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Mon May 20 00:52:52 SAST 2013

ANC leadership 'deal' on the cards

DOMINIC MAHLANGU and THANDO MGAGA | 09 October, 2012 00:12

Senior ANC leaders are desperately trying to hammer together a back-room ''deal'' to stave off a bruising battle before the party's elective conference in December.

The deal is said to have the backing of party veterans.

Yesterday, Gauteng ANC executive leaders met with their counterparts in KwaZulu-Natal after both provinces had endorsed different leadership lists.

The meeting at Isibaya Casino, north of Durban, is the first of many expected to be held between provinces as the nomination process continues at branch levels across the country.

The Gauteng delegation was led by its chairman Paul Mashatile and secretary David Makhura, while the KwaZulu-Natal delegation was led by its chairman Zweli Mkhize, deputy chairman Willies Mchunu and secretary Sihle Zikalala.

Sources close to yesterday's talks said the point of departure was the position of ANC president.

They said both parties presented their arguments for each name on the lists. KwaZulu-Natal wants Zuma to retain the presidency, but Gauteng wants Kgalema Motlanthe.

"If a deal is not found, we are likely to end up with a dead organisation on our hands. These talks are important as it is through trade-offs that a balance will be found.

"The discussion with our counterparts in KZN is one of the many scheduled meetings across the country. The purpose is to avoid the danger that slates have done to the organisation. We have lost good comrades in the process.

"For the ANC to survive we need to debate and influence each other's leadership preferences," said a senior Gauteng ANC member.

But, according to insiders, the candidates for party president remained a sticking point for the two provinces.

KwaZulu-Natal is believed to have insisted that Zuma be elected for a second term, but Gauteng pushed to have his deputy, Kgalema Motlanthe, lead the ruling party and the country after Mangaung.

KwaZulu-Natal is said to have maintained that while it would be taking the highest number of delegates - 974 - to Mangaung, compared to Gauteng's 500, it remained open to suggestions from other s.

Sources familiar with the KwaZulu-Natal strategy said the province wanted to persuade others that Motlanthe stand back until 2017 when he would then be elected president. One of the arguments was that, at 63, Motlanthe still had age on his side compared to Zuma, who is 70.

Part of this deal meant Zuma would delegate some of his powers to Motlanthe. This would be similar to the strategy that former president Nelson Mandela had adopted during his term in office while Thabo Mbeki was his deputy. By the time Mbeki became president in 1999, he had significant control of government already.

According to a statement issued after the Isibaya Casino meeting, both Makhura and Zikalala said the discussions had been "frank, robust and constructive, with the sole aim of building a common approach to the upcoming national conference".

While yesterday's meeting in KwaZulu-Natal continued late into the afternoon, the ANC Limpopo executive committee and its counterparts in Mpumalanga released their leadership slates.

Limpopo has nominated Motlanthe as its preferred presidential candidate, while Mpumalanga supported Zuma for a second term.

The Mpumalanga executive committee said it wanted to continue with what it called leadership that is "in touch with the people, accessible and flexible".

Just like KwaZulu-Natal, Mpumalanga put forward the names of businessman Cyril Ramaphosa for deputy president and Jessie Duarte as the party's deputy secretary.

It wants KwaZulu-Natal Premier Zweli Mkhize as the next ANC treasurer-general, while incumbent secretary-general Gwede Mantashe and party chair Baleka Mbete would retain their posts.

Limpopo has opted to nominate Housing Minister Tokyo Sexwale as deputy president.

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Mike123

Posted 222 days ago
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It would be nice if the put as much effort into running the country.

l984

Posted 222 days ago
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A back-room 'deal'? Comrades don't take well competition, and obviously cannot handle it well either. It's called democracy. Why not organise an american-style debate between Zuma and Motlanthe in front of live audience prior or during Mangaung - and let the better man win a well deserved victory and lead their party? Oh well... comrades don't do live debates either...
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UDFSupporter

Posted 222 days ago
....because the ANC knows just how embarrassing it would be to expose the dunces.

EddyDeepfield

Posted 222 days ago
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We don't need a new ANC President. We need a new leader from a new party. The ANC have decimated and plundered SA long enough.
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Bokwe_S'makuhleMAFUNA

Posted 222 days ago
We know that @EddyDeepfield, but right now the ANC is doing its thing -and whatever they decide to do, we'll have to live with it. As for a new President from a new party, we may have to wait a long, long time; unless we get our act together. The people who vote(d) the ANC into power seem to be going in a different direction. How do you interact with them to convince them otherwise? Seems they are more scared of the ghost from the past than the plundering of today. At the moment the opposition parties really don't threaten the ANC as its voters are quite happy to return it power, again and and again. Strange but true!
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MigalSale

Posted 222 days ago
It will be a good idear if you stand up and form your own party rather than be cretical to a reasonable solutions that could safe our country from fiece fightings and divissions in Mangaung.So get off your ass and form your own alternative party.

Gormogon1

Posted 222 days ago
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I am so pleased when I read how the ANC are moving deeper into chaos. They were and will always be a useless organisation, run by useless people. The problem is, their uselessness hurts my wallet.

SecretVoice

Posted 222 days ago
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The Rand is tumbling ,illegal strike action is destroying our economy, the auditor general fail government departments on a daily basis for not achieving their strategic goals, corruption in local government has escalated out of control with service delivery on basic services non existent, the President is misusing taxpayers money to enrich himself beyond any accepted norm, etc,etc.

In any normal situation you would argue that the current leadership has done a pathetic job in managing our country. However what does the ANC do? They squabble about keeping the current leadership in place.

The ANC has failed to govern effectively.
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KarlMarx1

Posted 222 days ago
I know you hate the ANC and so forth but are you really this dumb?

LeighLe_Gonidec

Posted 222 days ago
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And they call SA a democratic State.
Let the population have the final say, let them vote for a president, rather than have a weighted back room deal

Duzula

Posted 222 days ago
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This is a GOOD thing, they must just try and find the common ground in this...

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 222 days ago
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I think the technical term is 'horse-trading'.

As Brierce so aptly put it:
Politics : a strife of interest masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage
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SuiGeneris

Posted 222 days ago
So true !
Or to vote for the one whose lies you like the most.
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UDFSupporter

Posted 222 days ago
The "scientific" term is horse-arse-trading.

Robrt5Mugabe99

Posted 222 days ago
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The initiative by KZN to convene such a meeting was a brilliant idea , considering where we come from which resulted to capable comrades to disappear in political arena as birth of COPE. KZN does nt want to be arrogant, is more determined about the cohesion of the movement other than individual self interests as GP is doing. My advise to cdes in GP is to change GP PEC leadership that is divisive , the leadership of Paul Mashatile is nt making any contribution in the rebuild of the ANC . It must be remembered that Mashatile was at forefront on the way to Polokwane against Zuma same man again to Mongaung considering very well that he stand a slim chance to survive in Mongaung .

Mashatile is nt a solution to cdes of GP he looks similar to resistant warlords of Alfonso Dlakama and Jonas Savimbi , all what we need with GP cdes is to identify the problem , analyse and solve it these competencies in the leadership of Mashatile are nowhere to be seen , all he sees in front of himself is Alex Mafias whom are advising him.

He knows very well that GP is nt 100% behind his wishes there is Nomvula the Pemier with her support , I expected Paul should have learn a lot from womens conferences, is still showing signs of Jonas Savimbi and Alfonso Dlakama . KZN cdes are more considerate knowing very well that after Mongaung some anti Zumas will disappear in the political landscape first and foremost Paul Mashatile yet he does nt see that.
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Mike123

Posted 222 days ago
The length of the comment is inversely proportional to the IQ of the commenter.
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MicaParis

Posted 222 days ago
Comrade Mugabe
I will never break you but I will always build you as I have a ''feeling of fraternity'' towards your well being on the block unlike other who will persecute you I will never do that!

To avoid being a laughing stock, keep your comments very short to the point as you do not have the ability and grammatical cleanness to put your point across, people like Mike who rely too much on the media for the ANC political insight will never understand you due to the way you articulate your point not necessarily what you have written, Mike did not bother reading the comment by the look of what he had written, he just wanted to ''shame and expose'' you!

That is not how an intellect builds a person to make immaculate commentary in the future, we do not laugh at people but build them!

*Doctor* your comments and write ''short articulate'' sentences to the point you want to drive home and in order to solve spelling and grammatical error, put your comments through ''Microsoft Word'' to automatically edit your work but be careful of the correct vocabulary as English words and verbs are too many to be not what you intent for!!
I care about you Comrade and not necessarily happy when others laugh at you!
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Robrt5Mugabe99

Posted 222 days ago
@MicaParis
Posted 4 minutes ago



blahblahblahblah, you trying to be funny thinking you embarrass me, unfortunately not at all , the point is, this is an informal conversation , calm down , unfortunately there is big problem with you to understand different dimension of commutations thats what you dont understand .

The point is nt all about who writes perfect english its all about ideas , you can claim to be writing perfect english yet your content does nt make any sense , its jut good english thats has no meaning.

My message to you learned cde calm down this is nt a forum to exhibit English usage. Fortunately, my parents did nt invest on me to write/speak fluent english they knew very well how to advise me on technical skills on demand in this country, unlike you whom your parents sent to the best school to read english only to find yourself wasting time on this blog.
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katrynVBengal

Posted 222 days ago
Robrt5
Paul Mashatile has mustered significant influence since 2008 and recently started to represent a kind of a swing vote come the conference. You are right about Paul's character which is why I believe he would use the KZN meeting to broker a deal for himself pretending it is in the interest of camp Kgalema. Clever fox but no match for Zuma.

MicaParis

Posted 222 days ago
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The job of a leader is to create a vision, and to get the people behind it, that rule apply to a leader across the government spectrum. As the increasingly impotent and fractious ANC embarks on the road to Mangaung, there is *mambo jive* cunning and manoeuvring to anoint the next *leader*.
In these opaque process, ‘’in which the main body of the South African electorate has no part’’, there is no talk about any candidate’s vision for the future as no one spells out the way forward in relation to the country not the ‘’Mangaung jamboree’’.
Senior ANC leaders are now punting Kgali as the candidate to succeed President Zuma as he is the favourite of the ABZ faction, which is led by Malema & Sexwale , surprisingly none of these candidates have to face the people of the country or defend what they stand for but are dramatically ‘’discussing and electing’’ themselves.
The unfortunate reality is that we will simply be told **who is our leader** once the decision at Mangaung is made, and that will be the end of it.
The ANC must take account of how few competent and experienced cadres exist within the ranks of the ANC, and how necessary it is, if we are to make any headway at all, that the ANC will have to bring some of these skills and real appropriate experience from outside its cherished ranks for the sake of progress and do away with cadre deployment.
The subtext is that the government must be led by a broader constituency of people whose critical skill is delivery and competence rather than merely being party apparatchiks.
The ANC must choose a man or woman of vision and wisdom who can inspire confidence and get the whole country intact; unfortunately Zuma & Motlanthe does not suit the part for various obvious reasons.
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SuiGeneris

Posted 222 days ago
''''''The ANC must take account of how few competent and experienced cadres exist within the ranks of the ANC''''''

That is not true. They are all dressed in silk, which will automatically qualify them to be of sound mind, extremely competent and highly intelligent !
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SuiGeneris

Posted 222 days ago
''''The job of a leader is to create a vision'''''

So far we have seen numerous 'visions' from ANC leaders, but that was how far it went !

There is a massive difference between having a 'vision' and being competent enough to implement it.

In short, that would determine whether the person is GOOD leader or a bad one !
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
Now, Englishman tell us, have you ever attended an ANC meeting or engaged in branch discussions. You are being misinformed by this biased media that ANC leaders spoon-feed populations of who they must prefer.

To give you little "umhrabulo" In meetings of ANC and ANCYL branches, members are given time to raise their issues. Matters are then put into vote and majority decisions are final. That goes for all structures upwards. If ANC KZN nominates Zuma, it means most of branches, most of members upheld Zuma's nomination.

If you say, "The unfortunate reality is that we will simply be told **who is our leader** THEN YOU ARE WRONG COMRADE.
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
In fact I think that statement is true, DA are being told who their leader is because they are a Minority, and it will stay that way.
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i_stub_born

Posted 222 days ago
,,,,,,HA HA HA HA........pollyticks man.....Is it necessary to attend an ANC meeting to realize the ANC cadres and members give two fracks about running a country, but to keep their arses well seated in comfy power chairs with the money arks open to their will and greed?????......

...It is so funny when shebeen theoreticians pretend to educate the rest of the people on failed principle they understand as "democrazy"..............It is not THE PEOPLE that elects a president, but THE PARTY, and when the party is riddled with corrupt politicians, they elect the Mafia Capo di tutti capi......THE PEOPLE is f...up...........
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SuiGeneris

Posted 222 days ago
''....but to keep their arses well seated in comfy power chairs with the money arks open to their will and greed....'''

Commonly referred to as ''vision'' by our ''learned giants'' suffering from verbal diarrhea.

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 222 days ago
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This is real sick! Mbeki used to subvert the African people's aspirations by manipulating the results. Mandela's was slightly different, he tried to swallow all opposition parties into one government of national unity. Zuma's looters want to 'fix' it at a party level, where it is more manipulable by individual premiers.

The unpardonable temerity of this is that its logic is so false it cannot be twisted even by our notoriously pedestrian analysts. The fallacy can be attributed to the disjunctive—"either Zuma -or Motlanthe "—premiss, which renders this argument fallacious because its disjunctive premiss is fallaciously supported. It can follow this route: either Zuma or Motlanthe; If Zuma, then president; if Motlanthe then president; therefore president. The derisive part is that both 'fixers' are a mere portion of the larger picture, made up of branches, who will vote as individuals in a secret ballot?

A disjunctive syllogism would follow this line: Either Zuma or Motlanthe. Not-Zuma. Therefore, Motlanthe. This would still cancel out the wishes of the final arbiter - the branch represntative.

The horribly absurd in this is that the actors reduce the choice of a larger group into a two-horse race, for purely personal reasons. Whilst Mkhize's interests will be served by maintaining the status quo; Mashatile's ( and Motlanthes) will be postponed to a further bleak and future chance, where the legitimacy of the party will be so compromised by the current Zuma looters. This 'deal' is characterised by what is not stated than what is said. It cannot be in good faith even for one of the participants.
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
The initiative by ANC KZN is aimed at protection the organization and avoiding the glitches that arises after each fraction is defeated. For sure, without proper management, the situation will be bitter if either Zuma or Motlante take helm.

In personally think it shows maturity for KZN to come up with such strategy. Motlante will be Zuma's understudy and will take helm at due time. The smooth transition will take place, and there will be no need of another Polokwane disaster. For sure opportunists like Mashatile and Sexwale will be against this.

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 222 days ago
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Have our 'leaders' been to Karachi lately? We know how they love to galivant around the world and that amoeba would explain a lot

Darwin_Rules

Posted 222 days ago
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Now there is REAL democracy in action. the people will get to vote for the person already chosen.

Robrt5Mugabe99

Posted 222 days ago
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 222 days ago
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Credit must be given to Mkhize. Ever since he 'negotiated' Khwezi away into exile, for laying a charge of rape, he has been propping-up Zuma, to stay within the looting zone. He must be quite aware that after this rampant looting there may be no state left to preside over in 2014. Zuma tied all the fates of the 'alliance' leaders, together with those of the premiers, to his own. In that way they will do the fighting for him to remain at the till. At this rate, chances of having an ANC president or premiers, are reduced, for the next elections. They have no incentive to stop them from taking whatever is available, now.

Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
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Either way, people will continue to vote for liberation movement, come 2014. Those who left are back, those who are living will be back shortly.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 222 days ago
Unless the DA does something predictably stupid again, I think you will find that there are going to be a lot of people absent from the voting stations if the ANC doesn't sort itself out soon. Even Cosatu is going to have trouble drumming up the normal levels of support
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
I wish DA were as clever as they claim to be. Instead of criticizing ANC, come up with something that will convince doubting voters that they are the right party. Criticizing ANC every time will never help them, instead ANC will use that to cement their support. They must come up with counter plans to attract black people than blaming ANC on every thing.

Corruption was there before ANC and will be there after ANC, it just the matter of controlling the levels.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 222 days ago
I wish they were too.
Last elections I thought they had got it because they were actually spending a little bit of time campaigning for their manifesto instead of the usual 'ex-wife' responses. Then the ejits decided on a 'stop Zuma' campaign! Which fool came up with that red flag?

BigDuke40

Posted 222 days ago
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I am of the view that the current ANC leadership have shown cracks that cannot be plastered, even if they go the trade-offs route. The issue at hand here is what happened to others in Polokwane may not happen to others in Mangaung but the politics of slate is still at play here. KZN now portrays its numbers and wants others to do things their way. Some Provinces will obviously follow KZN because it has numbers but the ANC politics requires serious intervention of a new leadership that will unite the ANC henceforth, otherwise we will see the other Provinces lobbying after Mangaung and Pres Zuma may not live to see his second term to the finish, whereas if we come to our senses, Dep Pres Motlanthe will serve one term and pass the baton.
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
I will agree that ANC will need a special intervention to save it from it self. KZN, as the stronghold of the organization has stressed that what happened in Polokwane must not happen again.

While enjoying majority membership and strong support from provinces like FS, Mpumalanga and Noth West, ANC wings like MKVL and ANCWL, Cosatu and SACP, KZN continues to be humble and respecting, by inviting rival provinces to negotiate a polite way forward. KZN comes up with a strategy for a win-win situation, a well explained and clear strategy that will avoid seeing in-fights within the movement. Zuma as president and Motlante as deputy, while doing most of the President's work to groom him to become the next President, just like Mandela did to Mbeki.

This is a sound strategy only opposed by those who have narrow self ambitions and don't care about the future of the organization. They don't understand that without a compromise from either side, the organization is at stake.
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 222 days ago
Politics101

Your problem is that you have nothing to bring to the bargaining table. KZN is an epitome of political intolerance. Opposition to its elite is either eliminated, or driven out, if it cannot be 'absorbed' even through bribes (Mabuyakhulu, Cele & IFP). You had to hatchet up a poor individual like Zuma, to replace Mbeki, by manipulating his incompetence and corruption. Anyone who can be exchanged with an 'empty suit like Zuma, is not worth any vote at all, including that of a complete dud.

i_stub_born

Posted 222 days ago
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"""""If a deal is not found, we are likely to end up with a dead organisation on our hands....""""

......HA HA HA HA.......This organization has been dead for long time now. The only way they convince ignorant and uneducated 'voters-for-the-same-morons-with-different-costumes' is by recurring to their superstitious and ancestral beliefs: Vote for Zuma or the tokoloshes will come to bite your butt at night....Rent-a-reverend blessings on contrite faced fraudsters on their knees to receive a blessing from 'the Highest'........Fear to any opposition: "If you vote for them, you will loose your "disconnected from the main" toilet bowls "we" gave you for your "liberation"..........and so on and on............

Thespear

Posted 222 days ago
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Politics101: It is indeed political aturaity to engage on this issues, rather than being arrogant, however the reason that Motlanthe need some grooming is laghable, who groomed Zuma? The other reason, that Motlanthe at 63 is young, as compared to Zuma at 70, is confusing, to me at 70 Zuma, should be willing to step down, because he will be close to 77 when he retire, now is that not old... why do people want to govern at age above 75, is it lack of younger leaders or what. to me this has reached its sell by date. We need to elect leaders based on what they are prepared to do to uplift the standard of leaving for the poor, not to rule us using Ion fist and we must just elect them back purely because they are our siniors in both ANC and movement, No! thats wrong, we need radical shift and JZ is not providing that as we speak, untill he comes to the party and accomodates those opposing him, we will be in the same situation after Mangaung, and that will not help the ANC anyhow, Motlanthe will be 65 in 2014, and 69 in 2018, now that means he will be 74 when he complete his first term, so when are we going to talk of generational mix. KZN, might be acting maturely but their intentions does not benefit anyone except narrow tribal expediencies. JZ has done his part, allow him to step down, with dignity, and must be defended, to finish his term and enjoy his retirement, without any threat of court or whatsoever, but don't abuse JZ's genouracity, by forcing the old man, to continue when it is geting clearer and clearer that he will be blamed for all the mistakes just as Mbeki was...and the ANC is failing to direct goverment when it comes to policy direction, who will be blamed, Zuma, no man give Msholozi some bells we told many he will govern and indeed he is governing, now, we need to move forward and this time, is not gonna be easy, as we need economic change, and Zuma has said he promised the Queen the won't be any, so why set my charming president for falure... I might differ with some of his approaches politically, but I respect the fact that he is not as yet classified as worse....
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Robrt5Mugabe99

Posted 222 days ago
This gimmick of yours must be ashamed of it, firstly the Const of SA does nt discriminate people based on age , religion , color etc, no par you can quote that restricting age of Pres candidate. The Pres outlined his plans referring to Infrastructure Dev that will link SADEC region; budget has already been committed for this programme. Judging from your language its clear you are product of FYL terms like (tribalism,age,generational mix etc which does nt make sense meant to appease friends). The people will decide in Mongaung, we cant compromise our ANC for the sake of Malema.
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
Your argument is sound, however I would like you to go deeper and take a look at the style and the culture of the ANC. ANC is still a liberation party, governed as it has always been. It traditions and values has kept it going for years, against some odds sometimes. Changing a liberation party to a modern political party will require major policy shift and more than that, enough time.
ANC leaders are not appointed according to their education, age, sex, and numerous things like nowadays political parties. In ANC we value struggle heroes and therefore entrust them with positions to lead us. People like Zuma lost their time of education for our freedom. After serving in almost all the ranks in provincial and national government, it was suitable of him to be the first citizen.
During this current debate on leadership, people who hold the organization at heart will maintain that organization is bigger than Zuma or Motlante. ANC KZN has recognized the need to avoid a situation whereby by the organization will be divided once again, hence they invite their counterparts for leadership discussion. It won't be easy at this moment for Zuma to recuse himself, hence most of ANC members have come to terms with his second term ambitions. The agreement just after Polokwane was that Zuma may or may not take the second term, Zuma agreed to second term as Motlante shown no ambitions for Presidency.

The short-term solution will be between both Presidential Candidate to agree on terms, or allow Mangaung to decide, however they must make sure that they advise their fractions that, a loss must be swallowed and the organization move forward.

Makoya1zn

Posted 222 days ago
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As a card carrying member of the movement(ANC) i think trying to avoid what happened in Polokwane is a very smart move. I know people will critices the ANC of not doing anything but i beg to differ, they(ANC) have done a lot from the time they came to government but they could have done a lot more. As rational & level thinking people we must give credit to the ANC & fault them where they have gone wrong.

I think going to Mangaung with the same "Polowane tendency" will only make the ANC weak & more divided, so having said that i think the status quo should be retained with the exception of Mathews Phosa who is more a dividing factor in the movement then a unifier that he claims to be. I think moving forward the ANC needs to get rid of people like Phosa, Sexwale & co.

These are the same people who were left out in the cold during Mbeki's reign & now i understand why. Nobody can be bigger than our beloved movement. So comrades let's go to Mangaung & show these anti-ANC people that we can differ in opinions but we are able to put the movement first before individuals.

My ANC My Vision My Future
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
I think retaining most of the current leadership will cause less harm than removing the rest of them. I would personally agree that Zuma and Motlante retains their positions respectively. I wish to see an improved relationship between the two and as gentlemen must not allow friction mindset to cloud their decision making.

SuiGeneris

Posted 222 days ago
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''''My ANC My Vision My Future''''

Short sighted and bleak, I would say !
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Makoya1zn

Posted 222 days ago
Thank u for sharing your thoughts with me. Once again i thank you

dopla1967

Posted 222 days ago
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My dream ANC leadership is as follows:-

PRESIDENT : CYRIL RAMAPHOSA
DEPUTY PRESIDENT : NKOSAZANA DLAMINI ZUMA
SECRETARY GENERAL : JOEL NETSHITENDZE
DEPUTY SECRETARY GENERAL : ZWELINZIMA VAVI
TREASURER : TREVOR MANUEL
NATIONAL CHAIRPERSON : NALEDI PANDOR

I am telling you ANC can go places and govern this country until HE comes by the above principle comrades . I know it is just a dream.
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Bokwe_S'makuhleMAFUNA

Posted 222 days ago
What a nice dream! Aren't we dreamers all, to even believe politics or politicians will ever solve the problems they cause? Our problem is that we are such dreamers!
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 222 days ago
Bump Joel up to Deputy President and Naledi up to Secretary General then lose No-Vat-Vavi completely and I'd vote for that line up.
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
Ai!! Comrade, Naledi Pando with her American accent? Vavi, who will look after Cosatu and challenge the government?

Most of your preferences are great but I will rather retain Mbete

Makoya1zn

Posted 222 days ago
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@SuiGeneris

Short sighted and bleak, I would say !
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As short sighted as it was decades ago when we said we will remove white supremacy from power?
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SuiGeneris

Posted 222 days ago
A mere 18 years ago something happened in SA, that has never happened anywhere else in the world. This has never before or since.

The government of the day handed control over to a new government on a silver platter.

A financially sound government and municipalities with everything ticking like a Swiss watch.

Today this government are threatening to collapse for many obvious reasons.

That is if you are bright enough to realize what they are man enough to admit that it is failure.
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SuiGeneris

Posted 222 days ago
''This has never before or since.'' = Something that has never happened before or since.
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Makoya1zn

Posted 222 days ago

@ SuiGeneris

You wrote:The government of the day handed control over to a new government on a silver platter.

Don't lie to me. Why did we have elections if was handed over on a silver platter as u put it. We simply outnumber the white supremacy in the polls so don't lie to me.

You wrote:A financially sound government and municipalities with everything ticking like a Swiss watch


Yet again, don't lie to me there was no handing over of anything on a silver platter. The country was in sanctions & economy was was getting worse. That is why they(Imperialists) ran with all the money & left the country on a brink of economic collapse. So, again don't lie.

Yes everything was working like a Switch watch if u were WHITE but the majority were suffering.

Don't come here with your lies.
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SuiGeneris

Posted 222 days ago
Your ignorance is astounding ! There was a ''yes'' or ''no'' referendum !

Not an election !
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SuiGeneris

Posted 222 days ago
''''''A referendum on ending apartheid was held in South Africa on 17 March 1992. The referendum was limited to white voters, who were asked whether or not they supported the negotiated reforms begun by State President F.W. de Klerk two years earlier, in which he proposed to end the apartheid system that had been started in 1948. The result of the election was a large victory for the "yes" side, which ultimately resulted in apartheid being lifted.''''''
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Mshin'wam

Posted 222 days ago

Sui Gnereris is lying again.

Have you ever wondered had you not voted "yes" what would have happened, or did the white media not mentioned what the whole world knew?
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
@SuiGeneris

With all due respect, Apartheid Government was defeated by our heroes and heroines who fought tirelessly and some of them died a painful death, leaving behind widows and orphans. It is something most of South Africans wish to forget but it will take more than a generation. The shadows of apartheid ghost are still sweeping around us and will forever be, if there are still people like you among us.
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Makoya1zn

Posted 222 days ago
@Politics101

Well said my comrade. These people are resiliant when it comes to change & as we did in 1994 we are going to continue in Gov until jesus comes back.
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Darwin_Rules

Posted 222 days ago
Bad News for South Africa, he is not coming back

Thespear

Posted 222 days ago
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The idea is good, but let's not compromise the ANC,

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 222 days ago
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George Bush Jr. was a dunce, though an educated one. Everyone said so, in no uncertain terms, but the Americans voted him into power, twice. Because their ego does not allow them to listen to 'inferior' nations. The result is that Obama has had to spend a whole term mopping up the mess, which is now threatening his re-election.

Zuma is both a dud and an uneducated one. Every ANC member knows this, but their ego may prevent them in listening to good advice. The problem is that his successor may never have any chance to recover the country from his rampant corruption.
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
Comparing the incomparable. Style of governing between SA and US is very different. The way we choose our leaders is different, powers given to our Presidents are not the same. It is same with SA and other African countries. Eastern countries have their way, different from US and Africa.

Being a president doesn't necessarily mean you have to be educated, but you have to be clever and updated. Mugabe is arguably the most educated President in Africa and arguably the worse President. People like you believe education is only attained in the classroom, so being brainwashed by imperialist. It means our forefathers were doom because there were no western education during their times. I feel sorry for you.
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i_stub_born

Posted 222 days ago
.....ha ha ha......comparing the incomparable yes.......(arguably) democracy in the west with (inevitable) "democrazy" in Third world Africa SA chapter, where it means : "Be free to vote only for me".........

and so the "maximal representative of your persona" does not need to be educated, neither western nor eastern nor have even common sense.........you deserve your leader..............
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DanielMaartens

Posted 214 days ago
Let the truth prevail. I have this feeling that deep down every possible successor sends up a quiet prayer not to be nominated. No sane-minded person would wish to expose himself to clean up this political/socialogical abortion.

dopla1967

Posted 222 days ago
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If Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma is not available because of her new job in AU, please elect Gill Marcus from Reserve Bank.

mrreece12

Posted 222 days ago
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The current ANC is afraid of change. Two things must be noted, those in power especially in the provinces whats to retain power, and move up the ladder smoothly, even if it means compromising the liberation movement, and the correct leadership for the current phase of national democratic revolution. The Zuma leadership has not managed to deliver on polokwane resolutions, Has failed to be an inspiration to the nation, with no initiatives to unite our country and ANC itself. Zuma sympathizers are pulling" Madiba card" in terms of age, and we all know that it was special case, we don't need a president with less functionality. The interesting part with Mr. Motlanthe is the people who support him, the problem is the trend of tyranny which the display. with Motlanthe, ANC will birth state tyrannic control. Hence, ANC must just elect a new faces such as Jeff Radebe, Cyril Ramaposa, JOEL NETSHITENDZE, Collins Chabane, and so forth. These are guys of inspiration, motivation, implementation, strategy, concrete leadership,ETC they will offer ANC with sense of purpose and reignite the fire of struggle. ANC don't just change leadership but change with a brilliant leadership.

Gibraltar

Posted 222 days ago
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Whoever said that, "History Repeats itsself" was a good judge of earthly activity. Are the voting masses of the ANC to 4500 all so lost. I can remember before 2007 when Mbeki wanted to be ANC president and Zuma be SA president, he was told 2 centres of power would undermine or work against each other at times. NOW, they are willing to do the same as they so vigorously refused. They said they did not want Mbeki becuase he was aloof and not close to the people and wanted him out. R203 million for "the New York City of KZN" (Nkandla); Someone please look up aloof in the dictionaries, encyclopaedia's............. Just based on these FACTS, Zuma is not only aloof but very far from SA's reality and hence the voters. Patrice Motsepe blushes when he hears how much Zuma's compound could cost compared to all Motsepe's cars and houses, shoes,clothes value.

Stirrer

Posted 222 days ago
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LOL at Zapiro!

Thespear

Posted 222 days ago
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SuiGeneris: You must have been in a comma, for the past 18 years, welcome back? The goverment you talking abot had no money, niks, fokol, It was the ANC goverment that ensured we firstly has to pay, for some settlers credits, which they accumulated to opress us, those lies are only working in Afrikaner camps, you ll be a joke if you keep sharing such lies with such confident, no white man will have agreed to negotiate, if he had money, in his bank, but alas boercamps politics, has managed to lie to some, that they gave goverment on silver platter just to keep their ego's of being superior, to no one, in balance... Tell that to your kids for they deserve some ego boosting, the ANC has made SA work, and it will keep doing so in the future, whther under Zuma or Motlanthe, white supriority is the mind of white clowns,
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i_stub_born

Posted 222 days ago
...the Minstrel of Public Works, a clown defending the indefensible outrageous overspending for Zuma's own Palace of Puke-ing-ham......

....SAA mismanaged and indebted up to the crotch rewarded with more new cadres ready to plunder the company.......

...Simelane's appointment by Zuma, invalid by the ConCourt........

...Strikes and chaos and destruction while the ANC struggles to find the new Mafia-Capo-di-tutti-Capi to continue the pilferage.....

......Education in Limpopo fails to deliver textbooks, even when the year ends. (Limpopo's MEC for Hedukeyshun attends private school. No doubt Angie 0,8 marvel is proud)....

Summed up the order of scandals hitting the country by J Malala yesterday, we can say the ANC has made SA work.....towards its grave.......

My ANC......My
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Politics101

Posted 222 days ago
With all its faults ANC government is still better by miles to the imperialist government. White people are angry because they no longer get the luxury they used to under their imperialist govt.
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i_stub_born

Posted 222 days ago
.........which, unfortunately you being black (african I assume) reinforces the perception that the majority black africans are and will remain slaves under different masters (occidental and accidental white, chinese, arab, etc) for who knows how long time and for their own will...........