'Ban The Spear, stone its maker'
As the ANC yesterday prepared to launch its court bid to have the controversial painting of President Jacob Zuma removed from the Goodman Gallery, in Johannesburg, one of South Africa's biggest churches called for artist Brett Murray to be stoned to death.
Enoch Mthembu, spokesman for the Nazareth Baptist Church, commonly known as the Shembe church, said: "This man has insulted the entire nation and he deserves to be stoned to death.
"What he did clearly shows his racist upbringing because art does not allow people to insult others.
"This is an attack on the culture of the majority, the black people of South Africa. With our culture we are allowed to marry many women. And white people must understand that and tolerate our culture as we do theirs. We are not like some of them who prefer prostitutes as they regard women as sex objects," said Mthembu.
The furore that started on Thursday afternoon - with ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu issuing a statement criticising the gallery and Murray, and City Press newspaper for publishing the painting on its website - has shown no signs of abating.
Mthembu yesterday urged ANC supporters to gather in the Johannesburg city centre today "as an act of solidarity to the president and the ANC .
"We view this portrait and the depiction of the president by Brett Murray and the Goodman Gallery as distasteful, vulgar, indecent and disrespectful," he said.
Further condemnation came from ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe, who described the painting as disrespectful and "racist", and encouraged marches against the gallery.
"We have not outgrown racism in the 18 years of democracy. I can tell you, if you depict a white politician in that form the outcry will be . totally different," Mantashe said.
Five members of the Film and Publication Board visited the gallery yesterday to assess the artwork, The Spear, part of Murray's "Hail to the Thief II" exhibition.
Justice Minister Jeff Radebe said yesterday that the painting was an insult to most South Africans and, "If that is art, I don't know what an insult is".
Pamela Stein, of law firm Webber Wentzel, representing the Goodman Gallery, was yesterday unaware of the Justice Department's view that "the conduct under scrutiny amounts to no less than crimen injuria".
Department spokesman Tlali Tlali said: "We are giving it serious consideration and will probably approach the police to request them to conduct a criminal investigation into the matter. Should we pursue it, we will do so on behalf of the president ."
The Johannesburg High Court will hear an urgent application by the ANC and Zuma today.
The founding affidavit states that the portrait depicts Zuma "in a manner that suggests that I am a philanderer, a womaniser and one with no respect. It is an undignified depiction of my personality and seeks to create doubt about my personality in the eyes of my fellow citizens, family and children."
In responding papers, gallery owner Liza Essers said: "The Goodman Gallery must respect the decisions of the artists that have solo shows as to what work they wish to display. No member of the public should be able to tell these artists which art works they should exhibit and which they should not. In turn, the Goodman Gallery cannot be a gallery of integrity if I let any individual, even the most powerful, dictate as to its content."
Though officially closed to the public yesterday, there was much activity at the gallery even as a security guard turned away visitors.
Essers told local and international journalists - and the five members of the Film and Publication Board - that Murray has been recognised as a satirical artist for over 20 years and had criticised the apartheid regime in his works when the National Party government was in power.
"The exhibition is not about one piece of work. There are 60 works that make up the show and The Spear should be viewed in its full context.
"Brett has always taken well-known icons and trademarks and represented them in a different context - this is his chosen mode of artistic expression."
Raymond Louw, a member of the board of the Freedom of Expression Institute, said: "It's not what I regard as something I would enjoy looking at.
"But it makes a pointed, political message that needs to be put out in the public domain for people to think about."
But not everyone was offended by The Spear. Tselane Tambo, daughter of the late ANC struggle icon Oliver Tambo, said on a social networking site: "So the Pres JZ has had his portrait painted and he doesn't like it. Do the poor enjoy poverty? Do the unemployed enjoy hopelessness? Do those who can't get housing enjoy homelessness? He must get over it. No one is having a good time. He should inspire the reverence he craves. This portrait is what he inspired. Shame neh!"
Jonathan Shapiro, aka Zapiro, currently being sued by Zuma for his cartoon showing the president preparing to rape Lady Justice, said yesterday: "I support Brett Murray in so many ways.
"This is a powerful piece and depicts Jacob Zuma as he portrays himself to the public.
"The ANC is characterising Brett incorrectly as a racist. Brett has a long struggle history. He has done vicious pieces against apartheid since the 1980s. The entire exhibition is a very powerful critique of the ANC and how they have slipped away from the Freedom Charter's ideals and from their own moral high ground. The Spear shouldn't be seen in isolation.
"If the ANC succeeds with the interdict, it will be a very sad day for all of us doing similar work, and it will change things for all of us doing similar things. It would be unconstitutional."
The litigation between Zuma and Shapiro will begin in the Johannesburg High Court in October. - Additional reporting by Mhlaba Memela, Chandré Prince and Amukelani Chauke







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Posted 361 days agoWort
m1si2zi3nzo4
This Mthembu's stock of sheep must be dwindling severely.
GregSmith
SindiM
GregSmith
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
If anything, this Zuma painting has exposed the hypocrites among us. I often wonder how people like Jeff Radebe, Cyril Ramaphosa and many of these senior ANC leaders who have one wife explain this situation. What do they tell their wives and what do their wives say in return? "Sweetheart! you know I am not like that. I do not believe in that and I am not a Jacob Zuma and please do not look at me like I am one. But this is politics and we have to defend our own whether right or wrong!".
newshound
Timbuck9
Posted 361 days agoSad comment to make.... when all they do is MILK THE MASSES/ CONGREGATIONS of their hard earned cash...
mikesmith
Afrikado
As to the nature of the comment I have my views on that.
Razzow
AlfredNeumann
Scribbles
Posted 361 days agoAs for the so-called “racism” and its relation to artwork “The Spear”, I have to ask, are we going to take every minor offence against another as racism from now on? I’m not sure I like the direction such a path will take us. We’re already an overly sensitive nation without crying racism and creating widespread uproar every time some random person is somehow demeaned or made fun of. I suppose Zapiro better start toning down his caricatures then and we might as well censor TV in general. I should add that this will be a great step towards making us the most BORING nation in the world.
LataniRamalivhana
the_original_MommaCyndi
Posted 361 days agoWould there be an outcry?
I'm getting very tired of the race card being hauled out at every opportunity. Racism is a very real and very devastating illness in our country. Hauling out the poor tattered and abused race card like this simply devalues it and makes it a 'cry wolf' farce.
Mahen
Clearly they are milking this now since they know they cant do it much longer
CarelSteenekamp
Here'sJohnny!
SecretVoice
Posted 361 days agoThese words could also apply to Jacob Zuma.
To me this is a disgusting painting of a disgusting man. I am not condoning the public display of such a vulgar painting just as I do not condone the vulgar public lifestyle of the President.
The incitement of violence by a church leader is perhaps the most vulgar of all. To label this painting as an act of racicim is beyond comprehension. Everyone who does this clearly displays their own bias and as such prove their own racism.
Razzow
Mike123
Posted 361 days agomzansi-wanda
Posted 361 days agoIt is not my culture to have kids out wedlock, more so if your have izithembu (a number of wives).
It is not my culture sleep my with friends children who regard me as their malume or babumcane/babumkhulu.
It is not my culture to hoard business deals for my nephews and kids, who don't have the wherewithal to run them save for my clan name.
It is not my culture to enjoy all earthly delicacies whilst my people remain steeped in chronic poverty. Infact, my culture dictates that I should not go to bed with a full belly without knowing whether my neigbour's belly is full.
Mr Mthembu,together with the other religious fanatics are the reason why some of us don't take religion seriously!
Mike123
SpotLight
SecretVoice
Sinbadmen
efil4zaggin
Timbuck9
WELL SAID!!!!!
Black-Moses
Mahen
Wiseguy
Telling it like it is......let the hypocrites be exposed!!
Mrobi
(YOUR DEEDS SHALL FOLLOW YOU HIS EXCELLENCY JACOB ZUMA).
You like to unzip a lot and these artists will always reflect on you. For now just take Zapiro's advice and live with it because this is who you are and they are just reflecting on your real life. The Mthembus and Mantashes should just read our constitution between the lines. They seem not to understand that in a democratic state like ours freedom of expression ought to be embraced. If Juju was not fired he would have addressed this things in a very excellent manner. Goodluck Cde Zuma, unfortunately unlike during the rape and corruption charges, this time around people are too busy to chant outside the Courts. Many are still to come, this are just the signs of the downfall of Pharao's ruling. He must also watch-out for the possibility of reinstating the corruption and rape charges which were sympathetically dropped. We are too busy to chant this time.
Goodluck bra,
Mrobi Pitori
mikesmith
Posted 361 days agoSecretVoice
Scribbles
Seriously though, there's no complex reason. Many of our leaders simply don't like being mocked.
Sinbadmen
the_original_MommaCyndi
It is actually a form of punishment to strip someone. A common thief would be stripped in public to demean him. Thus, having a leader and an elder with his bits sticking out is considered to be disrespectful and demeaning.
We also don't seem to have much idea of art interpretation or of symbolism in art. All in all, we tend to be a literal bunch.
Scribbles
Unless of course we're talking about "bring me my machine gun", "spilling blood," or "shoot the boer", then we suddenly have a full and complete understanding of figures of speech, even if only briefly.
the_original_MommaCyndi
GregSmith
ArseneLupin
Posted 361 days agoHow Old Testament...
Sinbadmen
Posted 361 days ago123Franky
Posted 361 days agoIf I were him, I would have proposed a meeting between Jacob Zuma and the artist, and engage the two along the lines of morality, hence Christianity.
Sinbadmen
mzansi-wanda
Posted 361 days agoYerrrrr, it pains me what is happenning to once a glorious movement. This is not the ANC of ISITHALADWE O.R Tambo, ISITHALANDWE Luthuli, ISITHALANDWE Joe Slovo and ISITHALANDWE Chrs Hani.
Sinbadmen
GregSmith
SpotLight
Posted 361 days agoTerritc
Posted 361 days agoNow to Minister Radebe Minister Radebe - How dare you. How dare you speak on my behalf. I am not the majority nor am I offended. What does offend however, is the horrific conditions under which many of South Africa's children are forced to live (See UN Report in case you have your head in a hole and don't know what I am talking about).
That court case and criminal investigation is a waste of my hard earned cash. How dare you waste taxpayers money with this nonsense. How dare you put this nonsense above these children's needs. How dare you not have the decency to recognise what is important and what is not. Let Zuma fight his own battles in his own time. You and the rest of your ANC cronies need to focus on living up to the promises that got you elected in the first place. How dare you!!!
Brett, here's my solution to this nonsense. Paint a potrait of yourself or your Dad with your spears in full glory.
Saha
Posted 361 days agoGo on. Let the partisan mentality and the loathing aimed at an individual tear this fragile society apart once more and we’ll never be ONE.
Kapitalissimo
2PSam
Posted 361 days agoKeithMahommed
Posted 361 days agothe_original_MommaCyndi
Your interpretation is that this is an attack on polygamy and promiscuity. That is not necessarily what the artist intended and it certainly isn't my interpretation of the painting. The symbolism of Stalin and the stance show me someone who is oblivious to being exposed. Race, religion or ethnic group doesn't enter into it.
LiezellB
Posted 361 days agoIf only they can spend the same amount of energy, money and time to actually sort out corruption, fraud and unemployment, the country would be in much better shape.
rrza
Posted 361 days agoKapitalissimo
Posted 361 days agoIjooo
Posted 361 days agoSecretVoice
AFRICAis60%MUSLIM
Posted 361 days agoscum
Posted 361 days agom1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 361 days agoRazzow
Posted 361 days agom1si2zi3nzo4
Razzow
the_original_MommaCyndi
StoneAngel
Posted 361 days agoRazzow
Posted 361 days agoKapitalissimo
SecretVoice
But I am preaching to the bias and racist. You will never understand because you don't want to. You are just like Jacob Zuma and his fellow leaders. They only care for their own and stuff the rest especially the poverty stricken uneducated people who voted for them. Disgusting would you not agree.
RedCoat
Posted 361 days agoPhilip Freneau
KafreeMoneykey
Posted 361 days agoThis threads on hate speech and I hope the authorities will do what is right as this church going man has diregarded Section (2)(c) of our constitution. Enoch Mthembu, you have the right to freedom of expression but your incitement to cause harm is dangerous and out of order.
Enoch Mthembu ""This is an attack on the culture of the majority, the black people of South Africa. With our culture we are allowed to marry many women"
I hear your views here however, polygamy has got rules as well. Polygamy allows you to have as many wives as you want (and can afford) but it does not allow one to engage in a relationship outside of the confines of the marriage or wedlock. I could have taken you seriously if you shouted ontop of your head during the shower incident. Why are you showing hypocritical tendencies as a head of churh nogals?
ANC Woman's League : "Painting vilolates Presidents Integrity"
Zimbhokodo zethu, I am totally against the depiction of a penis in that portrait and I certainaly do not see anything artistic about it. However, mothers of our nation, how do you really come out in support of our Presidents integrity after your silence on shower incident and Sonono Khoza's love child? Julius Malema had to defend that nonsense as well and look where he is today, at least he was man enough to apologise to the lady. I am fully aware that the president was not charged with rape but what he did was out of the wedlock (not allowed even in polygamy) and he compromised his integrity by himself. To the ANCWL, stop politicing please.
Zuma : "It is an undignified depiction of my personality and seeks to create doubt about my personality in the eyes of my fellow citizens, family and children."
My President, power comes with responsibility and a very high standard of integrity barometer. The perception that the majority of the public has of you makes it very difficult to defend you even if you were wronged. Maybe it is time for a reality check and assess where this thing comes from and whether or not it is worth fighting for. Oh by the way, this incident cannot be viewed with a racial eye as South Africans off all races have a differing view. Some of my white friends feel this is disrespectful and some of my black friends feel you got what you deserved.
Eish, inzima lento!
rrza
Wiseguy
Well said sir!
SecretVoice
MusaMahlangu
Posted 361 days agoBlack-Moses
RogueTrooperv2
a_stub_born
Posted 361 days agoa_stub_born
Posted 361 days agoGregSmith
Posted 361 days agoWiseguy
Posted 361 days ago1) Push up the value of the painting to obscene levels!
2) Result in many many many more artists taking on controversial political figures with their art, in a hope to get a reputation and some artistic credibility. Artists are now going to push that limit further and further.......partially thanks to the huge free publicity.... care of the ANC.
LOL.....watch this spot!
Oh and all of this while the UN report on the terrible state of our Nation and its children gets quietly swept under the carpet.......or is that lost in the smoke screen of ANC hype ???
Racism...... my foot Mantashe !! There is NO racism here!!
a_stub_born
Posted 361 days ago...as my representative, he has not proven himself clean and uncorrupted from all charges made to him, nor he is clearly willing to do so......
...as my representative, he engages in promiscuous conduct and sexual scandals and justifies himself as culturally obliging.......
.....as my representative, he condones corruption, avoids corrupt party members to be brought to justice, rewards corruption by appointing sinister cadres and murder and fraud suspects, and frees thousands of jailed criminals back into the society as a cheap way to get more votes.........
....as my representative, he has no remorse to flaunt his personal enrichment and enriching his numerous progeny and to drink champagne on my behalf..........
......with his debauchery and complete lack of testicular fortitude up to the point that he has allowed the lowest clown in the circus to challenge the ringmaster and still has not shown him who is in command.
With the protection and encouragement of criminal activities inside the ring of chosen partners in crime.
With these abilities he has not hesitated to paint with the same brush to AL the citizens of SA,black and white..........
.........and he feels offended by someone exposing the best of his ability in thinking part ??????................
a_stub_born
BootC
Posted 361 days agojeedo
Posted 361 days agoRogueTrooperv2
Black-Moses
KafreeMoneykey
Posted 361 days agoIf I were him I was going to laugh this off since the portrait is not off the mark in depicting my past actions! I have to say that the piece is accurate though I would not promote it! I feel it is a bit insulting, but in this case a bit true. I have never knew that there will be a time when a penis causes so much uproar!
Makes me think of Bill Clinton's impeachment cartoons!
Wiseguy
Posted 361 days agoA democratic and free society in which freedom of expression is allowed and enshrined in our constitution, I believe,......even if that means a vulgar painting depicting the short comings of our president.......not that I support the artists work.....but it is his constitutional right !!!!
jeedo
Ever heard of the Limitation Clause...Wise Guy? No right is absolute.
16. Freedom of expression
academic freedom and freedom of scientific research.
Pictures of the president that he may not personally like do not appear to fall under any of those categories -ED
Wiseguy
Or as in you cannot shout racism at a work of art if there is no racism, Jeedo ??
Mugabe99
Posted 1 hours ago
You are in the wrong section of the Const , the correct section is sec 10
devanzlive
Posted 361 days agoRogueTrooperv2
Posted 361 days agoWiseguy
Posted 361 days agoThis committee will have wide and far reaching powers and artists will possibly be jailed for anything up to 25 years for depicting senior politicians(with a "slight" bias towards senior ANC politicians) in a derogatory or vulgar manner.
Naturaly this committee will consult widely but the politician affected WILL have the final say in the matter. There that should appease the current ANC leadership or maybe not??
Maybe they think this is strong enough grounds to bring back the death penalty ??
ANC....you are FAST becoming a circus or your own design !!!
All this while our children suffer........see UN report on the state of the nations children.
Now why don't we see this type of hype over our children who are living in abject poverty?
Surely this issue of this countries children warrants serious hype......not some vulgar art work???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
devanzlive
Mangqeshane
Posted 361 days agoThough I do not agree with Lugogo, but I feel his pain for this insult levelled at Mpangazitha, our leader, fellow African, umZulu wakithi.
I don't care how much one may despise uZuma, its immaterial but that potrait has nothing to do with art. I am actually amaze that amaZulu ase Goli haven't acted rowdy regarding this. We despised ET and no Black artis can create a provacative potrait of ET bending provocatively next to a Balck youth with its genetals exposed (based on the current murder trial)
devanzlive
I do not think it was rude of the artist, in fact, I think it is the most accurate depiction yet of our government. Just read the papers! This painting WAS NOT RACIALLY BIASED!!! It was a depiction of our leader's skills and the cadre he is leading.
Scribbles
As for your suggestion of it having "nothing to do with art", I'm afraid to say that the very definition of art disagrees with you. You might not like it but that doesn't stop it from being art, no matter how hard you try.
As for your OPINION of others who disagree with you being ludicrous, well that's just absolutely ludicrous. Ha, see wat I did thar?
RogueTrooperv2
@ Mangqeshane...I reckon that I am asking the same question but sitting on the other side of the same fence. Not all art is to everyones taste and is not always appreciated....I personally find most Rennaissance art dull and to focussed on religion and as a result do not like it, yet I find the work of Dali, for example, fantastic and thought provoking. The works of Klimt and Picasso strangely provocative and abstract and the work of Bosch macabre but brilliant. I know that there are those who will disagree but that's art...it's starts debate and insightful conversations...much like this piece. Personally I believe that this whole saga is a puerile and immature over reaction by the ANC and it's sad outdated Stalinist view on politics.
mzansi-wanda
By the way, I don't have a problem with polygamy. I find the picture distateful. However I am not going to defend a man who sleeps with his close friend's daughter who regards him as ubabumcane (father figure) and a few years later impregnates another close friend's daughter.
I can't believe that this is acceptable in any BLACK culture. Yes my my brother, nami ngu muntu umnyama. Half Sotho/Swati/Zulu/Tswana to be specific.
OBigOneKenobi
Now my question as a white person, can a black person help me understand this? Why do black people have a tendency to respond with violence when things don't go their way? Is that behaviour not a bit dated?
Sinbadmen
Posted 361 days agoAnti_Propaganda
Posted 361 days agoRogueTrooperv2
Scribbles
Let me be blunt, everyone has the freedom to express themselves, not censor other artists or VANDALIZE property.
I say this with no offence intended but some of you really need to put more thought into your comments before clicking "Submit my Reply"...
m1si2zi3nzo4
Your 'freedom' does not allow you to destroy another person's freedom. It allows you to paint another person's imagined prick, if you can, but definitely not deny another person's gift. Go try your artistic skills at painting Brett's testicles, and see how many people will respond to it, let alone buy it.
Please man, let's remove the prick in our brain now. My uncle used to say that 'once it stands up, the brain goes down' . We have tried to stop your president rubbing it up, because it hurts our pockets. But he has consistently ignored our plea, and gave us the finger. Anything to stop him hurting us will do now.
devanzlive
l984
Posted 361 days agoWell, the famous painting now resembles Mr Bean's Whistler's Mother.... and has just become even more valuable and controversial as there is already history behind it as well (developing further as we speak...)
Sinbadmen
Posted 361 days agoPolice big boss: I will!
Later.
Police: Hey you two, would you like a R1000
Two guys: Yes Sir
Police: Here is a bucket of paint, get rid of the spear
Later
Jurno: Hey they have defaced the picture, somebody grab them!
Security: You dogs! Call the police
Later
Police: We'll with them from here
Later
Police: Get out of the car and disappear, here is R500 each
spain
spain
SpotLight
Posted 361 days agoAnti_Propaganda
Posted 361 days agoSo damaging a person's reputation, an organisation's reputation a culture's reputation on the basis of "art" is within the prescripts of law? Dont be daft! By attaching a price on the medium does not take away the implicit derogatory depiction of any person. Freedom of expression is and should not be interpreted to defame, defile, inappropriately represent and disrespect any person's dignity!
Dignity is also a human right. It has been infringed. dont be so narrow as to think this has only one perspective (which so happens to benefit you and like-minded people) It is a gross encroachment of another human being's dignity, rights and image. e.g. If u masturbate it does not give me the right to paint you masturbate and sell/display it and claim "ART"... You, like-minded people and the media are the ones dragging this country to unimaginable moral ruins by the despicable promotion of such "expression"...
m1si2zi3nzo4
That vandal did what he only knows, violence. His brain is so full now he can't think.
devanzlive
Scribbles
You might see the perfect future with such an approach but all I see is the next fashion statement, straight-jackets!
RogueTrooperv2
Ok...I'm going to break this down but be advised that this is my opinion, albeit it one shared by millions of people.
1- JZ has done more damage to his reputation that any painting can. He has over 700 unanswered criminal charges hanging over his head, has been proved to have corrupt relationships and as such is corrupt, practices extra-marital affairs and has children out of wedlock and to even try an argue CULTURE here will show your ignorance and immaturity...so rather maintain dignity and let that slide ok?!
2- The ANC has ruined their reputation beyond repair (and belief considering the base they come from), their failures are testament to that...health, education, service delivery, tender rigging etc etc...so stow the ANC's reputation argument.
You talk of dignity...where is JZ's respect for anybody's dignity let alone his own. He is an embarresment to the entire nation's dignity. He makes a mockery of the office of president and certainly has no moral rectitude...AT ALL. He opened himself to this kind of scrutiny when he evaded his 'day in court' and raped a women and again eluded conviction.
To use the anaolgy re: mastubating shows your level of emotional intelligence and makes me realise that debating with you is pointless as it would be proof of the ...."don't argue with an idiot because the people watching may not be able to tell the difference"
BUT suffice it to say that you need to open your mind a little and at least be tolerant to other viewpoints and realise that the world is not confined to your conservative view!!!
a_stub_born
where is the dignity of the unemployed and impoverished while the ANC Minstrels and Parliament choristers live the jet-set life and only remember communities in time for elections to go out and dupe them once more......
.....where is the dignity of SA citizens when THE PRESIDENT behaves like an uncontrollable horny satyr justifying "his culture"..........
Pinkpout
The state or quality of being worthy of honour or respect.
A composed or serious manner or style.
If dignity is the state or quality of being worthy of honour or respect can this term truly apply to Jacob Zuma. Zuma has no morals at all and openly flaunts this in public through his embarrassing displays of "zulu culture". Multiple wives, 21 children, affairs (sleeping with the daughter of a friend of his being one of them - he also had a child out of wedlock with her while MARRIED to other women already!). If a man is unable to respect his own marriage, wherein he took vows to remain faithful, where is the respect that we should afford him?
He sits in the seat of a "democratically elected" president apparently - but dare I remind South Africans that we do not vote for a president? We vote for a political party, the party winning the majority of votes is then placed in the position of appointing a president from among our ranks. So Zuma was never voted for by the country - only by the ANC. A man who has been accused of rape, publicly stated that if you shower after having unprotected sex with someone that you can avoid contracting HIV, had 700 charges of fraud and corruption against him dropped because of political interference and is now working on various ways of ensuring he doesn't lose the presidency (so much for democracy huh? More on this in later posts).
By my reckoning there is nothing about the man that leads me to believe that he is worthy of honour or respect.
Sinbadmen
Posted 361 days agoKafreeMoneykey
Posted 361 days agoSo what is all the hype now? C'mon!
a_stub_born
Pinkpout
devanzlive
FabianSchoonraad
A painting by a black person depicting a black person in a compromising position can't possibly be racism so therefore it must be art.
Conversely however, a painting by a white person depicting a black person in a compromising position can't possibly be art so therefore it must be racism.
I honestly feel that people should either be entirely non-racist and NEVER bring it up as an argument point or alternatively they should be overly-racist and ALWAYS bring it up as an argument point. At least then we know that person's position on the topic.
This "siting on the fence" nonsense seriously annoys me. (ANC, I'm talking about you...)