The heading is disingenuous to say the least. Nowhere in the article does it allude to the idea that the DA has been outfoxed. What is does say is that the fool Mathole Motshekga has backtracked on his previous statement and that in the ANC, the left hand clearly does not know what the right hand is doing.

The only one that was outfoxed was Motshekga, by the constitution, therefore his 180 degree turnaround strategy on his own initial statement.
The ANC will never seize to amaze the nation with their notorious ability to unearth the most devious characters from their infinite pool of super intellectuals.

deebee
Are you sure you only want one becoz I can give you more than one but seeing that you want one, I give NKOSAZANA DLAMINI ZUMA.

TimesLives get your headlines right.

Unfortunately, the DA have been outfoxed by the ANC. The only chance for the motion of non-confidence in Zuma to succeed is if the debate and vote is held prior to the Mangaung Conference, as it would give the non-Zuma ANC MP's the opportunity to remove him by secret ballot before the Conference. Once Zuma is re-elected at Mangaung for the next four years, there will be far less chance of the motion succeeding in the new year when parliament reconvenes.

I can only agree with the previous comments about the absurdity of the hl. But on consideration I am left impressed with its very novelty value, lets face it this is in the mould of " Chihuahua Mauls Elephant" in grabbing one's attention.

These mischievous headlines are becoming more frequent and more pathetic!
The headline should read that the ANC did a complete about-turn on the reasonable request of the opposition parties (not the DA!) to debate the motion of no confidence in that chap with the compound!.

One last thought. The author's obvious relish at what in his (very humble) opinion is a victory leaves one to ponder the meaning of democracy to some of our better paid citizens. Surely a precedent who has cheated stolen, indebted his nation and has elevated loopholism to a science should only be treated with contempt not subtly applauded for his cunning.

I hate to break it to u all but there will be no voting done in Parliament today. Why must the courts have more power than parliament?.

The imperialists are at it again.

The comments on this issue prove how stupid populism can be. It takes excessive blogging to keep people away from racist stupidity. Zuma can be dumb, but he certainly understand how stupidity can stay one in power, where you have fewer "clever Blacks" in court. Populism is reflex action. A song, dance, shout, or cry, talk to sentiment, not reason. They trigger the reaction of both animal and the extremely stupid.

Unfortunately, we will remain in this state, and depend on dictatorships like China, for as long as our decisions are made by less than a handful of elite partisanship. Their decisions get rubber-stamped by the extremely stupid party representatives. Then the vulgar, apartheid capitalists, and their BEE, milk whatever they can get from this tyranny. Thus, we get our 'majority'.

This is probably the same 'outfoxing' as the way a minibus taxi driver outsmarts, circumvents or violates all other motorists, traffic laws and officials and institutions - or even the way a vehicle or engine are supposed to function or to be used safely. Only to end up one day killing all of his innocent, unsuspecting and unfortunate passengers. There IS such thing as a collective karma - and defending the wrong and the indefensible will only prolong the agony, and in the long term will even backfire on those who think today that they are very powerful and very good at 'outfoxing' everyone else.

The DA was clearly outfoxed and outsmarted by the ANC in this case. The main aim of the ANC was to make sure that the matter is not debated this year, particularly in the runup to Mangaung. Even those on the ANC who are opposed to Jacob Zuma's re-election will not support a motion of no confidence because the entire cabinet will have to resign (including Deputy President. And no self-respecting ANC member whether for or against Jacob Zuma would like to see the President of the ANC removed by members of the Opposition. That matter should be best left in the hands of the ANC National Conference. Even if a "No Confidence Debate" were to be held most ANC MPs (even those anti-Zuma) would vote for Jacob Zuma. That is politics. What happens the day Jacob Zuma loses the no confidence vote? Do we have to announce a general election and are the parties ready for that? Or does the National Assembly have to meet and elect a president, and where is the ANC going to get its mandate considering that its members are only meeting in December to elect the national leadership? It is clear to me that the implications of a no confidence vote have not been well-thought out by those involved.

Yes, the DA was outsmarted. The ANC Political Committee headed by Deouty President agreed that in terms of the Constitution such a a motion should not be denied and thus should be debated but did not say when. ANC Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga then called an ANC Parliamentary Caucus meeting to determine whether there was support for such a move and obviously those who were opposed were given prominence. The matter was never put to the vote and not many ANC MPs wouldwant to come out openly in favour of such motion. That allowed Motshekga to come out and outrightly reject the request for a debate as frivolous and could not be accomodated in this year's programme as parliament was rising (today by the way). That gave the opposition parties only a few days to run to court. Before judgment is given the ANC has announced that it is prepared to debate the motion in February next year, Basically Motshekga is still saying that the motion is frivolous but they are only going to debate it next year. Judge Dennis Davis can only say that the motion should have been debated yesterday or should be debated, but he cannot say that parliament should debate it today. That is a "programming issue" which parliament has to deal with. It cannot be that "programming issues" have to go to court. That would set a wrong precedent if the court rules in the Opposition's favour. Motsheka has outfoxed and outsmarted the DA because it is just not feasible to debate the matter today, as MPs have to prepare for it to have meaningful debate. February next year gives MPs enough time to consider the issues.

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It will be interesting to see what the court says abt the DA led charge. Question, if Zuma is that bad, can the Oppossition Parties have the space they occuppied. I am yet to see an oppossition leader being beaten up by security agents & roughly put inside a van.

This latest move by the oppossition makes a mockery of our Legislative Arm of Government & the Judicial Arm of Govt

Headline should read---"Political Parties outfox Electorate"

Until our political parties, all of them, realise we must put an end to this proportional representation and elect our political leaders directly, they will all continue playing games with us(the citizens) while they enjoy the power bestowed on them and all the friuts they can reap.
Having political leaders, elected by proxy.......is NOT working!

We must elect our politicians directly, so we can hold them directly accountable for the actions or inactions, their "promises" and their governance!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!!!!

The D.A. clutching at straws. They honestly think they can get ANC MPs to vote with them?
All they are doing is campaigning for Zuma and getting him a sympathy vote. I wasn't for the man. But these attacks on him,his family,his home and his person have won me over for him.
The ANC is delaying the debate because it truly is a waste of time.

'Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, great minds discuss ideas.' The journo could have shown more interest in other people's ideas, in couching his caption. In any case debating people or parties is more appealing to a country founded and sustained by racism, a nonentity. A mere mention of DA and ANC means 'clever' and 'stupid' in SA'n parlance. Even Zuma regards 'clever' as foreign to 'Blacks', so its understandable how any couching of a caption in terms of 'outfox' is enough to split any debate down the racial line. The same goes with the interpretation of the constitutionalism and tribalism, which should have informed the debate.

From a constitutional perspective, there would be no 'outfoxing' but the interest of the country would have reigned supreme. Instead of debating people's perceptions about their party elite's whims, we would be engaged in a healthy debate about whether the constitution is still a guide towards our freedom. Reading through comments, there is no intelligible debate as to the fact that it took an approach to courts to persuade a ruling party to remember the constitution. This is an encouraging development. But why would it be so? How many approaches to court can we expect before the people charged with ruling our lives, can come to their senses? Who has the stomach to stem this rot? What if the ruling elite overturn this in Mangaung, if the court agrees to the about-turn?

The debate about the 'judiciary interfering with the work of parliament' can come into place then, although partly. As of now, 'parliament' is regarded as the ANC, in which the DA should not say anything, let alone approaching the court in cases of a breach of its procedure. Such hegemony should not be allowed. The ANC will not be in power forever, and may be the one offended by numbers in future.

@Robrto1oMugabe99

Uncle Bob, what are you "crazing about"? You must really do your homework and stop obsessing about COPE. I have never been a member of COPE, and you should know that those who are opposed to Jacob Zuma's re-election now( Fikile Mbalula, Tokyo Sexwale, Kgalema Motlanthe, Bheki Cele, Cassel Mathale, Ronald Lamola, Paul Mashatile, Nceba Faku, Lebohang Maile and many others) are not members of COPE but of the ANC who have been let down big time by Jacob Zuma. The truth is that we cannot let Jacob Zuma continue damaging the ANC and the country. But that matter will be best dealt with by ANV delegates in Mangaung as long as Gwede Mantashe does not allow bogus delegates from Free State, KZN and Mpumalanga to get through. We cannot allow the ZuMantashe leadership and their supporters to continue projecting the ANC as the African National Crooks.

I am definitely not in favour of Zuma being removed as a result of a no confidence vote but it will not be difficult to get a two-thirds in parliament to remove Jacob Zuma. You only need 67 MPs to join with the Opposition, particularly through a secret ballot.However, I do not think it is smart move to kick Zuma out now. Let's leave that to ANC delegates in Mangaung, who will just serve the president with a two-year notice.

.....The ANC is as good as its members.......

If the ANC is plagued with rotten apples starting from Zuma downwards...

If these rotten apples remain and are stubborn to be ejected.......

If the followers do not see the crooks representing them and are so keen in defending the crooks, it is because they themselves are crooks if they are aware of the fact or are too dumb to admit the reality.......

If these crooks and dumb followers dupe or intimidate the ignorant, emotional and poor people.........

....then the whole ANC is full of crooks and rotten apples. They outfox any credible and reputable member this organization might have in its ranks..........

"""""Fikile Mbalula, Tokyo Sexwale, Kgalema Motlanthe, Bheki Cele, Cassel Mathale, Ronald Lamola, Paul Mashatile, Nceba Faku Lebohang Maile and many others""""

All of these names are associated with corruption and fraud, some more, some less.........

...........the sorrowful attempts of keeping a party of corrupt people in power instead of radically cleansing it eventually leads to the implosion of such party.........

@Robrt010Mugabe99

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@deebee
Posted 2 hours ago


shame on you , the whole world respect the anc, only right wingers of SA dont have respect for ANC , dont see the difference the anc has made in this country, coming back to your question.
1) Dr Zweli Mkhize
2) Dr Motsweledi
3) Cyril Ramaphosa
4) Dr Nksazana Zuma
5) Kgalema
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First, I'm not a rightwinger - disagreeing with the ANC and believing they're doing a lousy job doesn't automatically make you a racist. In fact, holding them to a high standard, based on the calibre of leaders that negotiated the end of apartheid, demands that I expect the ANC to deliver great services.

It would be racist of me to assume that black leaders can't deliver - it's self-loathing racism and the comfort of victimhood for (some) black people to blindly accept that this is the best it can be. It's not: it can be much, much better. Go to Botswana if you don't believe me; or Namibia; or any one of the many countries in Africa that have - thank God - emerged from their post-colonial victimhood and are today building better societies for all their citizens.

You will, secondly, have noted (although conveniently, flatly ignored) that I said current bigwigs - I didn't say that no ANC leaders have made a great or a positive contribution. But let's look at them:
Zweli Mkhize - since becoming premier of KZN the province has seen factional and political violence on the increase; Nkandlagate; rising poverty levels and concomitant lack of service delivery. Fail.
Aaron Motswaledi - great plans, speaks well, very passionate. Healthcare in the same shambles as when he took over. I personally like him (not that he or you would care and fair enough) but Gauteng's hospitals reel from crisis to crisis, as do those in the Eastern Cape and Limpopo. Fail (but with sympathy)
Cyril - is this Marikana Cyril? And what position does he hold in government? He's a large shareholder in the mines that are being blamed for oppressing the workers though.... Epic Fail.
Nkosozana Dlamini-Zuma: now with the AU, too early to tell if she'll do anything of note there. Also Mbeki's lapdog as Health Minister (before the dead drunk one) who whistled whilst Rome burned.
Kgalema Motlante - what has he done? Acting President for a while, scheming over Mangaung whilst South Africa is crippled by the infighting in the ANC. Can't fail because he refuses to write the exam.

I also note that you don't put forward Jacob Zuma, Siyabonga Cwele (trying to introduce apartheid-style gagging legislation), Angie Motshekga (school debacles), Blade Nzimande (higher education doesn't require literacy apparently), Lindiwe Sisulu (and her jet planes and arrogance), Thulas Nxesi (Public Works and the most corrupt department in SA - close to Sisulu's Defence before she was hoiked out of there), Rob Davies (utterly incompetent trade minister, he's tasked with growing an economy whilst despising the private sector he relies on for this), Mulisi Gigaba (Public Enterprises, most of which are falling apart despite the untold billions taxpayers are being fleeced for). There are many others I could cite who are best treading water, at worst are utterly useless. But all you can do is call me a racist - is that the kind of society you want for your children?

Please, just think about what I've written. I know there are many racist posters on these blogs (although not all of them white either) and I understand the frustrations of reading the usual "this is Africa, what did you expect?" rubbish. I am not one of those people. I spend every day working to encourage investment into Africa and telling the positive side of our wonderful continent. But I won't shy away from telling the ANC that they are currently the worst government this country has had since PW Botha and his scum tried to crush the soul of South Africa.