lol you know i really think ANC thinks that they are doing a great job..hahaha they cant even take constructive and honest critism from an educated analyst instead they stand behind a man who failed to pass cutting wood............goodness me this ship is sinking fast

Moeletsi Mbeki's criticism of Zuma disrespectful and disingenuous.

But so true.

"but has decided to embark on a role of being the voice of the opposition, instead of making a meaningful contribution within structures of the ANC and government in a quest to build a better country for all South Africans," he said.....

It is rather difficult for any one person to make a meaningful contribution to any organisation if hundreds and thousands of people within that organisation are busy making a huge noise about a lot of rubbish. That is why intellects like Moeletsi rather voice their opinion outside of the ANC, and what he says is very true, anyone with a brain should be able to see that.

Don't know why the ANC are suddenly so touchy - he criticised them even when his brother was in charge (and his brother was a decidedly much better president)!
Besides, he makes perfect sense in all his statements.

Moeletsi for PRESIDENT!!!

Mthembu, let me tell you about disrespect and being disingenuous:
Promising to act on a corrupt minister in the lead up to elections and then doing nothing;
Promising to revise toll road tariffs before an election and then doing nothing;
Promising to deliver housing, security, education and healthcare for all South Africans and then ruining each of these systematically;
Promising clean and moral government and then sinking lower than the National Party;
Promising to deal with corruption and then burying reports unfavourable to the ANC;
Promising a better life for all, stealing and plundering and plunging ordinary South Africans into poverty whilst your leaders bury their avaricious snouts ever deeper into the trough;
I could go on for ages with each of your hollow, empty and increasingly disgusting promises that you and your government have no intention of keeping, lest you have to share some of the loot with taxpayers - or even worse - those who are outside of the tax system because your economic policies prevent them from getting jobs. But I won't. Simply because the ANC is so arrogant, so inept, so economically illiterate and so morally bankrupt that it won't make a jot of difference.

Your version of events - that M Mbeki should discuss this within the ANC - is basically saying "whatever you do, don't let the public aware of what complete filth we are". Too late, Jackson, the glove is on the other hand now.

Why is the truth disrespectful? This man speaks sense, something sadly lacking in the ANC!
Imagine what all he'd have been called if he was white ... probably a racist as well.

Its a wonder the ANC have nothing to say on the Cele corruption scandal.
But please continue we are not really listening.

You only require an IQ over 40 to understand that the ANC has b#ggered up this beautiful country of plenty.

17 years of democracy and NOTHING to show for it (a few sporting tournaments don't count in the greater scheme of things).

All the while, ordinary SAns, black and white, are worse off than they were under the despicable Nats - using metrics like health, safety, crime, life expectancy, education etc. We sacrificed so much in return for so little.

Moeletsi Mbeki is a white, rightwing, racist Christian fundamentalist!

1.the best run municipalities are those that are run by the DA, and that is a fact.

2.Respect has to be earned. I find it impossible to respect a man who is obviously corrupt, who is incapable of making a decision, who see's the daughters of his friends as likely sexual conquests and who thinks that all one needs to do is shower after doing the dirty with a woman suffering from aids.

It was hardly a criticsm.

It was a statement of fact!

To quote Cele: "live with it!"

The ANC should be ashamed of themselves really. What has to happen in this country before this ANC madness stops. I pray that the rest of the south africans who still vote for the ANC will wake up soon and realise that these thieves are destroying this country.

"'bold enough' to reshuffle his cabinet and replace a significant number of ministers was none other than President Jacob Zuma," Mthembu said"
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What's the point of reshuffling to bring in more crooks that now will possibly cost RSA R1b? Reshuffling in the ANC means everybody needs their time at the through.

I wonder if any of our sh!t gets back to the ANC Nobility..you know..they get an earful of our stuff for once...I wonder if they think that a few of the SA people have their number and see throught the brown...then again they've got the other 61% to fall back on.

African people - like me - are completely disillusioned with the performance of their leaders because of what they have done and what they are doing, and for me these people should not be called leaders, but rather the elite," Moeletsi Mbeki, brother of former South African president Thabo Mbeki and chairman of the SA Institute of International Affairs, said, speaking at the CNN-MultiChoice media forum currently taking place in Bryanston, Johannesburg, today, Friday, 24 June 2011.
Mbeki, who predicted that SA will one day experience the Tunisian-style revolution in 2020, said many African leaders want to stay in power by, among others, rigging elections, harassing and sometimes killing journalists and enacting abusive and secretive laws - such as the Protection of Information Bill.

African leaders as "villains"

"They are also controlling the state and enriching themselves by diverting public resources into their own private consumption.

"These people are not leaders, but the elite," Mbeki said, hailing what he called the golden age of leadership that fought against colonialism and oppression.

Mbeki described African leaders as "villains", the group he said includes, among others, the Kagames, the Gbagbos and the Meles Zenawi, the Ben Alis and the Mubaraks of this world. "I never thought that after the liberation of our country, the ANC would become such a massive centre of corruption in SA, look at the arms procurement saga!"

The SA government is trying to shut the media up, by putting up laws that can pave the way to journalists being sentenced to up to 25 years. "And these are the people that are leading the continent, he noted.

The forum, which is being attended by all the nominees of the 2011 CNN-MultiChoice African Journalist of the Year Awards, also heard that due to this poor performance, many African people are catching the villains and trying to raise their living standards on their own and entrench their living standards.

African people, the real leaders

"For me, the real leaders are the African people, and that is the most important turning point in this continent," he said, adding that South Africans were euphoric 17 years ago about the future, but now a huge doubt lingers on people's minds.

"We have to ensure that the media is independent and economically viable because their role is very much critical for the development of the continent, as it facilitates the debate," he said, adding that if the media is financially weak, it will succumb to the government's big money and become the state's mouthpiece.

Mbeki, who is also a private business entrepreneur and director of several companies, stressed that the real drivers of development are the social structures and its political dynamics of a country.

According to Mbeki, SA is since 1994 being run by the bureaucratic bourgeoisie who is diverting resources into their private consumption, and have turned the country into the world's largest welfare state, as more than 15 million South Africans now survive on social grants.

China, not a good model for Africa

"Look at Nigeria, only 3% of its GDP comes from manufacturing and there are more Nigerian engineers in the US than there are in the whole of Nigeria. Why? Blame it on the leadership for failing to develop the economy."

"Manufacturing in SA, like in many African countries such as Zimbabwe, has been declining all these years, and we now see the de-industrialisation of the continent that created high levels of unemployment," he said, reiterating that China is not a good model for Africa.

"And when the leaders mismanage their countries, the people rise and catch the villains and design their own destiny. And the government responds by violence and oppression," he said, citing the Andries Tatane case study, whereby eight SA cops recently beat and shot the protester to death.

The Times Editorial: From today, we will run a countdown of the number of days that President Jacob Zuma has left in which to respond to the two reports by Public Protector Thuli Madonsela on the signing of leases for police headquarters offices.

Her latest report, on the leasing of office space in Durban, was released on July 14. In it, Madonsela said that the president would have 60 days in which to respond to allegations of maladministration by two of his senior officials: Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde and national police commissioner Bheki Cele.

Last week, Zuma's newly acquired adviser, Mac Maharaj, said the president was studying the reports, intimating that at some stage in the future we would hear from the Union Buildings.

The counter on the front page of The Times is not a cheap gimmick, put there to mock Zuma as he makes what must be an enormously difficult decision. After all, he appointed both Cele and Mahlangu-Nkabinde. If he were forced to undo their appointments it would be an admission of failure.

Zuma's response to the Public Protector's two reports - which are filled with pages of damning comment about the subversion of proper process - can certainly be viewed as one of the most important of his presidency.

Frequently accused of vacillating while South Africa burns, a strong and decisive reaction by Zuma will send a signal that he is capable of acknowledging a wrong decision and fixing it.

As the clock counts down to the last of the 60 days, Zuma must know that the nation wants to see a president acting with real intent.

The two reports represent so many things - that some of our Chapter 9 institutions are still working, that there are moments of hope and truth in our young democracy.

But, and this is what lies at Zuma's door, the reports also symbolise what is so very wrong with our democracy and society - that the very powerful and politically connected assume that processes can be altered, and good governance sacrificed, for the sake of allegiances

Zuma gets lambasted day in day out by columnists, Malala, Jansen, Makhanya, etc. So why this emotional reaction when it is Moeletsi. Is the ANC in some silent war with the Mbekis. One thing Jackson should know is that Govan Mbeki would never have tolerated this new corruption and consumerism culture of the "NEW ANC" that is led by illiterates and psycophants from top to bottom.

Moeletsi is a fool that plays into the hands of his 'handlers'. The same Moeletsi was very critical of his own brother's leadership due to the childhood rifts he had with Thabo since they were toddlers. He still holds a grudge for Thabo for puncturing his balloon in 1950.

This fool is being fooled by his name, Moeletsi -aka- Advisor, he thinks he can advise everyone on leadership. Just like some pale South Africans, they think they have the panacea for all the social ills. Moeletsi has never led anything in his life, other that his 4-5, now he thinks he can be a better leader than anything the world has ever seen. Even the stupid Mussolini used to make noise like Moeletsi does, then he was entrusted with leadership , only to turn into a sex-crazy nincumpoop.

ANC spokespeople are increasingly falling back on this "disrespectful" label. Mac Maharaj was using similar language last night in his interview with Deborah Patta on e-TV.

What is it about Zuma that I am supposed to respect? His unresolved corruption charges? His lack of sexual control? His primitive breeding habits in an overpopulated world? His views on gays? His banal chanting and dancing? His opportunism? His turning a blind and lying eye to his corruptor, the "dying" Schaik. His spineless inability to get rid of corruption? His unprincipled manoeuvres to bypass the justice system? His appointment of a lackey as the national public prosecutor?

Zuma is an altogether inappropriate choice for president. The only disrespect here, is the ANC's disrespect for the high office of the state president. It has demeaned that high office by electing such a woefully inadequate person into the office. Shame on the ANC for supporting him.

Ouuucchhh. The truth does hurt.

Thank you for giving volume and essence to what most sane Black South Africans have been saying for half a decade now.

It is very sad that Nelson Mandela's name, with the auspices of his All-so-very-rotten-to-the-core-with-greed descendants, is the Mantra of the Song-and-Dance Brigade.

Thanks to Govan Mbeki. Your father's contribution to the intergrity of Africa, and the struggle for liberation is indeed invaluable.

Much appreciation for your courage Son of the soil!!!!!

Much appreciation.