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Mon May 20 04:47:42 SAST 2013

The Anti-Spear Protest March LIVE

Times LIVE, The Times, Sapa | 29 May, 2012 07:23

As of 13:45 this stream will no longer be updated. All the latest stories will be posted to our front page.

REMOVE INSULTS TO 'THE MOVEMENT': YCL

If the Goodman Gallery does not remove all symbols that insult the ANC and its affiliates, it would be closed down, the Young Communists' League told protesters in Johannesburg on Tuesday.

"The movement has always promoted freedom of expression, but you cannot denigrate important figures," the league's national secretary Buti Manamela told a crowd who had marched on the gallery in Rosebank.

He told the crowd, which stretched for over three city blocks, that "the movement was opposed to the painting".

The gallery is currently hosting an exhibition by Brett Murray called "Hail to the Thief II". Many of the works criticise the ruling party, implying it has "sold out" to corruption.

The focus of Tuesday's march was Murray's now-defaced work "The Spear", which depicted President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed. It is Murray's interpretation of a Russian propaganda poster depicting Marxist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin.

A speaker from the SA Council of Churches said the protest was aimed at the gallery and the artist. In a statement on the SACC website Rev Mautji Pataki said the council found the painting "distasteful in the extreme".

"The picture is not only denigrating to President Zuma alone, but to all those who respect fellow human beings and never express their feelings in a hateful manner to anyone."

He said the artwork was a classical picture of what hate could achieve when it ruled the mind.

"President Zuma, even if Goodman Gallery hold a different view to what he represents, does not deserve to be undressed in public and made to be an object at a time when his task is to lead our nation," he said.

The SACC would be happy to receive a public apology from those who designed the "dehumanising picture", Pataki added. - Sapa

Update TimesLIVE

ANC ends boycott of City Press

Roshan Nebhrajani, The Times

Goodman Gallery has removed an image of "The Spear" from their website

MARCH REACHES GOODMAN GALLERY

Marchers arrived at Goodman Gallery in Johannesburg at about noon on Tuesday to protest against The Spear painting, which depicts President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed.

ANC representatives were preparing to hand over a memorandum demanding that the artwork no longer be included in an exhibition.

Riot police with shields and Johannesburg metro police on horseback kept protesters several metres away from the building.

ANC national spokesman Jackson Mthembu said the protesters were there to defend the dignity of the ANC.

"Even workers demand the right of human dignity for Jacob Zuma," he said.

The crowd, which stretched over three blocks, was slow to move as busloads of protesters continued to arrive at Zoo Lake well after 10am, its planned start time.

A heavy police contingent kept close watch, with helicopters hovering over marchers and policemen blocking off side streets into the plush northern suburbs.

Municipal workers dressed in orange overalls joined the mass protest which started to move at about 11.45am, nearly two hours later than its scheduled start time.

Jan Smuts Avenue, one of Johannesburg's busiest routes linking the Johannesburg city centre with the northern suburbs, was closed between Zoo Lake and Bolton Road in Rosebank.

Buses, including some with registrations from Limpopo and Mpumalanga, lined the route.

The march was to protest the exhibition of the painting by artist Brett Murray showing Zuma's genitals.

A member of the public, Sipho Mweli, said he came from Mpumalanga to join the protest and to support Zuma.

Around his neck he had hung a cardboard placard on which he had written, "Draw your white father naked not our president."

He said the statement was aimed at artist Brett Murray and he challenged him to draw a white man in the manner he had drawn Zuma.

Elijah Tauraza, also from Mpumalanga, said the painting was intended to belittle Zuma.

"How do you portray the president exposed when you have not seen him that way, even when he grew up?" he said.

The painting by Murray needed to be destroyed, he said.

"Keeping it in any form was an insult to Zuma and South Africans," he said.

Gwede Mantashe, ANC secretary-general, was also part of the protest.

Roshan Nebhrajani, The Times

ANC, Cosatu, SACP, Sanco reps speaking to the crowd.

This painting must not be sold, it is not worth anything, it belongs to the museum of shame - Blade Nzimande of the SACP

Update - TimesLIVE

Various leaders are addressing the crowd not far from the Goodman Gallery.

Police have set up a barricade around the entrance.

The march has been joined by a number of leaders including Gwede Mantashe and Blade Nzimande.

Protesters are carrying various placards including one that reads "Whites hate Blacks"

There's a heavy police presence along Jan Smuts avenue and at the Goodman Gallery.

RURAL PROTESTERS JOIN MARCH ON GALLERY

The protest against The Spear painting of Zuma was slow to start on Tuesday as buses from far-flung areas continued to arrive in the city carrying supporters of President Jacob Zuma.

Buses from Mpumalanga and Limpopo arrived at Zoo Lake early on Tuesday. Some protesters said they had slept overnight at the park in anticipation of the march on the Goodman Gallery in Rosebank.

The march is to protest the exhibition of the painting by artist Brett Murray showing Zuma's genitals.

On Tuesday representatives of the All African Federation of Churches, dressed in purple religious attire, said they were joining the protest because they felt the painting dehumanised Zuma.

"We are here to reconcile the country. There is a lot that needs to be corrected," said the church's Archbishop Qwetha.

The march was scheduled to start at 10am but roads in Rosebank were still open at 11am. Helicopters monitored the protest, which was three city blocks long by 11.30.

The area between the Zoo and Bolton Road on Jan Smuts Avenue would be closed once the protest was underway, police said.

UNCLE OF SPEAR VANDAL TRAVELS FROM LIMPOPO TO SUPPORT PROTEST

The uncle of one of the men who defaced The Spear a week ago has travelled from Limpopo to Johannesburg to join the march against the work and was one of the first to arrive at the protest on Tuesday.

Stephen Sefofa, uncle of Louis Mabokela who was caught by television cameras smearing black paint across the work of President Jacob Zuma, said he came to Johannesburg to support the protest.

"An insult is an insult...let us be one," he said.

Sefofoa was speaking on behalf of his nephew who was with him at the march but deferred to his uncle when questioned by journalists.

Mabokela laid a charge of assualt against the security guard who subdued him in a struggle after he damaged the painting.

Paul Molesiwa, 36, appeared in the Hillbrow Magistrate's Court on Monday in connection with the assault.

In video footage of the incident Molesiwa can be seen headbutting and flipping Mabokela onto the ground where he cable ties his hands behind his back.

Sefofa said he was glad City Press had withdrawn the work and apologised.

A member of the public, Sipho Mweli, said he came from Mpumalanga to join the protest and to support President Jacob Zuma.

Around his neck he had hung a cardboard on which he had written, "Draw your white father naked not our president."

He said the placard was aimed at Brett Murray and he challenged him to draw a white man in the manner he has drawn Zuma.

Elijah Tauraza, also from Mpumalanga, said the painting was intended to belittle Zuma.

"How do you portray the president exposed when you have not seen him that way, even when he grew up?" he said.

The painting by Murray needed to be destroyed, he said.

"Keeping it in any form was an insult to Zuma and South Africans," he said.

The crowd at Zoo Lake numbered several hundred mid-morning. The group was singing liberation songs and dancing to music played over speakers on the back of a truck. - Sapa

Roshan Nebhrajani, The Times

JMPD spokesman Wayne Minnaar says police are ready and adequately prepared for the march.

Roshan Nebhrajani, The Times

An ANC member walked up and dowm Jan Smuts collecting posters that read OBEY with a pic of President Jacob Zuma's face on it and posters that had a rhino painted with a penis for a horn that said "Will u pay attention now". They were posted along Jan Smuts. She put them on the meridan and supporters here gathered around and burned them in a pile while shouting "Amandla".

@emque01
I think the painting of "The Spear" was a serious case of penis envy. Brett, deep down, wishes he was black #ANCmarch

@LeleMbinda
People in #JHB are marching to #GoodmanGallery against #TheSpear to zip an art... Don't we have real ussues like #ServiceDelivery #ANCMarch

@sheofnations
What makes people from Limpopo come to Joburg to march against the #Zumaspear, when kids don't have textbooks in Limpopo mid-year?Conundrum.

@Zukiswa
Police have a helicopter circling around Zoolake. We are waiting for the leadership to arrive. #ancmarch

@Vuksido
I've always imagined my life and the things I'd do in life and I'm afraid that marching for an old man's penis is not one of them #ANCmarch

@KayLobakeng
In a perfect world the ANC would have a team to deal with such unnecessary distractions and Zuma would actually get some work done #ANCMarch

@Pass1TJ
I have a degree and still unemployed, so Zuma's Penis is the last of my concerns. #SpearMarch #ANCmarch

GALLERY MARCHERS GATHER

Busloads of protesters were arriving at Zoo Lake in Johannesburg on Tuesday ahead of a march on the Goodman Gallery in Rosebank, police said.The growing crowd was clad in ANC colours and sang and danced to music blaring from speakers on the back of a bakkie.

Police and metro police officers would keep watch over the event, metro police spokesman Chief Superintendent Wayne Minnaar said.

The march is a protest against Brett Murray's "The Spear", which, until it was defaced last Tuesday, was on display at the Goodman Gallery. It showed President Jacob Zuma with genitals hanging out of his trousers.

About 15,000 people were expected to walk along Jan Smuts Avenue to Rosebank. Jan Smuts Avenue, between the Zoo and Bolton Road in Rosebank, would be closed until about midday, Minnaar said.

"Our officers are on duty and already out there ahead of the march," he said.

ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu said in a statement earlier: "This protest will be used to advance the need for unity as a nation and to register a need for common and acceptable values.

"At the end of the march, the alliance will make important announcements following extensive interaction with all parties involved," he said.

On Monday Arts and Culture Minister Paul Mashatile said the gallery regretted the hurt caused by the painting's display.

"I had a meeting with the owner of the Goodman Gallery, Lisa Essers, who said she regrets the pain that the display of 'The Spear' had caused to Zuma, his family as well as to the nation," Mashatile said.

"She had no intention of hurting or upsetting anyone, but understood that it did hurt people and our nation. The piece was removed from the gallery." -Sapa

Roshan Nebhrajani, The Times
Small group of anc supporters now here (Goodman Gallery) - for logistical and managing purposes says keith khoza natl comm manager of the anc. March which was sch to begin at 9 has yet to start b/c anc supporters are still making their way to zoo lake.

ANC, GALLERY HELD 'CONSULTATIONS'

ANC and Goodman Gallery officials had "consultations" on the eve of a march to protest against a painting depicting President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed, a spokesman said on Tuesday.

"We are not in a position to deal with details now," African National Congress spokesman Jackson Mthembu told SABC radio news.

"All we are prepared to say is, yes, indeed there have been consultations between the ANC and the Goodman Gallery last night and we are quite happy with the outcome of those consultations."

A strong police presence was expected outside the gallery in Tuesday. The march was organised to "advance the need for unity as a nation and to register a need for common and acceptable values", Mthembu said earlier.

"At the end of the march, the alliance will make important announcements following extensive interaction with all parties involved," he said.

The protest is against the "The Spear", a painting by Brett Murray, which was defaced last Tuesday. It was part of Murray's "Hail to the Thief II" exhibition on show at the gallery.

The march was expected to start from Zoo Lake park at 10am and proceed down Jan Smuts Avenue. About 15,000 protesters were expected, Johannesburg metro police spokesman Chief Superintendent Wayne Minnaar said. - Sapa

@Austin_Gege
May the #ANCmarch be the success the organizers are hoping it would be; and not turn into racial dividing anarchy! We need unity not discord

@Ciah_M
Pres Zuma in the face and leader of SA... You disrespect him, the whole nation is disrespected #ANCmarch

@TimesLIVEreport
61-year-old man says he's here because he's tired of the disrespect white people still show to black people #zumaspear

@mondemtsi
This #ANCmarch shud have happened when some1 suggested removing SA's Homosexuals' rights from the frikken Constitution. ANC acts very bias.‏

‏@Sentletse
Goodman Gallery has the black Jet Li on guard. #ANCmarch

Roshan Nebhrajani, The Times
10 Police and ambulance vehicles deployed at the Goodman Gallery.

@AdrianaStuijt
"OBEY ZUMA' poster stuck on wall across Goodman gallery http://twitpic.com/9qhtnd #ANCMarch

@violetmdluli
#ANCmarch makes me so angry dat ey r interfering w justice & wasting resources dat cld improve ppls lives.ey dnt care abt e ppl only power

@tshepo_madisha
i really think this whole painting was Zuma's idea to shift focus from his incompetency prior Mangaung #ANCmarch. #ZumaMustGo

@Jacanews
Just had a chat with police here. They're kitted in protective gear,yet not expecting any violence. #ZumaSpear march to #GoodmanGallery KL

@rmaclean
@702johnrobbie four packed busses already parked at zoo lake #zumaSpear

@MayleenVincent
Displayed in the window of The Goodman Gallery. #ANCMarch http://twitpic.com/9qhw1f

ANC March to Goodman Gallery

The ANC and its alliance partners will march to the Goodman Gallery in Johannesburg on Tuesday to protest against a painting depicting President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed.

"This protest will be used to advance the need for unity as a nation and to register a need for common and acceptable values," ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu said in a statement.

"At the end of the march, the alliance will make important announcements following extensive interaction with all parties involved," he said.

The protest is against the 'The Spear', a painting by Brett Murray, which was that defaced last Tuesday.

It was part of Murray's "Hail to the Thief II" exhibition on show at the gallery.

Marchers would meet at Zoo Lake park at 8am and the march would start at 10am.

About 15,000 protesters were expected, said Johannesburg metro police spokesman Chief Superintendent Wayne Minnaar. - Sapa

 

Zuma painting hearing resumes

A meeting of the Film and Publication Board to decide on the status of a controversial painting of President Jacob Zuma is expected to continue on Tuesday.

A meeting of the Film and Publication Board to decide on the status of a controversial painting of President Jacob Zuma is expected to continue on Tuesday.

Last week, the board sent a team of five classifiers to view and classify Brett Murray's painting "The Spear", which was on display at the Goodman Gallery, after several complaints.

The painting depicts Zuma with his genitals exposed. It was vandalised last Tuesday and has since been removed from the gallery, which has temporarily closed its doors to the public.

The committee intends classifying the painting in line with the Film and Publications Act.

On Wednesday, the board's CEO Yoliswa Makhasi recused herself from the classification hearing following a complaint by City Press editor Ferial Haffajee that she was biased.

The hearing itself was postponed because the parties to it had not been given enough time to prepare.

The media will be allowed conditional access to the hearing when it resumes.

The ANC and its alliance partners, the SA Communist Party and the Congress of SA Trade Unions, will march to the Goodman Gallery on Tuesday to protest against the painting. - Sapa

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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 355 days ago
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Ask him what is "White" and what is "Black".

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 355 days ago
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Looks a lot more like a Zuma election rally than a protest march.

Once they have milked the racial tensions until they become irrelevant, what will they do then? Use the old tribalism card?
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buddi

Posted 355 days ago
These people are going straight back to Limpopo (or wherever they came from) and take part in a service delivery protest! This is their 'employment'.
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Timbuck9

Posted 355 days ago
I noticed the accompanying photo shows ANC SOLDIERS!!!!!!!

Does South Africa not have a Defence Force?

Howcome the ANC have ANC SOLDIERS?????

Should the world begin ''reading between the lines''??????????

Momma... looks like any gathering in South Africa is turned into an ANC RALLY..including funreals....... sad!
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 355 days ago
Sadly, it looks suspiciously unlike anything to do with our country. Some of those pictures would not be out of place in Ivory Coast.

DouglasBaloyi

Posted 355 days ago
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This is too much, when everything is turned racial shows how low our minds are. Well, why would anyone wants to draw Botha, he is not the president. I am against the idea of instigating racial violence due to this art which did not deserve this attention. Well, this is a strategy according to me to show election support for the President not much of the art as it is.

DonaldKnight

Posted 355 days ago
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Here's a copy of an e-mail sent to me which asks pertinent questions:

The controversial painting has now been defaced.

2 guys (a white & a black) were arrested.

The ANC’s court case is going ahead to force the gallery to remove the artwork.

- A 17 year-old mentally challenged girl was gang raped & the video went viral. No one marched.
- An 8-year-old girl was raped by a 15 year-old boy & her eyes gouged out. No one marched.
- Entire provinces are without school text books - it’s almost June. No one marched.
- Our imminent police chief is a gangster & has brought our police service to its knees. No one marched.
- Our country has one of the highest unemployment rates in the world. No one marched.
- Our democracy is going down the toilet but no one marches.

But our country goes hysterical over a painting! We threaten lawsuits, protests & violent reprisals.

Where are our priorities???

What are we thinking??????!!!!

We have now proven beyond doubt that our collective mentality doesn’t rise above the waist.
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MikaelMuchow

Posted 355 days ago
Excellent points DonaldKnight, each and every one of them.
What we are witnessing today is the ANC in action.
A day off work for many thousands, not that they'll all march of course, some will just enjoy the free bus ride to the big city to visit relatives, others will stay at home.
Hundreds of thousands of man-hours lost in factories and businesses, millions of Rands in lost revenue - and for what ?
Because of a satirical painting of a man with his willy hanging out - exactly the sought of thing our children have to witness out of the windows of our cars as we drive them to and from school every day.
I have forgotten the number of times my kiids asked me: "Daddy why has that man got his willy out ?"
'He's having a pee" I'd respond.
'But why can't he use the toilet or go behind a tree like you do Daddy" ?

IU guess if I answerd that question honestly on this forum I'd be censored and/or accused of racism.

Welcome to South Africa - I hope the world is watching this one.
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spain2

Posted 355 days ago
What do u think the ANCYL was marching for Donald ???

disillusionedstill

Posted 355 days ago
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This struggle-hero's picture has achieved more in 18 days than 18 years of politicians' bullsh1t.

Viva oil, Viva canvas.





swona1

Posted 355 days ago
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Mr Stephen Sefofa, pls tell Zuma in that much that, let us be one with him as well in service delivery as well, and let us be one in change, and let us be one in a fight against e-toll!

POST94

Posted 355 days ago
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Brat Murray, you're a star. Paint another one, just before Mangaung.

RIC1214

Posted 355 days ago
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To Brett ,
Your work was a masterpiece...It galvanized a nation to rally behind a president who could not careless whether people have water or not, whether learners have books or not, whether people continue to loot the government coffers with impunity or not...Think of Memezi, Mdhluli and and others who have done so and continue to do so unabated. Alas! People burn a municipal office in Bushbuckridge but no politician or ANC member gives a hoot! But look at the numbers who turn up because of a satirical painting. No doubt the political bigwigs who have gone out of their way to make a mountain out of nothing have their eyes at Mangaung! All the fuss is about Mangaung.....This painting could have been made to go quietly if the ANC had strategists. Not many people would have seen the painting anyway had it not for the strange breed of leaders as Reuel Khoza put......But yee! The message of the painting still rings loud and clear....!

AnotherTaxPayer

Posted 355 days ago
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I wish all these "rent-A-crowd" supporters would open their eyes that nothing about this is about race or a "White" or "Black" thing.
It's about routing out corruption within the government that affects all South African Citizens.
Tomorrow all these angry supporters will go back to their dirt roads and cold houses. And guess what? Zuma will go back to one of his Mansions sipping an expensive imported whiskey.

Do I have to draw you a picture?....

sistachick

Posted 355 days ago
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There is so much to protest about - throwing babies down drains, youth unemployment, starving street kids,but what does the indigenous people (the masses) protest about a flipping painting - it shows where your priorities lie (in zuma's pants) shame on you.
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spain2

Posted 355 days ago
Then why are u not protesting ??

LiezellB

Posted 355 days ago
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OMG - This is so rediculous! There are much more important issues to be protesting about! I wish the ANC could get over themselves and sort out the country instead of wasting everyones time and money!

Les4uu

Posted 355 days ago
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Eish i feel sorry for this old mamazalas marching who are being used by the selfish ANC for narrow politics. They are doing this in the name of Zuma Pen*s... lol

Les4uu

Posted 355 days ago
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Lol @ AnotherTaxPayer "rent-A-crowd" supporters ..... lolment

staren

Posted 355 days ago
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Great stuff, now if we could only get the ANC to put half as much effort in actually running the country, we might be onto something...

Sabz

Posted 355 days ago
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The painting was just saying "zip ur pants and deliver the services mr Prez" what's the fuss about now.

Polony_Lips

Posted 355 days ago
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Is that all the mighty ANC could muster ?? about 2000 people ?? Geeeesh not many offended after all...

And yes why were the all bussed in ?! With made up placards..? Looks like the "polonykwane" bunch are not that popular... Poor Gwede.... More egg on the face
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McCasey

Posted 355 days ago
looks like you have been brainwashed by hatred of the ANC.. By the way how many votes did the ANC got during the last elections?
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Wiseguy

Posted 355 days ago
@McCasey.....not sure! But I am pretty damn sure it will be less in the next one, in part due to its handling of the "penis saga" !
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Polony_Lips

Posted 355 days ago
Actually "MCasey" ... I voted ANC when Madela and Mbeki were leaders..... Wont ever again.... I want a leader who has morals , value and scruples... Sadly Zumfie lack all of the above.
He believes his penis is his most valuable asset.

My president is moron
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McCasey

Posted 355 days ago
wiseguy, that is a wishfull thinking.. Many before you said that.. Ask COPE
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McCasey

Posted 355 days ago
You can take your vote away, it will just be a drop in the ocean.. Millions of ANC voters are still born today.. By the way it is Mandela not Madela @ polonylips
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Wiseguy

Posted 355 days ago
@McCasey......wishful as in: that the electorate will hold the ANC leaders accountable for their actions.....yes......not that the ANC will get less votes, btw!

I just think that is something that will happen, but this is Africa where tribalism and patriachy rule !

So you may be correct McCasey but I won't hold my breath......the people are not stupid you know !
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McCasey

Posted 355 days ago
I wonder Wiseguy, If SA was as bad as you people suggest.. Why most of the countries wants to do business with us.. Why SA is considered as one of the Fast growing economic countries in the world? Why is it Top in Africa. Jusk ask Someone outside SA. They will tell you SA is doing very well. Yes there are still challenges and not everything is well.. But the government is working. yes there is corruption because of the greed people have.. (not only the ANC BUT HUMANS IN GENERAL) just listen to the budget speeches minister says and plans they have.. we should critisise yes, but you guys are so bias towards the Hatred of the ANC. you only concerntrate on bad stuff.. If i can concerntrate on bad thing you Wiseguy is doing. i am sure i can find plenty. but there also are good things.
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cANCerSurvivor

Posted 355 days ago
Lol Mcasey...

We are 'top of africa' and a fairly good place to do business despite the ANC led government, not because of the ANC led government!
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McCasey

Posted 355 days ago
was that the case before ANC took over?? everyone was running away from SA. read history pal
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Wiseguy

Posted 355 days ago
@McCasey, sorry I seem to have touched a nerve, my apologies!
"bad as you people suggest"....I never said it was bad McCasey, I love this country and its people.....almost all of them barring a few psychopaths maybe! Who is "you people".....r u perhaps refering to those of us BOLD enough to criticize the great ANC.....consider it positive criticism! Again apologies for any offence but surely as tax-paying citizens we have a right to voice an opinion on what the ANC government does with our tax money and if we disagree, we have a right to voice that opinion! Or would you prefer it otherwise?

Of course RSA is a wonderful country and an economic powerhouse in Africa.....that is not in question here!
"Yes there are still challenges and not everything is well.. But the government is working.".....good then we agree, I'm concerned as to whether the government is doing enough ? To fight corruption, to bring services to the people, to improve education ect. ect. So yes, I use this forum to voice my opinion and if my tiny little voice in some small way helps galvanise the great ANC machine into action/s that will reduce corruption, increase service delivery and improve life for ALL the people then I think it is worthwhile !

yes there is corruption because of the greed people have.. (not only the ANC BUT HUMANS IN GENERAL) just listen to the budget speeches minister says and plans they have.. we should critisise yes......Good then we are in agreement!!

"but you guys are so bias towards the Hatred of the ANC. you only concerntrate on bad stuff..".....I do NOT hate the ANC or any other political party or organisation or person....that is a HUGE unfair generalisation McCasey!! I have stated it numerous times on this website...hatred is a complete waste of emotional energy, one I most certainly do not subscribe too !!

"If i can concerntrate on bad thing you Wiseguy is doing. i am sure i can find plenty. but there also are good things."......the FUNDAMENTAL difference McCasey is I am not an elected politician, in a position of power and influence whose mandate is to represent, serve and answer to my electorate (the people).....unlike your/our governing ANC is!!!! If the DA or any other political party was ruling this country, I would like to believe I would be just as outspoken of their bad decisions as I am of the ANC's.

But if you must know.....I do do a lot more good than "bad", and strive to improve myself continually. I am introspective on a regular basis and I will continue to be as introspective and critical of my actions, as an individual, family man and law abiding, tax paying citizen of this wonderful country.

But I have every right, as does any citizen of this country, to criticise and voice our disapproval of our government(ANC or other party) when they do something that I/we may consider wrong ! That does not mean we hate this or that.........I/we are just stating we disagree or think it is wrong! Nothing bad in that is there??????


balderdash

Posted 355 days ago
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"The movement has always promoted freedom of expression...."

That's a laugh, coming from the Young Communists' League.

jamesnaker

Posted 355 days ago
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Zuma has disgraced the ANC and the office of the president of RSA through his own behavior.
Respect is not earned by screwing around and making illegitimate babies everywhere.

Surely these protests should be marching to Zuma's door??? Does the uneducated majority not see this?

Also, I wish the ANC was this passionate about solving the crime and education crisis that they have created instead of defending a buffoon like Zuma.

omni

Posted 355 days ago
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Ye, in Africa, as many other place in the world, sadly, its better to be portrayed as a failure, corrupt, criminal, even a killer than what that piece of art portrayed.

a_stub_born

Posted 355 days ago
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...I think it was post94 comment on the "massive" attendance from spontaneously engaged volunteers as supporters, because "the rest of the ANC was giving 'service' to the country"....

.....ha ha ha ha ha.........and the rest of the country tax-payers are footing the huge bills for the 'servicing'...........
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spain2

Posted 355 days ago
... as they are supposed to ....

Mangqeshane

Posted 355 days ago
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What will always amuses me is that, why is it all the time those who are in minority numerically will want to dictate to the majority ukuthi how they must feel, behave, vote etc?

I don't care who says what, that potrait was offensive and NO amount of justification, ridicule will convince me and a significant number of us OTHER-WISE
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McCasey

Posted 355 days ago
You are the first person i see here who comments something sensefull
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spain2

Posted 355 days ago
Very good ...
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inkunzi

Posted 355 days ago
Siyabonga kholwa.
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smellywelly

Posted 355 days ago
The second part of your posting is a really fair comment to me, but the first part unfortunately comes across rather distastefully. What has this to do with a person / people in the minority (and what minority is that - race, political party support?) dictating to the majority what they should feel, behave, vote? That portion of your post troubles me. No person can tell any other person how to vote, how to feel. We can guide each other on how to behave - that's what our schools, parents, community leaders, church leaders and legal system do, irrespective of which "minority" they may or may not come from. In terms of voting, well, no-one should be allowed to coerce you into voting any particular way. Sadly, the intimidation which we see in South Africa when it's time to vote somehow proves this is not always the case.

If this portrait, or anything else for that matter, insults you, you need to first ask whether it's protected by a constitutional right. If I think you're a bad driver, I have the right to tell you, without fear. It's freedom of speech. I can paint a picture which insults you, that's my right and I'm protected by the constitution, as long as it does not violate your constitutional rights. This is where it gets tricky - you can not go over the edge because of art - are you going to sentence someone to death because they expressed themselves through art or literary work? This is what happened to Salman Rushdie in Iran when he wrote an "offensive" book. What Jacob Zuma, the ANC and all the groups supporting this action are doing is not far from what the Ayatollah of Iran did in issuing a fatwa against Rushdie.

Sometimes we need to live with insults.
Sometimes we need to accepts insults for the greater good of the constitution.

The people protesting this painting have in my view turned their back on the constitution.

swona1

Posted 355 days ago
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if this painting was depicting Marxist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, and it does not have a shower head, and it was not clear enough to me to conclude that indeed that was Zuma on the picture, and the only thing that is visible on it is its pEnis, and I guess Zuma's wife was so angry, can this mean that it(that pEnis) looks like that one of the president? for clearly, on the picture I cant draw in similarities of Zuma and that painting and my eyes were checked on monday the 14th! if it looks like that one of Zuma, how did the artist see Zuma's that his wife was completly sure that was her husband?

DouglasBaloyi

Posted 355 days ago
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Funny, when there are corruption charges, or mismanagement of public funds etc, none marches. Isn't that human degradation especially for the poor and unemployed in SA. Churches say nothing on that matter, just cow and shy away. So now we just a painting which I do not agree with in a way raises such questionable furrow with now seeds.
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spain2

Posted 355 days ago
""when there are corruption charges, or mismanagement of public funds etc, none marches""
It is ur right to march .... then march when these allegations are labelled.