However, it would be extremely disengenious to say they are the only things happening in SA. They are not the only games in town, there are many other games that happening in the country, which the media and doomsayers chose to ignore. Crafting the ANC performance in government in simple story narrative (corruption) is too simplistic and smacks of sinister agenda. there is a heightened desperation in south africa today to search for an apartheid equivalent. the aim is to come up with a counter story to the natives, that 'see, apartheid was not that bad' and 'waht we did to you a while back is a common human practice, the anc is doing the same'. This story is counter-narrative is sickening and needs to be exposed for what it is. Having said that, the ANC itself with its internal squabbles, and short-sightedness on issues of leadership, is playing right into the biases of the doomsayers. It is giving these people the ammunition that they deserve.
@Momma. your assertion that the people of south africa did more for themselves than the anc did, is, for lack of a better expression, desperate. The liberation of south africa was not an apolitical process. It was given expression (political expression) by the ANC and other liberation movements. It is convenient and extremely desperate for anyone to tell the historically oppressed black south africans, that they liberated themselves. Yes, looking at it cynically, they did, but surely the was a political vehicle that gave expression to people's frustrations and lobbied the state for change. If we go by your twisted logic, we can say it is unwarranted then for people to expect service delivery from the anc, since they 'liberated' themselves. My father may be a drunkard, but that does not give me a ticket to question if he is indeed my father.
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@Cyndi

It's unfortunate coz our movement could do with more women like yourself, Nksz Dlamini-Zuma & Thuli Madonsela. Ever considered joining out movement?
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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
........60% pass ????...........You're generous!!!!........The ANC has appointed three presidents: Mandela, Mbeki and Zuma...........What has been achieved/ improved/built in each period and what has deteriorated/destroyed/lost in each ?????..............

The ANC started with good systems of education and health in place........Where are those systems now??....Have they maintained/improved the standards???....Have they succeeded to extend the goodness of those inherited systems to the majority of the population from the reduced chosen and protected class to the rest of the nation ???/.........Do we see at least a decent yearly increase in the quality of education for all the pupil population at all ???????........Where are the standards of the teaching hospitals left by the "whites".......Is the rest of the population enjoying a decent and effective level of care and are there plans to improve the prevention of common diseases which can be controlled with the current means????..........Are the rural areas cared for or even better than what they were cared for in the past?????..............


"""""""I know majority of South Africans will give them an endorsement..........""""""""

The majority of ANC gullible voters most surely......but I doubt on the "rest" of South Africans unless they are masochists collectively..........
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Biggest

Posted 252 days ago
@jamesnaker,

surely the challenges are there, and things that all self-respecting south africans cannot be proud of are happening all over. however, what you guys fail to acknowledge is that the mess is not necssarily the handiwork of the anc. It has been there long before the anc came to power. yes, as the ruling party the anc could have worked harder to address these challenges. This we all acknowldge. but saying the anc has done nothing, and that life was even better for black people before the anc came to power is blasphemeous. it borders on desperation to clear out historical guilt.

also, why should we believe your claims over and above the report of a scientifically researched study?
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Biggest

Posted 252 days ago
@i_stub,

your naive despration makes me laugh. who is the 'rest' that you are talking about? is it the 23% that collectively voted for the opposition? i mean comeon and apply you mind a bit. the problem with you people is that you make grandiose support claim for your preferred political parties. And in your desperation and dreams you actually belive that you have the majority support in south africa. this is extremely sad..
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jamesnaker

Posted 252 days ago
One day the ANC brainwashed masses will wake up to the same reality Zimbabwe faces and all you will say is "Eish, hauw!"

Wake up. If you want change then change your vote. Won't help toyi toying afterwards thinking that will make the ANC change their ways and flick a switch to improve things. No intelligent, self respecting person can vote for the circus called the ANC.

ANC elected Zuma as their president. A man who has faced rape charges, prevent HIV by showering, was facing hundreds of fraud and corruption charges which to date he has not answered to, screwed his friend's daughter and made her pregnant. Says a lot about what the ANC's values are.
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@Biggest

I give up on these people & i advise u to do the same. They will drag u down to their IQ capacity & then beat u with experience
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Makoya1zn

Posted 252 days ago
@jamesnaker

You are a blood sucking mosquito that won't just go away. Corruption & fraud charges he was not convicted of. Innocent until proven otherwise, does it ring a bell. As for him sleeping with Khoza's daughter that is non of your damn bussiness or would u have prefered it to be your sister.
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Biggest

Posted 252 days ago
Someone has to tell this chorus that they are actually out of tune. they have been singing this lousy song for way too long to the extent that they expect that everybody believe it is a nice tune.

I am committed to speaking truth to power, and I am not from the school that says a lie becomes the truth by mere repetition.

The 'change your vote' chorus is sickening. What if I tell you that I never vote? If I do in the next election I will definitely vote against the anti-anc chorus.

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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
""""""My father may be a drunkard, but that does not give me a ticket to question if he is indeed my father.""""""

............Who cares if he is/isn't your father.....It gives you the ticket to choose to become a drunkard too "because he did it" or to choose not to because you don't want to repeat the mess the drunkard did......


""""""""Crafting the ANC performance in government in simple story narrative (corruption) is too simplistic and smacks of sinister agenda. there is a heightened desperation in south africa today to search for an apartheid equivalent""""""

.........You deliberately twist the reality....In your disturbed and opportunistic mind you want us to believe we are looking for another master to serve in exchange for comfort. The rest of the people, not the 23% you mention but more than that, because the fact is that the ANC IS incapable to get the 2/3 of the voters until now, am I right???.........But you only point out my "rest of SA" sentence, and conveniently ignore the rest of the questions I and many other people ask.........

You want to distract the fact that the ANC could not and cannot deliver the goods unless going through a process of depuration, which could cost the very existence of the party.......The fact that SA people demand good governance and effective leadership as any citizen in any country, means to your febrile mind that we are looking for another apartheid, proof you are obtusely naive and can believe in fairy stories, or simply dishonest in negating the facts in front of your eyes..........Go and try to confuse your less intelligent and uneducated minions with your "truths".........
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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
"""""""You are a blood sucking mosquito that won't just go away. Corruption & fraud charges he was not convicted of. Innocent until proven otherwise, does it ring a bell. As for him sleeping with Khoza's daughter that is non of your damn bussiness or would u have prefered it to be your sister.""""""""


..........HA HA HA HA HA HA.........the typical example of "intellectual (cesspit) level"........ha ha ha hal
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i_stub_born

Posted 252 days ago
"""""......The 'change your vote' chorus is sickening. """"""""Why ???.....That is the meaning of "democracy"....not the moronic "african" concept of "one-party democracy"..."vote 'freely' for me and nobody else".............HA HA HA HA HA..........
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 252 days ago
Biggest

So you also buy into the idea that the ANC was the ONLY organisation which was against apartheid and every single person who took a bullet or choked on teargas was an ANC member?
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 252 days ago
Makoya1zn

.... but then I wouldn't be able to say what I want or have an independent opinion without being vilified. I'll just stay a-political, it suits my arbitrary nature :)
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 252 days ago
jamesnaker

Yes, they ELECTED him. I don't agree with their choice but it was a free choice. For all the problems that SA has (and I admit, they are many) the work of Pansy and her crew at the IEC cannot be faulted. This was our country's choice. If you (as the opposition) didn't do enough to get people to vote differently, then it is your fault.

This isn't Zim. We don't have a president for life and we don't have the slightest hint election fraud

AfricaRevolt2011

Posted 252 days ago
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The issue has gone far beyond whether Zuma wins in Mangaung or not, he may well win as he has appointed people into strategic positions to ensure his re-election at whatever cost to the ANC or country. The truth of the matter is Zuma delivered the ANC to a catastrophic and crisis point, and it is up to the ANC to find the courage to untangle itself out of this mess. Polokwane consciously elected a compromised and a weak leader in Zuma, a potential criminal and an immoralist and the country is paying the prize of unwavering levels of corruption and poor service delivery. He had to reward those who delivered him into the union building and today we can't absolve him of any blame when those appointments are failing this country. He sidelined those who were seen to be close to Mbeki irrespective of their contributions in favour of his loyalists. The bulk of the ANC leadership rising against Zuma today, have realised they committed a costly mistake in Polokwane, and new vision and direction is needed before the ANC implode. Why doesn’t Zuma remind us of the achievement of his government since 2009 when he took office, or is he referring to the achievements of his predecessors? Can anyone educate me why Richard Mdluli was reinstated into his job, to spy on his comrades? Is our current Chief Justice the best candidate or we opted for a friend who will veto any chance of reinstating charges against Zuma? Did Tito Mboweni and his inflation targeting failed, or he happened to be too close to the previous administration, and if he failed why are we still pursing the same policies? The ANC can never deliver on its mandate as long as it is divided and fragmented along factional lines, and the divisions today are lamentable and he should take responsibility. Maybe I should remind you that he still owe Judge Willem Heath a job, and when we limp from one crisis to the next, we shouldn’t blame it on Zuma but ourselves.