ANC hammers FNB
FNB has, once again, made the government see red. Its campaign You Can Help has been sharply criticised.
The bank agreed to withdraw all online clips of youngsters used in the campaign. Some of the youth were "voluntarily" recorded hauling the government over the coals.
In 2007, FNB pulled a R10-million advertising campaign urging former president Thabo Mbeki to do more to fight crime.
Yesterday, ANC spokesman Keith Khoza said FNB made unsubstantiated allegations against the government and the party in its latest campaign.
"But what we find disingenuous is the use of young kids to make a political statement.
''And if you listen to some of [the clips] it borders on disrespect.
"Can you imagine a 16-year-old calling a mother, who is also a minister, brainless?"
He said Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga contacted the bank yesterday morning because "it made serious allegations against her". She was assured that the clips would be removed.
Khoza was particularly perturbed by a statement made by a girl called Tiara.
"Tiara was the worst!" he said.
According to the Mail & Guardian, Tiara reportedly said: "Stop voting for the same government in hopes for change - instead, change your hopes to a government that has the same hopes as us."
The ANC Youth League said the campaign bordered on treason.
The bank commissioned a survey of more than 1300 children in the Western Cape, Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal.
Kelly Baloyi, 17, addressed people at the launch in Soweto on Thursday. This was broadcast live and was featured as the advertisement for the campaign on a blog site, along with the research report.
FNB chief marketing officer Bernice Samuels said it found 70% of the respondents to be positive about the future.
"We undertook the exercise as we strongly believe children have an important voice and are critical to the country's future success," said Samuels.
"Every interview was unscripted and uncensored."
Samuels said FNB was "disappointed" at the youth league's reaction and "gross misinterpretation" of the campaign.
She said the decision to remove the clips for now was "in the best interest of the children, until the misunderstanding is resolved".
Other parties weighed in on the drama.
The SACP said the campaign was "nothing but propaganda aimed at playing on the emotions of our people".
The DA, however, agreed with the advert.
"I have seen this commercial and believe it to be inspirational - calling on us all to cooperate for a better future," said DA spokesman Mmusi Maimane.
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Posted 148 days agoSasha*-Fierce
I admired the patriotism and the feeling of intensity that the girl displayed!
What we're witnessing here is a disaster in the making, this is to say to our beloved government ''wake up''. Does it mean, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade?
People will never complain out of vacuum as such the ruling party must not make lemons but try to find the positive out of what happened! At least there is a lay out from all the members of the public to use as a projection to fix the ''car'' which looks like the ''driver'' does not have any idea where the wrong/fault is! Now here you have it just where the fault is, now that the ''children'' had even realise that, than as a political party, you simply keep quite, stop complaining and fix the fault that even children had identified and since now you know it, something that perhaps you did not notice before, stop complaining and act on it!?
The advert by the FNB is fair and a reality of what is a current state of affairs as such correct!
Robrt010Mugabe99
Posted 1 hours ago
The distinction is FNB is a business entity nt a political party, it should serve its customers fairly and equitable without any prejudice from political/regious beliefs. There is nothing wrong with the statements the problem is with the messenger. People who are so desperate will try by all means to remove the democratic elected government.
RSA.MommaCyndi
.... and mines are not municipalities but they are expected to provide basic services and SABreweries isn't an NGO but they are expected to give support to upliftment initiatives and the banks are not political parties but they are supporting public speaking, debating and education initiatives.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say, 'business must get involved and help' and then say, 'only help if we have first done a big censorship on it'.
RSA.MommaCyndi
I also felt proud and heart warmed by her speech. It was so beautifully done
Mike123
Posted 148 days agoWhat else should we have for those who very obviously disrespect us? Disdain? Loathing? Contempt? Hatred?
m1si2zi3nzo4
Or is it because the FNB did not contribute to the Nkandla Compound, perhaps because it did not have a Maharaj, or a Cyril, in its decision-making structures?
Whichever way, the ruling party's paranoia inflicts damage to the nation, more than anyone, or anything else.
Mike123
tmsithebe
Posted 148 days agoSinoyolo123
We certainly can't boycot FNB, remember the President has a bond with the bank.
skhokho21
Momma, FNB is out of line, period.
PaulBobs
Thuka-Thuka
TenBears
NthabisengSkhosana
RedCoat
Kullid007
Posted 148 days agotmsithebe
Posted 148 days agoPaulBobs
i_stub_born
Posted 148 days ago..According to the ANC, in "African culture" one respects the elders, irrespective if the elders are incestuous,or rapists or thieves and crooks.......
In other cultures, said "elders" are separated and quickly dismissed before they contaminate their peers, but, what to do when the contamination has involved everyone???.......
.....History is full of "elders" who invoked "traditions", "culture", "god-given rights", ethnicity, and religion, to justify plundering, war, murder and destruction, but none of them survived their own fate....
It is absolutely (and sickly) fascinating to know about the fabulous fortunes of real puppeteers surrounding Gingerbread Man and pulling the strings of their own: h t t p:/ / dailymaverick.co.za/section/south-africa/0/2013-01-21-south-africas-power-elite......
A real "Ali Baba and the 40 thieves" story for night time terror.........
Kullid007
Posted 148 days agoOzgood
Posted 148 days agoskhokho21
Posted 148 days agoSecretVoice
skhokho21
PaulBobs
SecretVoice
SecretVoice
The twit makes me forget my tenses.
SecretVoice
Posted 148 days agoBeautiful and obviously intelligent young people speak their minds truthfully on the many critical issues our country faces.
The ANC condemn it with all its might.
Undisciplined young kids acting like thugs in Sasolburg burning, looting and firing live rounds at police doing nothing to improve our country.
The ANC says absolutely nothing.
ANC only supports destruction and mayhem. The uneducated are their constituents the educated are their enemy. What a joke!!!!
efil4zaggin
Posted 148 days agoGormogon1
Posted 148 days agokaron
Thuka-Thuka
Posted 148 days agoRobrt010Mugabe99
Thuka-Thuka
Thuka-Thuka
Posted 148 days ago"Can you imagine a 16-year-old calling a mother, who is also a minister, brainless?"
And the non-delivery of textbooks - what's that if not extremely disrespectful? Khoza, you and reality would make very strange bedfellows.
m1si2zi3nzo4
PaulBobs
SuiGeneris
Posted 148 days agoEasy !
Thuka-Thuka
PaulBobs
Kullid007
Posted 148 days agoANCroofleak please stop protecting your naked emperor and start doing something for the Youth because you will get a revolution and you wont like it people are getting tired of the looting and non delivery of services look at Sasolburg its starting did you forget Egypt.
Not everyone worships the ANCmafia Looters and we know its not only them who brought democracy to this country many people has died for this freedom which you claim you brought white,black,coulered and indians we need to come together for the sake of our country not the ANCmafia Looters Nkandlabuilders Greedy Denialist
Did you see the poverty the real people are in while you celebrate your hundred years dancing on stages with halfdressed chomees and your emperor is always there to jive to what are you doing about the people or are fighting to get a tender one day these tenders wont be worth anything when this country is burning
m1si2zi3nzo4
Kullid007
Robrt010Mugabe99
Posted 148 days agoPaulBobs
Kids are calling for peace, co-existence, effective government. Thats a bit different from arming them and teaching them to kill their parents....
skhokho21
Posted 148 days agoPaulBobs
Wiseguy
You need to differentiate between party and state(government), please for the sake of this entire country and ALL its citizens!
If an advert, is critical of government......then it is a call(from the next generation as in this example) to look at governance issues! Yes! So will government listen to that call.....will it actually listen to constructive criticism and then act appropriately ? As any decent, caring government that has its electorates best interests WOULD do? The non-delivery of text books for example......it was bad poor governance that was to blame! Now nobody is saying the ANC political party(Luthuli House) was to blame, but EVERYBODY(including LUthuli House) is saying the Limpopo goverment was to blame.....there IS a difference!
It is NOT saying the ANC(as a political party) is an evil or bad !!? Get it?
Are you able to make this distinction?
GROW UP for the sake of this country, all its people and its future.....PLEASE!!
PaulBobs
Posted 148 days agoThuka-Thuka
Question - Which if the following acts are deemed to be acts of treason? 4 off-the-wall dip-sh!t right wingers plotting to bomb the ANC's Mangaung conference, or, kids calling for peace, effective government, coexistence, hope, etc.?
Answer: Both. Apparently.
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 148 days agoSecretVoice
m1si2zi3nzo4
Once you deny your emotions from running havoc, you will remember that a march once took place. It was against a painting that depicted a penis. The march was hatched up because the ruling party thought that the painting depicted its president. I suppose the marching multitudes also saw their president's penis in the painting. This, without asking the painter. The 'party contemplated passing a law, even at the time, and all hell broke loose.
ZamaMofokeng
Posted 148 days agoThe ad which I believe was aired at the same time on more than 4 channels was a form of propaganda. One would ask what was their intension. Using the words such as “there would be a day and that day is today” what exactly were they conveying?
If they care enough for South Africa they wouldn’t charge high transaction costs. FNB must stop poking their long noses in places where they don’t belong and should be building houses and be fully involved in social investments like ABSA.
We will not be told to turn against our government by some faceless people who are hungry for power. They can try all means available. Never!
PaulBobs
Thuka-Thuka
m1si2zi3nzo4
BokfanSaffer
You start by saying the advert hit the spot. Thats a good thing right? But then you conclude that they, FNB, are faceless people hungry for power, finally asserting that with your support the govt will survive.
Now excuse me if I am wrong but to me there is a profound and unsustainable contradiction in what you say.
Either the Yob league is correct or FNB is. Backing both horses doesn't work in this race.
BTW Never mind the rates at FNB, if the govt stopped stealing money and helped the nation become prosperous SA would be a much better place wouldn't it?
Wiseguy
Make the distinction BETWEEN STATE and PARTY!!
GROW UP and learn the difference, and do it quickly PLEASE.....for the sake of this entire country!!
m1si2zi3nzo4
Robrt010Mugabe99
ZamaMofokeng
Taking FNB out of the equation? Yes the message is clear. The content would be better received if the ads were put on by DA along with COPE, UDM and IFP. FNB in the case is not a merely vehicle. Its is a huge corporation holds interest of all races and owes a fiduciary duty in respect of every individual ANC or DA but the moment they favour political parties, they are perceived bias. I don’t see why people should continue supporting their business when their intentions are political.
Wiseguy
There is a difference people !
Black-Moses
That is your own perceived view. Those in the know say, politics is the art or science of influencing people's beliefs on a civic, or indiviual level.
''what excatly were they conveying?
Truth and reality.
WillGranzier
Posted 148 days agoBokfanSaffer
Posted 148 days agoThat thought is certainly worth repeating. FNB is NOT the good guy here. FNB is an institution aggressively seeking only its own interests. Worse though is the l(ANC)e Strongarm of SA politics with its foot on the nation's throat its hand in your pocket and chains around your kids future.
The difference is perhaps this: FNB is entitled by our constitution to make its point in any legal way it sees fit. The Government and its pole dogs have no right to act against it. In fact the Govt should act against the Yob league for intimidation.
What we are seeing though is the primitive mindset of all tyrants. Perceived criticism is met with threats of violence. This is the behaviour of an illegitimate regime.
Democracy is dead in SA
Wiseguy
CynthiaMulomba
Posted 148 days agoMaimane is inspired. I always get the impression that the likes of him, wake up in the morning and wait for instruction on what to do and what to say, from Zille of course.
BokfanSaffer
Kullid007
i_stub_born
"""""".....History is full of "elders" who invoked "traditions", "culture", "god-given rights", ethnicity, and religion, to justify plundering, war, murder and destruction, but none of them survived their own fate....""""
CynthiaMulomba
Posted 148 days agoThis just borders on evil. We all know the consequences of parental disrespect, and that is the intention.
Maimane finds it inspirational. I always get the impression that the likes of him wake up in the morning and wait for instruction on what to do and say, from Zille of course.
CynthiaMulomba
Posted 148 days agomuk2
Posted 148 days agoVictorRapulane
Posted 148 days agoKullid007
Kullid007
TenBears
PaulBobs
PaulBobs
kids expressing themselves , and you call it sinister hatred? man what sort of nation would you call a "true nation". Weird man....
Kullid007
Why is everything about hating black people Im Black and I dont see the advert as hatred against black people its about a call to unite all of us to work to a common goal create a prosperous country maybe because the ANC is running country and consists of more black people which in itself is false because you have all coulour people in the ANC you take it as a attack against black people wake up man stop being so sensitive and start working towards a better country for all
RedCoat
"Most of the forum members here they don't understand the struggle of Blacks to criticise things intelligently"
You display perfectly how you struggle to critisise things intelligently.
m1si2zi3nzo4
This construction by the Swedish naturalist Carolus Linnaeus, dates as far back as 1758 to use the physical appearance and personality type that he believed characterized each race. But people like Charles Darwin cautioned against usurpation of any right to give names to objects that one cannot define. Just how does one mouth simultaneously "building a non-racial, non-sexist, democratic, society", together with accusation of the very "society" as "racist", "counter-revolutionery", etc? Who can lend any credence to your efforts to 'build' any nation, whilst talking 'destruction' at the drop of a hat?
Black-Moses
As long as you see everything and anything in black or white, instead of reality, you are doomed.
Stirrer
Posted 148 days agoThe ANC and the Big Youth League have escalated a thought-provoking advertisement to almost cult-level due to their pathetic paranoia. They obviously enjoy playing silly-buggers (or they are plain naive - or stupid). Everyone knows (or should know - from Logics 101) that the best way to overcome negative criticism is to ignore it. Responding only escalates a molehill into a mountain!
BokfanSaffer
Kullid007
Stirrer
Looks like 2013 will be a case of same-old, same-old again.
(but don't rule out the chosen few plunging to record depths of stupidity this year!)
Wiseguy
Another thing these ANC cadre's don't seem to grasp so well, is the majority of media articles, online commentators and public criticisms are COMMENTING on issues of GOVERNANCE.....and not Luthuli house ?
But I am sure the MAJORITY of us commentators and indeed people of this country could NOT give a sh!t who, or which party is the government.....as long as who-ever it is gives us(the citizens of this country) good, clean, transparent, accountable governance of the people, by the people, FOR THE PEOPLE !!
It is ONLY when the GOVERNMENT deviates from the above.....then people will start criticising, writing articles, making adverts for better governance and acting out on their unhappiness with GOVERNMENT !
This advert is critical of governance issues......not party!! There IS a difference!
m1si2zi3nzo4
Not so with a party hack. It has to try and figure out what can possibly be acceptable to the party elite, hoping to please the it, and be noticed in the 'dishing-out' of taxes. The risk is evident. Ask Malema. But flies are attracted to a fly-catcher, more by the view of those already caught.
RSA.MommaCyndi
Posted 148 days ago