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Tue May 21 00:32:06 SAST 2013

Disgruntled soldiers warn of 'military way'

GRAEME HOSKEN and AMUKELANI CHAUKE | 13 September, 2012 00:39
Expelled ANC Youth League president Julius Malema speaks to suspended soldiers in Lenasia, south of Johannesburg, yesterday Picture: MOELETSI MABE

Expelled ANC Youth League president Julius Malema plans to destabilise South Africa, it has been claimed.

Intelligence gathered by several agencies purports to show that Malema has a well-orchestrated plan to "sponsor an Arab Spring" in this country that includes targeting the military, intelligence agencies, police, metro police, universities and the mines.

S A Security Forces' Union president Bheki Mvovo said yesterday that, by exploiting the plight of soldiers and disempowered workers, Malema had several targets in his sights.

"It is a systematic attempt to destabilise the country - this is the very real danger that South Africa is now facing," Mvovo said.

"This is not the way to do things. It is opportunistic and dangerous.

"We are discouraging our members from attending such future meetings because he is not genuine about his intentions."

A police union insider, who asked not to be named, said Malema's strategy included attacking unions close to the government by appearing to be sympathetic to disgruntled civil servants.

Brian Dube, spokesman for the inspector-general of intelligence, refused to be drawn on the "speculation" about Malema's intentions, but national police spokesman Brigadier Phuti Setati said the police had not received information on the allegations.

Unisa criminologist Rudolf Zinn said the main concern was that Malema would - by targeting key elements in the safety and security services - attempt to cause the collapse of government-controlled institutions.

"As far as the military is concerned, the grievances raised by the soldiers make them susceptible to his intentions. The police and the intelligence services might be different because they do not have the same level of grievances."

The warning was given on the day Malema met a small group of soldiers in Lenasia, south of Johannesburg. The calling of the meeting resulted in all military bases being placed on high alert.

The meeting was monitored by heavily armed police who blocked off several roads. A helicopter circled overhead.

Private Sammy Segone, a leader of the Concerned Soldier Association, stationed at 21 Infantry Battalion in Lenasia, warned the government that the disgruntled soldiers were a "dangerous trade".

"We are equipped and are not afraid to die. This is not a joke. By being here we have chosen a side."

Soldiers were suspended from duty after marching on the Union Buildings during an illegal strike in 2009.

After several court cases, more than 1000 soldiers are still on special leave awaiting military trial.

"We need to expose the corruption and racism which is destroying the organisation. We are not here to destroy South Africa. We took an oath to protect this country but we will not follow illegal orders aimed at destroying South Africa."

Association leader Private Sipho Swelinkomo concurred: "Our message is that there are two ways of doing things. Either the right way or the military way," hinting they would take up arms if necessary.

A senior soldier with links to military intelligence, sent to the meeting to monitor the situation along with plain-clothed colleagues and undercover police officers, said the defence force was ready to act if necessary.

He said: "What is happening is dangerous. Once actions are unleashed there is no turning back ."

In his address, Malema again slammed the government, President Jacob Zuma in particular.

"What is it that is going right in this country? Everything is collapsing. All we are seeing is politicians becoming richer and the poor workers becoming poorer."

Presidential spokesman Mac Maharaj refused to comment.

"We won't legitimise stories . by getting me or the Presidency to comment. You don't expect him [President Jacob Zuma] to comment on this," he said.

"You [journalists] must pay the price and take responsibility for writing stories saying that South Africa is a banana republic because you might believe it."

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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 249 days ago
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Private Sammy Segone, "We are equipped and are not afraid to die. This is not a joke. By being here we have chosen a side."

Okay so Private Sammy wants to die? Send the silly sod to the front lines where he will have something worth dying for. This is tantamount to treason.
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PSG

Posted 249 days ago
Howzit Momma?

Maybe SA should send the likes of Private Sammy on a peace keeping mission in Iraq :-).
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 249 days ago
Hey there PSG :)
Maybe a stint of guarding the US embassy in Nigeria?

Thuka-Thuka

Posted 249 days ago
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Fantastic. So Friends of the Youth League now have their own military wing....!!! *Sigh*

MicaParis

Posted 249 days ago
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''Intelligence gathered by several agencies purports to show that Malema has a well-orchestrated plan to "sponsor an Arab Spring" in this country that includes targeting the military, intelligence agencies, police, metro police, universities and the mines.''

The sentence above signify coup d’état and a possible treason if proved to be true. Although Juju have got a reasonable attributes to be associated with coup, the allegations will only hold water and acquire the force of law if there is real evidence to prove material facts, we cannot rely on machine generated evidence and circumstantial evidence for such a serious case.
Juju is travelling alone in the world where he does not belong. The ANC have got three main tiers (politicians, business accolades and academics) which serve as alter egos of the general political and administrative weather forecast. Even if Juju believe that there are comrades who support his course to oust Zuma he does not however have a vital core reason to believe whether they pretend or really in that game together with his might be empty hope!

What Juju is not aware of is that the politicians are shadow hollow suits who are leading but does not control themselves, the real rulers are champion business accolades who can buy Juju and his crew with all their assets and even the country! I am talking about gigantic business gurus who any politician who want to lead must obey and listen to. They control the politicians by financial and economic radar but unfortunately Juju is neither part of that crew!
Academics administer and manage the government on behalf of the business accolades not the politicians and Juju is neither part of the groupies!
I am afraid Juju will die of heart attack the day he realise that he was actually travelling alone all along but however he can still save himself from a possible suicide by forming his own political party to officially oppose the ANC just like Cope did. That is the only solution for the rat to actually get out of the ANC pocket for everyone to understand and appreciate the bravery he always preaches about.
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Ozgood

Posted 249 days ago
MicaParis,

You have been watching the TV series Rich Man, Poor Man. You could possibly be correct. How did an unknown peanut farmer come from nowhere to be president of the USA?

It is possible that there may well be a sinister cabal behind the Tele Tubbie, Julius. There agenda will eventually come out.

On the other hand if you believe in prophesies the words of the Boer prophet, Siener van Rensburg .would be worth noting: "'Die Vierkleur sal weer or die land wapper". The late Betsie Verwoerd said that this was preoprdained.

There are also Die Suiderlanders who, on the death of Mandel, may stage their own coup. This has been reported before. We are living in very troubled times, not just here but through the whole world.

We are ppassing through a clash of civilizations.
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MicaParis

Posted 249 days ago
Ozgood!

Very good! I share the same sentiments. The world is like a strange filthy puppet folklore stories which contain miseries and fiction that nobody can ever get their essence and meaning!!

But however I do not watch TV but only if I have got nothing to do but as I am always busy I do not have that precious playful leverage, so appreciate my disagreement on that accord!
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SimphiweMngadi

Posted 249 days ago
His parting shots was "mark my words, I will lead the ANC"
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QPCLCD308

Posted 249 days ago
Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! the ''ANC'' LEECHES............at it again!

SuiGeneris

Posted 249 days ago
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Government should find out who is financing fatso malema for inciting the miners and now the military.
We all know that malema wouldn't stir his little finger without getting paid to do so.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 249 days ago
That is the million dollar question.
Who is REALLY behind all this?
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Wiseguy

Posted 249 days ago
My guess is Mugabe and his JOC are the ones behind him, maybe a couple of Limpopo and Mpumalanga politico's too !
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MicaParis

Posted 249 days ago
Wiseguy & RSA.Mammoc
Thabo Mbeki sidelined Tokyo, Phosa, Winnie, Modise and Nyanda in his Cabinet. Mbalula was never a significant powerhouse during Mbeki and the same thing applied to Paul who was MEC of Finance in Gauteng which was a weak position to make any meaningful value to main stream National Cabinet politics.

The tripartite alliance had since totally collapsed when Zuma took over, The Mbeki bureaucrat political lifestyle had since kept a visible distance away from the masses on the floor and ANC seemed to be losing its meaning and political mandate under Mbeki.

As a result poor Zuma came in and quickly try to be smarter than Mbeki to win all the disgruntled parties! Poor Zuma brought all the stooges from political extinction by Mbeki back into the main political stream and they responded by fatally sabotaging his image, integrity and leadership capacity, by feeding him wrong advisers and advices that exposed his weaknesses since they know them and exactly got him at the corner!

In a bit to unite the alliance he made Gwede an SACP core cadre an SG of the ANC the move which core ANC comrades like Mbalula and former Juju saw it as a taboo and a move which undermined core ANC cadres.

Zuma introduced the Monitoring and Evaluation Department, that I am currently attached to, led by Minister Chabane to force Government employees and political heads to touch base with ordinary citizens on the ground t remove the bureaucratic syndrome created by Mbeki. That is why we have compulsory Public Participation Programmes by all political heads and Senior Government Officials.

As such comrades who were brought up from political death might be liable for that and is now that Zuma realises why Mbeki sidelined them in the first place! But however his bid to unite the alliance had been successful considering the way it was bad under Mbeki! Zuma burned his fingers by returning the political deadwoods sidelined by Mbeki and poor Juju is just being used as the scapegoat as he was technically expelled from ANC by dark business forces such as Oppenheim, Wiese, Dippenaar and Rupert so that they can foil nationalisation of powerful assets which belong to this hefty business men!

I hope the whole background answers your question of ''certain'' individual who might be fuelling the fire behind Juju panda.

l984

Posted 249 days ago
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Given the opportunity Julius Malema can successfully lead any league, any party, any economy and any country into complete and permanent chaos and destruction. It just comes naturally to him.

It is always so easy to render a city, province or industry ungovernable.
Of course the real challenge is to make them governable - and well governed at that! But that of course is the last concern on his/their minds.

Is Mangaung and the ANC with its endless internal conflicts and dirty wars really worth the price that SA as a whole will have to (and is about to!) pay? How far are the Malemas and their opponents actually prepared to go? I wonder if all those who insisted that Malema is a nobody that should be ignored or laughed at still hold their opinions?

Stirrer

Posted 249 days ago
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Stop Foolius already!
He has got the ANC-led alliance by the balls, and if nothing is done he will just continue to get stronger and bolder in his mission. I suggest that he is reinstated as ANCYL leader, on condition that he tows the party-line.
But please don't arrest him - this would just trigger a "Free Malema" campaign!
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l984

Posted 249 days ago

Malema is slowly bringing the situation to a point where whatever is done or not done to deal with it/him will eventually backfire.

mbongwa-sonofthesoil

Posted 249 days ago
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The most corrupt organisation[ANC] in the whole world is unable to control my country. I told you that ourn security are at the edge of collapsing if zuma continue in high, did you guys listen to me? no.

Thuka-Thuka

Posted 249 days ago
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That photo looks a little bit too much 'Last Supper' for my liking...
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SuiGeneris

Posted 249 days ago
LOL - You're so right.
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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 249 days ago
They said the ANC would rule until Jesus comes. Er, hello!! Although I'm a bit disappointed.

Which one is Judas? Actually, don't answer that....
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Darwin_Rules

Posted 249 days ago
and what's with the tiny "Che Beret". Is he starting a new fashion trend or does he does he just not know how a beret should really be worn. Most likely it was made in China.
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Stirrer

Posted 249 days ago
"and what's with the tiny "Che Beret"."

It's not a tiny beret, Darwin_Rules - it's a huge head!

truthwins

Posted 249 days ago
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A soldier that is not loyal to his country is simply a traitor, and does not deserve the name of "soldier".

SuiGeneris

Posted 249 days ago
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"We cannot think that any member of the public can just go and talk to members of the SANDF."

Mabanga said it was also unacceptable for SANDF members to invite a person to address them outside defence structures.

"Anybody outside the established military structure and the South African government, that would be out of order. Even if they invited a pastor, or a priest or a bishop or a sangoma or whatever," Mabanga said.

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Malema didn't just go there to talk to the soldiers. He went there with an agenda to incite them to mutiny.

Lets see what they will find to charge him with....if anything ?

swona1

Posted 249 days ago
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is he planning to destabilize the country for the love of the people or power?
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mbongwa-sonofthesoil

Posted 249 days ago
Love of the country some people cannot allow this madness from your president to continue.

bok.fan

Posted 249 days ago
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Those supporting malema are enemies of everything our democracy stands for. These military rejects that he is recruiting could easily form the core of a militia aimed at the heart of the rotten anc corrupted state. As such he is posing a clear and present danger that must be treated with urgency.

Four things have to happen very quickly to cool off the situation.

-The corrupt Zuma and his closest allies must go as he symbolises everything wrong with this country.
- A multiparty task team must be formed to create a united front against this warlordism
- Malema must be contained and investigated for his role in these acts of economic sabotage
- Business, govt. civil society must revisit the commitments made in our constitution and irrevocably bind themselves thereto.