DA calls on Zuma not to stand for re-election
DA parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko angered ANC MPs yesterday when she accused President Jacob Zuma of putting his ambitions before those of the country.
Mazibuko said Zuma's term in office had been "directed by remote control" by a number of interest groups that included trade union federation Cosatu, the SA Communist Party and what she termed a "state within a state" in the security services.
"The entire nation is left unsure as to whether he [Zuma] uses power or power uses him," Mazibuko said. "While the public debate centres on the person who wears the crown, we know that it is because this presidency was purchased by a coalition of the discontented at Polokwane."
She also slammed him for his handling of the saga involving suspended crime intelligence boss Richard Mdluli.
"Why would a head of state allow someone facing serious charges to appear in police uniform and occupy a senior post in the police service in the first place?"
But it was Mazibuko's request to Zuma not to avail himself for re-election at the ANC's elective conference in Mangaung in December that seriously irked ANC MPs, including a number of ministers.
As some howled her down, others rose to raise points of order, arguing that her attack on Zuma was unparliamentary.
But their objections were overruled by deputy speaker Nomaindia Mfeketo.
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Posted 384 days agoAshneSegal
UDFSupporter
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Cringer
Posted 384 days agospain2
..where do u base this from ....??
Ozgood
Do you really think that we will be better off with anyone else (ABZ)?
What we need is a complete regime change.
Unfortunately, as Lindiwe points out, Zuma was maneuvered into power by Zwelenzima Vavi, (COSATU), Julius Malema (ANCYL) and others It's quite ironic how Malema was kicked out.
Their chickens have come home to roost.
PSG
How respresentative this sample was eish I'm not sure but what I know is that these research houses have been getting it wrong for a good couple of years now.
Cringer
PSG
GregQuinn
foxie123
Ozgood
Posted 384 days agospain2
AshneSegal
Cringer
Posted 384 days agoKafreeMoneykey
Cringer
Cringer
The ANC is about one thing - Quality whisky delivery to a few
PSG
KafreeMoneykey
Stirrer
Posted 384 days agoWell done to the deputy speaker for her counter-revolutionary stance - no doubt she won't be used in a hurry again!
Wiseguy
Posted 384 days agoSurely, the ANC must see this? How can a sitting president devote his time and energy to being re-elected as the ANC's number 1 candidate, when he is meant to be running the country......surely a bigger and slightly more important task(one would hope) ?
What is the solution.....not sure ? But maybe change the timing of these elective conferences to be closer to our national elections(i.e. just before) ?
Cringer
The reason he has to do this is because if he had run this country and delivered on the ANC promises, promises, promises that were fed to the masses he would have had no problem in being elkected. But he failed the people BIG time so he has to try and get elected through the back door.
Wiseguy
But what now, as we know he has not delivered the goods, for numerous reasons and excuses(some valid others not), and now we end up with a President who WILL devote most of his time over the next few months to getting re-elected as the ANC's number 1 candidate.......so what about the Presidency of RSA?
Surely, this system is not in the countries/peoples best interests ? Not sure what the answer is tho?
RSA.MommaCyndi
Posted 384 days agoThe DA needs to bring real issues to the table and not rely on the public voting for them simply because they are upset with the ANC. We deserve a better opposition to the Desperate Alternative.
PSG
How are you my dear?
You are still around with your reasoning tendencies ha ha ha!!!
RSA.MommaCyndi
Life treating you good?
PSG
What would we be without our ministers of finance :-)?
RSA.MommaCyndi
You should explain to your Minister of Finance that a credit card limit is not a target :)
PSG
Romy
danny.archer3
"Sometimes I seriously wonder if anyone in the DA has a working brain cell. Did they learn nothing from the 'Stop Zuma' campaign? Or maybe they think their best strategy option is to get Zuma re-elected?"
You criticise them for Stop Zuma...but think about it. How much credibility has that given them with the black middle class? I say a significant amount. Perhaps it cost them in 2009 (personally I don't agree with that view. I am VERY glad they don't have the power to change the constitution at the moment), but what they warned about has come to pass, which will get them some political mileage with some of the black vote. In other words, they can be trusted that they know what they're talking about. They haven't played the "We told you so" card either, which is smart. It gives those of the black vote who know they got it wrong the chance to make amends in 2014.
Secondly, regarding their strategy to get him re-elected, I'm not sure that that *is* their strategy, but they certainly won't be privately unhappy if he does. It will give them a far better shot in 2019 if he gets re-elected. I'm personally hoping he gets a second term.
Regarding "We deserve a better opposition to the Desperate Alternative", you are really ignoring the facts, aren't you? Let's track the growth of the DA since 1994 shall we?
1994 General Election : 1.73%
1999 General Election : 9.56%
2004 General Election : 12.37%
2006 Local Elections : 16.3%
2009 General Election : 16.66%
2011 Local Elections : 24.1%
Couldn't find proportional representation stats for the local elections. The point is that, the "Desperate Alternative" has increased its support 14-fold in 18 years, while EVERY other party has gone backwards over that period. With those kind of numbers, if parties were businesses and support represented the size of their markets, you'd be an IDIOT not to invest with them. Unfortunately, most South Africans are. Last year, the DA did exactly what they needed to do first; consolidate the opposition. Now it is a two-horse race. Blacks only have two choices now, thanks to COPE's predictable implosion. They can either continue to vote for their own misery, or they can get over their misplaced racism and try something else.
danny.archer3
danny.archer3
danny.archer3
m1si2zi3nzo4
Stirrer
Aweh, Mr Archer!
Don't write off Cope just yet (as an alternative for blacks to the ANC). Terror is in fighting form, now that Sam has been sidelined! A strong Cope is very important for the DA in it's quest to weaken the ANC.
danny.archer3
Stirrer
PSG
Mr Lekota is vocal on a lot of issues except on the Arms Deal investigation, I wonder why :-).
danny.archer3
danny.archer3
RSA.MommaCyndi
Danny, you don't realise that the ANC is like a dysfunctional family. You may not like them and you may not agree with them but the minute that someone else is perceived to be attacking them, you feel obliged to support them. Shouting STOP ZUMA actually caused a lot of people to go to the voting stations. I know many people who were going to just skip voting because they were disillusioned with the ANC but the minute that the DA started making it a 'them or us' fight, they put their disillusionment on hold and went to vote.
DA is seen to be a 'white' party. We aren't over the apartheid scars yet and it is going to take decades before the average voter will trust a 'white madam' to lead them. Apart from the lack of pigmentation and the generally misogynistic social attitudes, the DA hasn't helped themselves either. The only people from the DA that we hear about that are NOT white is Lindiwe and Plato.
Stirrer
I wish they would conduct the damn investigation already! Terror claims to have been
Free State Premier during the Arms Deal "negotiation" stage (which is when most of the corrupt deals took place).
danny.archer3
danny.archer3
PSG
I forget the name of the ANC MP that resigned and was uneasy right from the start about the whole transaction and alerted his colleagues including Mr Lekota.
Mr Lekota knows where the money went. If we use the same logic about him being the Premier when the whole thing was started, the current President can say that he also was the MEC of Economic Development in KZN :-).
PSG
Most if not all of the ANC top brass know where the money went to.
RSA.MommaCyndi
Holden's book and Feubsteub's book both paint a very different picture of Lekota's involvement (or rather lack thereof)
PSG
Now that to me isn't Cope supporting the investigation :-). Please check the article below:
timeslive.co.za/local/2012/03/08/arms-deal-report-kept-under-wraps-as-da-mps-are-outvoted
Stirrer
danny.archer3
RSA.MommaCyndi
Stirrer is right. The DA is seen as a last resort by most of the black voters. Cope was a great help to the DA as it was the first time that a lot of people even considered voting for someone who was not ANC. They subsequently dissolved into a circus (unfortunately) but their faces were black - not all white with the occasional token.
The DA gets votes because people are angry with the ANC - not because they do anything to get votes. If you look at the election machinery of the ANC and then you look at the DA's election plans you have got to wonder why they get any votes at all. They are not Avis and they don't 'try harder'. Yes, their areas are better managed BUT there are well run ANC areas as well. They may have got a greater market share but I can guarantee that if the ANC puts someone credible up for the presidency, they will lose that market share in a heartbeat.
danny.archer3
danny.archer3
Phaedioux
Hi guys!
I am just waiting for the whole ANC circus to finally totally implode.
I fully expect some serious 'kierie bashing' and almighty fisticuffs at Mangaung which is apparently 'cultural activity' - judging by some of the recent provincial conferences held.
The actual outcome is probably going to surprise us all.
Mike123
Posted 384 days agofoxie123
Posted 384 days agobuddi
Duzula
Posted 384 days agobuddi
McCasey
Posted 384 days agodanny.archer3
McCasey
buddi
Which country are you living in? "A fairy good job: my foot. One of you out of 40 billion!!
GregQuinn
Black-Moses
Amen.
m1si2zi3nzo4
Posted 384 days agoThe way he tried to play this penis thing out, either to swing attention from the many issues of incompetence, or to bolster his chances of re-election, disqualifies him for consideration in any leadership role. It is understandable that at his age, his priority would be to retire into a comfortable and honorable life. But to plunge the whole country into a potential racial powder keg, is beyond even the most vulgar. As a single-minded person, his u-turn call for 'dialogue' will be viewed as one of his attempts to bring back his campaign trail. Had he quietly raised his discomfort personally with the Goodman Gallery, no one would have raised any eyebrows. This would strengthen his claim of 'pain', and won him sympathy from the few who were aware of this painting. This is purposeless and another waste of public funds. No 'dialogue' can establish what product of mental creativity can be acceptable to everyone, especially in a race-, and ethnic- entered society like ours. People have expediently used 'culture' occasionally, for chauvinistic purposes, and will do so as long as opportunities come around. And race and ethnicity will always be used for political purposes.
But the media, and the influential people must consider correcting the myths we created in our attempt to end apartheid, the cultural domination of its 1976 era, in particular. The ANC cashed generously both in it as well as others like the Sharpeville massacres, because of its well-oiled propaganda machinery. One spectacle we created was that an organisation can 'liberate' people, let alone have their interest at heart, and not individuals. In this way all individual struggles - some dating way before the ANC was established, are rubbished. The opportunism in this lies in the spectacle created. To oppose any view of an ANC leader is like opposing your parent. All one needs is to be a member of the ANC, then he becomes an instant 'hero'. As the taxi driver and the multitudes from Polokwane and the mines showed us, anything said or done against the leader deserves a death sentence.
They exist for their leader, and their party, not the other way round.
McCasey
m1si2zi3nzo4
buddi
But it is proven that only Jesus Christ still holds the record of spending each and every day he spent on earth blameless.. Zuma did make mistakes like we all do.
1. It is not even proven that jesus christ was on "earth" - where did he come from, or go to?
2. Zuma is president - he shouldn't make so many mistakes. He should lead by example. And I definitely haven't made as many mistakes as him.
swona1
Posted 384 days agoPOST94
Posted 384 days agoAll we can say to bubbly Lindiwe: NOTED...... but please, if you dont mind, go jump (no, she cant jump to save her life), go fall in the nearest lake.
Ngelengele
Posted 384 days agoPoor Lindiwe has just mastered the art of telling ANC who to choose and what to do and forgot about DA. Tony, Zille and now Lindiwe congradulation DA.
datraveller
The difference is that the DA knows what to do and has chosen the right people quickly removing the wrong people - I think the ANC could do with a hand form the DA is you ask me, and the other 24% of the country that voted for them.
buddi
Rather the DA's obsession than the ANC's obsession with the painting and the Goodman Gallery. A fat lot of use they did for the people who struggle everyday for water, food and electricity. These people didn't even know what it was all about.
The ANC should be so vocal about lack of water in so many rural (and not so rural) areas!!
RogueTrooperv2
The ANC has lost it's soul and is not even a shadow of the real ANC that actually had the welfare of the people at the core of it's daily function. The ANC has been reduced to a old boys (and girls) clubof thieving self-obsessed and self-important cadres and does not deserve the support they currently have. I cannot understand why despite the proof that they are literally raping the country everyday they still receive the vote. The democracy and political maturity in this country is astounding...the ANC in it's current form is the worst thing to happen in SA, they are driving this country's tax base to their knees and still squeezing for more and yet delivering very little in return.
You, Ngelengele need to get your head out of the sand and wrestle back your ill-fated future and that of your decendents from this band of thieves parading as the ANC before they destroy what your ancestors built!!!
Ngelengele
The difficulty with rhetoric is that it is not easy to pull yourself out of it. It blinds your focus and consume's you. You focus your total attention to something which will never help you even if you were to win. All of your answers did nothing but to affirm DA's rhetorics as we have heard it before.
I will forgive all of you though (I guees you can't help it shame), only if you honestly answer this question: How will removing Zuma help the DA? Honestly??
RogueTrooperv2
Don't you agree?
Ngelengele
"if the ANC upped its game and started doing what they were mandated to do i.e. serve the people and govern effectively. Don't you agree?"
What are you on about?
Again very simple, answer the following question: How will removing Zuma from ANC help DA? Stop focusing on what you want to say (rhetoric), focus on the question.
a_stub_born
RogueTrooperv2
Regarding your 'question', Zuma not running for president would not help the DA at all...not sure why you are asking such an obscure and potentially loaded question? I have never said that JZ opting out would help the DA because it couldn't BUT what it would do it possibly help us, the voter/taxpayer because he is inept, corrupt, a puppet and all round useless head of state who has no vision other than to ensure the people that catapulted him into office and have the potential of keeping him there are well looked after through his useless puppet-style leadership.
In fact him staying on would probably help the DA more because it would garner them, the DA more vote as people run from the ANC with their votes because they will see the ANC under JZ for what it is...a band of thieves!!!
Does that answer your question?
Ngelengele
Yes it does, thank you, atleast we are getting somewhere, let's keep our focus. You are right you never said that JZ opting out will help DA. I asked that question based on the article above.
Now, if changing JZ in the ANC is not going to help DA, then what this all obsession by DA leaders about his election to ANC is all about? (Remember the article above and focus).
South_One
Ngelengele
I'm happy you said it will not help DA at all yet you went on and said "this act would improve our government, our country and those who live within it." Now that is contradiction to me but may be you can explain how will removing Zuma from ANC will "improve our government, our country and those who live within it"? (Remember we are talking about Zuma not ANC, please focus).
South_One
So you see if he quits we might be able to get a leader who will take the tough decisions that will get this country back on track and developing. For since he has taken office we have been regressing. We don’t know who the next ANC leader might be but right now anyone would be better.
a_stub_born
Posted 384 days agoDA or not, the nation is in a terribly desperate state due to lack of leadership, with each faction pulling its own way: orders and counter-orders, rulings set and nullified, contradictory statements and so on......
Zuma will not relinquish his hunger for power just because Mazibuko/DA calls for it. For that he would need a modicum of common sense and shrewdness in his current situation which certainly he does not have.......
JJ2012
Posted 384 days agosadly, there are no suited successors in the ANC if Zuma is not re-elected
a_stub_born's got it right: "each faction pulling its own way" and each with their own agenda, BUT the DA will, at least, be held accountable for their promises if ever voted into power
mbongwa_mugabe
Posted 383 days agoOldman taking down my comment won't change my view about her or you, no wonder how much it take for you to romove a comment because my view are different from you. There is no or will never be an similarity between you and me. Remember where i come from and where you come from is two different places with different upbringing and different thoughts.I wish you can just stop you silly behaver.
Phaedioux
I hope you have never been violent/vindictive with anybody just because you thought they had done something that they actually hadn't?
mbongwa_mugabe
Posted 383 days agoAnne-KZN
Posted 383 days ago