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Tue Jun 18 07:51:55 SAST 2013

ANC rallies for Zuma

CAIPHUS KGOSANA | 15 November, 2012 00:39
AU Commission Chief Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma talks with French President Hollande following a meeting at the Elysee Palace in Paris
AU Commission chairman Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma with French President Francois Hollande after a meeting at the Elysée Palace in Paris yesterday
Image by: PHILIPPE WOJAZER / REUTERS

The ANC in parliament has resolved to use its majority to block a motion of no confidence in President Jacob Zuma tabled by an alliance of opposition parties last week.

ANC MPs were summoned to a special caucus meeting yesterday, attended by Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe, at which the motion of no confidence was discussed.

The opposition parties proposed the motion in terms of section 102 of the constitution, which stipulates that, for such a motion to succeed, the support of more than half of all members of the National Assembly is required.

The ANC holds 264 of the assembly's 400 seats and the opposition parties would have needed at least 67 ruling party legislators to support the motion for it to pass.

But ANC MPs have chosen to rally around Zuma by refusing to allow it to be debated in the National Assembly.

"The motion of the opposition about the alleged violation of the constitution by President Zuma is without foundation and cannot be supported by fact," said ANC chief whip Mathole Motshekga.

This is a blow to the opposition parties, which had hoped to lure those ANC MPs belonging to the anti-Zuma faction into supporting the no-confidence motion.

This would have required the speaker to give permission for a secret ballot, as had been requested by the leaders of the opposition parties when they announced their plans for tabling the motion.

The National Assembly's multi-party programme committee is scheduled to meet this morning to discuss the motion.

The ANC will use that meeting to rubber-stamp the decision of its caucus.

Motshekga said the opposition parties that tabled the motion did not have valid reasons for doing so.

"If the people of South Africa, the majority of whom overwhelmingly mandate this president and the ANC to lead this country, were to learn that this august institution has entertained a motion of no confidence in the president on the basis of such frivolous allegations, their trust in the ANC and parliament would have been violated," he said.

He advised opposition parties to use the 2014 general election to elect a president of their choice instead of attempting to use parliament to change the leadership of the country.

DA chief whip Watty Watson said he had written to Speaker Max Sisulu, reminding him that attempts by the ANC to use its majority to block the tabling of the motion were a violation of the constitution.

DA parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko said it was "unprecedented and unconstitutional" for the ANC to veto debate by parliament on the president's performance.

She said this proved that the ANC was not sure it could secure the support of all its MPs if the motion were put to a vote by secret ballot.

"It is clear that the ANC is running scared today. The real reason that the party does not want the vote to take place is that its leaders cannot secure the support they need within their own ranks to vote the motion down," Mazibuko said.

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Mike123

Posted 215 days ago
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"... on the basis of such frivolous allegations, their trust in the ANC and parliament would have been violated"

What trust?
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Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 214 days ago
Mike123

Ironically one of their illiterate master cannot even pronounce the word ''trust''! HAHAHAHA!
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Thuka-Thuka

Posted 214 days ago
trust = free shirt come election time!
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Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 214 days ago
Thu Thuka

Hahahah I like that, voting pig fodder gets ''fong kong'' t-shirts! While Cyril Ramaphosa gets an 18 million buffalo! Who is clever and who is a fool! Meanwhile Zuma is building himself a luxury bunker! Who needs, a bunker, fat BEE deals and all big tenders, the one who is clever and at the other hand the rest gets, social grants, once off free meals and a very poor education for their kids, that is a cherry on top! By the time fools wake up, it will be very late to redress anything!

PSG

Posted 215 days ago
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"DA parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko said it was "unprecedented and unconstitutional" for the ANC to veto debate by parliament on the president's performance."

Can any of the legal heads or those that know the answer to my question please school me. What is unconstitutional as per Ms Mazibuko's pronouncement about the ANC exercising its majority to veto this motion?
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l984

Posted 215 days ago

h t t p://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/in-a-democracy-the-court-of-public-opinion-is-king/
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PSG

Posted 215 days ago
Thank you 1984 have read this article and I must say that it has left me with more questions than answers.

Prof says that Section 102(2) of the Constitution allows the National Assembly to debate and pass a motion of no confidence in the President by a simple majority of 200 of its members, the critical question IMO being what procedure must be followed with clear guidelines for the motion to be debated e.g. how many MPs must agree to this before it gets debated etc.

Prof De Vos is a constitutional expert and should give us his legal and axpert opinion rather than attacking the person of Mr Motshekga or the position that he holds as a leader in the ANC in traditional matters ". Earlier on he even refered to him as an intellectual not once have I heard Mr Motshekga refering to himself as an intellectual.
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Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 214 days ago
PSG, the following information regarding the ''Procedure'' might come in handy!

In law, a motion of no confidence is a parliamentary motion which when passed would demonstrate to the head that the elected parliament no longer has confidence in one or more members of the appointed government. A motion is proposed by a member of the body, for the consideration of the body as a whole. With the exception of certain incidental and privileged motions, the person making the motion, known as the mover, must first be recognized by the Speaker of Parliament as being entitled to speak; this is known as obtaining the floor.
Section 89(1) of the constitution outline that the National Assembly, by a resolution adopted with a supporting vote of at least two thirds of its members, may remove the President from office only on the grounds of ¬a serious violation of the Constitution or the law; serious misconduct; or inability to perform the functions of office, those are the reason they can provide which suits very well with the Zuma version of story!
Section102 (1) of the constitution provide that if the National Assembly, by a vote supported by a majority of its members, passes a motion of no confidence in the Cabinet excluding the President, the President must reconstitute the Cabinet, section 102 (2) provide further that if the National Assembly, by a vote supported by a majority of its members, passes a motion of no confidence in the President, the President and the other members of the Cabinet and any Deputy Ministers must resign.
The Standing Rules and Orders of Parliament also play a pivotal rule and are significant during motion of no confidence in the State President, precisely the section detailing about ''motions''! But the most important thing is the constitution!
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PSG

Posted 214 days ago
Thank you Sasha that has helped a lot :-).



m1si2zi3nzo4

Posted 215 days ago
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Why not just get the darned thing done, and win or lose? Everyone worth his salt has voiced concern about Zuma's lack of leadership, except the beneficiaries of his stolen largesse. This applies both inside the ANC and outside. The ANC is not parliament, where all political parties contest their own views. Otherwise, what is the point of having such a costly exercise, rather than letting the winner do what it likes with the taxpayer's money? Parliament is supposed to be an institution made up of representatives of the political parties, funded by the taxpayer, who is not necessarily represented there. Thus, must its worth be evaluated, as it does not generate any income but is a net consumer thereof.

The ANC elite will never submit to democratic institutions paid for by citizens.

Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 215 days ago
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Of course birds of the same feathers protects each other! But the ''anc'' must stop telling us about economic policy, job creation, human rights, justice, corruption, nepotism and accountability! They must just keep quite because they do not know anything! Never expect miracles, if you are not a cardiologist you will never operate a heart transplant! Simple as that! What do they know about all this things they make noise about everyday! They must first ''go to school'' to tell us something at the moment they lack too much in ''internet connection'' upstairs! I have totally lost hope and faith in ''da guvmunt'' it is useless and failing for all intend and purpose!
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SuiGeneris

Posted 214 days ago
''.....I have totally lost hope and faith in ''da guvmunt'' it is useless and failing for all intend and purpose!.....''

That's right, and millions of others, including myself, probably feel the same after reading this moronic statement......

".......The motion of the opposition about the alleged violation of the constitution by President Zuma is without foundation and cannot be supported by fact......" said ANC chief whip Mathole Motshekga.
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Sasha*-Fierce

Posted 214 days ago
SuiGeneris
In terms of South African Criminal and Constitutional law, being in contempt of court is a very serious offence! A person who is in contempt must be impeached! I hope that ring a bell to a certain ''783 corruption charges and Spy tapes''!
Section 89(1) of the constitution outline that the National Assembly, by a resolution adopted with a supporting vote of at least two thirds of its members, may remove the President from office only on the grounds of ¬a serious violation of the Constitution or the law; serious misconduct; or inability to perform the functions of office, those are the reason they can provide which suits very well with the Zuma version of story!
Section102 (1) of the constitution provide that if the National Assembly, by a vote supported by a majority of its members, passes a motion of no confidence in the Cabinet excluding the President, the President must reconstitute the Cabinet, section 102 (2) provide further that if the National Assembly, by a vote supported by a majority of its members, passes a motion of no confidence in the President, the President and the other members of the Cabinet and any Deputy Ministers must resign.

PPP

Posted 214 days ago
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All of a sudden ANC can govern with the likes of Zuma and the Cabal, the same ANC has factions inside those who want to keep their tenders running and those who want to start new tenders - It is the same difference. They will play race card whenever they fail we know them for the past 18 years failing the majority of South Africans is because of Apartheid according to ANC. Vote ANC at your own risk and create fat leaders.

Voiceofreason#1

Posted 214 days ago
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"He advised opposition parties to use the 2014 general election to elect a president of their choice instead of attempting to use parliament to change the leadership of the country."

Ofcourse u r right Mr Motshekga. The majority keep signing an ANC (Anti-Nuptual Contract) contract every 5 yrs so that u guys can keep what u have, ie, tax payers' money, and everyone else gets left with what they have, ie, nothing!

Thuka-Thuka

Posted 214 days ago
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What does the ANC know about Zuma that we don't? Or are they actually going to get their act together and deal with the problem in their own little way in December?

nkosipeter

Posted 214 days ago
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The opposition are forcing the ANC's hand into defending Zuma. It is a tactical political move, as the opposition realise that Zuma is in fact the true ANC's own worst enemy, and is the one most likely to accelerate the ANC's demise.

The ANC is thus in a quandary. They cannot be seen to defend him in Parliament (which they are doing) and then boot him out in Mangaung.

So it will be interesting to see how the wishes of 264 ANC MP's stack up against the wishes of some 4000 delegates in Mangaung.

My guess is they will stick with the devil they know, which plays right into the opposition's hands.

Tokolosh

Posted 214 days ago
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I have no confidence in the current Zuma administration - NONE!

bhekiDprofessor1

Posted 214 days ago
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Citizens we got a problem right there. This shows that the ANC can do as it pleases since the apposition parties are short in number. We can esily go down the drain, of which were are just a second away with the current leadership!

AnotherTaxPayer

Posted 214 days ago
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This same behavior of the MP's can be seen when you attach a bell to one goat. All the other goats will follow that goat with the bell. Even if it stands on some rail tracks looking at the oncoming train...

Stirrer

Posted 214 days ago
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It's amazing how the minority opposition parties can force a huge majority organisation like the ANC to run scared in Parliament!
Amandla NsKANDaaLA!

manga2

Posted 214 days ago
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The opposition never learns. Despite all the internal squables and the imminent 'battle of Mangaugng', the ANC will never entertain EXTERNAL MEDDLING by outsiders. You touch an ANC President, you touch all of us. INJA WA INJA WO!!

We'll deal with Msholozi (if we want to) at Manguang. Otherwise, Sis Lindiwe Mazibuko must just focus on making sure that she's around for another 30 or more years. Regular visits to the Virgin Active will go a long way towards ensuring that.
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SuiGeneris

Posted 214 days ago
Birds of a feather flock together !

You seem to feel very much at home with this dysfunctional government operating in a vacuum of incompetence.
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i_stub_born

Posted 214 days ago
....or put it in other words:

"You know Zuma is incompetent and corrupt. I, know Zuma is incompetent and corrupt.....But I WILL DECIDE when and if Zuma must continue representing me !!!!........Am I not an intelligent ANC African man or what ??......................
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manga2

Posted 214 days ago
It hurts, doesnt it? No it's actually frustrating that ONLY the ANC can appoint and remove (recall) a President. No amount of chuhuahuing from the opposition helps. Instead, it just annoys us to even ignore the blatant flaws of our deployees.

Until WE change the electoral system, just shut up.
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i_stub_born

Posted 214 days ago
........does it hurt to be represented by a decrepit corrupt politician and still be proud of choosing him as my representative??.........mmmmm not to me !!.....I never voted for this mampara, but I understand your feelings...and yet you made a good choice......It explains!!!.....

ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

Posted 214 days ago
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I have no doubt that a motion of no confidence in Jacob Zuma can succeed in parliament, and there should be more than 67 ANC MPs to support it. But the timing is all wrong. The ANC is holding its National Conference in Mangaung next month where the collective wisdom of members of the ANC will prevail and Jacob Zuma will no longer be president of the ANC. Once ANC members have pronounced themselves on this matter, I am pretty sure that when parliament returns in February the following year or some time later a motion of no confidence in President Jacob Zuma can be crafted, and will definitely enjoy the support of many in the ANC, inside and outside parliament. Once the motion of no confidence has been passed Jacob Zuma will step down as president. This time there will be no need for the president to be recalled, as democratic processes would just take their course. Not even the most enthusiastic of anti-Zuma MPS would want to see opposition parties decide on a matter which is honestly speaking the preserve of ANC members.

DonaldKnight

Posted 214 days ago
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...without foundation...no valid reasons...frivolous allegations: The man's got his head in the sand. What a mampara!