Zuma tapes a 'secret'
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The controversial spy tapes that got President Jacob Zuma off the hook on corruption charges do exist but will not be released to anyone - in spite of a court ruling.
Michael Hulley, Zuma's lawyer, yesterday conceded for the first time that he was in possession of the 2009 spy tapes and transcripts, but boldly stated that he would not part with them.
The existence and authenticity of the tapes have been in question since April 2009, when the NPA claimed that it had listened to them. Many, including the DA, have doubted the existence of the tapes or, if they exist, their veracity.
In March, the Supreme Court of Appeal ruled that the National Prosecuting Authority must release reduced transcripts of the tapes to the DA.
But yesterday, citing a 2009 confidentiality agreement between Zuma and the NPA, Hulley said the argument for not providing the transcripts was simple.
"When we made the representations we sought an undertaking from the NPA to say we would like to make certain portions in confidence. There was an acceptance, with nothing from the SCA frowning on this.
"There was no . SCA ruling to say it was ill-advised for the NPA to entertain such representations," he said.
In April 2009, the then acting national director of public prosecutions, Mokotedi Mpshe, dropped corruption charges relating to bribes Zuma allegedly received after Hulley made representations to the NPA. This paved the way for Zuma to become president.
Hulley labelled insinuations that the tapes did not exist as "preposterous".
He said: "This would imply terrible fraud that the NPA engaged in with Zuma and all the lawyers. Coupled with the fact that the NPA engaged with various government agencies, this would make the [NPA] complicit to fraud."
He argued that the involvement of two government agencies, the National Intelligence Agency and the Scorpions, plus a lack of denial by those mentioned in the tapes, demonstrated their authenticity.
In its case in the appeal court, the DA argued that the spy tapes and the controversy around the way in which the charges against Zuma were subsequently dropped could be put to rest if the matter were deliberated in court.
The tapes allegedly consist of recordings of former Scorpions boss Leonard McCarthy and former director of public prosecutions Bulelani Ngcuka discussing the charging of Zuma with fraud and corruption.
But, said Hulley: "In our letter to the NPA we upheld our contention that this remains confidential."
In an affidavit filed last month, acting head of the NPA Nomgcobo Jiba said Hulley had had the tapes since April and the NPA could not be held in contempt of court for not giving them to the DA.
On Friday, Hulley filed a notice stating that Zuma would not file an affidavit opposing the DA's application. Instead, he would argue the merits of the application in court.
"The only issue that shall be addressed is whether the court order . requires the production of the material sought in this application . this is simply an interpretation of the order."
DA MP James Selfe said yesterday that the party would discuss with its lawyers today what to do next.
"How can [the tapes] possibly be the property of the president's attorney? How can he claim ownership of the tapes if he has no legal right to them?" he said.
Selfe said the agreement referred to by Hulley was never the subject of the pleadings.
"What they refer to is that, during the SCA hearing, when we argued the issue of the reduced records, advocate Kemp J Kemp, who represented Zuma, said he wanted to see everything before anything was released to see if it referred to the representations made to discontinue the prosecution.
"This is not a confidentiality agreement. If it was, it would have been the very first thing advanced as a line of argument," Selfe said.
Wits Centre for Applied Legal Studies head Bonita Meyersfeld said: "Zuma's camp will use every possible means to delay the release of the information - be it through the courts or politically."
Zuma had until now operated within the law, Meyersfeld said.
"This is not about a country run by demi-gods. It is about power and its natural consequences. If the allegations against Zuma are true. it is unacceptable that he is in government, but the processes under way must be followed."


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Posted 201 days agoSecretVoice
Posted 201 days agoPRADO
Posted 201 days agomcritic
Posted 201 days agoThe tapes they made in fact relates to alleged discussions between government officials about the Zuma issue - nothing to do with what originally was applied for to court. The Government than handed the tapes obtained through false pretenses and probably handed over illegally to a private individual in the fom of the legal representative of Zuma. Now the tapes is secret because of a confidentiality agreement.
So a confidentiality agreement takes precedent over the Constitution and laws of the country? That type of argument seems to me to be a direct challenge to honest and open governance. I have really serious misgivings about that as a bais on which major legal decisions are based - for instance if it is used to cover up alleged criminal activity.
Why is it that such an issue is used in the way it was? I would say that Davids' lawyers will have a field day on that one - and it is likely that he would be awarded massive compensation and we as taxpapyers would have to foot the bill.
RedCoat
Posted 201 days agoI was always under the inmpression that when a supreme court orderd something to be done, it gets done, hulley and zuma are in contempt plain and simple!
Release the damn transcripts already!
JohnDoe
Posted 201 days agoThe sooner Zuma goes the better, my only worry is he will be replaced by some one just as bad
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 201 days agoAWA
Posted 201 days agoHow many brainless people will vote for this man and his party in 2014?
When the President does not uphold the law then why sould South Africans?
The country is now trully on its knees.
m1si2zi3nzo4
SuiGeneris
About 65 % of 50 000 000 simply because high morals and integrity means absolutely nothing in Africa.
l984
Posted 201 days agoAt this point it is them against everyone and everything else.
Bongzar
Posted 201 days agobuddi
rahima
Posted 201 days ago"Hulley labelled insinuations that the tapes did not exist as "preposterous".
He said: "This would imply terrible fraud that the NPA engaged in with Zuma and all the lawyers. Coupled with the fact that the NPA engaged with various government agencies, this would make the [NPA] complicit to fraud.""
Not preposterous at all to believe that they could ALL be complicit under 783's corrupt dealings going back at least to Shabby Shake. If you are a boy, show us, prove it.
l984
This interesting statement sounds slightly ambiguous. Is there a hidden message in it?
m1si2zi3nzo4
Stating the obvious does not make it any milder. In the public mind the biggest fraud of all times, is the ascendance of a person to the top due to false evidence, not tested in a court of law. In essence, it is a fraudulent presidency, which he imposed on the citizens.
andmuchmore
Posted 201 days agoRedCoat
ChwamaMahlulo
Black-Moses
Black-Moses
Posted 201 days agoER2
Posted 201 days agoThere is no other option, no little lawyer is above a court ruling.
Mercenary
Posted 201 days agoMike123
Posted 201 days agobuddi
mbongwa=m
Posted 201 days agombongwa=m
You spot on bra but it's shame for the country and i really which someone can save us before it's too late.
Black-Moses
I fully agree with you on this one, but again as in your earlier comment, what is politics..nepotism!
Gedleyihlekiza
Of course you are right but however is vital to show the blind politicians the ''direction'' even though we know that they are hiding under the government shade/ ''our'' tax funds to dodge hunger and poverty! That is why they do not care that much about accountability and responsibility! All ANC cadres are hungry paupers who are gesturing as Cabinet members to ''eat'' and ''go'', that is all!
Black-Moses
The only way to show the blind politicians the right direction, is to remove them from public office through the ballot box.
mbongwa=m
I so wish you were at Transkei in 1994 when i told the ANC to stop using social grants to gain votes, they nearly killed me i could see then that they were planting wrong seeds to my people. I'm just glad that the ANC will never take back the western cape and they shall govern where they are needed.
danny.archer3
Posted 201 days agoWhy is that "preposterous"?
RSA.MommaCyndi
Posted 201 days agoIf Ngcuka or McCarthy objected, then I could understand it (the tapes are essentially illegal tapping of their phones) but to have someone who wasn't even participating in the conversation to object is just beyond crazy.
danny.archer3
Posted 201 days agoWHY? Did you give them to him??
RSA.MommaCyndi
That is a good point. If you give a 'secret' government document/tape to a newspaper, you get into jail. It seems like this 'secret' document/tape is now not so secret anymore as it is being passed around to people who haven't even got security clearance, let alone a valid reason for having it.
danny.archer3
RSA.MommaCyndi
SA - alive with possibilities.
buddi
JohnGalt
Posted 201 days agoDonaldKnight
DonaldKnight
Wort
danny.archer3
Posted 201 days agom1si2zi3nzo4
danny.archer3
In this case, it is one and the same thing.
Gedleyihlekiza
@Gedleyihlekiza Then why are you a member, if they are enemies of humanity?
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ANC is very broad Danny but however crooks such as Cele and Zuma over power certain comrades like us who have the interests of the people and country at heart! Zuma could have kicked me out when he arrived at the Presidency for being a Mbeki cohort but there was no body to draft Policies and Green Papers for ANC and nobody who understand ''constitutional validity tests''/ law, like I do as such they were compelled to keep and work with me!
I tell you Danny we will work very hard to protect section 1(d), 74(1) (a) and (b) and 88(2) of the constitution which are dealing with bills amending the constitution, multiparty democracy and two presidential terms as Zuma tasked us to find a ''loophole'' to amend those sections. I am a ''Mandela'' supporter as such still in ''government'' precisely to protect those sections only! I will even SABOTAGE the ANC just to protect those sections, they are our future and pillar of strength! There is no use to support and advocate obvious wrong antics Danny, is very painful indeed.
People realised that our mighty ANC is in the process of extinction whilst at it, they want to eat and enrich themselves with the mighty ''green and gold'' before they send the ANC down from the cliff into eternal extinction!
RSA.MommaCyndi
danny.archer3
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 201 days agobuddi
Posted 201 days agom1si2zi3nzo4
What?
Posted 201 days agoRoll on a real democracy. We have now suffered 70 years of corrupt governance.
DonaldKnight
Spitfire
Posted 201 days agoDonaldKnight
Mangqeshane
Posted 201 days ago