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Fri May 24 06:25:51 SAST 2013

Zuma to marry - again!

BONGANI MTHETHWA and SUBASHNI NAIDOO | 15 April, 2012 00:38
PARTY TIME: President Jacob Zuma cuts his birthday cakes with, from left, bride-to-be Bongi Ngema and wives MaNtuli Zuma, Tobeka Madiba-Zuma and MaKhumalo Zuma at the International Convention Centre in Durban. Picture: GCIS

PRESIDENT Jacob Zuma will tie the knot again next weekend in a traditional ceremony in Nkandla.

Gloria Bongekile Ngema will become Zuma's fourth wife after having been engaged to him for a number of years.

Zuma's spokesman, Mac Maharaj, confirmed yesterday: "The president is to formalise his relationship with his fiancée, Ms Bongi Ngema, next week at a private traditional ceremony in Nkandla."

Zuma has a three-year-old son with Ngema. He reputedly has about 20 children in total.

Last year, Ngema joined Zuma on a diplomatic trip to France, her first state visit. The privilege is usually reserved for the first lady.

Hailing from Durban's Umlazi township, Ngema was described as devoutly religious by friends in a Sunday Times profile story two years ago. She has various academic qualifications, including a business degree.

But she may be the last bride Zuma takes. At a lavish birthday bash in Durban on Friday evening, more than 1000 guests watched a video montage in which he said his marrying days were over.

He turned 70 on Thursday and has married twice during his presidential term.

Zuma's other wives are Sizakele Khumalo, whom he met in 1959, Nompumelelo "MaNtuli" Zuma and Thobeka Stacey Mabhija.

He divorced Home Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma in 1998, and another wife, Kate Zuma, committed suicide two years later.

Zuma was born into a polygamous family. His father had two wives, Zuma's mother being the junior.

Yesterday, Nkandla locals were in the dark about the nuptials. Even close family members expressed surprise.

The homestead, which has undergone a massive R64-million renovation, hosted a second birthday party yesterday. The renovations included the construction of six double-storey thatch rondavels for Zuma's wives and family.

A guest with knowledge of the compound said the buildings were ready to be handed over to the wives. The sixth one is still being built.

He said there was 32mm armoured glass in the windows.

Sunday Times has reliably learnt that each of the main bedrooms were connected to Zuma's main house by underground tunnels.

The president acknowledged his wives : "I have them; they are many. They know that who comes in does not close the door behind [her] because it was not shut behind her."

Ngema and Zuma's other three wives were all on hand to cut his R12500 birthday cake at the International Convention Centre on Friday. The celebration was organised by his daughters.

Political heavyweights, diplomats and top businessmen, including billionaire Patrice Motsepe and his wife, Precious Moloi, attended.

Also there were government spokesman Jimmy Manyi and his wife, Stella; South Africa's high commissioner in London, Zola Skweyiya, and his wife, Thuthu; KwaZulu-Natal MEC for economic development Mike Mabuyakhulu; Minister of Finance Pravin Gordhan; sports administrator Danny Jordaan; and Durban businessman and ANC funder Vivian Reddy.

Among the traditional items on the menu were pickled ox tongue with chakalaka, braised lamb shank stew, samp and beans, amadumbe (potatoes) and mieliepap. Guests were treated to boxes of chocolates and personalised bottles of water.

Zulu King Goodwill Zwelithini supplied his signature wine, Bayede, a huge bottle of which went to Zuma as a gift.

Intimate details of his personal life were revealed when guests were shown video clips of 70 questions put to him by his daughters.

He disclosed that he would happily go on a date with DA leader Helen Zille and that his first car was a used Ford Cortina.

Asked if he was done with marriage and children, he answered "I think so" to the first and "Yes" to the second. And how does he like his women? "I like one with some body."

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EsethuHasane

Posted 403 days ago
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Hi--Jack

Posted 403 days ago
I love my President. He is a true Voortrekker.

Having had a look at the picture, it seems all the woman are fighting for something inside the Pres' hand.

I would have thought it to be the purse strings, but....

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GregSmith

Posted 183 days ago
LOL at the grumpy one in black she obviously hasn't seen the mntondo in a long time

LuthandoLukhozi

Posted 403 days ago
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Thatha Msholozi - as much as you sometimes irritate me to the last bit, but you make me smile culturally. I just loooove your pluralism of women. You are doing what every African man should be doing, i.e. exploring the vast variety of African dishes on the market.

I must say, if I was giving an opportunity to steal from your kitchen, I would aim for Thobeka (hmmmm, what a wonderful lady she is). I just wish your cultural confidence would extend to the way you run the government as well!!!
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ThembaThwala

Posted 403 days ago
African men should be "exploring the vast variety of African dishes on the market" my foot. Ever heard of the word "HIV?" It kills mfowethu. And who appointed you an expert on what African men should be doing by the way?
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ZwelakheSithole

Posted 403 days ago
Luthando, Gwede Mantashe is reported saying the ANC is not static. So is culture. We cannot continue to hide behind culture when it is convenient for us to do so. Is these the kind of values we want for the rainbow nation? I do not think so. In this instance, we're talking about my President. Is this what I want my kids to learn from him? I do not think so. These are not the family values we want for our nation.
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LuthandoLukhozi

Posted 403 days ago
Mr Sithole, what is your definition of culture?
Mine is merely values and practices that have over time been practiced by people of a particular grouping, which they seek not to change but restore over time, even if those practices and values are threatened by changing times & younger generations.

Why is Lobola still our African custom today, when your domestic maid (not your lobola paid wife) is likey to serve you your meal?
Even when your domestic maid has cooked the meal (well assuming your wife was at work when the cooking resumed), these modern wives won't even at least serve you the meal then (even though they didn't cook it). Yet we pay lobola fo such.
But settling the bill in a restaurant will never cease to be a man'sjob. The fact remains we pay lobola bcos it is our culture, that s how it has allways been. Therefore, let us not be at a supermarket when it comes to which aspects of culture we retain and which we ignore. Let's embrace our culture fully, including polygamy - which in my mind will solve many marital problems & reduce AIDS!!!

I think it's about time man come out in the open about the fact that they can't sleep with one woman for the rest of their lives!!!

Mike123

Posted 403 days ago
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Seems to me that this is all Zuma is good for - The minister of sexual relations.
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TooClip

Posted 403 days ago
Or Home Affairs.

a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
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......HA HA HA H A..........while you chaps "smile culturally"..the rest of the (non-tribal) world "laughs hysterically" at SA........and the SA taxpayer "cries realistically"..............

.........It shows the quality of "brains" used to govern a nation.....100 Gordhans could not do better !!!!
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ZwelakheSithole

Posted 403 days ago
I do not know if you have met with JZ and engaged with him. He is very smart, hence he's a President of the ANC and the Republic. The era that he comes from, he doesn't see anything wrong with being promiscuous and having many partners. I think, just like most politicians, he is selfish and he hides behind culture as a matter of convenience as culture is not static. Raising children today is no longer the same as back in the days. You have to be there in person. This is a point he is missing.
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a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
......sorry, I pressed the wrong button by mistake......

In any case, the only thing we have seen "smart" in Jacob Zuma so far, is the way he dresses.............with exceptions......

TooClip

Posted 403 days ago
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A quick marrage to ensure that she and any kids are supported for life by Mr Taxpayer.

brencis

Posted 403 days ago
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This man thinks of himself only. He is self absorbed. He is and has been an embarrassment to our nation. Time to go, Mr President!

a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
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More "cultural smiles" ?:

"06 March 2011 | CITIZEN REPORTER, AFP
JOHANNESBURG - At a gala dinner in Nelspruit, Mpumalanga, at the weekend, ANC Youth League (ANCYL) leader Julius Malema seized the opportunity to exhort black South Africans to have more babies.

Malema urged a full hall in the Ehlanzeni municipal administration building to have as many babies as possible – “to prevent the revolution from losing steam”.

Why do we moan then??

"Our teens swap books for babies"

"""TEACHERS blame poor sex-education lessons in schools for the sharp increase in the number of teenage pregnancies.....

""....In a bid to curb these pregnancies, several schools in Pietermaritzburg have enlisted the services of well-known virginity "tester" Nomagugu Ngobese to spread the message of sexual abstinence among their pupils.....""""

That must be a variation of "stealing from the kitchen"...........
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Maxi

Posted 403 days ago
For your information, Malema's speech was not directed to irresposble teenagers, but to resposible South Africans. This is a normal practice even in Europe, where people are compensated in the form of grants for making babies.

TooClip

Posted 403 days ago
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The older momma on the right looks grumpy. The only one who did not get it all this morning?

At the end of a busy night, he must be drained of ever ounce of bodily fluid.
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ThembaThwala

Posted 403 days ago
The unintended consequences of viagra.
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a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
....who's got the stiff face??....

ScarfaceReturns

Posted 403 days ago
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As long as the law allows men to marry multiple women I do not see any problem with Zuma marrying again if I had the means and ways I would do likewise;

Bangene Msholozi but Thobeka makes wanna...........?
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a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
.......except that the bill for this "cultural smiley african tradition" is footed by the SA TAXpayer's money, at expenses of less education and less health and less services....
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TooClip

Posted 403 days ago
You do not have the ways and means because YOU are paying for someone else who also does not have the ways and means to have all the fun.

Get the picture?
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BornintheRSA

Posted 403 days ago
ScarfaceReturns - he only has the means through those who pay taxes as well as those who don't have hospitals, schools and toilets and so on.

a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
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Zuma's definition of a threesome:

"I like one with some body."

pan

Posted 403 days ago
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I don't really care about who Zuma marries, I want to know who paid for the R64 million "upgrade" to his compound.

It certainly can't be Zuma, who prior to his presidency was almost broke, and his annual salary would take over R30 years to pay for this "upgrade".

LuthandoLukhozi

Posted 403 days ago
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ThembaTwala I have observed that you have criticised my earlier comment when I said "...African man should be ... exploring the vast variety of African dishes on the market..."!

My brother, you are a midget in reasoning terms. Who told you that the only people at risk of HIV are those who 'diversify their domestic portfolio? '
Latest reaserch indicate that married people are even more at risk of HIV than singles, they can't always bargain for use of condoms.

I still see nothing wrong with Zuma taking more wives, as long as he can support them - which it seems he is, as he has extended his homestead in Nkandla.
I agree with TooClip that the older chick seems grumpy. Maybe she was expecting to be the one next to the Mr while cutting the cake, not the sexy yummy voluptuous Thobeka.

Those who are criticising our culture must also criticise those Spanish chaps when they are doing that annual madness of chasing and abusing a bull down the streets!!!
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 403 days ago
There is no 'culture' that can encourage a man to marry and screw every woman he fancied. Let us not twist the reality. Only animals do it indiscriminately, and in the public, and would care less about the consequences. If there was ever any culture (except whims) where men, and not women, were aloud to do as they please with their traditionally lesser powered, then this was sheer chauvinism. It is sheer greed too, considering that more people have to go poor for only one person to be rich. It is abuse of the public purse when one is entrusted with the poor people's earnings, from which he draws his salary.
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Magnum_Octopus

Posted 403 days ago
"HE can support them ... HE has extended his homestead" - don't you mean WE can support them?
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a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
.........with the exception that those Spanish chaps do not copulate with the bulls nor the cows, unless they are mentally sick or degenerate.............certainly not in 'that culture'.........
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ZwelakheSithole

Posted 403 days ago
Luthando, everything is wrong with Jacob Zuma marrying again. He is the President of the Republic and there represent me whenever he's going on a global trotting. My beef about this is that what are our kids learning from our Leader and No.1 Citizen? That is OK to have children willy nilly and not look after them? If you have children, then you will know what I am talking about in this day and age. It means being there in person.
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ThembaThwala

Posted 403 days ago
"Latest reaserch indicate that married people are even more at risk of HIV than singles, they can't always bargain for use of condoms." So you mean Zuma is four times at risk?

You seem to be suffering from ignorance. Zuma hardly touches his salary. The taxpayer pays for the state house he lives in, and each of his wives have assistant director level "PAs" who are paid for by the state. So Zuma can afford his wives as long as that money used to support them is from the taxpayer.

Lastly, if you want your wife to cook and serve you, then you must fire your domestic worker and let your wife resign from formal employment in order to serve you

LundiGcabeni

Posted 403 days ago
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How's that for South Africa's first Zulu president?
I'm embarrassed to be South African.
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ZwelakheSithole

Posted 403 days ago
Don't be embarrassed, Lindi. Many voters voted for the ANC and the ANC structures, in turn, fielded him as a President. Maybe we can work towards changing the Constitution of the Republic so that, in future, we vote for a person and not a party.

BornintheRSA

Posted 403 days ago
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This, along with his birthday broadcasts, just smacks of "ME" thinking. What a selfish man he is. Not a single thought for those in his kingdom who will do without whilst his extended family lives better than royalty.
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 403 days ago
At least he keeps his hatchet man- Gordhan - close by, like he did with Schaik. The only way to stop his carnal adventures is by keeping him as far away from the public purse as possible.

Spitfire

Posted 403 days ago
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What a disgusting old goat. No respect for women. No respect for the office he has. And no respect for tax-payers who have to fund his unbridled sexual shenanigans. He is becoming an international joke like Idi Amin - but for for different reasons.

tiredofuselessness

Posted 403 days ago
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This 70 Year old pig is an example to our youth...

I think not.

Zuma needs to go ASAP.

a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
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""""""For your information, Malema's speech was not directed to irresposble teenagers, but to resposible South Africans. This is a normal practice even in Europe, where people are compensated in the form of grants for making babies."""""

......where in Europe or anywhere else in the world have you read about a youth leader addressing to a gathering encouraging copulation just so the 'revolution does not loose steam' ??????........

.....and having 'the ways and means' does not signify "in case of need, copulate !!"".......at least not in "my culture".............

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Maxi

Posted 403 days ago
It does not necessary need to be the youth leader but the administration itself. Like in France citizens are encouraged to have more babies. For every baby born parents receive 1000 euros irrespective of their financial status.
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a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
.......and why do you think women in France or other civilized (±) country refuse to have more children.........

....but then again, according to your way of thinking, even the Bible sanctions the practice: "go forth and multiply".(Genesis).......ne ????
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Hi--Jack

Posted 403 days ago
@Maxi
Also applicable to your previous post..

This is true. I have an Austrian friend who benefited from the same, BUT there is a mark able difference. Europe's native populations are in decline. The developed /Industrial ones in Europe anyway. They need a workforce and a base which in future, can sustain the current ever more ageing population, i.e. pay their medical and pensions. Maintain the pyramid scheme if you like...

Call it future planning if you will.

In SA, quite the opposite is true.
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Maxi

Posted 403 days ago
Hi-Jack
When you refer to below indicators where do you think there is a real need for population grow?

- 50 million of South African population on1,221,037 km2 of land
- 82 million of Germany population on 357,021 km2 of land
- 65 million French population on 674,843 km2 of land

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a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
......aaahh!!......the statistician.........Can you tell us what is the population density in your examples, type of population of course, before we get the sophist conclusion?????.......
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Hi--Jack

Posted 403 days ago
@Maxi

No.
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Hi--Jack

Posted 403 days ago
@Maxi

There is no need for growth. Best not in the EU countries you listed. What you pointed out is that Africa has space, right?

Not true my friend. It's not a matter of debate, but of reality. Not your reality or my dream, but unfortunately fact.

Population growth has, and will kill us all.

Make a long story short(for now), I mean no disrepect, but the case for eg Rwanda, the Chiefs has no more land to share. His crying has not resolved anything, but to make case for war.

You know very well that Europe has less land required because of Industrialization etc. I stated it before

a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
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........and what happened with Sonono Khoza, the daughter of his friend Irvin ??.....she was supposed to be his No.? wife/fiancee/conquest, etc.... was she not ??

....was she shelved after the grand "slam-dunk" ???.........

LuthandoLukhozi

Posted 403 days ago
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Firstly, I would like to express sharp differences of opinion with the following bloggers, whose comments I read with bitter taste: tiredofuselessness, Spitfire, LundiGcabeni, Magnum_Octopus, m1si2zi3nzo4, ThembaTwala & a_stub_born (especially you stubborn stain)!

What is wrong with an African man following his African culture? His father was a polygamist, he comes from a polygamist society, so what is wrong if he exercises his right to be a polygamist?
What if the wives genuinely do not mind his polygamist ways, so who are we to interfere in their President's bedroom affairs?

The Presidency has been taking care (through The Spousal Office in the Presidency) of ALL former Presidents wives (including die-hard racists like Verwoerd) at taxpayers wallet all these years, why should Msholozi be treated differently?

Msholozi is a former herdsboy with a strong rural background, who was born into a polygamous family - so all that Zuma is doing is to take on from his forefathers. Just because you cheaters do not have either the guts nor the budget to officialise your mistresses now you want to judge Msholozi out of jealously? Show me a man who doesn't wish to have multiple consenting sexual partners & I will show you Jesus Christ's signature!!!

As much as on the political front I differ with Msholozi, but I will on this one (as a Zulu man) vehemently defend him!!!
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a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
.......you can disguise "promiscuity" under any justification, be 'cultural', 'zoological', 'religious', 'spiritual', etc.......

...if you can PERSONALLY afford to have 5 women or 5 partners, and in between have affairs with whoever you fancy, it's OK by me, but call the things by its proper name.......don't use foolish justifications.....and don't misuse the PUBLIC MONEY destined to other uses.....and we are in desperate need for proper uses.....

If you are the 'leader' engaging in tribal tendencies, don't expect your subjects behave differently and with all the risks involved and the damage to society in general.......

Can you name presidents in the past who had had five wives+partners+lovers, all of them "officially" recognized and paid by State expenses ?????......

"""""Show me a man who doesn't wish to have multiple consenting sexual partners & I will show you Jesus Christ's signature!!!""""""

.........most of us grow up our highly hormonal teen-age years loaded with sexual fantasies and stop reading Playboy or Penthouse in the toilet........unless you become Saddam Hussein's child or a russian mafia boss..........or a swazi little king.........
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a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
........and what about Zulu, or any other African women ????........are they really happy to be considered walking "semen receptacles" in different shapes and sizes according to you ???........

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the_original_MommaCyndi

Posted 403 days ago
You don't seem to know much about your own culture. Your culture does NOT support having children out of wedlock and it does NOT support promiscuity. It also doesn't support polygamy UNLESS all of the current wives agree with the choice and give their blessing for a new wife to enter the family.

We know for a fact that our president has no problem with sleeping with HIV positive young women and we know for a fact that our president doesn't seem to know what a condom is. That directly puts his various wives and mistresses at high risk. Which part of all that can be blamed on any SA 'culture"?

GreenRoom

Posted 403 days ago
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QUOTE OF THE CENTURY, MAYBE EVEN THE MILLENNIUM - here is the full email which crossed my desk recently

Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do. The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable
of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa.

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President.

GreenRoom

Posted 403 days ago
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LuthandoLukhozi - praise singer / mbongi for Msholozi by any chance
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a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
.....Judass kisser ????.........
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LuthandoLukhozi

Posted 403 days ago
You seem more like a dark room to me.
I think I'm more of a praise singer for facts (or atleast what I consider to be facts). Somewhere earlier in this forum I indicated to another fellow blogger the following:

Mr Sithole, what is your definition of culture?
Mine is merely values and practices that have over time been practiced by people of a particular grouping, which they seek not to change but restore over time, even if those practices and values are threatened by changing times & younger generations.

Why is Lobola still our African custom today, when your domestic maid (not your lobola paid wife) is likey to serve you your meal?
Even when your domestic maid has cooked the meal (well assuming your wife was at work when the cooking resumed), these modern wives won't even at least serve you the meal then (even though they didn't cook it). Yet we pay lobola fo such.
But settling the bill in a restaurant will never cease to be a man'sjob. The fact remains we pay lobola bcos it is our culture, that s how it has allways been. Therefore, let us not be at a supermarket when it comes to which aspects of culture we retain and which we ignore. Let's embrace our culture fully, including polygamy - which in my mind will solve many marital problems & reduce AIDS!!!

I think it's about time man come out in the open about the fact that they can't sleep with one woman for the rest of their lives!!!


So DarkRoom, that is what makes me stand by Zuma on this one (even though I differ with him politically.
I am reminded of a quote: "In matters of style, swim like a fish. But in matters of principle, stand firm like a rock"!!!
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a_stub_born

Posted 403 days ago
"lobola" is different from "polygamy" and "promiscuity".....

.......you can disguise "promiscuity" under any justification, be 'cultural', 'zoological', 'religious', 'spiritual', etc.......

...if you can PERSONALLY afford to have 5 women or 5 partners, and in between have affairs with whoever you fancy, it's OK by me, but call the things by its proper name.......don't use foolish justifications.....and don't misuse the PUBLIC MONEY destined to other uses.....and we are in desperate need for proper uses.....

If you are the 'leader' engaging in tribal tendencies, don't expect your subjects behave differently and with all the risks involved and the damage to society in general.......

Can you name presidents in the past who had had five wives+partners+lovers, all of them "officially" recognized and paid by State expenses ?????......

"""""Show me a man who doesn't wish to have multiple consenting sexual partners & I will show you Jesus Christ's signature!!!""""""

.........most of us grow up our highly hormonal teen-age years loaded with sexual fantasies and stop reading Playboy or Penthouse in the toilet........unless you become Saddam Hussein's child or a russian mafia boss..........or a swazi little king.........

........and what about Zulu, or any other African women ????........are they really happy to be considered walking "semen receptacles" in different shapes and sizes according to you???........