SA on knife edge
As miners vowed yesterday to shut down South Africa's platinum industry, high-level meetings were being planned to rescue the strife-torn mining sector.
According to ANC insiders, an urgent national executive committee meeting will be held within days to discuss how to bring under control the chaos in mining and the unfettered power of expelled former youth league leader Julius Malema.
"We should be at the centre of what is happening now in the mines without undermining Cosatu. Being quiet will not help us. We need to show that we are a governing party together with our alliance partners," a senior ANC insider said.
Last night, mining bosses met senior government officials and union leaders in an attempt to stem the violent strikes that started a month ago at Lonmin's Marikana mine.
Anglo American CEO Cynthia Carroll said they were "in touch with the authorities at the highest level" to identify how they could work together. The "authorities" were both government and trade unions, according to a spokesman.
The National Union of Mineworkers has called a special national executive conference tomorrow also to discuss the events at Marikana and other platinum mines.
"We are highly concerned because these people can lose their jobs," NUM spokesman Lesiba Seshoka said last night.
He pointed out that both Amplats and Goldfields had issued retrenchment notices in June and July and NUM was concerned that the strikers were handing mining companies the power to retrench them.
Yesterday, striking miners at Marikana and the nearby Anglo Platinum mine outside Rustenburg formed a "war room" to fight together for salaries to be raised to R12500 a month. Almost 10000 miners from Amplats are expected to join the strikers at Lonmin.
A mining executive, who did not want to be named, described the sector as "a runaway train".
"The best-case scenario for the mining sector is to return everything to 3pm on the afternoon of the shooting at Marikana. But that still is a nightmare for management, workers and shareholders because it would mean job losses, mine closures and economic decline."
The platinum industry, he said, had been in severe pain already for a number of quarters. The mines simply could not pay higher wages, and workers seemed unwilling to back down.
Marikana had been a loss-making operation before the shooting in mid-August, as were many mines, according to a research report by JP Morgan, he said.
The executive was not aware of any industry-wide measures to save the industry nor of talks between government and companies.
To normalise things, he said, someone had to stand up and speak the uncomfortable truth that wage increases would not happen but mine closures would.
In North West, mineworkers rejecting the formal unions have formed a Rustenburg Workers and Communities Forum under the leadership of the Democratic Socialist Movement, affiliate of the Committee for Workers' International.
Executive member Mametlwe Sebei yesterday tried to persuade miners that a general strike should start in Rustenburg and be followed by a national strike and march to the Union Buildings.
"This battle can be won only if we are united," Sebei urged at a mass meeting at Amplats.
An estimated 12000 miners went on strike at four Amplats shafts on Tuesday night, demanding salaries of R14500 a month.
One of the strike leaders, Evans Ramokga said they had been trying since May to get NUM to take their demands to management. "NUM rejected us and we decided to do everything ourselves."
In Marikana, Bishop Joe Seoka said an end to the impasse was in sight as workers' representatives agreed to participate in the CCMA-facilitated negotiations, which will resume today.



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Posted 253 days agoIs that a typo or are they really demanding more?
I'm afraid that this is not going to end well. The mines are going to be forced to mechanise and, as a result, a lot of permanent jobs are going to be lost forever. Malema won't care.
The scariest part of all this is that most of those are not even employed at the mines - they are simply a rent-a-mob who are intimidating and murdering those who want to work.
SecretVoice
mbongwa-sonofthesoil
Where do you get your amount as far as we all know it's R12500,spreading lies again as usual?
RSA.MommaCyndi
Overcome your immense phobia against reading, break out the Lipice and READ THE ARTICLE.
mbongwa-sonofthesoil
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This is another bad reporting from former apartheid journalist spreading lies about africans.
RSA.MommaCyndi
Rest your lips for a while now as that is why I was asking if it was a typo (meaning an error made during typing of the article)
madlapha
RSA.MommaCyndi
Who owns the minerals?
The state
Who owns the state?
The citizens of SA.
Who approves companies to gather those minerals and who is in charge of monitoring and enforcing legislation regarding those mineral rights?
mbongwa-sonofthesoil
Listen mama your governement who supposely monitoring or guarding our natural resources is too weak and pre-occupied with corruption and lazyness. So dont be surprised when people are fed-up with them,there will be another revolution that will revolutionalise people. The myth of freedom or democracy[whatever you call this sh!t] since from 1994 is not working for us africans.
RSA.MommaCyndi
Well OUR government was voted in by the majority. Maybe you should start going out and lobbying for them to vote a different way instead of cheering on the complete destruction of our country?
mbongwa-sonofthesoil
Posted 7 minutes ago
Bong,
Well OUR government was voted in by the majority. Maybe you should start going out and lobbying for them to vote a different way instead of cheering on the complete destruction of our country?
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You reckon? The shame governement was created out of lies and blood of our relatives who were brutaly killed by the ANC,INKATHA and pale skinned who funded INkatha to kill our parents especialy in my republic[Transkei]. It's very easy for you to talk without understand the root cause of the problem. Again africans were failed by Tutu in his TRC sh!t. How long must we tolerate failures in our soil?
RSA.MommaCyndi
We either go with the majority vote or we don't. Those are our options. The whole reason that we dismantled apartheid was to get everyone that vote. Don't blame the ANC if you are too bone idle to go out and canvas for enough votes to get the thieving sods out of government.
mbongwa-sonofthesoil
Posted 12 minutes ago
Yes Bong. And your solution is to create more bloodshed and destroy our economy. How is that going to work out for the best?
We either go with the majority vote or we don't. Those are our options. The whole reason that we dismantled apartheid was to get everyone that vote. Don't blame the ANC if you are too bone idle to go out and canvas for enough votes to get the thieving sods out of government.
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I like your last sentence really me canvasing for these thieves? They nearly killed me in1994, i was only 18 yrs then. In was saved by my late father from these criminals,if he was weak man i would be history by now. Have great day i am leaving this office now.
bugsy
l984
Posted 252 days agoIt is always so easy to render a city, province or industry ungovernable.
Of course the real challenge is to make them governable - and well governed at that!
But that of course is the last concern on his/their minds.
Is Mangaung and the ANC with its endless internal conflicts and dirty wars really worth the price that SA as a whole will have to (and is about to!) pay? How far are Malemas and their opponents actually prepared to go? I wonder if all those who insisted that Malema is a nobody that should be ignored or laughed at still hold their opinions?
SuiGeneris
Many people were jubilant when he was expelled and hoped he would simply disappear from the scene, but now we have an uncontrollable individual with a vendetta against zuma, seeking his revenge.
I still maintain that someone or most likely a group of people are financing him.
manga2
mbongwa-sonofthesoil
Listen here boy the president of yours has no capacity of running my country. The ANC should just recall this human being,he is wasting our time.
manga2
Posted 252 days agoI hope the mining companies, the Unions and government will remain resolute and not succumb to this nonsense. If they do, it's all exponentially downhill henceforth.
madlapha
and if the government is able to pay +-R290.00 to every child in south africa why dont he put hand to these mines.we are going to change the leadership in Mangaung and that will give us a new memory not change...i prefare the new leadership will tell us new lies than that of Zuma
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 252 days agoMine strikes always pit the migrant workers and necessarily, society against the capital, which uses the state and the ruling party. This is because the workers are forced to live within their working environment, due to the migrant labour system. The Mynwerkers Unie clubbed with capital, and the National Party, against the entry of NUM into the industry. Almost all the workers were recruited from the TVBC homelands, as well as the neighbouring African states. Hence any strike was played out as some form of insurgence. A similar polarisation occurred in the farms, but now the farms are largely on their own. The cloud is created by the unproductive BEE's who own the unions, the mines, the party - and by the same token - the state, simultaneously. The former homelands are now part of the state, and their leaders depend on the elite, and not their constituents for their elections. This drags the whole society into Mangaung, unwittingly.
The principle here is that if a capitalist cannot play the game, he should get out of the playground.
MicaParis
Posted 252 days agoThe whole pandemonium is nothing but a total mischief on the part of NUM / Cosatu and poor government lackeys are now left destitute to lick the bleeding wounds.
To avoid future cataclysm, legislation must be promulgated to separate government and union responsibility thereby also forcing the government to be accountable to indecent impact management.
This kind of catastrophe must be avoided for all intend and purpose nevertheless as they say, failure is the mother of success but however Unions must be the combination of parishes for joint administration of relief for the poor in any healthy labour law abiding government.
Where trade unions are most firmly organized, there are the rights of the employees most respected.
SecretVoice
Mining in a mess
Health care in a mess
Defense force in a mess
Education in a mess
Local government in a mess
Policing in a mess
Etc,etc,etc
SuiGeneris
There is a true saying - Empty vessels make the most noise !
MicaParis
I will never defend the ANC or the Government, which most political parties are part of and thereby collectively ''fail'' together.
I share your sentiments but blaming the government without any reasonable solutions with only lame non constructive criticism will never enable us to see the light of the day on issues relating to general complains and problems such as the Marikana saga.
You mentioned lots of Government's hogwash haystack but still did not lead us to any permanent or temporary solutions.
The government is ''magnificently'' failing and any South African adult compatriot does not need any telescope to see that in fact it is a national crisis.
But what do you suggest we should do since voting ANC out of power proved to be a temporary impossibility for a permanent relief!
Let me put you on the spot, what should we do, what other options do we have, let us talk and stop advocating hatred and ''they will never get it'' right syndrome, remember South Africa is our country and anything which happen within our borders will affect us all across the border as such we both collectively have a mutual mandate to make things correct.
Thespear
From where I stand the ANC need Cosatu more than Cosatu needs it, if it was not of the cosy relationship, NUM would have pushed both goveremnt and business to implement mining charter, and CSI in areas were they operate, now we are indeed in a mess, but the mess is still within, unlike the Malema mess, which is outside, and the president has no powers at all, except his Hawks, and SARS, but this need political engagements, which is anathema, of ate in the ANC, some believe disciplinory hearing is political solution, where do you start to advice when some believe stupidity is a right not a priviledge, hence the arrogance..
MicaParis
I agree with you my Chief!
But however remember that South Africa is a Constitutional State in terms of Act (108 of 1996). Promulgation of legislation is still a vital solution.
As such section 2 of the Constitution stress on respect and supremacy of the ''Constitution'' which gives us leverage to a permanent solution in terms of the law and access to courts!
The Mining Charter is not legislation but a policy which does not acquire the force of law as such in terms of the South African legal hierarchy by order of inevitable implementation through forceful legal basis, now, can you notice the real difference?
Legislation will hold the Government accountable through Court action which will inevitably force the Government to act righteously and a Constitutional entrenchment of the ''enacted'' enabling Act will render the aggrieved individuals to appeal in the Constitutional Court were their rights will be absolutely protected and duly enforced as the Constitution and the Constitutional Court are the very last resorts in terms of section 2 of the Constitution and our constitutional state’s basis of the law.
Surely we cannot do it better than that, that is a solution that I think will be well applicable to the material problems. Most notably it might be vital for certain prescripts of the Mining Charter to be included in that Legislation to perpetually solve that kind of problem.
QPCLCD308
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 252 days agoBobbyBob
Posted 252 days agotruthwins
Posted 252 days agowill dwindle and finally dry up as has happened in Zimboland.
MicaParis
You have got a visible reference right above the border of South Africa! Let me re-phrase your question for an answer, ''So, who will (is) be (the) the worst affected'' ''in Zimbabwe''?
To be precise, all of us will be affected!
truthwins
Posted 252 days agoSuiGeneris
inmates ? More appropriate ?
MicaParis
Exactly the reason why I am longing for a legislation in a form of constitutional base and enabling Act as a temporary or permanent relief to separate the two structures and their responsibility!
We will never win this war if Unionists are working / practicing to become Ministers and Politicians at the expense of the poor employees and the general tax payers!
Thespear
Posted 252 days agoDarwin_Rules
Posted 252 days agoMicaParis
The irony of your explanation curtails just one most important vital issue which is coincidence? Surprisingly the very same Robert Mugabe and ZANUPF are still well right at the helm after all those years of sufferings, lethal poverty and agony!?
Now if I may ask, if we turn a blind eye about our situation do not you think the Zimbabwean saga might be a coincidence to our reality!?
Remember politics and lethal poverty often coincide and the same thing might apply to be the fatal consequences of the ''malema - zuma'' aroma of deep hatred in which every South African citizen might be caught with their pants down in this cross-fire!
Wiseguy
So that begs the question, who is the elite grouping behind this political play?
MicaParis
Thabo Mbeki sidelined Tokyo, Phosa, Winnie, Modise and Nyanda in his Cabinet. Mbalula was never a significant powerhouse during Mbeki and the same thing applied to Paul who was MEC of Finance in Gauteng which was a weak position to make any meaningful value to main stream National Cabinet politics.
The tripartite alliance had since totally collapsed when Zuma took over, The Mbeki bureaucrat political lifestyle had since kept a visible distance away from the masses on the floor and ANC seemed to be losing its meaning and political mandate under Mbeki.
As a result poor Zuma came in and quickly try to be smarter than Mbeki to win all the disgruntled parties! Poor Zuma brought all the stooges from political extinction by Mbeki back into the main political stream and they responded by fatally sabotaging his image, integrity and leadership capacity, by feeding him wrong advisers and advices that exposed his weaknesses since they know them and exactly got him at the corner!
In a bit to unite the alliance he made Gwede an SACP core cadre an SG of the ANC the move which core ANC comrades like Mbalula and former Juju saw it as a taboo and a move which undermined core ANC cadres.
Zuma introduced the Monitoring and Evaluation Department, that I am currently attached to, led by Minister Chabane to force Government employees and political heads to touch base with ordinary citizens on the ground t remove the bureaucratic syndrome created by Mbeki. That is why we have compulsory Public Participation Programmes by all political heads and Senior Government Officials.
As such comrades who were brought up from political death might be liable for that and is now that Zuma realises why Mbeki sidelined them in the first place! But however his bid to unite the alliance had been successful considering the way it was bad under Mbeki! Zuma burned his fingers by returning the political deadwoods sidelined by Mbeki and poor Juju is just being used as the scapegoat as he was technically expelled from ANC by dark business forces such as Oppenheim, Wiese, Dippenaar and Rupert so that they can foil nationalisation of powerful assets which belong to this hefty business men!
I hope the whole background answers your question of ''certain'' individual who might be fuelling the fire behind the ''Juju panda''.
QPCLCD308
shelatt
Wiseguy
Posted 252 days agoQPCLCD308