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Sun May 19 09:43:28 SAST 2013

Angie slams parents

DENISE WILLIAMS | 08 November, 2012 00:08
Angie Motshekga. File photo.
Image by: Lauren Mulligan / Gallo Images

Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga has told Northern Cape parents that their children's sex lives are their business and they should stop expecting her department to solve their problems.

In a sharply worded lecture on parental rights and duties, Motshekga told parents at a National Council of Provinces meeting in De Aar that they could not "pass the buck" to her department when their children fell pregnant or became substance abusers.

The minister - who came under fire this year for the closure of schools in Northern Cape because of service-delivery protests, and for the Limpopo textbook scandal - laid the blame for pupils' behaviour firmly at the door of communities and parents.

"Teenage pregnancy is a problem imported to schools by homes and the community. [But] it's a department problem for us," she said.

"They don't make sex at schools; they make sex at homes.

"This is a problem, there's something wrong that it now becomes my problem.

"We don't provide beds; we provide pens and books," she said.

Motshekga said that, instead of bringing their concerns to the Department of Basic Education during parliamentary hearings, parents and teachers should have sorted out their problems with their school's governing body.

A Statistics SA study this year revealed that 160754 schoolgirls became pregnant between July 2008 and July 2010.

In response to a parliamentary question in May about the number of pregnancies, Motshekga said "school-based sexuality" was included in the life orientation curriculum and her department was compiling regulations on pupil pregnancies to help schools deal with the problem.

Motshekga's sharp rebuke yesterday was prompted by appeals from parents who want sex education at schools to be improved.

A mother from Colesberg said teenagers were being forced to leave school because of pregnancy and unsympathetic teachers.

Motshekga said that though she agreed that sex education was crucial at school, her department could not provide contraceptives to pupils without their parents' consent.

"We can't give your kids condoms and we can't go and give them prevention tablets without the permission of parents," she said.

But, at the opening of a school mobile clinic in Cullinan last month, President Jacob Zuma urged parents not to "shy away from talking about sex" and said contraceptives, including condoms, would be made available to pupils.

Some Northern Cape parents complained yesterday about alcohol abuse by teachers and pupils in schools across the province.

"The teachers are also drunk and there's corporal punishment where they use pipes and fists. The children are dropping out now," a parent said.

A teacher complained that her colleagues were often drunk and, even after having rehabilitation treatment, came to work at the school reeking of alcohol.

But Motshekga washed her hands of this problem, too, saying it had to be dealt with by school governing bodies, not by her department.

Northern Cape education MEC Grizelda Cjiekella asked why the department was blamed for violence in schools.

"We [the community] don't want to take responsibility. People allow their children to go to a tavern and when they get stabbed it's the Department of Education's problem. We must not pass the buck," said Cjiekella.

But COPE member of the Northern Cape provincial legislature Fezile Kies said he was appalled by the minister's comments, calling her "rude".

"As COPE, we would have expected the minister to emphasise the importance of life orientation and social skilling of the children in the care of the education system," he said.

Motshekga slammed the presence of teachers and of children in school uniform at the gathering yesterday.

"Teachers must be in class teaching ... That's why I asked the event organisers to say children are supposed to be at school, they are not supposed to be here. And that's something we are trying to say everywhere; we must protect teaching time.

"Between 8am and 3pm nothing must be happening besides learning and teaching."

Just because the National Council of Provinces was "in town" should not mean no schooling took place, said Motshekga.

Kies said there was no room for Motshekga's personal views regarding the presence of teachers at the meeting.

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Mike123

Posted 192 days ago
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I never thought that this would ever happen, but I, for once, agree with Angie.
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SuiGeneris

Posted 192 days ago
True Mike - All education should start at a very early age - AT HOME !
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DonaldKnight

Posted 191 days ago
Mike123
Me, too! Too many parental responsibilities are being left to the teachers. And those underperforming drunkards should just be fired...why hasn't it been done already?

Good2go

Posted 192 days ago
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"We provide pens and books" Really? Not too sure about the books.

Stirrer

Posted 192 days ago
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...except if your teachers are causing some pregnancies, or if schools are being used for sexcapades!

andmuchmore

Posted 192 days ago
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spot on each and every parent must look after at his/her child. we see school children in school uniforms at and 17.00 PM. does that mean the dept is must account on that

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 192 days ago
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Way back in the stone age, when I was a kid, you went to school and the school acted as your parents whilst you were there. Teachers didn't ignore kids boinking on the soccer field, they didn't send kids out to buy a few beers for them, they didn't employ pedophiles, they didn't dare come to school drunk, they didn't let you wonder in and out of the grounds at 10am, they didn't allow 'matchbox' salesmen to trade behind the bicycle shed, they didn't sit in the staffroom and ignore kids getting raped in the toilets - they were present and accountable with the same standards that the best of parents would have.

No, Angie can't follow the kids around and she isn't responsible for what their parents teach them ,,,,, BUT ..... whilst those kids are on the school premises, they ARE her responsibility.

I shudder to think that a person who is a mother could show such complete lack of compassion. Does she not realise that her children will deal with the consequences of this too? How many more 'lost generations' can this country stand before everything goes titzup?
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 191 days ago
More like it. And parents did not have to bother about children bunking, because the whole society was functional. Theirs was only one spoke in the wheel - going to work, and paying school fees - and leaving the whole school environment to the qualified, and those who understood it enough to make sound decisions.
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wong

Posted 191 days ago
I hear that alot - education system and standards were better 'in the old days'....discipline existed, teachers were on time, and books were avaiable at the start of the year.

Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 192 days ago
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The joke of not delivering tax books must still be funny to the president and Basic Education minister. Despite all the sympathy and sacrifice, the joke is on all South Africans and the national democratic revolution, which so many people are still waiting for. The government continue to make their brazen denials, against all available evidence but however on the issue of early pregnancy I fully support the Minister on that one, there is nothing she can do about that. The issue is an exclusive area of parenting at close range not at far range where the Minister cannot reach. Even if you can take a horse to the river and make it stand in the middle of the river if it does not want to drink it will never drink! Our children are addicted to ‘’things’’ which are not for their age because of the immaculate technology and TV materials which are not suitable to young children whilst at it, internet is the deadliest killer of our kids, instead of using internet to study, they use it otherwise!?

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 191 days ago
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Its tragic that the nation has to rely on people with single brain to develop its intellectual capacity. People like Angie see the the world as a myriad of single, unrelated events. Tragically, the nation's DNA depends on the functions they control, without understanding the link between installing and propping up a dunce to control the nation as a single system. Their single interest is to grab what they can, to satiate their present passions. Every event is a single hole in the field, and not the whole golf course.

No one is able to made the connection between installing an uneducated president, who was charged with raping his 'best friend's' daughter, and whose utterances about unprotected sex are legend. There is a disconnect between the actions of the children and their parents from her pronouncements about the importance of education a few years ago; the EC collapse of education; the Limpopo and other provinces' book delivery saga.

FezileMadikizela

Posted 191 days ago
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"We don't provide beds; we provide pens and books," she said

m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 191 days ago
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Networking, an old practice, where the teacher would pick up every problem affecting a child's learning capability, and address it directly with a parent, has been found to be a valuable instrument, 'scientifically'. But a functioning society is essential for it to work. It has been proven to produce much larger gains for a unit increase in resources, including reduction in the negative impact of 'black' students, including that of noncertified teachers - much relevant to our situation. Tell the ANC and SADTU about that, and you dead meat, instantly.

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 191 days ago
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After paying all these kids to have kids, who's responsibility is it to make sure that they have the best possible options for progressing in life?

Not all kids come from the 'right side of the railway lines' and not all kids have the option of a Model C schooling. We throw those kids under the bus at our own peril. (quite apart from the pure inhumanity of it) It is OUR children who will sit with the consequences.

If schools are not the haven of discipline, manners, cleanliness, high standards and good morals then where are those kids from the 'wrong' families going to learn that there is an alternative to the way they are brought up? The cycle will just continue until the 'wrong side of the railway line' explodes onto this side of the railway line. By then, it is going to be far too late to do anything about it.
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Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 191 days ago
The moral fiber within a certain nucleus of our society is completely dead Momma, let us take a good example with Gauteng using Eldoradopark, Soweto, Sandton, Lenasia and Muldersdrift, check all those communities and tell me which pinnacle of society is having lot of child pregnancy and we will get answers as of which part of our society is seriously ill and need immediate help! A thing called ''leadership'' is an extreme component of a society, once a society lack in that essence than the whole country will be doomed! We cannot afford to solve our social ills by creating mechanisms which will always encourage chronic moral compass whilst we try hard to instill discipline and moral cleanness, that in its self is our serious moral contradiction!
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SuiGeneris

Posted 191 days ago
Yet another change in alias and avatar.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 191 days ago
banned again, Mica?

The problem is ACCOUNTABILITY - or rather the complete lack thereof
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Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 191 days ago
Sui Generis
Your opinion! There is nothing disgusting in South African politics like telling certain component of our politicians the truth and dark secrets about their corrupt affairs, once you do that you will always be a victim, certain individuals will always be left out because of their social background and political affiliation whilst others will always be crucified and persecuted for the very same reasons. But we all live in South Africa, the fact of which is one of the rare unique feature of our society, that in itself is a serious concern and social ailment which will forever divide our true unity in diversity which the Government of National Unity tried to give it to us equally!
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SuiGeneris

Posted 191 days ago
No opinion was offered - merely an observation - Thanks for confirming though !
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Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 191 days ago
RSA.MommaCyndi
No, we do not have accountability in any ''form'' of politics but loyalty!

SuiGeneris
Call it acknowledgement not confirmation but I guess that is your observation nevertheless we still have a long way to go in as far as respect and abeyance of freedom of expression and speech are concerned, all our institutions are not liberal on those two aspects!

skhokho21

Posted 191 days ago
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I teach my child how to handle himself, at home, outside and at school to make the job of a teacher much easier. You cannot expect teachers to do over & above their jobs to teach your kids not to smoke, have sex (home/school), drink alcohol and do drugs. During my primary & high school, the gov of the day Momma was not supplying us with books and if we were lucky we would share 1 book among a group of 4, our parents had to buy us writing books, teachers were also allowed to discipline kids for various misconducts but becoz of democracy, they can`t touch these kids today or they end up behind bars. Let us not compare this gov to the previous one, situations were not the same. Angie, I am with you on this one, parents should take full responsibility for their kids.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 191 days ago
I am not comparing governments at all. I am comparing school experiences.

Remember the days when a kid who was bunking got hauled to school (by the ear) by a local tsotsi? Remember the days when it would be beyond shocking to have a drunk teacher or a teacher who was having sex with students? Remember when a family was HORRIFIED if their teenage daughter came home pregnant? Remember the days when a kid would never dare to smoke or drink whist in school uniform?

The idea that 'it takes a village to raise a child' has gone. What do you think could bring it back and do we leave children from that 'other' village to sink just because we feel morally superior to them?

skhokho21

Posted 191 days ago
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Momma, my problem is blaming Angie or gov, we need to take responsibility as parents, we need to take away the over the top freedom given to these kids. These days kids can go to a SAPS & claim abuse against parents for any reason and society cannot touch them as well because of the very same freedom we wanted. I was at Multichoice last Monday, there was this huge Nigerian guy shouting at the ladies in the front desk, the place was full and could not take it any more becoz he was about to get physical, I told him, in this country we don`t treat women like that and if he was not happy with her service he should ask for a supervisor & report her. My point is we need to stand up, that is what is missing these days.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 191 days ago
What about the kids who don't have the good fortune to be born into the right family? There, but for grace, goes your child.

Yes, we are very fortunate in SA that the majority does still have good morals, that isn't the sector of the population where our problems are going to come from. The kids from good homes with good manners are not the ones who will be populating our country. It will be the 30 year old dropout who has 15 children who are all left to grow up feral whilst the mother and father sit in a tavern with a bottle of beer. Those are the kids who need a sanctuary from their lives and a different set or role models.

I fully agree that teachers an parents should have better access to tools to discipline their kids but they must also be disciplined themselves. Nobody really can object to a smack on the bottom but a thrashing with a metal pole can't be condoned. It is those excesses which caused this situation. Instead of taking the offending child who is masquerading as a teacher out of the situation, they simply left the un-fit teacher there and took away the tool. Besides, beating a child which comes from an abusive family won't have the right effect anyhow.

TjoVtjo

Posted 191 days ago
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I support Mme Angie on this one. Parents have failed the education department on every level, and Mme Angie as the Minister in this Departmetn is right to tell them off. Good move Mma.