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Fri May 24 04:46:57 SAST 2013

Archbishop Tutu punts reparations tax

PHILANI NOMBEMBE | 24 August, 2011 01:0527 Comments
Archbishop Desmond Tutu addresses University of Cape Town students yesterday on fighting apathy and addressing social injustices in communities Picture: SHELLEY CHRISTIANS

Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu has repeated his call for white South Africans to pay a reparations wealth tax for benefiting from apartheid.

The retired cleric addressed students yesterday at the University of Cape Town, where the students' representative council launched its community outreach programme, Change Campaign.

Tutu drew a lot of criticism after proposing the wealth tax at a book launch at the University of Stellenbosch two weeks ago.

"I was not hoping that the response would be of people who still feel guilty but a response of people [who saw the tax] as a gesture of generosity and magnanimity.

"The problem would have been dealt with much better earlier. We had it in our report; unfortunately the government at the time didn't like the TRC so they didn't do that," said Tutu.

"In fact, for me now I could say that we are undermining what I had in mind by all the negativity, but there are people who saying let us look at it differently."

Yesterday, he also laid into the government over what he described as the poor standard of education, poorly managed health facilities and "cadre deployment". He said people often asked why he used the word "retired".

"It's difficult to shut up," he said.

Those who supported him on the wealth tax proposed that a fund be set up that would be administered by "people who are respected in the community so that people can benefit from that gesture".

The FW de Klerk Foundation dismissed Tutu's proposal as unconstitutional and said it would require the reintroduction of the racial classification and "other demeaning racial distinctions that were associated with apartheid".

"It would also be unfair. Would whites who opposed apartheid be expected to pay the same as those who supported it? Would there be different tax scales for whites who supported the ANC, the DP and the old National Party? And what about the many blacks who held well-paid positions in homeland governments?" the foundation said.

Tutu said he was appalled by the plight of school children who were still taught under trees.

"It's embarrassing. I went to a school in Mpumalanga four years ago and went into the library and there were no chairs and no desks. I said: 'No. Look at the standard of education.' We are beaten by the poorest countries in Africa. It's a disgrace," he said.

SRC president Amanda Ngwenya said the council believed Tutu would inspire others to help communities by participating in its outreach programme.

"We feel it's important for the students to take part in the society broadly and make a contribution. This is the second day in a week of events and I think someone with Desmond Tutu's calibre will inspire students into action," said Ngwenya.

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ClintonClark

Posted 638 days ago
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The guilt tax was payed, used for gravy train. As for tose schools, the "white" schools are old never burned nor vandalised, that is how the department saved money for beter education. If you do not look after or burn the books, they can not be pased on and have to be replaced, cost! The school buildings as well. Parents fixed the schools and kept them in good condition, reported if someone vandalized the school. Arch would you keep on to replace schools if the learners/comunaty keep on vandalizeing and burnnig it, intensionaly? This is not only schools but other infrastructure to!

crazymedic1

Posted 638 days ago
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OK if I pay this TAX will the goverment drop AA / BEE / etc
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juju4president2013

Posted 638 days ago
You will have to give up your huge farm and relocate to Australia too.
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RedCoat

Posted 638 days ago
Can i give up my 2 farms and my R16M house too? thanks for your permission.

acsteyn1652

Posted 638 days ago
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Arch

I think you have lost it. When you say "Whites who have benefited from Apartheid", how do you distinguish between these "whites"? Or is this just a blanket accusation that because you are white you automatically benefitted from Apartheid?

Why does this sound so racist? What do you have to say about black benefitting from democracy? Should whites be penalised for democracy?

So in your mind in our current democratic society whites are bad and black is good?

Perhaps it's time more time is spent on fleecing out the criminals now who steal as a result of this demovracy before it is destroyed. We will need more than reparation tax. We will need a few good solid prayers.

And please stop blaming the current situation on apartheid. It's almost twenty years later.

Why is it that there are so many enriching themselves like they did during apartheid. All that is changed is the skin colour. Now they feel entitled and owed, then they felt entitled and priviledged.

For God's sake, when will this stop? And, more importantly who is going to stop it?

You? I don't think so.

Razzo

Posted 638 days ago
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Interesting comment clinton.....I wonder where, when and to whom your guilt tax was paid. AA/BEE will not be dropped! The legacy of apartheid is too deep to suspend everything just because for a year or two there is a guilt tax. The tax or the funds that accrue from this tax must, in my opinion, be monitored by a special commitee which will have all political party representatives so as to oversee its fair distribution........but if it does go through and becomes law, it would be the first real step of huge significance that our white compatriots are taking toward real concilliation.

Gus

Posted 638 days ago
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Whites have paid and paid and paid and continue to pay in SA. Sorry "Toetoe" but this is too late. You cannot propose this after 18 years when the richest whites have all emigrated. The poor ones are left to pay for all. You can stick this idea in a crevice on your body! You and "your people" have devastated this country yet you parade around like peacocks like you have actually done something good. I will not pay anything to the ANC. I will support community projects(which I have done for years already) but NO way will I support the majority of black crooks in SA. The black tenderpreneurs are conveniently overlooked too as they benefitted from Apartheid more than the NAT government even did! Blacks are hypocrites!

Tronn

Posted 638 days ago
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The "crying clown" cannot gain enough attention in RSA, so he is now "crying" the old "A" song in USA to see if he can gain attention there.

Tronn

Posted 638 days ago
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In RSA , a young lady, Dr Yandela Ndema matriculated top of her class in 1991. At just 15 years old she made the move to Pietermaritzburg, where she decided to follow in her father’s footsteps and enrolled at the University of Natal for a B Proc law degree.
This success story goes to prove that all the claims that young black children never had access to education prior to 1994 are not quite correct. The truth is that the opportunities were there for those that wanted to learn and made the effort.
As someone said the other day, the "whites" in Australia build up their wealth without apartheid, so Apartheid cannot be the reason that blacks did not benefitin RSA.
Tutu must retire or quitely "pass on"

fuzzypip

Posted 638 days ago
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Why don't you just enjoy your retirement and go play bingo or bridge.Your time is up,you belong in a museum .

Razzo

Posted 638 days ago
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Interesting that when he makes comments about the ANC and corruption you people love him but as soon as he makes comments about apartheid reperations you all loath and ridicule him.........what a bunch of hypocrits with no back-bone!!!

Ignorance about what and how apartheid really affected black people coz you think 20 years is enoughto wipe out hundreds of years of white domination......and yes I do know that the terminology was only enforced in 1948 after Verwoed but it had already been in practice way before then......

Ill say it again for the arrogant ones: ......tick.........tick........tick........tick.......where will you be when the time bomb clock stops ticking!!!!!!!
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Tronn

Posted 638 days ago
Razzo

Why are we always using the Afrikaans word Apartheid?
The correct name was Separate Development.
The only reason it failed was because only one race was able to develop.
The other races were extremely jealous because they were unable to develop on their own, so they created a new word called Apartheid, because the rest of the world knew no better.
These other races created the impression that apartheid was an evil oppressive force that was preventing them from developing.
The whole world fell for this story and said "oh shame" and started boycotting our country.
Our "weak" government gave in to the pressure and handed the country over in 1994.
Unfortunately for the other races, they are still not able to develop, so they cry "compensation"and expect the world to hand out more and more freebies.
There is a limit to the amount of freebies that can be handed out though and already the world is backing off and saying not until either you help yourselves or you sell out to us so that we can come and grab all your mineral wealth.
The other races do not know how to develop the mineral wealth, so they will sell it off, just like the rest of Africa.
In most cases the countries in Africa have a ruling party that is cruel and corrupt and squanders all available money upon themselves.
They have created unemployment and poverty and misery for their people.
These people do not have their own homes or land and many of them seek refuge in other slightly stable countries.
This situation is not confined only Africa, but exists in many other counties too.
This dominance of one power over another has been ongoing since the beginning of time.
The stronger powers have overpowered the weaker powers and in many cases, dominated them through cruelty and suppression.
What do these people blame their misery on? Apartheid?


omni

Posted 638 days ago
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Why not? I'm white. I'd have no problem with this, as long as its not abused and corrupted.
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juju4president2013

Posted 638 days ago
as long as you also return that huge farm that your grand fathers obtained from apartheid and you relocate to Australia.

SkyLukeWater

Posted 638 days ago
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Dear Archie

1. Why don't we start by getting our hands on the arms-deal paybacks. That alone is worth an estimated billion rand, right?

2. Look at government over-spending on lease agreements and on the fancy cars and houses for ministers/mp's. I would estimate that to be another billion or two.

3. Laws should be ammended to strip assets from those who are found guilty of tenderpreneurship or corruption (they are stealing this country blind and do not contribute to an improved South Africa for all).

4. You cannot punish someone for being good at something. They are successful, already paying more tax than you and I, and they probably employ many people so leave them alone. They're white but that doesn't make them guilty of anything.

5. You cannot expect super wealthy to understand the problems of impoverished communities. And you cannot force them to do so. That would be unethical. You can lead them to water, but it is they who decide if the waters are worth drinking (i.e. where's the incentive? white guilt? puleez)

This country needs a change in policy - government is employing too many people and they are all being overpaid. Those that feel they deserve more are pulling strings while bending and breaking the law. Private sector wages no longer compete with Government - don't you find that a little strange? This government has run out of ideas, and its citizens are footing EACH AND EVERY SINGLE BILL. Something needs to change ...

Wiseguy

Posted 638 days ago
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Dear Moderator....read my comment before rejecting it....Thank u!
Wiseguy

Tronn

Posted 638 days ago
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Razzo
You are quite right. I left our the little details that you all like to highlight in order to gain sympathy from other countries, but the overall picture is 100% acurate.
If we were all the same colour, then it would make more sense to you
Sorry, I know it is a bitter pill to swallow..............

Wiseguy

Posted 638 days ago
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Dear Moderator have u found and read my comment yet?? I did spend a bit of time thinking about it and would be dissapointed for it to be rejected because of one word, which given the context I used it in....is HARDLY h@te speech???

Tronn

Posted 638 days ago
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I think dear old Tutu is losing it. With one breath he states that since 1994 the country has been falling apart due to the incompetence of the ruling party and then he has the cheek to ask us to pay more for their incompetence.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

drcrowley

Posted 638 days ago
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To be on the wrong side of Tutu is to be on the wrong side of history.

As a 30-year-old white professional, I think the reactions from 'older commentators' to Tutu's suggestion indicates a basic SELFISHNESS on the one hand, and secondly COGNITIVE DISSONANCE because they believe acknowledging material benefit from Apartheid is the same as being responsible/guilty for Apartheid. This is a fallacy. I was born in 1980. If it weren't for my parents, I would not have been able to go to good schools, eat healthy food, have a dry bed every night, afford university and be in the job I am today.

This being said, my willingness to pay a tax to reflect this benefit is contingent upon whether the funds can be ring-fenced, and whether the Fund itself is going to resemble a pariah such as the National Lottery Board, or the Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation.

That is the real issue to be addressed, not the paranoid selfishness reflected in these comments.

Being an old English suburban liberal who once attended a political meeting does not negate the fact that you have benefited!

wong

Posted 638 days ago
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R693-million had been spent on luxury cars, perks for the president's spouses and buying and decorating ministerial houses. Get the money from them

inkunzi

Posted 638 days ago
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I thought Tutu announced his retirement, again, last year or earlier this year. None the less, tutu was busy crying during the TRC instead of making these recommendations then. Me thinks The old man should go enjoy his final years with his family somewhere in the Bahamas or Knaysna and leave the politicians to deal with politics.

Wiseguy

Posted 638 days ago
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OK...lets try this again...moderator is clearly out to lunch and auto-pilot is on!

The point I was trying to make is that Apartheid was a crime against humanity but to base any form of reparations on RACE is not the way to go! Why, well:
1) Not all current whites living here benefited from Apartheid, indeed those who opposed Apartheid were oppressed,intimidated and disenfranchised.
2) Many whites who currently live here, arrived after 1994 as emigrants.
3)Many whites who did benefit from Apartheid now live overseas and have taken their "loot" with them
4)There were a small number of influential and polically involved non-whites who also benefited from Apartheid.

So, while I like the idea of a reparation fund, it should be made up of monies claimed from those individuals and companies who can be PROVEN to have benefited from Apartheid and its laws.
This is one that should be resolved in the courts and by lawyers. Those who have fled this country, could be brought to justice and made to make financial amends with the aid of the international community.....who were very outspoken about the immoral and unethical nature of apartheid....so they shouldn't have any problem with a reparations fund and helping to persue those who benefited from it. I am suggesting something similar to what the German gov did for those who were disenfranchised and persecuted by the N@zi regime. But it must be based on fact and not race....we really need to move away from race based legislation in this country!!!!

disillusionedstill

Posted 638 days ago
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You err similarly to the wh1te racists.

Your argument is against racism and your frustration is caused by the post 1994 individuals who have probably irrevocably ruined that which you, Mandela, Coetsee, Suzman, de Klerk, et al achieved.

No amount of money will fix the problem or reform the racists.

Perhaps the person who has done most damaged is Zille - her's has been a platform based on hatred which, via an accommodating media, she has deliberately infused into fear filled minds.

Sad and evil self-serving destruction of hope.


martinde_winter

Posted 580 days ago
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i think this is appalling. i am a 29 year old white male that worked hard for what i have (still not "coining" it by any means, just surviving), i was never part of apartheid and i have respect for all races of people. yes i hate (yes i say hate) all kinds of people equally when needed. black, white, pink etc. i have read swiftly through some of these comments and they mostly make valid points. i am no politician but i do have a voice that can speak out when wronged. i cant grasp how a man of "god" can even consider such a crime against his fellow man. i say crime becos we are robbed everyday, not just by criminals but also by the criminals and charlatans that run this country. take a real good look how blacks have benefitted from post-apartheid in recent years. i have black people even at my work with less knowledge than me that earn more based on their skin colour. its apartheid in reverse. i refuse to pay my hard earned money to ignorant and greedy blacks based on what some assholes before me did to this country. desmond tutu i hate you now for being so myopic so take your crucifix and shove it up your sanctimonious ass