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Thu Jun 20 07:11:47 SAST 2013

Ramphele's party not settling for second best

TJ STRYDOM and DENISE WILLIAMS | 19 February, 2013 00:14
Mamphela Ramphele declared at Constitution Hill in Braamfontein, Johannesburg, yesterday that she was starting a new political platform, Agang. The word means 'build' in SeSotho
Image by: MOELETSI MABE

Mamphela Ramphele's sermon on the hill revealed that she is in fact entering politics and now has 14 months to build an organisation to contest next year's general elections.

Agang, meaning "Build SA" in SeSotho, is the name of the "party political platform" she launched yesterday that will now enter into consultations as it gears up to be a political party.

Her announcement, made in the former woman's prison on Constitution Hill, Braamfontein, had been hyped up for weeks.

Ramphele, an academic and struggle stalwart, pulled no punches yesterday as she said South Africa was being "undermined by a massive failure of government" and a disconnect between trade unions and their members.

She said that party lists in elections gave party bosses "disproportionate" power and the country's citizens were effectively being excluded from governing.

Ramphele has her sights set on reforming the electoral system.

"Our society's greatness is being fundamentally undermined by a massive failure of governance," she said.

". we should be able to vote for the person in our own area we want to represent us in parliament so we can hold them accountable for the electoral promises they make."

The organisation will soon start gathering a million signatures to campaign for a change in the way elections are conducted. Ramphele said she would also campaign to "depoliticise the public service".

She said failure to create a competent, professional and non-partisan public service undermined the quality of governance at all levels.

On the economy and high levels of poverty, she said there was no justification for so much need in the midst of so much opulence.

"It is appalling that an estimated 71% of South Africans in the 15-34 age group are not participating in the economy, and are instead forced to accept the humiliating substitute of social grants."

Agang, Ramphele said, was not aiming for a specific percentage of the vote in the elections, and would not settle for being "an also-ran".

She said when Agang became a political party, it would not merely be "in the opposition business".

United Democratic Movement president Bantu Holomisa said he has had a number of discussions with Ramphele since last year.

"We've discussed this issue [of her forming a political party platform]. I think now she will now be moving from province to province to sell her vision and discuss the possible launch of a political party," said Holomisa.

DA national spokesman Mmusi Maimane said the party had been in ongoing discussions with Ramphele regarding the realignment of politics.

"No deals have been brokered. [DA leader] Helen Zille has a long-standing relationship with Dr Ramphele. The discussion [around political realignment] has been ongoing for years," said Maimane.

"We'll wait and see. We'll have to see what her platform looks like to make a decision in the long term [regarding collaboration]."

The ANC said it believed that the Ramphele-led initiative was ''grievance-driven''.

The ruling said in a statement that Ramphele rehashed ''the known challenges facing our country'', and did not bring any new suggestions to the table.

At a joint briefing by opposition parties last week, FF Plus leader and Agriculture Deputy Minister Pieter Mulder said Ramphele needed to think carefully about which party she aligned herself with.

COPE leader Mosiuoa Lekota said there had been discussions about "some kind of union". He said, however, that no formal deals had been brokered.

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BornintheRSA

Posted 120 days ago
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A pity about the court jester's hat she wore yesterday.
Nevertheless, it's too early to predict where this will go. An internal ANC initiative to replace the useless leadership may still be a better option.

Wiseguy

Posted 120 days ago
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The ANC said it believed that the Ramphele-led initiative was ''grievance-driven''......Wow! Sounds insightful with a touch of humility attached....this should be applauded! Will this be followed by some serious introspection and appropriate, beneficial changes?

We live in hope then ?

Dr Ramphele stated.."we should be able to vote for the person in our own area we want to represent us in parliament so we can hold them accountable for the electoral promises they make.".......now how can anyone or political party disagree with this.....surely this is in the best interests of EVERYONE and the NATION!!?

SuiGeneris

Posted 120 days ago
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"Our society's greatness is being fundamentally undermined by a massive failure of governance"

Smack !! In the face of the ''Nkandla king''

Loggenberg

Posted 120 days ago
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Cosatu Website "How seriously can we take someone who has just stepped down as head of a big, ruthless exploitative mine employer when she talks of our “legacy of the exclusionary economic and political systems that continue to characterise the primary sectors of mining and agriculture” which “undermines our present and future economic prospects”."
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For a moment I thought they are talking about Ramaphosa. For a moment I just thought that Cosatu might have a problem with Lonmin Mining Company. That cannot be true. Lonmin is definitely not exploitative. Ramaphosa is a perfect candidate to lead the pro-poor party.
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SiyabongaBiyela

Posted 120 days ago
lol, well spoted
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Loggenberg

Posted 120 days ago
You can be what you want or who you want, as long as you are part of the ANC. Cosatu should be a labour union but seems like they are more interested in having the ANC in power, irrespective of how it affects the workers
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KazGong

Posted 120 days ago
I also thought the same.

This lady just wants to be the catalyst of a party deep rooted in serving its people, with integrity, with dreams, with real inclusivity of its diverse society.

That is what I want too.

AWA

Posted 120 days ago
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Maybe this is the person that will save South Africa from the RAPE and devastation handed out by the current ANC. Maybe the visions of the ANC Fathers will yet be realised.

You can already see the ANC squirming by the comments they are handing out. Expect a lot more of this and worse as their panic grows.

Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 120 days ago
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Good luck to Ramphela, if she does well we will support her, all that we want is fair justiciable governance and respect to the public purse.
We need a political party that will enrich all the people fairly not individuals and their families as it is done by all the present political parties in their respective departments, provinces and municipalities, every party is currently benefiting its cronies be it DA or ANC, they are all the same under their respective auspices.
We need a party which will not discriminate anybody on color, political affiliation and nepotism.
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KazGong

Posted 120 days ago
I am with you on this one, I already support her

Iktav

Posted 120 days ago
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Her heart appears to be in the right place BUT she would be FAR more effective if she joined one of the already established opposition parties.
Starting yet another political party just muddies the political water and serves no real purpose other than to dilute the opposition.
Mama you are well respected but you are not sly enough to be a politician (I mean that as a compliment) Please lend your credibility to a party which can pose a REAL threat to the ANC.
Even if the ANC is not voted out in the next election - it is imperative that they are severely weakened - to drive the message home that the voters will no longer tolerate their behavior and lies. We can only do that with a strong and unified opposition - not a with a mishmash of wannabe hopefuls like Cope, the IFP and the dozens of other splinter parties.
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KazGong

Posted 120 days ago
You make your point clearly. The problem with experience even in a work environment, they like to keep the status quo. As a new comer, there is little they are willing to take from you, often you will be referred to their history and they find a way to shut you down.

I do not want anyone to shut down what MR is saying as that is what will save this country

Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
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as far as I understand the woman on her interviews , she seems to be more vocal on education programme than other socio -econ needs. The point is, nt all south Africans are in need of education, for myself and others we need land back and econ emancipation , if Mamphela had serious concerns for education why she did nt form a forum to address education programmes, because she sounds clueless about land reform and econ emancipation
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Loggenberg

Posted 120 days ago
"sounds clueless about land reform and econ emancipation"
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For a moment I thought you are referring to the ANC
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Bono

Posted 120 days ago
She may be “clueless” on some important issues but the overpaid underworked ANC leeches are clueless on ALL important issues. Elsewhere in TL it is reported that the ANC controlled KZN government overpaid staff to the tune of R77m!!! BOB you seems like a nice enough hardworking Farmer…….but somewhere along the line the blinker will have to come off!!!!
It is just a matter of time!!!
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 120 days ago
Without education, what are you going to DO with that land?
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Bono

Posted 120 days ago

Ok Bob i take back the "nice"part......there is really no hope for you....your heart is full of hate.......goodbye!!!

What do you expect? He named himself after a genocidal, homophobic dictator with a penchant for torturing his political enemies - ED

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Loggenberg

Posted 120 days ago
Robrt014Mugabe99
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Land issue is something I would leave alone if I as the ANC. I am not white but am from the SAN tribe. The government will change the land issue to include land that was taken before 1913. Our land was taken by other tribes originating in East Africa. We will claim it as soon as the law is changed. It may also include land now in the hands of the Bafokeng
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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
@Bono
Posted 5 minutes ago
Ok Bob i take back the "nice"part......there is really no hope for you....your heart is full of hate.......goodbye!!!
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so what
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Bono

Posted 120 days ago
Thank you ED, my sentiments exactly!!!
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Black-Moses

Posted 120 days ago
Bob

The history books you read, are very fallacious, to an extent that they have made you look and sound like a fool. This one is for you...he that loves glass without G, takes away L, and that is you!
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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
@What do you expect? He named himself after a genocidal, homophobic dictator with a penchant for torturing his political enemies - ED

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yes he is a father of Africa, proud of what he did in Zim for taking back land from the hands of 20k minority white people , distributed amongst 80k black famers. During the fin yr 2011/2012 these farmers made GDP of $850m each farmer taking home $75k , which is something never happened before in Zim, driving brand new Land Cruisers etc says Business Rep 17 Feb. Endless queues from Middle East and Asia waiting for bus licences.

Again thank you Rob for fighting a good battle atlast blacks enjoy fruits of their forefathers, even Morgan Tshangarai has seen why Mugabe was fighting for. I refer you to read Sunday Times Business 17 feb , dont hate me I got from business report on Sunday times


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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
@Black-Moses
Posted 17 minutes ago


The books that Im reading are prescribed textbooks for masters level authorised by professors I wont know whoa er you to tell me and those professors those books are not authentic , first of all what is you NQF level perhaps.

Above all Im talking about something I witnessed in the late 80s here in Vryheid where blacks were removed to areas very unfavourable for farming , since then they lost all their live stocks 200 cattles,gots,sheeps,horses etc were gone , left empty handed Von Abbo in Zim rushed to Supreme Crt cried loud whereas he forgot he did the same situation to those people occupied that land before same situation with black farmers in Vryheid KZN.

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Black-Moses

Posted 120 days ago
@ Bob


The books that you are reading are prescibed textbooks for masters disaster,authorised by proffesors of doom, from a bogus university, ne!
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Black-Moses

Posted 120 days ago
Bob

That old saying comes to reality...never argue with a fool, it will beat you hands down by experience. I rest my case.
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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
Black-Moses
Posted 57 minutes ago
Bob

That old saying comes to reality...never argue with a fool, it will beat you hands down by experience. I rest my case

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mcxxm foolishness now you are short of intellectual debate resorting to vernom

CynthiaMulomba

Posted 120 days ago
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I am right now listening to Ramphele saying 'I will be the bridge....." I have a problem with the 'I'.
Also alignments with people who have different agendas don't last.
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Marx007

Posted 120 days ago
Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river.
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KazGong

Posted 120 days ago
I have never been a mber of a political party even as I have supported the ruling party until now. This is one bridge I want to walk on and carry my children to the other side

Jakes_Mathews#

Posted 120 days ago
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Another theoretic political mouth to feed through parliamentary perks and huge salary! She will never change anything nor add any significant value than the DA and Cope have done! Academy and politics are two different things, as far as politics, she is nothing but a hopeless, useless weakling who will be as good as she had never existed.
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spain2

Posted 120 days ago
I think I agree with u on that one, she's just going to be one of many commentators that we have.
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KazGong

Posted 120 days ago
The problem with DA and COPE they are opposers of the ANC. Agang will replace the ANC if there is no change in the direction of where the country is going

Stirrer

Posted 120 days ago
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Forgive me for appearing "uncultured" - but what's the story behind the headgear?

(if Mamphela does well, no doubt these caps will go on sale at a robot near you soon!)

POST94

Posted 120 days ago
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Imagine learning how to run a political party and the state machinery in your sixtees!! It's not easy. First of all, her party will be full of so called treid & tested veterans of politics. Ask Bishop Dandala, these people are a handful to manage. They run circles around you. As expected, her party will mimic the composition of the ANC - maybe even worse. You'll find all political 'left-overs' (those who fail to make it in their current parties' parliament lists, etc) & rejects there. She needs them for their experience.

You can also ask Madam Zille about the challenges of reigning in the former Nats. They literally run the show.

Good luck oulady.
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KazGong

Posted 120 days ago
Now this is very good thinking. This is the one big problem the party will have. "The unwanted else where" syndrome.

She would do well to avoid this bunch, and I think this will be the biggest problem for the party

zapatriot

Posted 120 days ago
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Dr Ramphele is not your common career politician. I'm convinced her decision to 'raise her hand' is sincere and not motivated by material gain. Her proffesional resume speaks for itself. She doesn't NEED to be a politician. I urge you all to suspend your cynical attitudes and do something to stop the gravy train. For a change we CAN be led by highly qualified technocrats instead of clowns that have hardly seen the door of a school such as JZ and God help us -- Juju. SA is deserves better and can do better than that.

She has come out with something totally new and which none of the current parties have suggested. No more blank cheque mandates through handing our votes to self-serving parties who have done nothing for us. Its time to change the electoral system and start voting all leadership directly, from the local elections all the way to the president of the country. For a change we can have leaders we are actually proud of and we can vote for directly, not be stuck with morons forced down our throats by some party inner circle. Enough with mediocrity and looting of state coffers. I don't know about you critics who like to make pronouncements while our beloved SA is going down the tubes, but I am definitely going to contribute to making Agang SA the next government. Spread the word! Donate! Stop the gravy train!
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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
mcxxxm
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KazGong

Posted 120 days ago
I fully agree

Marx007

Posted 120 days ago
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Ramphele's party not settling for second best - Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything.

manga2

Posted 120 days ago
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If yesterday's announcement is really what everyone has been eagerly awaiting for over two weeks, then it was a spectacular damp squib - much ado about nothing. Eintlik. There was nothing new that the DA and fellow pretenders havent already shrilled to the ears of the Speaker and parliament sound system operators.

Mangqeshane

Posted 120 days ago
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3 Things I wil say in response to this. (a) its great to see another political formation comes, that is great for our democracies, it shows that we are alive as country. Whether Agang will add values to our political system, its everyones guess. But in my heart of hearts it will ineffective. RSA has to be the only country with WEAK, INEFFICIENT SELF CENTRED OPPOSITION, our taxes are feeding weaklings and that is a damn shame.

(b) RSA is 1 of the most stable if not the MOST STABLE country in the world, and yes there are ppl who do not like this. History has shown us 2 things (i) there is money to be made in destabilizing countries (ii) the USA is 1 country that continues to benefit when such destabilization takes place. So the idea of that gogo Ramphele is backed by some USA backers is not far fetched, she has a very vast network which includes the Roosevelts. C'mon she is 65 yrs old where is she getting energy/funding from? I bet you she will not reveal them. If they trully believe in NO SECRECY, why is it difficult for them to tell South Africans who is funding them?

(c) The 2 main things that she mentioned (corruption and education failures). What I know for a fact is this. NO ILLITERATE PERSONS messed up our education, it was leanered people like her, so really, what is she offering differently.... I am yet to meet an ILLITERATE PERSON stealing from govt coffers, it is always the well educated ones
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Marx007

Posted 120 days ago
Well articulated.
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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
Cde you stole my research now , how possible is that I am busy compiling an analysis regarding the plot against DRC rebels arrested in Modimolle Limp led by Americans promised mining licenses, anyway proceed.

One of the key questions I have is,
1) how come US is very quick to detect terrorism against US yet very silent against CIA and Mercenaries like these arrested in Modimolle

2) How come SAfricans are so blind like that to follow HZille adopting all US models, receiving funds from US and cant see the lies by US

3) How come OAU is nt tackling the source of the matter other than dealing with secondary mechanism, instead of investigating funders of all these rebels in Africa.
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Scribbles

Posted 120 days ago
Mangqeshane, are you completely ignorant of the outside world? South Africa isn't even near being stable.
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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
@Scribbles
Posted < 1 minute ago



I wonder how/where south african whites get info or what do they read , on Sunday Times if you did bother reading Business Report , it has reprted that SA is ranked 16 in the world 1st in the sadec reg in terms of FDI , go and read Sun Times Bus rep , stop being a scumbag
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Scribbles

Posted 120 days ago
Robrt014Mugabe99,

Listen "scumbag", here's some actual info for that blinkered vision of yours. First I'll address your own facts, the ones which you like to pretty up rather than lay out bare. Instead of proudly barking over how well Zim is doing with its GDP why don't you paint everyone a more elaborate picture, like how their GDP was quadruple the amount before Mugabe's insanity, or how the beneficiaries are the big land holders (the minority) and not the small ones (the majority).

Also, a high FDI rating might support stability but says nothing of a countries actual stability. Only your type will nitpick a single good point and proclaim a win. Meanwhile, those of us with a little perspective will only acknowledge stability when we're not seeing strikers being massacred, constant violent strikes, unchecked corruption, rampant violent crimes and failure to deliver with education. We can't even supply a few public schools with books, that's not stability, that's just insanity.
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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
@Scribbles
Posted 1 minutes ago


no sir its from the authentic source dont shoot the messanger
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Scribbles

Posted 120 days ago
Robrt014Mugabe99,

Are you illiterate? I NEVER said anywhere that your source wasn't authentic, so you can stop sniveling about "shooting the messenger", I actually elaborated on your points and gave them a bit of perspective. It shows how short-sighted you are as you apparently only read what suits you while stopping right before the gritty details.
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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
Scribbles
Posted 15 minutes ago


.Also, a high FDI rating might support stability but says nothing of a countries actual stability. Only your type will nitpick a single bad point and proclaim a win


idiot
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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
@Scribbles
Posted 23 minutes ago

“……Also, a high FDI rating might support stability but says nothing of a countries actual stability. Only your type will nitpick a single good point and proclaim a win…..”
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I know you domkops whenever you are cornered you think in Afrikaans and write in English, blahblahblahblah
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Scribbles

Posted 120 days ago
Robrt014Mugabe99,

Nowhere in that comment does it say that your source wasn't authentic, "idiot." It's almost laughable that you have the gall to call anyone an idiot considering the fact that I have to explain a simple sentence to you. This will be my final response since I have no patience for elaborating on basic sentences... It's incredibly tiring and a waste of my time.

"A high FDI rating might support stability" - This line says that a high FDI rating is GOOD, and that it supports stability. It says nothing about the authenticity of your source.

"But says nothing of a countries actual stability." - This sentence goes on to elaborate that even though the FDI rating might be high (Again, note that there's no mention of your source being authentic or not) that it says nothing of the countries stability as a whole and only acts a small part of it.

Okay, school lesson over, for further lessons might I suggest attending an actual school?
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Scribbles

Posted 120 days ago
Robrt014Mugabe99,

You say that I'm cornered and yet you haven't refuted a single point of mine. All you've done is somehow misread a basic sentence (might I suggest English lessons) and resort to childish name calling.

Wiseguy

Posted 120 days ago
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To the above conspiracy theorists, while you guys "may be" correct: The bottom line is...if our current political parties(including our ruling party) where all doing their jobs correctly and well there wouldn't be any place for a new fledgling party to start up....REGARDLESS ! All political parties must govern by the dictum of governance of the people, by the people, FOR the people! It is when political parties and ruling parties start getting their priorities mixed up with their individual/personal agenda's(self-enrichment/greed/power ect) that creates an atmosphere that others can take advantage of! Recent history will support my statement!

Nevertheless, I honestly believe Dr Ramphele to be a true patriot to this country and ALL its people and I wish her well in her endevours ! I don't believe she would let or be party to a world superpower taking advanatge of her or the country she loves!!

PS> I found the above comment by post94 interesting....." You can also ask Madam Zille about the challenges of reigning in the former Nats. They literally run the show."......might explain why the more things change....the more they stay the same!!

Imfeni

Posted 120 days ago
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Mamphela Ramphele is completely right, Every Single Politician, Councillor whom we have voted for should be held accountable if they do not produce on their promises.
They have entered into a contract with their voters, by promising to deliver certain promises should the voter vote for them and they get elected (This is what contract law states) Should they not deliver on the promise they have broken the contract and should be liable for doing so.

And we as voters should be able to take them to court for braking this contract

Wiseguy

Posted 120 days ago
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@Mugabe.....dude, didn't you post this above "mcxxm foolishness now you are short of intellectual debate resorting to vernom"....now you resort to foolish name calling because scribbles makes some good valid points!! LOL, ha ha ha, that sort of makes you a hypocrite Mugabe!!
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Robrt014Mugabe99

Posted 120 days ago
what valid point is he making to oppose a source from Sun Times Bus Rep , who is he to rely on him , I refrred him to the source must go and read , he must nt fight me I a messanger. lastly he must stop talking all poison which he has no reference thereof , because some of us are more compliant. I m here to teach him how to make arguments , nt hogwash arguments without evidence
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Scribbles

Posted 120 days ago
Wiseguy,

I don't know how you do it from day to day, especially when Rob's type ignores everything said. I know how some can have a blinkered outlook but I figured that they would at least be able to see the info in a comment shoved right under their noses.