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Tue May 21 19:44:22 SAST 2013

'ANC loves only power'

PHILANI NOMBEMBE | 14 November, 2012 00:01

Anti-apartheid activist Mamphela Ramphele has slammed the ANC for its backing of the Traditional Courts Bill, sky-high unemployment and the appalling standard of education.

Ramphele was speaking yesterday at the University of Cape Town's School of Business on the "Marikana Fallout".

As on previous occasions, she had harsh words for the ANC and the way in which it governs.

She spoke on a wide range of issues, including the mining and grape-farm strikes in Western Cape, and the role of labour unions.

Ramphele said the ANC treated voters "like children" and that the only time it would feel it had a duty to serve citizens would be when it feared it was in danger of losing power.

"Come election time, it will appeal to you to vote for the party of Mandela, [it will] appeal to you to vote for the only liberation movement [and] appeal to you not to vote for the DA because they will take you back to apartheid," said Ramphele.

"It's almost treating you like children and, unfortunately, we don't have civic education - where people understand that it is not possible to be taken back to apartheid.

"If you are poor and uneducated, you wonder if it is not possible that it can happen again."

Brothers Sipho and Barney Pityana, Rhodes University vice-chancellor Saleem Badat and businessman Reuel Khoza are among the many struggle activists who have spoken out against the ANC recently.

In September, Barney Pityana angered The Presidency during his Neil Aggett memorial lecture in Grahamstown.

He said: "We must blame nobody but ourselves for the tragedy of our education system, a collapsing healthcare system, a bloated but inefficient civil service, pervasive crime, and corruption that is endemic.

"We have a government trapped in ideological blinkers that believes and behaves like it is unaccountable."

His brother, Sipho, writing ahead of the convening of the commission of inquiry into the Marikana massacre, made similar observations.

He said that if one reflected on why 34 miners were shot and killed by the police, one could only blame "an acute failure of leadership in the ANC and the government it leads".

In April, Khoza, writing the chairman's foreword in Nedbank's annual report, questioned the quality of South Africa's ruling politicians - "political leadership's moral quotient is degenerating," he said.

Shortly after Khoza's comments, Badat referred to the "culture of disdainful conduct and service, sheer indifference to the needs of people, and a sore lack of ethical and accountable leadership".

Speaking at a graduation ceremony, Badat suggested that South Africans had been "numbed into silence" and that their "citizen's duty" was limited to voting every five years.

Yesterday, Ramphele lambasted the unions. She said that, unless they evolved, they were committing "suicide" and the strikes leading up to Marikana demonstrated workers' increasing lack of faith in many unions.

She said her heart bled when she looked at the calibre of educators.

"I come from a family of teachers. When I think about the apology that is called teachers in many of the schools my heart bleeds because we are condemning young, poor kids to being left in the hands of people who can't look after themselves.

"Many of those teachers who are members of the [SA Democratic Teachers' Union] are alcoholics, some are hooked on drugs and many are indebted to no end."

But Ramphele said some unions still had credibility, such as the National and Professional Teachers' Organisation of SA.

Ramphele slammed the Traditional Courts Bill, saying if enacted it would return the country to where apartheid "left us in 1994".

She said South Africa needed to reinvent itself after the Marikana tragedy but warned of " opportunists who are riding on the back of Marikana and agricultural labour problems".

She said the country needed to introduce national service to counter the skills shortage, turn mining and agriculture into highly skilled industries, and eliminate illiteracy if the economy were to improve.

SA Democratic Teachers' Union media officer Nomusa Cembi described Ramphela's comments as "derogatory".

"Teachers are a reflection of the community they come from. We feel grossly insulted. She acts as if she lives in a glass tower."

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Shongweni

Posted 188 days ago
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Nomusa Cembi clearly did not know teachers as we did in our youth. A teachers role in society is to challenge children to always be their best, to excel and exceed the achievements of their parents. A teacher should never be a mere reflection of society, a teacher should be an outstanding example of what every child could and should become. that is how you go forwards. Shame on you Nomusa!
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bugsy

Posted 187 days ago
@ Shongweni - Couldn't have said it better myself! You hit the nail right on the head, Shongweni.

AfricaRevolt2011

Posted 188 days ago
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Under Zuma's leadership the ANC of Oliver Tambo and Nelson Mandela has been reduced to a self enrichment scheme. All you need to do is to invest R12 per annum and you could be a millionaire or even a billionaire overnight.
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Wiseguy

Posted 188 days ago
Yes, the ultimate PONZI/Pyramid scheme, with the leaders, the families and their close friends/associates laughing and giggling all the way to the bank!

The truth hurts and they are trying their utmost to gag, obfuscicate and deny all criticism.......instead of dealing with the obvious problems, which would require self introspection, maturity and ultimately behavioural changes.......they carry on in denial! Trying their best to pass laws/acts and anything that will stiffle the truth.......it would be very hard for them to claim they are the political party of the people......there actions have indeed opened a large GAP on the political stage! Hopefully one of the opposition parties will fill soon as the current ANC seem relunctant to do the right thing for the people......and that means ALL the people!

The traditional courts bill is a complete joke and if it doesn't stand up to constitutional scrutiny(which I doubt) it should be dumped! If they ram it through, then I would urge all lawyers in RSA to challange each and every case they can get coming out of the traditional areas in our courts, and make sure one of the defendants is the "House of traditional leaders".....who should be held accountable esp. by means of civil claims!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!
VUKILE ABANTU VUUUUKKKKIIIIILLLLLEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike123

Posted 188 days ago
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Mamphela: you go girl! Of course the loathsome ANC criminals will daemonize you for speaking the truth. They don't like truth and honesty.
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LerroyMphela_Sr.

Posted 188 days ago
This madam always makes a lot of sense to me. I adore her and SA could do with with leaders who are educated and know better than JZ.
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datraveller

Posted 188 days ago
Meet the next leader of a united opposition and our next President.. question is will the nation vote for a party lead by females? I would, and it would do our country a world of good!

eyetieinSA

Posted 188 days ago
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I would love to see Mrs Ramphele join one of the opposition parties so as to add her great leadership qualities and foresight to help bring about change for all the poor people of SA left behind by very the self enrichment ideals of the current ANC, who only 20 years ago, fought to "liberate" SA from an apartheid SA. What a truly sad day it is now to watch SA slipping into the oblivion which many fought hard to free all, but now only to now once again to be going backwards. Mrs Ramphele that SA needs your voice is a given, but the fact that SA needs the action of people like you is even more greatly desperately needed, today.

AaronGumede

Posted 188 days ago
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She can hardly be identified with Steve Biko, it is hard to believe that she was Steve's cherry. She is a typical SA woman who think her job and getting more recognition is to identify herself with white males and fight black males. There is racism all over the work place, private sector is worst and parastatals joined the queue lately and she will never be found tackling them.
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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 188 days ago
So voicing out an obvious concern is an attempt to "...identify herself with white males and fight black males." Oh-kay.....
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Loggenberg

Posted 188 days ago
Aaron,

I think you forgot to make your point.

What you wrote above can be a response to any article about the ANC
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Wiseguy

Posted 188 days ago
Aaron, your comment reeks of "tribal" patriachism, racism and sexism?

She was Steve Biko's close companion and that is the only truth in your comment !
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AaronGumede

Posted 188 days ago
@Thuka-Thuka
Not long ago JSC refused to appoint Gauntlet siting 'humility' as their reasons and there she comes running and remember Gauntlett is not the only capable person who was not appointed but she made noise in the media on account of Gauntlett. I can give you many more instances where I listened to her and found her annoying
The ANC share the blame on unemployment and my reasoning is around privatisation of state entities which I know many whites and DA support that, but private sector is a racist group which only cater for whites. Now how can a normal and responsible government privatise in such a situation. In some cases they gave their service companies to foreign companies who are not briniging new knowledge, skill or technology, and as far as I am concerned, they messed up. Already we had many low qualified people as a result of apartheid and apartheid regime was using parastatals to generate skills and employ low qualified whites, that was brilliant.Now how can ANC come with more than 10million illeterate and unskilled udults but sell all their bargaining power and then distribute grants? Mbeki and the then ANC leadership did it and many still praise Mbeki today even though he enlave the black more. In education, the ANC could have improved in areas where apartheid regime oppressed the most by channeling more resources but YES instead thy sh**t on every thing.
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Bono

Posted 188 days ago
The word Misogynist come to mind with you attack on this "cherry"

We need more people with her integrity and her ability to analyse the current political climate!!
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AaronGumede

Posted 188 days ago
Wiseguy
Are you sure that your name potray you correctly, nothing tribal on my comment, are sure that you know what you talk about? You arenot making sense, whatever you call it ,companion, chery, girlfriend, it boils down to a single point.
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AaronGumede

Posted 188 days ago
Bono
Lets have such people who can be open minded and deal with all issues. Lets not sing praises while leading her to what we want and portray is a championship and brilliant.
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Wiseguy

Posted 188 days ago
Aaron, with all due respect! Open minded people do NOT try and demonise, belittle or shoot the messanger, NEITHER do they try pass laws/bills or acts that seek to decrease transparency, accountability or good governance.......they listen to the criticism, are brutaly honest with themselves, see the truth for what it is and then if they have the will and maturity, make approriate and relevant changes to correct the underlying problems!! They do play the person, but the ball.

Your initial comment was "tribal/patriarchal" in nature as it attempted to stereotype women and this wonderful, bright, clever, caring and thoughtful woman in particular in a NEGATIVE way..........and you CANNOT stereotype someone(particularly a woman in RSA) who has the courage to stand up in a patriarchal society drowning in a sea of corruption/nepotism/maladministration and says IT IS WRONG......WE NEED TO FIX IT!!

Much like the Apartheid regime tried to stereotype, demonise and belittle the teachings and leadership of Nelson Mandela......and when they couldn't accomnplish that, they used their "secrecy bill" to lock him away from society......and that didn't work either!
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GermanMouser

Posted 188 days ago
Aaron, your mind is missing, find it... or I will declare your brain dead.
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Wiseguy

Posted 188 days ago
typo....they do not play the person....they play the ball!
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 188 days ago
So, Aaron, who can be identified with Steve Biko? The ANC? They hated Biko and the feeling was mutual. Rumour always had it that it was the ANC who sold Biko out to the Secret Service and caused his death.

I find your misogynistic views on women to be highly insulting.
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BandileNodada

Posted 188 days ago
Yhooo awuncu shame....this lady speaks the truth.....your hate against humans of another race and protection of the ANC clearly shows in your comment....grow up an smell the coffe...I am balck like you but i don't agree with how my country is run especially with my money (tax).

Go hang by the way, we not here to boost your ego or confidence.

Stirrer

Posted 188 days ago
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"Brothers Sipho and Barney Pityana, Rhodes University vice-chancellor Saleem Badat and businessman Reuel Khoza are among the many struggle activists who have spoken out against the ANC recently."

This is great - the more the prominent (black) people speak truth to power, the sooner this fake ANC (with all their Walt Disney character leaders) will realise that they must up their game! Relying on the real ANC's liberation record is no longer enough to ensure that the fake ANC will stay in power.
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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 188 days ago
Stirrer. I'm not that bullish. I think Mangaung will tell us all we need to know on how serious the ANC is on upping their game (on this point, I'd be extremely happy to be proved wrong).

GermanMouser

Posted 188 days ago
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Madam Mamphela Ramphele, your spirit is needed in the ANC.

But I don’t think these criminals will allow you to come closer to them, " you need to have a criminal element in you then you will qualify to be among the gods”

SuiGeneris

Posted 188 days ago
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Cut off the head of the viper - PRONTO !
Don't just talk about the no confidence vote against Zuma - DO IT !
After that we can all pick up the pieces and exalt this this country to the heights that it is capable of.

skhokho21

Posted 188 days ago
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People are quick to praise sing for people attacking the ANC, correctly so, granted but its also a fact that she is a home wrecker, tried the same thing with Madiba after his divorce but Graca stood her ground, failed to transform UCT, refused the position (Minister of Education). The ANC is taking us for granted but she was given an opportunity to serve the country and implement her ideas but chickened out so she must shut up. We know the problems within the ANC, a big mistake was made in Polokwane and it won`t be repeated come Mangaung. Why is she blaming the ANC for strikes, they don`t own farms and mines.
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Jomo_Bez

Posted 188 days ago
The ANC sets the minimum wage and is determining the direction our economy takes. They are pushing up the prices of petrol, diesel, electricity which means that manufacturing has to cut somewhere and the only option is jobs. Then there are strikes because of unemployment? there comes a point when a political party has to stop blaming apartheid for all the wrongs - everything has changed since then.
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AaronGumede

Posted 188 days ago
MY POINT, not that ANC is not failing but who is this singer and who is she singing for?
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Wiseguy

Posted 188 days ago
"Why is she blaming the ANC for strikes, they don`t own farms and mines.".....correct, BUT they are the government of the day, and a VERY important part of good governance means making sure labour and capital work well together. A breakdown in that relationship = strike action!
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 188 days ago
“Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."-Einstein.
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Anticrooks

Posted 188 days ago
The strikes in the WC are clearly orchestrated by the ANC to destabilise the province. Why has the ANC/COSATU done nothing about the workers' plight at Aurora? These workers have not been paid for years. The reason for their lack of action is clearly because these mines are owned by people highly connected to Zuma. Every time a voice of reason comes out, it is shut down by the ignorant, blind followers of so-called leaders who have not one iota of morality. Look at what is happening at branches where meetings for nominations for Magaung are being held. Can anyone say that those lobbying to hold onto power are not aware of the intimidations and threats? One must be extremely naive to believe that!

skhokho21

Posted 188 days ago
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Jomo, ANC does not determine the price of petrol & diesel, you don`t know what you talking about. Then the farmers & miners must come to the party & pay people. There are no excuses for the ANC, their fkcu ups are well documented but don`t just throw everything at them. Those calling for ANC removal, don`t even offer an alternative/solution, come clean tell us who in place of the ANC, who has interests of black people.
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SuiGeneris

Posted 188 days ago
''.....Those calling for ANC removal, don`t even offer an alternative/solution....''

The ''solutions'' offered by the ANC are voted in by the majority vote to suit their style of governance of the country.

The ANC simply reject anything that they don't like by voting against it.

Alternative solutions by the opposition can only be implemented with a much stronger representation - something like an almost 50/50 distribution of power or if the opposition have the majority vote.
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Matseleng

Posted 188 days ago
Skhokho kanti which school of thought did you come from? ANC is the ruling party and they make all the rules that influences the economic policies including the petrol price baba. If you care to know please go check what comprises the petrol price. I do agree with you in regards to Ramphele and her ranting. It gets boring sometimes, her views are one sided all the time and she has never came up with any solutions to all this problems. In this article, she has completely compromised her ' Political Independence Analyst" tag by indorsing the DA in disguise.

Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 188 days ago
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Will really Mrs Ramphele do something different if she was also forming part of the Zuma ''Guvmunt''? My understanding of politics which lies in deceit tells me that she will not be any different from the leeches she is currently accusing! It is sort the pot calling the kettle black, just because is not sitting on top of the same fire! If Ramphele would act different whilst in Government like Thuli Madonsela to a certain extent, than it will be a situation of the skunk calling the rose stinky because despite being stinky both the rose and the skunk, the difference is that the rose smells nicer than the skunk!
The situation between Ramphele and the ANC is like that of the pot bottom calling the kettle bottom black! My reasoning in terms of the above is that, the pot is sooty (being placed on a fire), while the kettle is clean and shiny (being placed on coals only), and hence when the pot accuses the kettle of being black, it is the pot's own sooty reflection that it sees. That is to say that the pot accuses the kettle of a fault that only the pot has, rather than one that they share.
The truth is that Ramphele would have kept quite if she was part of the government, remember, there are no permanent enemies or friends in politics, look at Balindlela now! Politics will never be fair, perhaps God sidelined Ramphele so that she can be the voice of reason within the black cabal!
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Matseleng

Posted 188 days ago
Voice of reason my foot. I like your analysis of her though. This woman failed in many ways to transform UCT and Anglo when she was a chairperson there. She has endorsed Capital and has never even one day said anything abaut the unjusticies in the mining sector. She is obviously happy to collect her fat cheque every month. Unlike Thuli Madonsela, Ramphele has never done anything to uplift the lives of the poor including the village in Limpopo were she comes from. Instead she sits in high profile meeting and conferences to join the broader choir of the elite that sings to the upper middle class of this country. How does a poor person with no resources gets to hear her rantings abaut the government?

Tokolosh

Posted 188 days ago
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The promises will be empty come 2014! You can kick a loyal dog for some while but it will bite eventually!

andmuchmore

Posted 188 days ago
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its very interesting how you obsession against the ANC has brighten your political carreer as you have been promised a top position in the DA. shame on you.

danny.archer3

Posted 188 days ago
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This woman irritates me. If she's got such a big problem with the ANC, and apparently not with the DA, then why doesn't she take the plunge and nail her colours to the DA mast so that she can help them with their "image" problem? Stop complaining from the sidelines and take a stand!
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andmuchmore

Posted 188 days ago
thats a problem with black liberals
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GermanMouser

Posted 188 days ago
You cannot provide solution into something that lacks listening skills.

I guess these murderous have been listening for the past 18 yrs, that’s why things are so mess-up in this country
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Stirrer

Posted 188 days ago
Greetings danny.archer3!
I think that, as a voting drawcard for black voters, she is more effective outside the DA at this stage - .
The gulf between leaving the ANC and joining the DA is still a two-step process for the majority of voters.

Wiseguy

Posted 188 days ago
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Guys, to all of you who think she should have joined the ANC government or nail her colours to the DA mast or something like that?

You need to understand ,we as a country and specifically as an evolving society, need leaders who are non-partisan, of high moral standing, ethical, honest who hold our politicians and our political parties accountable for the poor performance ! And, btw, the reason that the ANC comes in for much more criticism than the DA...is the ANC currently holds a LOT more power than the DA.....capiche?? It has nothing to do with RACE....get over yourslves already??

We NEED more of her type....a LOT more.

Not more partisan politicians....!
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danny.archer3

Posted 188 days ago
Is non-partisanism working? NO! The likes of her and Tutu have been bitching for years. Non-partisanism is not helping. The balance of power first needs to be equalised. I.e. The priority is to get a two/three party system in place. We don't have time for idealistic nonsense such as non-partisanism.
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Wiseguy

Posted 188 days ago
"The balance of power first needs to be equalised. I.e. The priority is to get a two/three party system in place. We don't have time for idealistic nonsense such as non-partisanism. ".............................I hear you Danny! Their is indeed an imbalance in power currently and it is indeed being abused by some/many! That is very worrying, frustrating and infuriating......when you think of our history of inequality and abuse of power. Esp/ as the ANC came to power on the ticket of equality, fairness and to stop the abuse of power(apartheid).....very frustrating indeed.

I myself try and remain non-partisan as much as possible. While those in power, who abuse their positions of power make it difficult to remain non-partisan, doesn't mean there isn't or shouldn't be a place in our political landscape for objective analysis. Many people do not agree 100% with ANY of our current political parties or their ideologies or how they do business........so we need to recognise this and allow for non-partisanism.....their objective assesments of the political climate/situation should carry "extra weight"! One would hope?

skhokho21

Posted 188 days ago
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Wiseguy,

"high moral standing, ethical, honest"

For fukc sake, the woman was sleeping with a married man without protection, when JZ did it "you" say he has no values, morals & ethics. This woman is a howler and an opportunist, good that Dibas chose Graca. I dare her criticise or join DA.
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Wiseguy

Posted 188 days ago
She was Steve Biko's ( of african consciousness fame)close companion in the days before HIV. No doubt Mr Biko's and her "culture" played an important part......and lets not forget he was a very attractive, larger than life person, who was not shy to tell the truth to power! Morally, that might been objectionable to some, BUT open minded GOOD people reckognise their moral faults and do not repeat them......unlike some of our current high flying politicians that is!

That is simply what she is doing......speaking truth to power!

Did I say I thought she should be president of RSA ? No

And yes, I do expect, the President of RSA to show respect to the "office" and prioritise it over his/her personal sex life! Don't you ?
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buddi

Posted 188 days ago
Skhokho21
It seems to worry you that many years ago she had a relationship with Steve Biko. By the way this was in the days before HIV.
Your president makes a habit of sleeping with women who are not his wife, and have children with them. He has four/five wives for heaven's sake, is that not enough for a man his age.
You cannot compare his morals to Ramphele's.

Robrt10Mugabe99

Posted 188 days ago
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Question


I know this woman has been darling for white people in SA, however I have been in doom and gloom what she has done, is there anyone one who can give me a little bit of insight about this woman, altist 5 key issues tangible
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Matseleng

Posted 188 days ago
1. Lol, she was a mistress to Bra Steve... (the have a child together).

2. She was an executive director at world bank. (Master)

3. She was a chairperson to Anglo American executive board. (Capitalist)

4. She once turned downs a position as a minister of Education. (Coward)

5. She has done nothing for the poor that she claims to represent.(Hypocrete)
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Stirrer

Posted 188 days ago

Matseleng :

1. Lol, she was a mistress to Bra Steve... (the have a child together).
-----They actually had two, their baby daughter died and their son was born after Biko was murdered (Mother)

2. She was an executive director at world bank. (Master)
-----She is the first South African to hold this position (Pioneer)

3. She was a chairperson to Anglo American executive board. (Capitalist)
-----As well as Transnet, and Trustee of Nelson Mandela Childrens Fund, IDASA, Mo Ibrahim Foundation, and has numerous international degrees and awards (Versatile)

4. She once turned downs a position as a minister of Education. (Coward)
-----She probably felt an educational professional like Jonathan Jansen was better suited to this position (Intelligent)

5. She has done nothing for the poor that she claims to represent.(Hypocrete
-----Besides being a founder of the Black Conciousness Movement, where she organised community development programmes resulting in her banishment (Hero)
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Robrt10Mugabe99

Posted 188 days ago
@Stirrer
Posted 40 minutes ago



No she was nt the first SA to be appointed in the world bank , this is nt true, absolutely not true
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Stirrer

Posted 188 days ago
Robrt10Mugabe99

My sources have her as being appointed one of four Managing Directors of World Bank (with important portfolios). Can't think of any other South African with such a high position in the organisation!

RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 188 days ago
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Well, reading the comments, it is obvious that Dr Ramphele (and all the others mentioned in the article) have a very valid point. When the words are ignored and the character assassination begins, you gotta know that it has hit the target
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GermanMouser

Posted 188 days ago
I second your comment; this woman has hit the nail. The accuracy of this woman show facts. Right now she is providing positive criticism to wake up the sleeping gods. .

buddi

Posted 188 days ago
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...and that the only time it would feel it had a duty to serve citizens would be when it feared it was in danger of losing power.

My point exactly and one that many anc voters don't understand. You don't have to vote for the DA, but vote so that the anc does not have such a huge majority. They are arrogant with power. They think they don't have to answer questions in parliament, insult other MPs in parliament, are corrupt, and use money fraudulently. They just do as they jolly well please, because they know that they will win each election with a huge majority, and at the moment there's very little anyone can do about it.
Why do you think there are so many court cases? Its the only way to make the anc do the right thing.

Mangqeshane

Posted 188 days ago
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The Irony that the media has done about this mama Ramphele's story/article, is that, the media has taken her views of solving RSA's ills & put them right at the end of story. What comes out in the end is critisism of the ANC, govt etc. I doubt it very much that, this was the tone & how she started with her speech.

Amazingly, including the media, it treats its readership/viewership/listenership as child force feedign it what it wants.

skhokho21

Posted 188 days ago
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Momma, how come when we speak truth about her you call it character assassination. She was given a chance to serve SA, she chickened out, if the ANC is that bad, then join another party to fight for SA, to me she is just an opportunist.
Buddi for as long as you attack, the ANC & Gov, you will never have the majority, I don`t care who says what, DA is a party with interests of white people and ANC is a party with interests of black people, never mind the k*k by JZ, his time is up, he won`t complete this term, the man was a mistake we know that now.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 188 days ago
Which WORDS that she has said here are you disagreeing with? All you have given so far is personal attacks with not a single, solitary mention of what she has said.

I was dreadfully disappointed to hear that she had been given the opportunity to put her actions where her mouth is but I haven't heard her side of the story as to why she turned it down. Until I know both sides of the story, I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Why does everyone have to be a political puppet in your world? I have no political affiliations but that doesn't mean that I don't vote or that my voice is irrelevant. To be honest, anyone who has a political affiliation, I don't listen to them as they are on an agenda and won't come close to being fair minded or honest
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Matseleng

Posted 188 days ago
@Momma dont you know that if you compromise your character in anyway it will be hard to put your point accross without being judged or reminded on that regard.? Ask JZ if you want to know all about it. The tag of being corrupt and bafoon will never wash off his name. Today it is hard for him to drive any point without his character being attacked by people including yourself. What comes in mind when Zuma talks or when you hear his name?. It is funny that everytime when I read or see Ramaphosa on the news I see a R18 million Baffalo.
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RSA.MommaCyndi

Posted 188 days ago
If she had been talking about the sanctity of marriage, then I'd get it. She isn't

ppss

Posted 188 days ago
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actually they love money and power.

andmuchmore

Posted 188 days ago
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who is she married today? or is she after Zuma too? she likes married man especially those that are famous. she can do everything to get a man.

skhokho21

Posted 188 days ago
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One of those words are these,

"Many of those teachers who are members of the [SA Democratic Teachers' Union] are alcoholics, some are hooked on drugs and many are indebted to no end."

This general statement is not fair on many teachers that are working hard.

"But Ramphele said some unions still had credibility, such as the National and Professional Teachers' Organisation of SA."

Look she is praise singing a union for white teachers.

She failed to transform UCT when she was in charge. Did you ever hear her criticising DA, plz remind me. People like her offer no solutions, they just bark.


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GermanMouser

Posted 188 days ago
There is nothing to praise under JZ administration, ...talking about murderous, stupid criminals who are existed to get a court order that says “ go and destroy peoples house”

They’ve go upsoluteley nothing to show. They are just hooligans who needs to be arrested.
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andmuchmore

Posted 188 days ago
no she wont criticised DA the madam has promised her something that the the ANC is not doing to her. retirement is coming so she must have something.

MafikaSkosana

Posted 188 days ago
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true,but i guese these moral midgets don't read newspapers that is why they always do what they do. driving our economy down the drain through looting resources , scaring investors with their gangster/criminal behaviour and distabilising the ANC of Mandela and Tambo and critisizing everybody who publicly critisize them.
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Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 188 days ago
MafikaSkosana

Hahahaha, Ntate Skosana! Your avatar is one of its kind, lol, parental guidance is advised!

Mangqeshane

Posted 188 days ago
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Its bad when South Africans rip each other apart the way they do on such fora.... I still mantain, the media have slightly altered her speech sections in order to get a particular reaction. For this country to work better than it is now, all sections of society must come on board. Truth be told, we have a a very POOR OPPOSITION in govt, all of them offer nothing tangible & out tax money is wasted on these poor performing parties. They are all pathetic & we are paying them for screwing us.

The media has lost the plot completely, they do not know whether they are the PUBLIC's watchdogs or the OPPOSITION


@Mafika Skosana....DAMNNNN!!! your profile pic..

Maxi

Posted 188 days ago
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One thing I do not understand is why the Marikana incident is being politicized? Did ANC order the miners to carry dangerous weapons when protesting, or did it order the police to shoot the miners?
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GermanMouser

Posted 188 days ago
This is a hypocrite say, JZ-ANC is failing dismal.
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 188 days ago
You may as well ask whether the NP ordered the killing of residents in the Vaal by the hostel dwellers. Go on and ask whether the Sharpeville, and 1976 Massacres were ordered by the then ruling party. But, I question the time we waste informing leeches about what is going on around them, or what has been happening before there was the ANC elite rule. Either they seriously do not know anything except their ruling thieves, or they know, but do not want to believe it. I know it takes time, and learning, to sink. We are all from there.
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Maxi

Posted 188 days ago
m1si2zi3nzo4
Of course those shooting during the apartheid regime were ordered by the then government. People were protesting against the evil laws of the past and the government ordered the police raid than getting rid of those laws. The Marikan thing is a labor dispute between workers and a private company. Government police were there only to guarantee security. Unfortunately the situation became violent when armed workers tried to attack them. In the past people were massacred while protesting peacefully.
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m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 188 days ago
"those shooting during the apartheid regime were ordered by the then government" Oh no!! "We do not shoot to murder, but shoot to kill" "Only apartheid state murdered people, we don't." There was no police then, there was apartheid police. Apartheid police are accountable even for this one, as we do not know anything about being accountable.

Even apartheid refused to be compared with Nazism. Just as the present racist government refuses to accept that fact. Its amazing how language gets used to adjust the minds of the people, due to its ability to create thought. This guarantees a belief that there is no other reality than the one created for the ignorant masses. Dictators learned long ago how to master language. In such way torture and cruelty can be avoided, as systematic forms of control, to achieve abject submission to tyranny.

GermanMouser

Posted 188 days ago
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Miners were protesting against evil wages that have not changed ever since I remember & they were brutally murdered.

We know who said what via e-mails & we know that they are members of the NEC of the JZ-ANC.
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Maxi

Posted 188 days ago
And those evil wages are in the private sector and not the public sector. As far as I know those exchanged emails were from several individuals who have business interests in mines. So what ever was discussed there was business oriented and not political. The member of the NEC you are talking about was raising his personal views as a business man and not on behalf of the NEC.
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GermanMouser

Posted 188 days ago
Apparently........

Selftaught

Posted 188 days ago
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Nothing wrong with serving oneself interest in this country. She has made her money just like Cyril Ramaphosa....Now she's obviously ready to use the simple minded middle class and the illiterate like everyone else. Watch out for Patrice and others in the next couple of years!!!!!

BobbyBob

Posted 188 days ago
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The ANC / Cosatu have more than this on their hands, they are purposely driving a new Marikana in the Western cape. Has the ANC become a lawless criminal terrorist organisation?
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proud-mbongwa

Posted 188 days ago
I wish you can prove your twisted allegation about ANC /COSATU.

proud-mbongwa

Posted 188 days ago
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What is she doing to better the current situation or shouting on the media will help? I dont have time for people like this old magliza.