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Sat May 18 21:52:23 SAST 2013

Army honours to be dumped?

GRAEME HOSKEN | 17 October, 2012 00:1912 Comments
South African regiments with a name linking them to the colonial era, such as the Transvaal Scottish, might be forced to adopt a more politically correct name. This uniform of the regiment is on display at the Military History Museum, Johannesburg Picture: DANIEL BORN

Fears are mounting that South Africa's pre-democracy military history could be wiped out if ulterior motives are allowed to drive the name changes of dozens of army regiments.

The concerns are being voiced as the team driving the proposed name changes of 67 reserve army regiments nears the end of its work.

It is feared that, along with name changes, affected regiments will lose their colours [flags], battle honours and badges, all of which define a regiment.

The name-change project, said SA Army chief Lieutenant-General Vusumuzi Masondo, is due for completion in March. The project, code-named Phoenix, which began in 2003, called for affected regiments to suggest new names for their units last year.

Masondo said the changes were aimed at revitalising the defence force.

"Though this is a sensitive issue . a requirement exists to reflect the new historic balance in unit names and military traditions."

Military analyst Helmoed Heitman was cautious of the name changes.

"The National Party made the same mistake pre-1994. The government is now on the same path," he said.

He said the argument that the names of regiments had to be changed because they were reminiscent of apartheid and South Africa's colonial past was "ridiculous".

"History cannot be rewritten by changing a name. History has to be acknowledged," he said.

Heitman said: "The loss of a regiment's colours would be disastrous. If this happens, units would lose their entire history and everything that defined them."

He said regiments had apparently been advised to choose "less objectionable" names, "which is completely childish".

"There are many members of the affected regiments - black and white - who joined the regiments because of their history and what they stood for in terms of honour and tradition."

Godfrey Giles, chairman of the Council of Military Veterans' Organisations, dismissed Heitman's concerns.

He said the move was not intended to eradicate South Africa's military history.

Giles said the plan was to remove offensive terms associated with the past to ensure the representation of all South Africans.

He said the entire process was a "melting pot" of ideas and no final decisions had been taken.

Giles said those driving the process were looking at numerous solutions, including naming units after politicians, "as has been done in the past".

"The team is looking at possibly renaming regiments after ethnic names, geographical names - such as changing Natal Mounted Rifles to KwaZulu-Natal Mounted Rifles and after famous South African battles," Giles said.

He said, given the country's rich military history, the process was being carefully thought through.

"There are efforts to ensure, wherever possible, the preservation of South Africa's proud military history."

His organisation supported the building of traditions for the new South Africa.

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Mike123

Posted 213 days ago
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Yeah! Change the name of the Transvaal Scottish to Zuma's Zulus.

SuiGeneris

Posted 213 days ago
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'''....He said, given the country's rich military history, the process was being carefully thought through....''

Which means.....We have already made up our minds and will start the implementation as soon as possible.....

It is evident that we have a new apartheid government !

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 213 days ago
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Is the tradition and pride in a unit not linked to its history?

rahima

Posted 213 days ago
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What do they know? They are only freedom fighters who have never been in a real war.

They were fornicating in camps far away from the action. Proof is the AIDS they brought back with them after 1992.

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 213 days ago
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Someone once said that one thing in common between the very powerful and the very stupid is that they don't alter their views to fit the facts. "They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering". Just try to link "the plan was to remove offensive terms associated with the past to ensure the representation of all South Africans", and "changing Natal Mounted Rifles to KwaZulu-Natal Mounted Rifles", and one can safely say that this proves both "very powerful" and very stupid" rolled in one.
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SuiGeneris

Posted 213 days ago
Where does priorities fit in ?

With this I mean....How many millions was spent on name changes in SA over the last few years ?

Buildings, streets, provinces, cities, and towns were given new names and even statues were removed because they were ''offensive''

It is so easy to rename anything, but there are tremendous hidden costs involved as a spin-off resulting from these actions.

Working hours lost due to address changes, confusion on addresses, GPS maps that have become redundant etc. etc.

Back to priorities.... How many RDP houses could have been built that all money ?
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MicaParis

Posted 213 days ago
M1si2zi3nzo4
"They alter the facts to fit their views''
That statement ibid is meticulously true; I serve in advisory councils and committees in both private sector and government sector as well ANC legal policy and economic development wing. Unlike in private sector, in government and in the ANC, when we advice we are forced by political heads to plan around defending their corrupt nepotistic and politically biased ideas, to the extent that we spend sleepless nights trying to draft legislations to justify political looting and protecting corruption through legal means, is a very painful exercise as we have to force something which is totally not possible through political duress, during Thabo Mbeki era, we struggled a lot to justify the constitutional validity test in order to fit BEE Act and affirmative action through constitutional validity test on equality clause precisely on different classes of people, the question which we legally failed to interpret and justify.
I told Penuel Maduna that as far as BEE Act and affirmative action are concerned, how are we going to differentiate between black and white people who were born after the inception of the interim constitution hence they were equal for all intent and purpose? We did not have an answer but now that is a catastrophe and the BEE Act and affirmative action rules must be redefined as they had since lost real meaning and purpose. But however the issue was not to help ordinary people but to find a legal way to enrich the elite few!
Now I am faced with Zuma again, where we have to find a constitutional validity tactical fit to the controversial information bill which failed a constitutional validity test for all intend and purpose, precisely on freedom of expression and transparency, I told Jeff Radebe that if we delete the sections that the Concourt ordered us to delete, the legislation will totally lose its meaning as it will be a duplication of PAIA as such the bill should be totally abandoned as it is totally unlawful and eventually will be abrogated by disuse!
Now Zuma tasked us to see how we can amend the constitutional clauses on freedom of expression and transparency so that the Bill can pass constitutional validity test!

Politics are too far from being fair!! In the world of politics no ''man'' is perfect!
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 213 days ago
"how we can amend the constitutional clauses on freedom of expression and transparency" If this is how you have to earn your living, you may live your material life fully, but destroy the rest of your procreation. It is through weakness and narrow limits of human reason and capacity, that the future is always mortgaged, to live the present falsehood.
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MicaParis

Posted 212 days ago
M1si2zi3nzo4
If a person have morals and natural justice, it is very difficult to work with especially ANC politicians! Despite being senior members of the movement, the president does not necessarily listen to us, until we become what he is, in order to make things right!
But however it is very painful for the likes of Mbalula and Gigaba as young people to be swept by the desires and luxuries of greed and extravagance associated with the ''robben island dung''!
There is nothing legal, M1si2zi3nzo4, as long as it does not fit the ''king pin'' but what is fair is only fair because the president says is fair but what is wrong will always be fair as long as it fits the ''person''/ hollow suit in charge. Mandela did it by appointing Mbeki as the president without any democratic means. He just stood up in Mafikeng and say ‘’Mbeki my President’’, everybody clapped hands without any question! Mbeki did lot of things alone without consulting anyone, now Zuma is following in the same footsteps. Autocracy is African culture even if is done through the eyes of democracy!

MicaParis

Posted 213 days ago
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This is just another waste of money and relevant resources! The ANC must understand that changing anything which smells the aroma of being an Afrikaner related or based is not solving or ensuring the false freedom of which taste like sour for 89% of our population.
Freedom through the eyes of modern democracy means clean none corrupt government which means immaculate delivery of services which include but not limited to delivery of *text books*, sanitation, jobs and adequate housing.
Changing only Afrikaner names will never be freedom but only to lunatics who miss targets as far as managing and administering government is concerned, do we have really have to show the world how far stupid we are by really spending 1.8 billion of our budget of name changing whilst children are still studying under the trees moreover without any text books!?
Clearly we lack natural intellects in our government that can technically and tactically plan to lead our government.
A fool will lose tomorrow trying foolishly to reach out for yesterday, I pray to our God almighty to instigate wisdom into the heads of our top elite government brigades to realise how much they waste state funds for none service delivery prospects which will never improve the lives of our people.
Our ANC comrades needs serious divine intervention, please comrades, leadership is not all about looting government funds in order to have money and boost about having sex with all the women of colours but a wisdom and moral compass that must leave every compatriot smiling and appreciative when talking about leaders, a leader who is perpetually blamed by the people he leads should just resign because of failure to serve the interests of those he leads!

ER2

Posted 213 days ago
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I suspect, that with the current state of the armed forces, that previously proud regiments probably would prefer not to be associated with the SANDF ...

AlexNagel

Posted 212 days ago
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The Armed Forces hardly have money to survive yet they are hellbent on re-writing history and removing the proud history of these noble regiments. I really cannot see the logic in removing from these regiments the very symbols that people fought under during campaigns and that their members and this nation are so proud of. How demotivating for the members of these regiments. It is to be hoped that they stand up to this forced removal of their pride and fight bravely to maintain their histories and symbols.