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Sat May 26 06:28:01 SAST 2012

Freeways are not free: Ndebele

Sapa | 18 August, 2011 13:4229 Comments
Transport Minister Sbu Ndebele. File photo.
Image by: Trevor Samson / Business Day

If the public wants freeways then it has to pay for them, says Transport Minister Sibusiso Ndebele.

"If there is an outcry and people say they won't pay tolls, then we can't put the freeway in," he said at a press conference in Cape Town on Thursday.

"Freeways are not free."

Ndebele said the "user-pay principle" was accepted throughout the world, but in South Africa people were willingly prepared to pay only in the telecommunications sector.

"In the areas of electricity, water and transport, which improve their lives, such willingness is lacking," he said.

Cabinet approved revised tariffs for the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project earlier in August.

The rates are 24c a kilometre for motorcycles, 40c/km for light motor vehicles and 200c/km for longer vehicles. Qualifying taxis and commuter buses are exempt.

Ndebele said it was time to repay the R20 billion loaned to upgrade the Ben Schoeman highway between Johannesburg and Pretoria.

"It has paid for quite a good infrastructure. It is a done deal. That horse has bolted. Now we have to pay for it."

Ndebele said that after years of underspending, the government was making "steady progress" towards ensuring that rail was the backbone of South Africa's public transport system.

"As of 1 April 2011, government is spending R30.2bn over the next three years for rail upgrades across the country, with R19.5bn earmarked for capital spending to upgrade existing infrastructure, signalling systems and rolling stock," Ndebele said.

The Passenger Rail Agency of SA (Prasa) was embarking on "a bold programme" to invest in new rail rolling stock worth an estimated R100bn over 18 years.

This would significantly improve the country's commuter rail transport, Ndebele said.

He said eThekwini was about to complete its full rapid transport plan, which included roads and rail.

Rustenburg too had finalised operational planning and officially launched the Rustenburg Rapid Transport Project on 21 July.

Both Tshwane and Polokwane were reviewing their operational plans, he said.

The Gautrain was also proving to be a success. Around three million passengers had already used the train between Sandton and the airport since its launch in June 2010.

The final stage of the train to Park Station, in Johannesburg, would be ready by the end of November.

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ChickenRunner

Posted 281 days ago
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We do it's called TAXES. Double dipping is illegal, screwing us twice for the same service.
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Abdulla

Posted 281 days ago
Double taxation, yes it's unlawful.
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ChickenRunner

Posted 281 days ago
I forgot the "Petrol Tax" that pays for the roads = Triple dipping us for sure - obviously we are not going to do anything about this rip-off and they know it - the pathetic citizens we are...
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Abdulla

Posted 281 days ago
We need to stand up agaisnt those who have been appointed to serve us, the problerm is that most people have a flawed understanding of who is superior to who. In a democratic society the president is a servant of the people, he answers to them and not the other way around.

We will soon see the London style riots as more and more is taken out of the pockets of the taxpayer. There is a need to educate the so called masses, i will soon take that tas upon myself. It may take time but one day we will win.

FZappa

Posted 281 days ago
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Yes stop stealing our taxes and use it for what it was intended.

Xhoxhorotto

Posted 281 days ago
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I totally agree with Transport Minister Sibusiso Ndebele. For many years (yes people, even before 1994) Gauteng residents have been complaining about the road traffic situation in the province. From backed-up traffic, to too few freeway lanes, to lack of upgrading etc etc etc. And now that the roads have been upgraded to international standards, and a small toll-fee is asked, the elite is creeping out from every possible hole to oppose this.

Understandable, as they received everything for free during the apartheid years. Fair enough. But that is because they had an entire budget to spend, only on 6% of the country, whereas the rest 94% were left with nothing. The time has come to pay. White Capital should now man (race)- up and make their contribution to society.
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wetpaint

Posted 281 days ago
You will have to pay too, Xho. No one is spared.
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duffster

Posted 281 days ago
If you are an elite, you would not live in a hole! Now I'm off to sail my boat, fly my plane, live in my mansion and drive my Ferrari that I got for free from the previous government...
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Xhoxhorotto

Posted 281 days ago
Of course. Whenever I am on the freeways in Gauteng, I will be all too happy to pay. In fact, I would suggest the R1 on Code 8 vehicles be raised in order to pay off the debt faster, in order for Government to start make a profit and grow our economy.
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MphoR

Posted 281 days ago
Are you too stupid to know that we are already paying about 20 cents per kilometer driven through fuel tax.
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Xhoxhorotto

Posted 281 days ago
@MphoR

Are you too stupid to realize that that 20c tax, goes to the upgrading of roads and infrastructure ALL OVER THE COUNTRY?? Can you imagine the uprise if the creatures from iKapa, finds out that their precious 20cents is aiding in funding the bill for the Gauteng development project?

Get real. And next time, before you add your drivel to my debate, do some research and know what you are talking about.
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duffster

Posted 281 days ago
I would love to see the research and backup for the following claims you made:

"They received everything for free during the apartheid years"

"They had and entire budget to spend, only on 6% of the country, whereas the rest 94% were left with nothing"

And white capital does make the contribution, its called TAX! Companies tax, Income tax, Fuel Levies, VAT, Car registration fees etc etc

I have no problem with tolls for NEW roads, but putting tolls on roads that already exist and only need maintenance smacks of money-grabbing.

skietendonder

Posted 281 days ago
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build and maintain proper alternative routes, and start planning your urban development. government departments must communicate their plans well in advance to their counterparts for planning to take place. but Mr Ndebele I know you will go to the dictionary after reading this to find out what 'planning' means. so please teach the others in government once you have understood the meaning of the word (each one teach one).

Remote

Posted 281 days ago
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Ok , toll the roads. No problem. But drop the fuel levies.

skietendonder

Posted 281 days ago
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@Xhoxhorotto, the 94% didn't have this many cars then, now we do, and that is why we are complaining. when we were still using taxis, tolls didn't mean jack to us. we pay for the roads already and their maintenance. if you are still a commuter, then my apologies, you won't get our concern.
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Xhoxhorotto

Posted 281 days ago
@skietendonder

You clearly only did some selected reading when "reading" through my debate.

Before 1994, during the apartheid years, the white elites who were allowed onto the freeways were complaining because the "government" were lacking in its upkeep and upgrading. Yes, of course in 2002, a quarter of the 94% all have a vehicle or maybe two. The already dismal apartheid infrastructure was unable to withstand this. So Government started to implement an upgrade plan and overhauled the entire the freeway-system to meet international standards, to benefit the public.

Now the "public" complains again now that they find out they have to pay for it, and this time around will not receive public services for free like in the apartheid years.

Abdulla

Posted 281 days ago
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Then why are they caleed "FREEWAYS"? Just asking.

the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 281 days ago
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I am thrilled with the Gautrain but a little confused as to how the bus routes were decided on. Places like Lynwood Ridge and Waterkloof have Gautrain buses but places like Silverton / Eesterust /Pretoria West etc don't - would seem to me that the poorer areas would benefit more from them than the wabenzi brigade ?

Get alternative transport and freight systems available THEN think about putting your tax on a taxed tax.
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Abdulla

Posted 281 days ago
Whoever planned the bus route was clueless and did not consult, they missed major transport route completely.

Amsterdamage

Posted 281 days ago
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Never before in the history of governments has so little been done with so much tax.

Taz101

Posted 281 days ago
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And did they ask us before doing so much work on the roads that we now have to pay for? Nevermind the fact that the UK already has improved roads and transport systems which are payed for by the tax everyone pays on their vehicles each year and we already have that and extreme taxation on pertrol which should cover the maintanance on the roads. If government officials spent less money on their cars and houses and their hefty bonuses they award themselves for doing nothing in the interest of the contry. Then there would be enough money available.
Maybe we should nominate a minister of transport that can actually do maths. Considering that the amount of money that they want to tax each person will cover the amount spend within a month... then will they stop making us pay to use the FREEway?

brencis

Posted 281 days ago
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" Ndebele said the "user-pay principle" was accepted throughout the world, but in South Africa people were willingly prepared to pay only in the telecommunications sector."

Mr Ndebele there are two problems with your argument:
1) We already pay in the form of a fuel levy. But, your ANC colleagues steal our money with their corruption. Stop stealing first!
2) It is your very government who has created the ethos of not wanting to pay. You do nothing to motivate people to pay for services and nothing to police the payments.

AWA

Posted 281 days ago
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What a fool!

Where did the money come from to build these freeways in the first place? This R20bil was the upgrade cost only. They did not rebuild the roads.

And of the R20bil, at least R5bil has gone in productivity loss. You take the R24 at Galoolies. It is the busiest 3km stretch of road in the country. After over 2 years they still have not finished it. I bet a highly productive company would have finished that in 4 months.

So toll all the roads. I will be happy with that. But then give us back the road taxes on the fuel. Or does that go to pay the salary of these fools.

Biko-Lives

Posted 281 days ago
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Comrade Sbu Ndebele gives us another reason to call for a cabinet reshuffling like yesterday! He must join the likes of Shabanga, Gigaba and Nkabinde to march out of government! Those who are formerly marginalised should not pop out a single cent for these cash cows that were constructed for the rich and big business! We insist that he heeds the call by the Arch of introducing a Wealth Tax to those who benefited from apartheid in order to pay for this sham!! What he is suggesting now is an insult and a spit in the face towards the working class!! We will not forget this day come Mangaung 2012 when we are electing our leaders!!

Loggenberg

Posted 281 days ago
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Yes, user should pay.... even when it comes to healthcare

wetpaint

Posted 281 days ago
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"If the public wants freeways then it has to pay for them, says Transport Minister Sibusiso Ndebele."

Nobody disputes that Mr Minister. We have already paid for that throug our fuel levy. And before Xho goes on about the levy covering the entire countries road infrastructure, she should check the number of litres of fuel sold country-wide BEFORE she makes her comments

I just wish you had said that BEFORE the 18 May 2011 local government elections, Sbu. Your 63% would have been more like 53%.

RedCoat

Posted 281 days ago
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Yawn............Same arguments different article........

skietendonder

Posted 281 days ago
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this user should pay thing I agree with 100% but the quality of what is being used should meet the price. the N1 is not really champagne quality, now is it? why should we pay R3,000 amonth to use it? take the N3 for instance, we have been paying toll fees for more than 10 years now but the government's idea of fixing it is patching potholes only when they are large and deep enough to swallow a car. the road has been terrible for as long as I can remember. where is the toll money going? we will have the same sitaution in Gauteng with our toll money.

urban_chaos

Posted 281 days ago
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Why should the taxis pay more than they do? poor people use taxis and can barely afford the Taxi fare! rather dont tax us ,pay government officials less!!!!!!!...Before 1994 were prohibited to going to certain places, but we had money. Now we can go to any place you want to but cant afford to get there. I miss the apartheid Government because my brothers in power only think of themselves... Rasta