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Sat May 26 13:27:28 SAST 2012

Hawks ask for Malema records in trust fund probe

SIBUSISO NGALWA and MOIPONE MALEFANE | 31 July, 2011 02:11
ANC Youth League President Julius Malema addressing his supporters in Queenstown this week Picture: GARY HORLOR

While embattled ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema remains defiant about his questionable wealth, the Hawks are forging ahead with an investigation into his lifestyle.

The Sunday Times has established that the Directorate for Priority Crime Investigations has approached banks and cellphone companies to request the youth leader's records.

This is part of the preliminary investigation, handled by Hawks commercial crime head Hans Meiring, to determine whether Malema has a case to answer.

Hawks spokesman McIntosh Polela would not comment on whether the unit had requested Malema's banking and cellphone records.

He said: "We are still trying to obtain information which will help us determine whether or not to continue with the investigation."

The ANC seems to be digging its heels in on calls by alliance partner Cosatu for the ruling party's ethics committee to probe the allegations against Malema.

Malema yesterday said the Hawks never contacted him.

ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe said the party would not be dictated to: "I don't think ... people should stand on top of mountains when (allegations) emerge and instruct the ANC what to do. We are not going to get into the space where everybody howls .... internal processes of the ANC are not for public consumption."

The Hawks probe comes after lobby group Afriforum laid a charge of corruption against Malema, following reports that he allegedly used the Ratanang Family Trust to receive payments from business people seeking to buy influence.

Malema appeared unfazed by the controversy, telling a crowd in Queenstown in the Eastern Cape on Thursday that he had set up the trust for charitable causes.

"This trust they are talking about is a trust that continues to help the poorest of the poor. That trust has built churches ... houses for the poor. That trust has taken so many kids to school and that trust will continue to do that," Malema was quoted as saying.

Meanwhile Malema and his allies are consolidating their power in his home province of Limpopo amid a push for an elective ANC provincial conference to be brought forward.

Today the ANC in Limpopo will hold a provincial general council at which it is expected to decide to hold the conference in December.

This is seen as part of a strategy by the ANC grouping aligned to Malema ally, premier and ANC provincial chairman Cassel Mathale to eliminate their opponents ahead of the ruling party's 2012 conference. The conference is scheduled to be held in June next year.

Mathale's opponents want his leadership disbanded amid allegation of corruption and Malema's perceived influence over the provincial government.

The anti-Mathale grouping is understood to include provincial secretary Joe Maswanganyi and Joe Phaahla, the Deputy Minister Arts and Culture. Mathale's group wants Maswanganyi replaced by former SACP provincial secretary Soviet Lekganyane.

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arthurks

Posted 300 days ago
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Can we trust that justice will be done - I personally doubt it, as something will be deemed as "State security" or "too private" and the "Dilemma" will continue. It is a warning to us all, that he is so popular, obviously, many young people are convinced that he can deliver. So much like a politician further north who promised "free things", and nearly convinced enough people to vote for him.

Anticrooks

Posted 300 days ago
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I berlieve our police have more important things to do, like ensuring that a person who accidentally spills drink in the vicinity of the president meets the full might of the law. What a joke this country has become!
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seanred

Posted 300 days ago
Yes, but the joke is on us, and it is no laughing matter.

nkosipeter

Posted 300 days ago
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"We are not going to get into the space where everybody howls....."

Interpreted as: "Only Malema is allowed to howl."

Baas_Frik

Posted 300 days ago
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Smoke and mirrors.

MrMarket

Posted 300 days ago
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Just like mac maharaj and his wife received dubious payments from Shaik which were claimed to be for "consulting" work, so you may see malema touted as a "consultant" too.

Nice job description where anything goes.

khallawaya

Posted 300 days ago
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..........The Malema Rat-and-Gang Foundation for "charitable chastity" purposes........HA HA HA HA HA HA.............

khallawaya

Posted 300 days ago
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SA Reuters:

"""""The paper cited the previous owner of the house, who said Malema had made a combination of cash deposits and a bank loan to pay the 3.6 million rand owed in total. Malema has claimed the house was fully mortgaged.

The Sunday Times, citing deed and other searches, also said he had made a 2 million rand cash payment on the house -- now demolished in preparation for the building of what local media has said will be a mansion costing up to 16 million rand.

And the Sunday Independent newspaper reported a mansion was being built for Malema's grandmother.

Malema has said the fund is a trust for charities.""""""""

.....HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA..............

Siiinudeity

Posted 299 days ago
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Die poppe gaan dans.

Ultimatum

Posted 299 days ago
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If the hauwks are going to be a DA or Afriforum tool to disturb our nationalisation proceses, they will go down like the scorpions.

We take time to consider but quick in applying our considerations. We are watching you!
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Siiinudeity

Posted 299 days ago
The hawks is not a tool used by the ANC to ignore corruption.

Nor is the fact that the entire nationalisation booha, was just a diversion to distract attention from Malema's tenderpreneuring.
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Siiinudeity

Posted 299 days ago
Oh, and PS, the scorpions went down because they were investigating corrupt government officials. Which the ANC didnt agree with.

Unfortunately for you, some of us are not as ignorant as some of you.
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Ultimatum

Posted 299 days ago
I you think ANC or government is corrupt than you are ignorance. Dont forget that all these departments including the hauwks are formed by government or ANC. If they dont perfome their duties it is the government or ANC to evaluate and take decision.

Yours as a junior manager (DA) is to reseach and advise on the action to be taken!
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Ultimatum

Posted 299 days ago
Sorry yours is to reaserch and suggest on a solution(not advise)

I = If
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Siiinudeity

Posted 299 days ago
If you dont think the ANC government is corrupt, then you are ignorant. That, or stuck in a cave on mars with your eyes closed, and your ears shut.

Lest ye forget Pokoli, who was fired for daring to investigate corrupt ANC top dawgs.

Im sorry that your mind is shackled by the propaganda of your leaders, and that you are a mental slave to corrupt and evil people.
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Siiinudeity

Posted 299 days ago
Have you been following the KZN premiers corruption?

"Premier Zweli Mkhize is the highest-ranked official implicated in the tenders-for-kickbacks scandal involving Uruguayan businessman Gaston Savoi and water-purification plants."

timeslive.co.za/politics/2011/07/31/no-immunity-for-zweli-mkhize

Free your mind brother, from your mental slavery, and ignorance perpetuated to you by your leaders.
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Ultimatum

Posted 299 days ago
I'll reply to your garbage at night, I have to rush my Mom somewhere.

Prepare for a rough one!
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dwnwitjuju

Posted 299 days ago
Hey Ult! How's it?

...keep talking your revolutionary b.ullshit - you will be one of the first left behind when they no longer need you....
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Baas_Frik

Posted 299 days ago
I am not sure if you are joking or if you are delibarately ignorant. The current government is headed up by a criminal.If Shaik was guilty then Zuma by default was guilty. He abused his position to prevent the system to get to him. Corruption is synonomous with ANC. The two are mutually inclusive.
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Economic.Lieutenant

Posted 299 days ago

I agree.

Its more like the Concourt which has now been reduced into being an under-arm of Afriforum, CALS & FUL.

A very annoying and unsustainable situation.
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Baas_Frik

Posted 299 days ago
How long have we got to wait for your promised reply?
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BeesRoux

Posted 299 days ago
@ Ultimate Mampara!
The Hawks are serving all the people of SA. Not just your ANC masters who are looting & polluting this beautiful country!

In the words of your ANCYL chief clown: "You faceless Ape"
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Ultimatum

Posted 299 days ago
I don’t think you really know the definition of corruption, by saying our government is corrupt you mean even the opposition parties are corrupt.

My friend look around you when was the last time you had agreement with a black person. I dont think that has ever happened. In SA blacks and whites have different needs, Blacks want the government to make it easy for them to access things that were impossible to access before and Whites want government to protect what they got from the apartheid government.

How about the media, by being so biased is that not corruption. How about private sector (led by whites) they have been found guilty of price fixing, is that not corruption. Why is the DA not asking the hauwks to investigate the proceedings of these case?

Black people are robed every day in the farms and Afriforum never opened their mouths, why. Isn’t that corruption. When one white person suffer the media, DA and Afriforum screams. How about the fact that whites are paid more than blacks at same level of skills, Is that not corruption.

Until ANC stops BEE and other related structures they are not corrupt!
Until whites voluntarily share with the blacks and integrate the gains of apartheid, I’ll never take their advise!!!!
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Siiinudeity

Posted 299 days ago
What do you mean? Black and white people both agree that corruption is bad.

Yeah, public sector and private sector are both corrupt. Do you try and use private sector corruption as a means to justify public sector corruption?

No dude, both of them are wrong. Tiger cartel fixing breadprices, screwing poor people, is EXACTLY the same as corruption in government, screwing poor people.

I wasnt old enough to vote in 1994. Didnt get anything from apartheid. What 'apartheid gains' am I trying to protect?

Why do I have to share, when you, or Julius dont have to share with poor people?

Sorry Malcom X, just like Julius, you try and divert from the real topics by bringing in your black vs white race-war sh1t.
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Ultimatum

Posted 299 days ago
No, what I'm trying to say is your party only see corruption where there is white intrest only. If Afriforum was neutral they would also representthe intrest of Blacks.

They are only intrested in Malema, why. What does malema wants that whites or Afriforum have or stole.

If you really were smart you were not going to refer to your age when it comes to Apartheid gains. Until the intergration process is finished, evrey white person will be benefiting from Apartheid.

As much as your parents have influence in your future, so is their (stolen) possessions!
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Siiinudeity

Posted 299 days ago
If the ANC was neutral, they would have been represented at the Potgieter family murder. Wouldnt you say?

Hehe, just like julius, you accuse me, of being a thief, because Im white. Im just being labelled, because of my skin colour, just like what the apartheid government did.

Anyways, fact stands, you are just spinning your little black vs white racial bullsh1t to distract from your corrupt black brothers sitting in government.

At least I favour prison for anyone who is corrupt, be they black or white. You merely use your 'blackness' as a means to justify theft from our country, which you claim to be a patriot of.


Im sure Malcom X is turning around in his grave, at a fool making such BS statements in his name.
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Siiinudeity

Posted 299 days ago
Malcolm, statistically, for malema to be able to afford 3 multimillion rand houses, he would have to earn a salary in excess of R250,000 a month. Which would make him of the top 1% in the country, salary wise.

If your 'champion' is earning so much money, from 'charity donations', why isnt he investing this money into the poor communities?

Your hero is spitting on the poor. While preaching 'nationalisation' merely to distract his 'foot soldiers' from the fact that he's driving luxury vehicles, 3 luxury houses, while they live on less than R8 a day.

Think of the audicity, for your 30th bday party, having a big bash in a stadium. Inviting the poor people to your venue, and giving them water to drink, while you drink champagne on stage. The irony is, the people who were spat on with this show of discontent, dont even realise it.

SuiGeneris

Posted 299 days ago
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@ ultimatum

''''''''I you think ANC or government is corrupt than you are ignorance''''''

After this comment made by you, it is absolutely clear to all on this forum, that no one should ever ever take any note about any of your comments - Idiot !
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buddi

Posted 299 days ago
Ultimatum is living in a state of denial!

dwnwitjuju

Posted 299 days ago
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...and tell your "brothers" and "comrades" to pay their f.ucking bills!

-----timeslive.co.za/politics/2011/07/31/anc-owes-millions-for-polokwane